Role of Crypto/Cybercurrencies in the PTB's loss of control?

A Jay

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In this case, however, I think a lot of off-topic discussion could have been avoided if the initial reaction had been a gentle reminder to be mindful of this specific rule.

There are 3 instances where if people had been more aware of their reactions, checked it, and posted more consciously the off topic discussion would've been unnecessary or curtailed. First was Bjorn's post. Second was the initial response. Third was the responses to the initial response to the initial post. At any one of those points had the responses been more level headed the discussion would've been unnecessary because everyone would have been responding rather than reacting. At least the initial posts come across to me as being reactionary rather than measured and considerate. Regardless of how this started out it has turned into an opportunity for learning how to share what we're feeling about a post or a topic in a way that's more appropriate for this forum and it's AIM.

The tone was initially much more along the lines of being offended, which is a bit of a different thing than just saying "come on now, keep it clean, we have rules here."

I agree, the initial response was more reactive than necessary. But notice how then you seemed to get triggered by it the same as the person who got triggered by bjorn's post. Just something to keep in mind going forward. No matter how far we think we've come in mastering ourselves and our reactions it seems we always have more Work to do.

How is the word p**** a profanity? It seems to me that you are applying your own interpretations and assuming they are objective.

It becomes profane when used in a profane way. At the same time, it's not a word one would use around their grandmother, so it's not a word that should be used generally in polite society and certainly not here since we are aiming to hold ourselves to the highest standards. It doesn't mean you can't express strong negative emotions. Quite the contrary. However, surely we can be more creative than resorting to the use of slang profanity when it comes to expressing ourselves.
 

psychegram

The Living Force
I agree, the initial response was more reactive than necessary. But notice how then you seemed to get triggered by it the same as the person who got triggered by bjorn's post.

Indeed. And as I was writing the first response, there was a part of me observing, saying "is this really what you want to be doing right now?", and another (stronger) part saying, in effect, "Yes! I am angry! Hit that 'post reply' button!"

An opportunity for self-observation if there ever was one.

This also illustrates the destructive nature of vague speech codes on social interactions, as they foster reactive behavior all around, both on the part of those enforcing them (who are always on the lookout to catch speech criminals) and on the part of those resisting (who learn to interpret any admonishment as speech policing). "Vague" is the key word, there. Clearly defined speech codes - for instance, a ban on profanity, or on the discussion of certain topics, or pornography, or blaspheming - do not have this effect, as everyone knows exactly what the rules are, the rules are enforced on all, the rules aren't subject to arbitrary changes, and therefore don't engender resentment.
 

psychegram

The Living Force
it's not a word one would use around their grandmother
This is a very good definition of profanity. However, there are certain cultural issues here. For instance, in Sweden the English f-word is not thought to be particularly profane (being an import from a foreign language), and is used quite freely without any shame. At the same time, the expression 'vad fan' or 'what devil', which would be considered quite mild in English, will earn a child a slap from his mother. Since many forum members speak English as a second language, obviously this will be a factor.
surely we can be more creative than resorting to the use of slang profanity when it comes to expressing ourselves.
That's honestly the single best argument against the excessive use of crude language, as it tends to be a crutch. I'm reminded of a scene in the book Starship Troopers, where Private Rico marvels as Sergeant Zim chews out the new recruits at length and in great detail, pointing out their numerous physical, intellectual, and moral shortcomings, without once repeating the same expression or resorting to even mild profanity (profanity, he later learned, being reserved for truly exceptional circumstances).

Many languages, romance languages in particular, also have a rich array of creative curses. I've long felt this is one of the English language's most disappointing shortcomings.
 

mbww

Jedi
Mercury retrograde is almost over (has been going since about the last correction) and turns direct about tomorrow, which coincides with the Summer solstice also, so... a trend reversal may be in store. Just sayin', not trading advice. :-)

Also, pay attention to Ethereum as staking gains more and more attention, and July is a big month for ETH 2.0.
 

bjorn

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Also, pay attention to Ethereum as staking gains more and more attention, and July is a big month for ETH 2.0.

Yes, but BTC seems like the whole nervous system of crypto. All Alts follow the same trajecty. I mean look at the graphs, they are almost identical.

So I'm not sure if ETH 2.0 is going to have a major impact if BTC doesn't go up wiselike. If BTC doesn't go up confidence in the crypto market altogether seems low.

Maybe if BTC dominance falls under 30%. Alts will start following their own course?

I never included astrology. But I'm open to it.
 

axj

The Living Force
Mercury retrograde is almost over (has been going since about the last correction) and turns direct about tomorrow, which coincides with the Summer solstice also, so... a trend reversal may be in store. Just sayin', not trading advice. :-)

Also, pay attention to Ethereum as staking gains more and more attention, and July is a big month for ETH 2.0.

Bitcoin lows for the past several months coincided with the new moon and the expiration date of BTC futures contracts (last Friday of the month). Based on various psychic and other sources, the crypto group I am with is expecting the June low at around June 24th and possibly an even lower low around the middle of July. After that crypto prices should be going up until probably December.
 

BHelmet

The Living Force
Well after royally kicking a hornets nest and fulfilling my life mission as a lightning rod, I guess I better step back in here and explain myself. And before I begin to deconstruct this from my perspective, I want to say I don't see this as a diversion. I think reflects several key issues in our lack of collinearity that the C's referenced last session.

It's only an insult when directed at men, specifically because behaving like women is not appropriate for men. Yes, women of course have their own virtues, and demonstrate strength and courage in their own way ... but feminine strength is not masculine strength, and in my opinion we're experiencing a severe deficit of the former, which is to a large degree why we all find ourselves in the predicament we're in.
My point is not that it is an insult. In my experience, the phrase is used for coercion/abridgement of free will. "You should do what I say because if you don't, you will be diminished."

Now check this out:

"Don't be afraid. Don't be timid."

Said cleanly although still coming from a negative point of view (DONT) and coercive kinda STS-ish - telling someone what to do. The "space" of free choice is not really there.

or

"Don't be a coward. Don't be a chicken. Don't be a pussy."

Kind of the same point but with an added coercive element - IOW - A negative judgement of some kind placed along with the directive

"you should do what I say and if you don't, it means "x" about you"

ok...next:

"Stick to your guns. Have courage in your position. What goes down must come back up."

More positive - more free choice present.

"It is important to keep your emotions out of your trading plan if you want to be successful"

All ways to make the same point. With varying degrees of free will and negative judgement present.

To bring this back to the collinearity thing:

What's the vibration?

1. Don't be a pussy.
vs
2. It is important to keep your emotions out of your trading plan

a world of difference there, imo

One is more uplifting, and instructive, thoughtful. The other is more coercive and invites a negative reaction.
IMO
Long reply, tangential to the thread topic; however, I for one am entirely sick of language policing everywhere else in society, and firmly believe that "we can and should do better here on this forum."
I am not saying "don't tell people your opinion"
I am not policing anything.
I am not saying "don't say what you are saying"

I am saying, "please find a better way to say it" - "a way that is fitting for this forum and supportive of the desires that people have for real knowledge."

Some of the biggest areas of growth in my own personal journey have come from people calling me out : to up my game.

That is what I meant to be doing with my comments.

Lastly: the Catch 22 Syndrome

"Hey Psychegram, quit being such an overly sensitive PUSSY about this. Man up, dude!"

I hope you see the humor in that.

See how that just kinda doesn't really "work"?

Unless maybe this was a gym and we were playing a game?

The other personal inner side of it is this:

I saw the comment. I almost passed it by, discarding my reaction to it. But I thought, if I have this reaction, others might also. It seemed to cross a line. And, like Nienna, I never liked this phrase long before the PC police. I always put up with it. "Oh well". But at what point do we just get what we put up with? Do I have some duty to speak up for what I see? You could say "Oh you are just reacting" Yes there was some reaction there for me. But it was a choice to make a comment. If I was reacting I could have been more blunt.

Does that bring us to turning the other cheek?

You might complain.

But it could get so much worse.

I would like to take the high road.

I meant to deliver an exhortation. I didn't really do it well. Maybe I sounded snippy. I didn't want to carry on too long. I tried to be self deprecating by referencing myself as a "prissy snowflake". Which I thought was an obvious nod to the precarious pitfalls in saying anything at all.

To wrap it up, I am not sure how to articulate it, but I feel like this little side show does relate to the collinearity issue somehow.
 

BHelmet

The Living Force
So, if anything goes, and there are no standards, everything breaks down into chaos. That is the case for regulating crypto. As it is in any forum or social arena. Parallel universe.
 

bjorn

The Living Force
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China has given all their miners (65% of total output) an ultimatum to cease all operations on Friday. It's going to be a bloody week again. 20-25K range is a real possibility Just don't touch the market and let all the dust settle down. At least that's what I'm planning to do. (But I jumped in at 7K) So you should decide for yourself ofcourse.

The positive thing is. Hopefully, this will be the last time China can crash the market.
 

psychegram

The Living Force
China has given all their miners (65% of total output) an ultimatum to cease all operations on Friday. It's going to be a bloody week again. 20-25K range is a real possibility Just don't touch the market and let all the dust settle down. At least that's what I'm planning to do. (But I jumped in at 7K) So you should decide for yourself ofcourse.

The positive thing is. Hopefully, this will be the last time China can crash the market.

There's a good chance this is China pulling a FUD so they can buy up more BTC at a lower price.
 

bjorn

The Living Force
FOTCM Member
There's a good chance this is China pulling a FUD so they can buy up more BTC at a lower price.

If so, hopefully, it will be the last time. I'm just happy they are out of the game. How many times have they crashed the market now? I have literally lost count.

If they wanted their Chinese residents to have no role in crypto then they should have banned it from day 1. Millions of Chinese have now lost a lot of money.

Anyhow, I'm going to wait till Friday to see what happens and possibly buy a bit more Cardano. I'm curious whether Cardano can do a BNB in a year. (BNB stood at 17 last year, at its peak 2 weeks ago 530)
 
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