Living without food

tendrini said:
This is a subject that I find very interesting, and I'd like to share a reference from Andrew Weil's book "Eating Well for Optimum Health". He mentions "bigu", a qigong practise that means "absention from food", supposedly popularized by Yan Xin , a modern qigong master.

One spokeswoman, Jun Wang, Ph.D., a thirty-four-year-old electrical engineer who works as a software developer for a computer company in New Jersey, has been in the abstaining-from-food state for eight years. She told me:

''I went to one of Yan Xin's lectures when I was a graduate student at the University of Connecticut. Of course, I had heard about qigong growing up in China. Yan Xin talked a lot about qigong theory and the experiments being done to test it, and he also emitted qi during his lecture. I had no reaction, but I saw a log of reactions in others, including spontaneous healing of health problems. It was amazing. He mentioned bigu, and I have since learned the technique. I have been told not to reveal it, but I can say it involves adjusting the mind and thoughts expecially cultivating the virtue principle and is a twenty-four-hour-a-day practice.

I joined the University of Connecticut chapter of the Yan Xin Qigong Society and began to practice. The early stages of the work are relatively simple, the advanced stages relatively difficult. I stopped eating regular food; I didn't feel hungry. Instead I drank water, tea, or juice, and I've continued that way every since. I feel perfect, have much energy, and no health problems.

Shortly after starting the bigu state I went to a conference where my colleagues wanted to go out to dinner every night. I sat with them at meals for a whole week but just took water.

I believe about a thousand people have had similar experiences. Some go in and out out the state. I believe I still get energy from some source. The practice has helped me receive and preserve energy, and, I think, develop a new source of energy in my body.''


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Hi Tendrini,‎

It is really interesting. Let’s see what we have here :‎

‎“but I can say it involves adjusting the mind and thoughts especially cultivating the virtue ‎principle . . . “‎

Unfortunately we don’t know such lessons/techniques but what if . . . ‎ ;)
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Good luck
King
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Hi Shane, Bud, Anart, Iron, Truth seeker, Gonzo ‎

In simple words :‎

‎1 - There is a question . . . I answered, giving my proofs/reasons as far as I knew, whether ‎right or wrong. ‎

‎2 - But Instead you didn’t even try to reject (first) the main Q by any proofs and then ‎‎(second) to reject my proofs for the main Q by any proofs. ‎

I believe, generally, talking and playing with words is easy but proving/reasoning is not. I ‎believe such discussion is going “nowhere”. And to respect the Forum and . . . much better for ‎your satisfaction, I prefer to say I am a simple student knowing nothing. Tomorrows will come ‎soon showing us the nature of such questions.‎

Best
King
 
King said:
Hi Shane, Bud, Anart, Iron, Truth seeker, Gonzo ‎

In simple words :‎

‎1 - There is a question . . . I answered, giving my proofs/reasons as far as I knew, whether ‎right or wrong. ‎

‎2 - But Instead you didn’t even try to reject (first) the main Q by any proofs and then ‎‎(second) to reject my proofs for the main Q by any proofs. ‎

I believe, generally, talking and playing with words is easy but proving/reasoning is not. I ‎believe such discussion is going “nowhere”. And to respect the Forum and . . . much better for ‎your satisfaction, I prefer to say I am a simple student knowing nothing. Tomorrows will come ‎soon showing us the nature of such questions.‎

Best
King

Hi King. As you are relatively new here, are you aware that this is not a debate forum?

In case it's not perfectly clear, allow me to say that those of us in the Work are doing our best to learn basic psychology, psychopathology, dealing with petty tyrants, learning to stand on our own two feet, struggling to transmute negativity, create a magnetic center, fuse a singular I, deal with programs, understand and change our behaviors and thinking patterns and to understand and detox the body.

There is so much toxicity in the food that we already consume and it has it's effects on everything from unwanted physical conditions to mental brain chemistry imbalances. In addition, the 'house' is burning, people are walking around inside it like zombies and if we can't help ourselves to improve our own condition, then we are worthless to act on STO principles in order to help other people to safety.

So, it's bad enough that almost every idea we were previously allowing in our heads and putting into our bodies was/is toxic, (and it's a slow, sometimes painful path to change), someone wants to discuss alternative ways of nutritional absorption - as if it is important and relevant, at this time, to the Work that is underway.

If that is something that someone wants to occupy their time with, that is fine with me, but I don't think it would be appreciated by those who might be on the verge of awakening, to see the terror of the situation they are in, become desperate for help, look around only to see that the very people who might be able to help are doing experiments on absorbing food by 'vibes', or whatever.

If I am off a bit here, someone will chime in to correct me, and that will be fine with me.

Hope that is a bit more helpful in understanding 'distraction' in this context. :)
 
Hi there king.
You only answered with enthusiasm tendrini, who posted a excerpt which "agreed" with your current belief.
To the others, you are trying to shut down communication, just because people are challenging your belief.

To discuss a subject, a necessary step is to challenge it, its very existence.
To do so, you cant be emotionally invested in defending such subject. Otherwise, instead of exploring its possibilites, you just "try to defend your castle".
 
The reason this is a distraction is because there is so little time left that all energy must be focused on that which brings about the greatest in soul development and STO alignment. There are many areas of soul development that are really interesting, fascinating even, but they are not on the short list of things needed to be done in so little time.

If I had another forty years ahead of me before a transdimensional wave and cometary bombardment hits the earth, I might be inclined to spend some time on this subject, but as it stands right now, things are just a little too urgent for it right now. Instead, I will chose to direct energy in the most efficient and effective way possible.

You, of course can chose to focus your energy wherever and however you like, but I feel you are wasting valuable time and energy in this pursuit. This is why I have called it a distraction.

I think a better use of your energy would be to try to understand the forces inside yourself that are currently being provoked by this discussion and meditate on their origins.

Gonzo
 
Iron said:
Hi there king.
You only answered with enthusiasm tendrini, who posted a excerpt which "agreed" with your current belief.
To the others, you are trying to shut down communication, just because people are challenging your belief.

To discuss a subject, a necessary step is to challenge it, its very existence.
To do so, you cant be emotionally invested in defending such subject. Otherwise, instead of exploring its possibilites, you just "try to defend your castle".

Well put, Iron, and an accurate observation by my estimation.
 
Hi Bud,

I totally agree, goggling BIGU I came upon a very interesting article/account of a practitioner where a very balanced view of the whole isuue is offered imo.

GRanted, this is not the ultimate goal to be pursued, nor even a goal, but as long as it can be of benefit for someone in his or her work then I think it is worth to know a bit more about it, or to hear the C's take on it.

If one is willing to accept fasting as a tool for cleansing the body and mind, the ability to reduce the food intake in favour of other more subtle ways of energy intake surely fits inside the big picture.

Let me add that I take for granted that this is no easy feat, and that tendrini example for instance has probaly had to go to great lengths and slow progress towards that stage. I never considered "living without food" a shortcut of any kind, that would be delusional at best.

In the article here, it is said that the teacher views is that bigu is no goal in itself, rather a signpost or symptom and that the practice qigong is too far reaching as to occupy oneself with the byproducts of it, being bigu one of them byproducts. (loosely rephrased)

_http://www.healingtaousa.com/bigu.html

Thanks

R
 
Hmmm - at this point I'm not sure whether to pursue this topic or not, but another thread (which I've lost track of) provided this link:

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2009/01/08/feasting-on-sunshine.aspx said:

Feasting on Sunshine


by Dr. Mercola

Have you ever wished you didn’t have to bother with eating or preparing food at all? When you stop to consider how many hours you spend thinking about food, planning meals, shopping for fresh produce, preparing and cooking meals, and eating, I would imagine nearly everyone has had this fantasy at least once.

Astonishing as this may seem, one Indian man is doing exactly this: converting the sun’s energy into nourishment, and he believes you can do it too.

Before you read this please understand that I am not advocating gazing into the sun directly but merely reporting on a phenomena that is already occurring. Also it is important to avoid scanning this article. If you scan the material you will think it is ok to gaze at the sun anytime and this is not only inaccurate, but quite dangerous.

Sun gazing is done around dawn or sunset. If you perform it at other hours you can cause serious damage to your retina.


The Practice of Sun Gazing


Sun gazing--also known as solar healing, solargazing, sun staring, Sun Yoga, Surya Yoga and Solar Yoga. All terms refer to the practice of staring directly at the sun in order to receive nourishment, healing and spiritual enlightenment. The gazing is done only during the first hour after sunrise or the last hour before sunset, when the sun’s rays are most gentle to your eye.

Hira Ratan Manek was born in 1937 in Bodhavad, India, and was raised in Calicut, Kerala, India, where he earned his degree in Mechanical Engineering from the University of Kerala. After graduating, he joined his family’s spice trade business before retiring from that in 1992 to pursue a life-long interest in sun gazing.

Manek states that we have a super computer in our bodies, given to us by nature -- our brain -- which he calls the “brainuter.” He says that sun gazing activates the full potential of your brain, bringing forth “infinite inherent powers” that have remained dormant for millennia.

In order to activate these dormant brain powers, Manek suggests:

Being a holistic entity it needs a holistic power supply. Sun energy is the source that powers the brain, which can enter and leave the human body or the brain only through one organ that is the human eye. Eyes are the Sun Energy’s entry door to the human brain.

Converting solar energy to physical nourishment is not a new phenomenon but the rediscovery of an age-old healing ritual. Sun gazing originated in India more than 2,000 years ago with the teaching of Lord Mahavir of Jain, also known as Mahavira or Vardhamana. Lord Mahavir established Jainism, one of the oldest religions originating on the Indian subcontinent. Jains believe that every soul is divine and has the potential to achieve God-consciousness.

Sun gazing was also practiced by ancient Egyptians, Aztecs, Greeks, Mayans, in Tibetan Yoga and some traditions of Qigong, Tai Chi, and by some Native American tribes.


Hira Ratan Manek


Hira Ratan Manek who prefers the simple nickname HRM, states that the sun can be used to heal the mind, body and spirit. As a result of sun gazing, he claims to have better physical, mental, emotional and spiritual health.

Perhaps the most startling claim HRM makes is that, since he became a devoted sun gazer, he has been able to sustain himself on solar energy alone for very long periods, without eating any food. Somewhere along the line, this became known as the “HRM phenomenon.”[iii]

He claims he has been living on sun energy and water alone since June 18, 1995, with only occasional tea, coffee and buttermilk for “hospitality and social purposes.” He has also undergone three strict long-term fastings, during which he was under the control and observation of various scientific and medical teams.

The first fast lasted 211 days in 1995-96, in Calicut, India, and was directed by Dr. C.K. Ramachandran, a medical expert on allopathic and ayurvedic medicine. This was followed by a second fast lasting 411 days in Ahmedabad, India, directed by an international team of 21 doctors and scientists, led by Dr. Sudhir Shah.

The third observed fasting was in the United States, where he was observed by a team at Thomas Jefferson University and the University of Philadelphia for 130 days. The specific focus of this observation was his retina, pineal gland and brain, and the team was led by Dr. Andrew B. Newberg, and Dr. George C. Brainard, a leading authority on the pineal gland.

Their findings were unexpected.

HRM claims they discovered his brain’s gray cells were regenerating and that his pineal gland was expanding, rather than the shrinking that is typical after the mid-fifties.

Since 2002, Manek has given hundreds of lectures all over the world and has been the subject of many articles, interviews, and even a film. In 2002, he established the Solar Healing Center, with headquarters in Orlando, Florida. There are now Solar Healing Centers all over the world, as well as over thousands of enthusiastic sun gazing followers.

The Sun Gazing Process


HRM has developed a method for sun gazing, based on years of study, and trial and error. He states it can be accomplished by anyone, in any part of the world, at any time of the year. Sun gazing is a one-time practice that takes 9 months to complete. It is generally broken into three phases:

1. First 3 months

2. 3-6 months

3. 6-9 months

After the 9 months, there is a life-long regimen of “bare foot walking” on earth soil for 45 minutes a day, and the more you stick to this regimen, the more your body will be “recharged.” More about this later.

First Three Months


Manek instructs sun gazers to begin their sun gazing journey by spending a maximum of 10 seconds on the first day looking directly into the sun during the safe hours, which are defined as within one hour after sunrise or within one hour of sunset. While sun gazing, it is important if possible to stand on warm, bare earth. This helps to ground you and enhances the sun gazing benefits.

On the second day, look for 20 seconds. Add 10 additional seconds every day thereafter. So, after 10 days, you will be looking at the sun for 100 seconds (e.g., one minute and 40 seconds).

In this first phase, it is common for people to begin experiencing a more positive mindset, less negativity, more confidence, more compassion, and less fear.

Three to Six Months

At the end of three months, your gazing time will be about 15 minutes. This is the period during which many people begin to find their physical diseases subsiding.

HRM also states that 70-80 percent of the energy synthesized from food is used by your brain to “fuel tensions and worries”, and after three months, these tensions go away, leaving this newly freed energy available for more productive use. You might also find your need for food decreasing.

When you reach 30 minutes duration, he states you will be “slowly liberated from physical disease” since, by then, your organs are all receiving their needed Prana, or life energy, directly from the sun.

Your body needs energy, not necessarily food. Food is actually our “secondary energy source,” according to HRM. The human body does not convert sunlight into energy in the same way plants do, with chlorophyll, but through a different photosynthesis process, like a photovoltaic cell.

HRM states:

“You are your own master at the end of 6 months.”

Six to Nine Months

After 6 months, you will start to utilize the original form of “micro food,” which comes from the sun. This has the additional benefit of having no toxic waste attached to it.

At around 7.5 months, or 35 minutes per day of sun gazing, you can expect your hunger to start decreasing appreciably. Hunger results from the energy requirements of your body, which is a must for your existence. Conventionally, you are getting the sun energy indirectly by eating foods that are a by-product of sun energy. Now, you are getting the energy directly.

Between 8 and 9 months (44 minutes), HRM says you can expect your hunger to be pretty much gone. If it isn’t, he says it is because you don’t have enough belief in the process, and it will take you a little longer, but it is still achievable.

More importantly, at this stage, your energy levels are very high and you will have a very deep sense of well-being.

After Nine Months


After nine months, you should discontinue solar gazing for the sake of eye care--your eyes have reached the limits of what they can safely take. However, your body will eventually become “discharged,” kind of like a battery, and must be recharged.

Recharging is accomplished by walking bare-foot, on bare earth, preferably in the sun, since the bare earth contains a great deal of sun energy.

This works, HRM explains, because the act of walking stimulates your pineal gland. As is described in reflexology your foot is a microcosm of your entire body, and your big toe is connected with your pineal gland. The other toes are connected to the other major glands of your body. More information about the pineal gland will be presented in a following section.

The recommended walking schedule is, walk for 6 consecutive days once you have completed your nine months of sun gazing, for 45 minutes per day. Just walk at a relaxed pace--no need to walk briskly or jog.

Then, walk regularly (he doesn’t give a minimum or maximum) for a year, always for 45 minutes. After a year of “recharging,” if you are satisfied with how you feel, you can discontinue bare foot walking. But if you want to strengthen your immune system, memory, intelligence, etc., then continue the walking.

He also mentions that many other mental and spiritual benefits are possible during this time, such as new psychic abilities, a built-in “navigational” system, and higher levels of brain activity. He states:

“Almost all problems get solved.”

For more detailed instructions, please refer to his website.

The Pineal Gland

The pineal gland (also called the pineal body, epiphysis cerebri, or epiphysis) is a small endocrine gland in your brain, about the size of a pea. It produces melatonin, a hormone that influences your wake/sleep patterns and photoperiodic (seasonal) functions. It is shaped like a tiny pine cone (hence its name), and is located near the center of your brain, tucked into a groove between the two hemispheres.

The pineal gland was the last gland to have its function discovered. Its long status as the “mystery gland” caused it to be shrouded in myth, superstition and the object of numerous metaphysical theories about its function.

The pineal gland is associated with the sixth chakra, also called Ajna or the “third eye” in yoga, and is considered to be the seat of “inner wisdom.” It is believed by many to be a dormant organ that, when activated, awakens psychic abilities. Some consider it to be where consciousness resides in your body. Rene Descartes devoted a great deal of his life to its study and called the gland “the seat of the soul.”

Interestingly, the gland is activated by light. Light reaches it by passing into your eyes, then along a pathway from your retina to your hypothalamus called the retinohypothalamic tract, then along nerve pathways to your pineal gland.

Light impulses inhibit the production of melatonin, and at night when it is dark, pineal inhibition ceases, and melatonin is released. Therefore, the pineal gland is an important timekeeper for your body. Melatonin is also produced during visualization and relaxation.

How is the pineal gland associated with sun gazing?

According to Dr. Sudhir Shah:

The hypothalamus is the commander of autonomic nervous system, and the pineal gland is in proximity to the autonomic nervous system, so it is logical that new energy transportation may either activate this system or it may use this system as vehicle.

HRM believes that the light energy you take in while sun gazing activates your dormant pineal gland, which then turns your “brainuter” on. It is this activation that causes you to experience the magical conversion of sun energy into nutrition, healing of disease, heightened energy, increased psychic abilities and, ultimately, enlightenment.

Looking at Sun Gazing With a Skeptical Eye

Is sun gazing really safe?

Sun gazing is highly controversial due to the considerable evidence which states that looking directly at the sun can be damaging to your eyes. Solar retinopathy is a form of damage to the retina from solar radiation, usually seen in those who look directly at the sun during a solar eclipse. Although vision loss due to the sun is generally reversible, permanent damage and loss of vision have been reported.

But how much of a danger is sun gazing, if practiced within the established safety guidelines?

Most eye care professionals will advise you against looking directly at the sun, during solar eclipses and otherwise. However, there seems to be a multitude of sun gazers out there who are carefully following “safe” sun gazing guidelines, without any real horror stories about visual damage or blindness.

So, who is right?

Since so many people appear to be successfully engaged in this practice and are reporting benefits, perhaps there is some validity to sun gazing, provided it is done with an appropriate measure of caution in order to minimize the risk to your eyes.

Astronomer Andrew T. Young wrote an article about the history of solar retinal injuries, exploring fact versus folktale. He states there is ample evidence in the literature that the normal human eye is able to look briefly at the sun without harm. He uses the statistical distribution of solar injuries as evidence for the safety of sun gazing:

…The near-total eclipses at which eye injury occasionally occurs are visible only a few minutes per century at any given location on Earth; the unobscured Sun is available for viewing every clear day. If we suppose the Sun is up (on the average) for 12 hours a day, that's about 440,000 hours or over 26 million minutes per century that the Sun is up outside of eclipse, compared to a few minutes of dangerous time near totality.

So you'd expect eye injuries from unprotected Sun-viewing to be roughly a million times more common than injuries during eclipses.

However, what we find is that the vast majority of solar retinal injuries occur as a result of viewing a solar eclipse without adequate protection because the pupil is opened up, allowing very high levels of UV to penetrate in a short time.

There are impressively few reports of any such injuries from non-eclipse sun gazing. And even eclipse-viewing injuries are relatively uncommon.

Dr. Young’s conclusion…

The potential for serious eye damage from sun gazing at sunrise or sunset is small; about the only way you could seriously damage yourself would be to stare at the full sun at high noon while your pupils were dilated by some kind of drug. (Quite a variety of nasal decongestants and other common drugs, as well as exposure to some pesticides, have been reported to dilate the pupils.)

Vinny Pinto of the Raw Paleolithic Diet website, who has done a tremendous amount of research in the area of sun gazing and is a sun gazer himself, writes:

There is definitely some potential danger to staring at the sun for any significant length of time anytime after a couple of hours after sunrise or a couple of hours before sunset, and particularly at high noon and during early afternoon, but even then the harm would likely be minor or temporary. There is also some significant danger from staring at an eclipse for even a short length of time, since the pupil may be tricked by the apparent low light intensity into allowing too great an influx of solar radiation at harmful wavelengths into the eye.

It is also worth mentioning that the urban legends about several students going blind in the 1960s while tripping out on LSD and staring at the sun were nothing but a hoax designed to scare kids into avoiding drugs.

Have the Claims of Hira Ratan Manek Been Substantiated?


Currently, there exists no solid scientific proof that sun gazing actually works in the manner that the “sun gazing gurus” claim, nor is there solid proof to the contrary. The sun gazing community is enthusiastically awaiting rigorous and definitive scientific studies on sun gazing to resolve the matter.

But until those come forth, the best you can do is to review the data yourself, and follow your gut.

Dr. Sudhir Shah, a neurologist who led the 21-physician team that evaluated and monitored HRM during his 411-day water-and-solar-energy fast, publicized his conclusions and theories about how HRM can subsist on sunlight. He posited that HRM sustains himself based on four key factors/processes:

1. Reducing calorie requirement by chronic adaptation

2. Deriving basic energy from sun energy

3. Utilizing the energy in an efficient way, and recycling it in his body

4. Possessing a genetically or phenotypically different body disposition

He goes into great detail about each factor in his theoretical summary, which you can read in his online report.

Dr. Shah concludes that the sun gazing phenomenon is genuine, stating, “It’s just fantastic, and absolutely amazing, but this is not a myth.”

A glowing article in support of HRM was written by Dr. Maurie D. Pressman, a Holistic-Spiritual Psychoanalyst and Director of the Pressman Center for Mind/Body Wellness in Philadelphia. Dr. Pressman states he spent a good deal of “personal time” with HRM and believes he is one of the “realized beings among us.”

He describes how struck he was with how HRM’s body looked--very slender, graceful, and firm--not emaciated at all. He was also impressed with his quiet, self-assured manner.

Other reports are not so glowing.

In 2003, when trying to confirm reports that NASA had invited HRM for study, Jan Steinar Haugland received a response from NASA spokesperson Dolores Beasley saying she had no idea why reports had claimed that NASA had invited Manek. She went on to say that they have no record of his being involved with them. She also checked all offices doing related research at centers such as Johnson, Marshall, and Ames.

Doctors who were supposedly wowed by HRM’s performance in the United States seem less than eager to publicly express their praise.

The third “observed” fast lasting 130 days was supposedly performed in Philadelphia, PA, under the direction of Dr. Andrew Newberg and Dr. George Brainard. However, contact with Dr. Newberg apparently revealed that Manek was only studied for “brain scans of meditation” at the University of Pennsylvania, not for his ability to fast indefinitely.

Dr. Newberg also denied ever undertaking the 130-day study, according to Wikipedia.

I emailed HRM himself and asked if he could shed some light on this conflicting information. He responded promptly, stating:

When an experience of a person becomes reproducible, it becomes a science. Sun gazing is not for non-eating. It is for health of mind, body and spirit…

…The media sometimes reports things in haste, I have never said anything about NASA. Those who believe, they do it, and those who do not believe--to them, any amount of explanation won’t work.

So, you will have to decide for yourself as to the validity of the claims of Hira Ratan Manek, and other sun gazers. What can be found easily are many reports from people who have been utilizing his sun gazing protocol to their benefit, without any negative consequences.

In fact, the very ambitious Vinny Pinto has posted online the results of his First Sungazing List Group Sungazer’s Survey. Results are encouraging for those of you who are bold enough to consider trying out this esoteric practice. His major findings were:

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Health improvements were reported, especially among women.
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Persons who had sun gazed for at least a year, at least 4 times per week, were far more likely to report a decreased need for solid food.
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Persons who had sun gazed for more than five years and who gazed near mid-day were more likely to report adverse effects.
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35 of the 51 participants reported “increased or greatly increased energy” while only 1 participant reported reduced energy.
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The number of people who reported a “decreased need for solid food” was approximately equal to the number of people who reported “no significant change in need for food.” Only 1 person reported an increased need.
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The most common physical/mental/spiritual experiences reported from sun gazing were bliss/joy and peace/calm.
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Not one person reported a decrease in physical health. All participants reported their health was the same or improved.

When asked how scientific his survey was, Pinto stated it was “not rigorously scientific, but a useful tool.”

That said, he describes himself as a degreed scientist and statistician who has trained others in statistical methodology, stating he made the study as scientific as he could, within his time and financial constraints. Therefore, it is probably a pretty good representation of the sun gazing population.

Closing Thoughts

Just how sun gazing works remains a mystery, but the same can be said of many esoteric practices, such as acupuncture and Qigong, which have been around for millennia and survived the test of time. One would expect these things to fall by the wayside if they offered no benefits at all.

Sun gazing appears to be gaining momentum in this country, as more complementary health practices are gaining acceptance by the public. If we always demand an explanation for how something works before trying it, we might be cheating ourselves out of some great tools that can provide benefit.

One fairly comprehensive resource is a book called Living on Sunlight by Vina Parma, MBA. It is available for FREE download here.

I recommend that you read multiple sources of information before diving in, if sun gazing is something you decide you want to explore. At least then, you will be embarking on the journey with your eyes wide open.

This is the first time I've heard of sun gazing in this sense. Considering how toxic our food supply is (Will we ultimately be unable to escape GMO foods? Will our beneficial supplements be banned?) and how the pineal gland is negatively affected by age, light pollution and fluoride, I can see that there could be some great benefit from utilizing this practice especially in regards to the relatively short time involved for full completion. Plus, if circumstances become dire through catastrophe or civil disorder, it would provide another option for survival in a worst case scenario. And, assuming it really does work, it would also allow humans to not have to slaughter animals to live, something that bothers me a whole lot more than it used to. I do wonder if changes in the sun itself (more or less sunspot activity) has any impact as to how effective this practice is.

Any practitioners out there in Cass land?
 
I did go to the link eliansito posted, and found an poem.

http://www.healingtaousa.com/bigu.html said:
Lu T'ung, a Tang poet, wrote of tea: "The first cup moistens my lips and throat, the second cup breaks my loneliness, the third cup searches my barren entrails but to find therein some five thousand volumes of odd ideographs. The forth cup raises a slight perspiration,-all the wrong of life passes away through my pores. At the fifth cup I am purified; the sixth cup calls me to the realms of the immortals. The seventh cup, - ah, but I could take no more! I only feel the breath of cool wind that rises in my sleeves. Where is Horaisan? (mythical islands in the Eastern sea, commonly associated with immortality). Let me ride on this sweet breeze and waft away thither."

This poem struck me as a short description of the densities.
Sorry to detract from the topic, I just found that poem curious.
 
I'd like to continue this discussion, but I'm wondering if it should be moved to diet and health? There is already some information about sun gazing there.

Several reasons for my interest:

The indication from the C's that things may not be well in the U.S. (which is where I am) - if there is a disruption in food supplies, would it be helpful for ourselves and others to know a way to avoid starvation?

The C's recommend sungazing in the July 16, 2009 transcript, in association with dance.

The negativity and derision surrounding accounts of sun gazers and breatharians - is this info being suppressed?

Observations of members of my own family who have puzzling and unusual diets that they manage to survive on.

A story I encountered about a woman named Barbara Moore, who started out living on weeds and grass and then gave up food altogether. Supposedly, she learned how to do this from (drum roll) Count St. Germain! There is not much information about her online - this story is pretty much repeated in several places:

http://www.fruitnut.net/HTML/106_Breaths_People_Barbara_Moore.htm


Anyway, I am hoping that this is a subject that would be considered worth discussing, but I understand if it is deemed just a distraction.
 
Any practitioners out there in Cass land?

Hi Jeep,‎

I was waiting for the practitioners asking some questions but it seems there is no ‎one in the forum or have not read the topic yet, maybe they prefer “silence” ‎rather than anything else.‎

I haven’t practiced Sun Gazing but the same way as “Chakra/Pranic healing” ‎techniques we are able to absorb Vital Energy by concentration and breathing.‎

In brief it is Absorption and Consumption.‎

When I started reading the first book for Pranic/Chakra healing I wanted to know ‎more about such phenomena. Fortunately, learning the lessons for the first few ‎days I could absorb/collect and touch the VE/Prana between my palms just like a ‎real ball, feeling its “nature”, vibrating/dancing over and under my skin, then by ‎concentration and breathing could make that ball as bigger as the size of my ‎shoulders, controlling it by my will, any moment I was able to absorb it completely ‎to make it disappear, or make it smaller or bigger balls and for more minutes ‎practicing more VE preserving. Finally I learned “absorption”. Pranic healing, ‎energizing the body during a hard working day or a glass of water, . . . all are my ‎hobbies for the last few years. ‎

We, as transducers, can absorb VE/Prana by our thoughts power/brain to convert ‎into nourishment or for any other useful benefits such as Healing, Energizing . . . ‎and the price we pay is only few minutes time a day. All above mentioned ‎other advantages/benefits in this topic such as :‎

“adjusting the mind and thoughts especially cultivating the virtue ‎principle . . .” and “health of mind, body and spirit…” are good enough to ‎think about it for our unpredictable dangerous future. Generally, it is very simple ‎to understand that learning something like painting, basic psychology, dowsing, ‎sacred geometry, digital graphics, sculpturing or Pranic absorption for 10/15 ‎minutes a day can not distract someone from the “Work/Aim/Goal”. Everybody is ‎free to think about for himself/herself. ‎

I believe Sun Gazing is the same process . . . Absorption and Consumption. ‎Generally there is no great differences/benefits/advantages between these two ‎and IF there is, then, I ask the same question too : ‎

Any SG practitioners in Cassi Castle?‎

Best
King
 
After reading through this thread, I decided that I really want to talk about something that has flitted into my thinking every time there is any discussion of the pineal gland. I have googled, looked through my anatomy books, searched high and low and somehow cannot find direct confirmation for this. However, I distinctly remember a discussion in my Advanced Anatomy class in massage school about the position of the pineal -- it is cradled in a bony part of the sphenoid bone called the pterygoid process and this pterygoid is shaped like a BUTTERFLY. Needless to say, the butterfly is pretty symbolic and I remember being awed by this fact. Like I said, I've searched for documentation and haven't come up with it. Anyone else have any thoughts on this?

This quote is from the posting above relating to the sun gazing:

The pineal gland is associated with the sixth chakra, also called Ajna or the “third eye” in yoga, and is considered to be the seat of “inner wisdom.” It is believed by many to be a dormant organ that, when activated, awakens psychic abilities. Some consider it to be where consciousness resides in your body. Rene Descartes devoted a great deal of his life to its study and called the gland “the seat of the soul.”

Jazper :huh:
 
King said:
I was waiting for the practitioners asking some questions but it seems there is no ‎one in the forum or have not read the topic yet, maybe they prefer “silence” ‎rather than anything else.‎

Hi King,

Well, I'm not a practitioner of sg so I don't have anything to add on the subject. For what it's worth though, when statements (like the above in bold) are read, it can be off putting to some and give you the opposite of the response you desire.

edit: tendrini - give me a day and I'll be happy to take a look at your link. :)
 
truth seeker said:
King said:
I was waiting for the practitioners asking some questions but it seems there is no ‎one in the forum or have not read the topic yet, maybe they prefer “silence” ‎rather than anything else.‎

Hi King,

Well, I'm not a practitioner of sg so I don't have anything to add on the subject. For what it's worth though, when statements (like the above in bold) are read, it can be off putting to some and give you the opposite of the response you desire.

edit: tendrini - give me a day and I'll be happy to take a look at your link. :)



Hi truth seeker,‎

First, I wrote the word “maybe” in that sentence you refer and “maybe” means ‎‎“indicating possibility”, if it has any meaning for you (if you really wish that ‎sentence to be in bold, as you did it, that is another story). ‎

Second, I am not desiring (your word) anything here or suggesting anything for ‎anyone in this topic as I wrote before “Everybody is free to think about ‎himself/herself”. I was Just sharing the information writing my proofs/reasons ‎for those who (1) are interested in (2) and for those who had no idea of such ‎knowledge(s)/phenomenon confusing the matter with “distraction”, getting upset, ‎accusing others of ignorance, “playing with words” and ridiculing everybody who ‎oppose their ideas. Even you and others couldn’t show your/their proofs/reasons. ‎
This is one of your answers/comments in this topic :‎

Is it possible for humans in 3D to learn whatever is necessary to learn and go on ‎living without any food or drink at all?‎

My current understanding is that when all lessons are learned, we move from 3D ‎to 4D. When we are in 4D, we don't need food as we currently consume it. ‎So as long as we remain 3D, there will be a necessity to eat. 4D STS consumes us ‎and 4D STO feed each other. fwiw. ‎

I am really sorry to say you didn’t even realize that the Indian man was talking ‎about our 3D but not 4D. He really meant about “Man’s abilities” to learn and ‎living without food in 3D. Fortunately you know now . . . after reading the whole ‎info in this topic that we all are able to do it .‎

Anyway. More probably we don’t have SG practitioner(s) today in the forum but ‎maybe for tomorrows reading this topic just like a new member or guest whether ‎he/she would like to share in this topic or not. Or they will prefer “silence” not ‎to be accused of ignorance or something else. Let’s not forget that more than ‎the half of members, except the guests, have not read this topic yet . . . Have you ‎seen the statistics? There are also other practitioners except SG like Breatharians, ‎Light and Prana Practitioners too, and many others have learned by different ‎techniques. No need to say that someone like me don’t need or desire for ‎supporters/followers but you need to know that instead of wasting your/my time ‎and energy for such comments it is more wiser to read carefully the ‎writings/comments before because maybe and maybe someone might guess or ‎think this is a kind of “Noise” . . . or it is more better to spent your time/energy ‎for sharing information about the things you know very well to help other ‎members/guests. Don’t you think it is a good idea?‎
And I promise you there will be more info about this knowledge in this topic and ‎everybody is free by his/her own free will to read it or not. Learning is fun.‎
:)
Best
King
 
Hi King,

Thank-you, I find this topic quite interesting, particularly in light of a recent discussion concerning possibilities and limitations we impose based upon our belief structures and how learning to be open to all possibilities is vital to our growth.

I have to say that I too find your posts to have a certain "edge" to them, as though you are irritated. By lack of response? Why?

And those that have replied seem to push your buttons in some way. As you quote, learning is fun, so why the buttons? Or are you simply soooo misunderstood and it is the fault of the reader! :lol: Ever read Thoreau? You know, "it takes two to tell the truth; one to tell it and the other to hear it."

In other words, do you find it the fault of others for not sharing your enthusiasm on the topic? If so I think it is something worth looking at for it comes off as a certain type of desire to control. BTW, I am giving you a certain benefit of the doubt for truth be told I find your posts to contain no small degree of arrogance in terms of TONE and ATTITUDE. But, the written form of communication does make it challenging to really hear another and understand where they are coming from so maybe I am hearing something not there. Then again maybe it IS there but is not deliberate.

So! LEARNING is fun?! Will you help me learn why it is I find your posts to be pedantic if not patronizing?

With that said, as stated, I find the topic interesting, for just tonight I was thinking about consumption and how we live such a consuming life. This bothers me.

And in the past month or two my physical appetite has waned considerably, I find myself needing far less food to eat than normal. I have never undergone a fast yet by the way things are going can see this becoming very real possibility, occurring naturally.

Also, I am a big fan of the sun :D and have been since I can remember. One event in particular, I was about 11 years of age and standing outside on our farm, catching some rays of our glorious star, when the thought dawned in me that we ARE beings OF the Sun. Now I am not saying this as a matter of fact, only recounting my memory of that day over 20-years ago where it seemed so clear and obvious to me that as all life requires sunlight in some form and capacity to nourish then clearly as we are A-LIFE our "begetting" as it were makes perfect sense to be a solar one.

Also, I've practiced some sun-gazing before but not quite in the manner described here and not for the length of time prescribed.

Worth experimenting with I think, but it seems important to realize that attitude is so important for HRM states quite clearly that the technique should be focused upon health and well-being rather than the purpose being food/consumption oriented. All that about a cart and horse . . .

Cheers, Sunshine!

PS - for what it is worth, I actually DO prefer silence . . . it is not easy-cheesy you know, what with the internal dialogue and all.
 
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