Pyramids in Bosnia?

loelie said:
Nobody ??.... :/ :-[
pourtant, ce sujet " pyramids in Bosnia" est très lu visiblement... :cry:
tant pis, je chercherai seul. :cool2:
Vous devriez tout de même regarder la géométrie à 366 degrés, géométrie des mégalithes.Découpez la terre en 366, vous seriez surpris de voir les villes où passe une latitude. Voir la théorie de Alan Butler.

Tchao, today, geobiology training... :D

English, if you please. :huh:
 
loelie said:
Nobody ??.... :/ :-[
pourtant, ce sujet " pyramids in Bosnia" est très lu visiblement... :cry:
tant pis, je chercherai seul. :cool2:
Vous devriez tout de même regarder la géométrie à 366 degrés, géométrie des mégalithes.Découpez la terre en 366, vous seriez surpris de voir les villes où passe une latitude. Voir la théorie de Alan Butler.

Tchao, today, geobiology training... :D

Start making sense and somebody will show an interest.
IMO if You are trying to make humorous comments they sure don't fly :zzz:
 
Hi folks,

found interesting web page related to Bosnian pyramids.

Quote:
Solid Construction

The results of core drilling, test-well sinking and limited trenching in August and October 2005, with a follow-up in 2006 and 2007, revealed that the surface of the pyramids is comprised of layered sandstone and breccia blocks, which have been manually processed and cut to fit the required dimensions. The binding agent found between the sandstone blocks suggests a “clastic breccia,” a multicolored conglomerate comprised out of gravel, sandstone and shale with a connective matrix or cement composed of sandy carbon particles of quartz, feldspar and flakes of mica.

The flat sides of the blocks, the contact zone, and the binding agent are clearly visible. Further detailed cleaning of the contact line between the two sandstone blocks revealed that the blocks were manually processed beneath and that the surface was flat and smooth, with binding agent applied afterwards to the surface.

Military Might

Combined radar analysis from RADARSAT and SPOT radar system suggest that there are apparent lineaments on the Bosnian Pyramid of the Sun and access plateau. These could indicate buried terraces, walls, or passageways, or entrances, cavities or chambers inside of the structure.

The existence of these artificial structures is also reinforced by numerous statements of the military personnel stationed on the Pyramid itself and subjected to heavy shelling. They have reported unusual ground vibrations, echoing and ground movement whenever the mound was hit by the artillery fire during the war operations in Bosnia 1992-95. This acoustic evidence suggests that cavities/chambers indeed exist within the structure.

During winter 2006/2007, two independent teams of georadar experts from Germany (LGA Bautechnick GMBH with Dr. Andreas Hasenstab as a team leader) and Serbia (Institute for Geophysics from Belgrade with Dr. Dejan Vuckovic as a head of the research), concluded that a total of 44 anomalies were found in the Bosnian Valley of the Pyramids, including terraces, steps, shaped stone structures, and passageways.

Three main pyramids in the Bosnian Pyramid Valley form an equilateral triangle. The Kadastral Office from the County of Visoko performed GPS measurements of the hilltops and determined that all angles are symmetric (60 degrees). Their measurements showed that the distances among all three hilltops are the same (approx. 2,2 km) with less than 2% error, verifying the artificial structures.

......The Bosnian Pyramid of the Sun is completely covered by soil and vegetation, but excavations unearthed stone slabs, evidently man-made, underneath. Samples of the stone blocks were analyzed in three domestic Bosnian scientific institutions. The presence of calcium carbonate and magnesium carbonate in the material suggests they were made from an ancient synthetic material – the first concrete! Moderately baked clay, combined with water, made an effective binding substance, which was also the basis for ancient Roman cement.
.......Going Underground

Examples of the main pyramidal complexes worldwide show that underground passageways and chambers have often been built within the pyramids. Pyramids in Giza , Teotihuacan , Step pyramid in Saqqara , China , and Tenerife all have underground tunnels, and findings suggest that an extensive tunnel network also exists in the Bosnian Valley of the Pyramids. It is hypothesized that the tunnel system connects all of the colossal objects, water wells and other structures of importance. Hundreds of meters of tunnels have been secured by wooden support, and the current excavations have already revealed several shaped monoliths in the tunnels. The tunnels were definitively not the mining shafts as no tools, coal, silver, gold or any other worthy material were found and they appear much older than Middle Age or Roman times.
End Quote

More on: http://heritage-key.com/world/bosnian-valley-pyramids

But I found as well some pretty interesting web page related to the sceptic wiev on the same topic.

Quote: Deep inside Bosnia, in a small village called Visoko, just 15 miles northwest of Sarajevo, stands the world's largest and oldest ancient pyramid.

Or so it would appear, anyway. Ancient pyramids are not completely unknown in Europe. The remains of a small pyramid stand in France, two are found in Greece, and one in Italy. These aren't much larger than a house and certainly nothing like the massive structures in Egypt and Latin America. Thus, claims that a giant pyramid to dwarf them all stands in broad daylight in Bosnia are sure to raise eyebrows. End Quote

More on: http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4140

The Wiki page related to the same pyramids, explained Visočica hill as:" The term Bosnian pyramids has been used for a cluster of natural geological formations sometimes known as flatirons." Here are wiki examples of flairons: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flatirons and the stone "flatirons" from Bosnia: http://www.piramidasunca.ba/en/index.php/STONE-BLOCKS-FROM-THE-BOSNIAN-PYRAMIDS-ANALIZED-RESULT-ANCIENT-CONCRETE.html

National Geografic stated: Bosnia "Pyramid" Is Not Human-Made, U.K. Expert Says, more on: http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2006/06/060613-pyramid.html

On other hand there is whole story going on arround the cement like material found on the Visoko plateau ans Visočica hill.

Quote:

The AP story also recycles the opinions of one Aly Abd Alla Barakat, said to be a geologist from the Egyptian Mineral Resource Authority and familiar with his country's pyramids. His assessment: "My opinion is that this is a type of pyramid, probably a primitive pyramid." So, the "supercivilization" was apparently only able to come up with a "primitive pyramid." It's worth looking a bit closer at Barakat's conclusions, or at least the statements made by him. I haven't seen anything that resembles an official report, though according to a June 12 Agence France-Presse story "Barakat said that he had sent a report on the site to one of the world's leading Egyptologists, Zahi Hawass, who had recommended him to the foundation leading the excavation work." (I have not been able to confirm the claim he was recommended by Hawass.) In a Reuters report back on May 17, Barakat is said to have identified "sand layers" between the stones unearthed at Visoko as being "the same type of artificial cement used in ancient Egyptian pyramids." The AFP story quotes him as saying, "The white stuff I found between the blocks could be a glue. It is very similar to that we have found in the Giza pyramids." Glue? We seem to be operating in the fog of translation here, but surely a geologist familiar with the pyramids at Giza would know that the ancient Egyptians used gypsum mortar, sometimes gobs of it, to fill in between stone blocks. End Quote

More on: http://www.archaeology.org/online/features/osmanagic/update.html

But chief of the same Aly Alla Barakat, Dr. Zahi Hawass, secretary general of Egypt's Supreme Council of Antiquities said this: "Mr. Barakat, the Egyptian geologist working with Mr. Osmanagic, knows nothing about Egyptian pyramids. He was not sent by the SCA, and we do not support or concur with his statements." The supposed pyramid, Dr. Hawass says, is "evidently a natural geologic formation" and that "Apart from its general outline, this hill bears absolutely no resemblance to the Egyptian pyramids." He concludes that, "Mr. Osmanic's theories are purely hallucinations on his part, with no scientific backing."

Well, I might be wrong but, lot of things is going on around of Bosnian Pyramids or Visoko region, if there is no pyramids at all, why so many Controversy press realeases. On other hand, knowing this is STS world, if there is something interesting to be found in Visoko, we could expect this kind of scenario.
Last but not the least, even if the formations in Visoko are nature like, we still have enough data to analyze, satelite thermal images, PIP energy recordings, maze like neolithic caves and tunnels under the Visoko, combination of Subtropical Mediterranean climate that simply not suppose to be present in that part of Bosnia but here it is in Viskoko (BTW Visoko means HIgh, the real climate should be sub Alpine). So it is still a puzzle, I hope future will reveal more :cool2:.
 
Hello to everybody!

I received very good information. There will be few conferences in Germany about pyramids. Four pyramid researchers will lecture lastest informations about pyramids from the world.

I cant go there, but maybe somebody can. This will be excellent opportunity to hear what is new about pyramids.

Here is poster about conferences in Germany
http://www.flickr.com/photos/54134280@N07/5266332887/

and here is a link about conferences
_www.wwsag.com

Have a nice day!

Light worker
 
light worker said:
Hello to everybody!

I received very good information. There will be few conferences in Germany about pyramids. Four pyramid researchers will lecture lastest informations about pyramids from the world.

I cant go there, but maybe somebody can. This will be excellent opportunity to hear what is new about pyramids.

Here is poster about conferences in Germany
http://www.flickr.com/photos/54134280@N07/5266332887/

and here is a link about conferences
_www.wwsag.com

Have a nice day!

Light worker

thank you light worker :)
I would love to go to the conference in Stuttgart.
maybe I'll do so, someone else who would go to the conference in Stuttgart?
 
dannybananny said:
Here is the latest interview with Osmanagic about Bosnian pyramids in the show On the edge of science, it is translated to English.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8E3xbDrH0H4

Yes, thanks! I've watched it this morning and there is a lot of good info and very interesting news: they've discovered an energy flow only present in the top of the pyramids, for example. It's also interesting to know about the many experts that have validated the discovery.
 
Re: Pyramids in Bosnia

Thanks dannybananny, this is the most interesting interview that I have seen in a long time!

This Osmanagić researcher is a very solid person. He emphasized that this research will always be open to the public, even though many egyptologist "experts" denied the finding and claimed that it is just a pile of rocks. Authroities in the field even asked for a stop of the excavations and threatened archeologists that they would lose any job in Europe if they would not boycott the discoveries. Very telling!

Just a few points that he mentioned in the interview:

- The largest bosnian pyramid is 220 meters tall, the Great Pyramid only about 160 meters. This makes it the largest pyramid on earth.
- The finding has become a political quesiton: There were studies on the effect of the discorvery of the Bosnian pyramids on egyption tourism (15.5 Billion Dollars a year)
- Underground tunnels span tens of kilometers with extreme intensity of negative air ions
- Huge spheres of stone that were also found at the pyramids in peru
- They found at least one chamber with 50 square meters and 4m height
- The pyramid complex was modified by at least 4 cultures since their original building by a megalithic culture (they found rune scripts, etc.)
- Dating of wood splitters inside of "conglomerat" (layers on the rocks) hints to over 32000 years age
- Intense Electromagnetic radiation is nowhere present except in an diameter of 4 meters at the very top of the pyramid. The main frequency is 28kHz, which amplitude grows with growing vertical distance from the top of the pyramid.
- All of this is confirmed by mainstream engineering institutes in Europe, measured by mainstream devices

Osmanagić has it right when he says: "And we should become aware that we are not the most intelligent, advanced and beautiful to ever walk the planet"

Here is an interesting English radio interview with Osmanagić with more pictures:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWOY6kGmZfU&feature=related

Just amazing!
 
Bosnian Pyramids on SOTT: http://www.sott.net/articles/show/221810-Bosnia-Convincing-Evidence-for-largest-Pyramid-on-Earth
 
Bosnian Valley of the Pyramids TUNNEL RAVNE 3D: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kptOBPIyTMY
 
Pashalis said:
Bosnian Valley of the Pyramids TUNNEL RAVNE 3D: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kptOBPIyTMY
That was interesting, thanks. I would love to know, accurately, to when these pyramids date.
 
anart said:
Pashalis said:
Bosnian Valley of the Pyramids TUNNEL RAVNE 3D: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kptOBPIyTMY
That was interesting, thanks. I would love to know, accurately, to when these pyramids date.

from http://www.piramidasunca.ba/en/index.php/THE-SIGNIFICANCE-OF-THE-BOSNIAN-PYRAMID-DISCOVERY.html

5.The pyramids are covered by soil which is, according to the state Institute for Agro-pedology, over 12,000 years old. This finding confirms the Bosnian pyramids are the oldest pyramids on the planet.

so at least 12,000 years old.
 
Pashalis said:
anart said:
Pashalis said:
Bosnian Valley of the Pyramids TUNNEL RAVNE 3D: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kptOBPIyTMY
That was interesting, thanks. I would love to know, accurately, to when these pyramids date.

from http://www.piramidasunca.ba/en/index.php/THE-SIGNIFICANCE-OF-THE-BOSNIAN-PYRAMID-DISCOVERY.html

5.The pyramids are covered by soil which is, according to the state Institute for Agro-pedology, over 12,000 years old. This finding confirms the Bosnian pyramids are the oldest pyramids on the planet.

so at least 12,000 years old.

Yep, in the interview here, Semir Osmanagic says they've identified several cultures that were involved. If I remember correctly, the first group used the naturally occurring tunnel system, 40,000+ years ago (determined by carbon dating wood found under a certain layer), and the people made the ceramic objects found there. Then a lot of rocky material was deposited in them from floods, and the tunnels were dug out thousands of years later and the materials were then used to make the concrete blocks which compose the pyramid (pre-12,000 years ago, based on the soil deposits). They've also found traces of use at around 4000 years ago (or BC, can't remember) of the people who sealed the tunnels.
 
Approaching Infinity said:
Pashalis said:
anart said:
Pashalis said:
Bosnian Valley of the Pyramids TUNNEL RAVNE 3D: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kptOBPIyTMY
That was interesting, thanks. I would love to know, accurately, to when these pyramids date.
from http://www.piramidasunca.ba/en/index.php/THE-SIGNIFICANCE-OF-THE-BOSNIAN-PYRAMID-DISCOVERY.html
5.The pyramids are covered by soil which is, according to the state Institute for Agro-pedology, over 12,000 years old. This finding confirms the Bosnian pyramids are the oldest pyramids on the planet.
so at least 12,000 years old.

Yep, in the interview here, Semir Osmanagic says they've identified several cultures that were involved. If I remember correctly, the first group used the naturally occurring tunnel system, 40,000+ years ago (determined by carbon dating wood found under a certain layer), and the people made the ceramic objects found there. Then a lot of rocky material was deposited in them from floods, and the tunnels were dug out thousands of years later and the materials were then used to make the concrete blocks which compose the pyramid (pre-12,000 years ago, based on the soil deposits). They've also found traces of use at around 4000 years ago (or BC, can't remember) of the people who sealed the tunnels.

On their official website they say the following about age of Ravne maze:

Sasa said:
Regarding pyramidal structure in Visoko, on their web pages you can find results of radiocarbon dating of several samples from Ravne tunnels from several different European laboratories, and it says that there were following cultures associated with tunnels:

_http://www.piramidasunca.ba/ba/index.php/201001262641/sest-radiokarbonskih-analiza-odredilo-starost-podzemnog-labirinta-ravne-u-visokom.html said:
•(1) Najstarija, paleolitska kultura koja je prenosila megalitne blokove i postavljala ih iznad podzemnih vodenih tokova, starija od 30.000 godina;

•(2) Graditelji piramida i tunelskog kompleksa, ujedno i najrazvijenija kultura, starija od 5.000 godina, a znatno mlađa od 30.000 godina;

•(3) Kultura koja je zatvarala tunelske prolaze, sposobna da prenosi velike količine materijala, mlađa od 5.000 godina;

•(4) Povremeni neolitski korisnici ulaznog dijela tunelskog kompleksa, u periodu 3.000-4.600 daleko u prošlost

Translation:
•(1) Oldest, paleolithic culture which moved megalithic blocks and put them above underground water flows, older than 30.000 years;

•(2) Builders of pyramids and tunnel complex, at the same time most advanced culture, older than 5.000 years, and significantly younger than 30.000 years;

•(3) Culture that blocked tunnel passages, capable [culture] of moving large amounts of material, younger than 5.000 years;

•(4) Occasional neolithic users of entrance part of tunnel complex, in period of 3.000 - 4.600 before our time.


Pictures of latest section of Ravne maze where you can clearly see the duct in clay bed (when discovered, in the direction of Pyramid of the Sun, these sections were mostly under water) http://www.piramidasunca.ba/ba/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3220&Itemid=26

Pyramidal artifact found in the vicinity of Pyramid of the Sun (1st picture; copied from FB group Bosnian Valley of Pyramids).

I recently became particularly interested in EM phenomena there, especially

Data said:
- Intense Electromagnetic radiation is nowhere present except in an diameter of 4 meters at the very top of the pyramid. The main frequency is 28kHz, which amplitude grows with growing vertical distance from the top of the pyramid.

So I contacted Osmanagich and through him made contacts with people who already did some measurements there.

One of them measured ultrasound (with analog instrument) and here is his report in English http://www.sbresearchgroup.eu/WerecordedthevoiceofthePyramidoftheSun.htm where you can find (and download if you want to play with them :)) the audio files of his measurement. I think this report could qualify for a sott article aswell. ;)

The other one is a physicist from Croatia who already had trouble because his name got associated with pyramids in Bosnia, specifically my Institute dissolved the contract with him (he said that contract was for giving lectures on Institute) because his name appeared in a report on official Bosnian Valley of Pyramids website.

He haven't made scientific reports so far, there are only Osmanagich's reports about these measurements and unfortunately they're only in Bosnian
_http://www.piramidasunca.ba/ba/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2746&Itemid=61
_http://www.piramidasunca.ba/ba/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2963&Itemid=61

Short summary:
In April 2010, with the use of analog instrument (not so precise) he found EM beam of 4-5 m radius and 28 kHz frequency at the apex of the Pyramid of the Sun and nowhere else in the vicinity.
He returned in August 2010 with lot of digital equipment for more precision measurements. Frequency was measured to be ~26 kHz, with additional peaks (below and above the main frequency) separated by 4 kHz (see 2nd picture).

Like Data pointed out, most interesting thing was the intensity of EM beam: at ground it was 30 mV and 3 m above ground it was 40 mV!!! Possible contradiction with known physics which states that radiation drops with distance squared (~1/r2)... Or the source of the beam is above the pyramid!? :huh:
 

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