Laura's Book "From Paul to Mark" is out!!!!

Ina

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You’ve got to reassess what is ‘truth’.
Is it an objective reality or just a truth you have reached?

Dostoevsky once said that if he were to choose between truth and Jesus, he would rather stick with Jesus as an objective reality. That is because truth as a category, in its most unadulterated form and unabated definition - it’s still just a reflection, as perceived by us and available to us in our 3D reality. A contour in the fabric of reality that can be wiped or re-shaped or re-defined based on new inputs.

So what’s left if not the pursuit of truth and other than belief - is nous, a sense of understanding that corrals intelligence, imagination, faith, reasoning and is still more than the sum of all that.
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Then I think Paul made a grave error since we know OT is false. Paul's belief in the Jewish god forced him to link the Jewish god with Caesar, and then for the redactors it was a straightforward task of erasing and replacing Caesar while retaining the Jewish god.

Indeed. Paul was not perfect and he worked with his own biases as far as was possible in his time. He also worked with the only concepts he had to hand and that, already, was quite something.

Marcion, of course, was sure that the Christ was the son of a god higher than Yahweh and perhaps he saw something in Paul's writings, or knew something via some other source, that suggested this to him. In that case, perhaps Paul did NOT assume that Yahweh was the highest/creator god. It would be difficult to make a call on that without some serious study and analysis, and even then, it might not be possible. I just saw no indication that Paul had an 'alien god' in mind. (By 'alien', I mean unknown.)
 

Laura

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You’ve got to reassess what is ‘truth’.
Is it an objective reality or just a truth you have reached?

Dostoevsky once said that if he were to choose between truth and Jesus, he would rather stick with Jesus as an objective reality. That is because truth as a category, in its most unadulterated form and unabated definition - it’s still just a reflection, as perceived by us and available to us in our 3D reality. A contour in the fabric of reality that can be wiped or re-shaped or re-defined based on new inputs.

So what’s left if not the pursuit of truth and other than belief - is nous, a sense of understanding that corrals intelligence, imagination, faith, reasoning and is still more than the sum of all that.

Have you finished reading the book?
 

Joe

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You’ve got to reassess what is ‘truth’.
Is it an objective reality or just a truth you have reached?

Dostoevsky once said that if he were to choose between truth and Jesus, he would rather stick with Jesus as an objective reality. That is because truth as a category, in its most unadulterated form and unabated definition - it’s still just a reflection, as perceived by us and available to us in our 3D reality. A contour in the fabric of reality that can be wiped or re-shaped or re-defined based on new inputs.

So what’s left if not the pursuit of truth and other than belief - is nous, a sense of understanding that corrals intelligence, imagination, faith, reasoning and is still more than the sum of all that.

Yeah, there is no truth, why even try, everything is subjective and a poor reflection of a higher, more refined truth somewhere out there, unreachable by us. Anyone, you included obviously, can easily dismiss any truth seeking and reaching attempt with this rather nihilistic pseudo-argument that has aimlessness and pointlessness as its final destination. The only answer to such an argument is to respond to the person making it that they should, by all means, pursue it, and leave the rest of us in the truth seeking community to do what we do best.

When we come to closer approximations of the truth on any given topic, primarily by uncovering and exposing the lies that have defined that topic, and thus, by definition, coming closer to an objective truth, you and others who hold to the subjectivity argument can have fun poking pseudo-holes in it by appealing to the 'all is relative' pseudo-argument.

Searching for truth and coming to a closer approximation of it as I have described is not about any particular truth or its revelation per se, but rather about the effect that that process has on the truth seeker, specifically his/her Being and their 'alignment' so to speak. That's something you clearly missed, likely due to misalignment.
 
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I realized, when reading Cleopatre's message to me that the only previous time I have ever felt like this was after doing that particularly nasty exorcism so many years ago. I was practically a shell of a person for about 6 months after. It was as though all my vital juices had been drained out of me; not necessarily physical energy, but psychic and mental energy.

So, that made me wonder if what I was doing in writing this book was something like an exorcism?

Since it was actually Caesar's death that was accompanied by all the strange environmental phenomena, can we suppose that his death actually was a sort of exorcism as described by Marcus and Werner?

What about the writing of this book? I know that in no way did I come even close to smoking gun evidence, but I do think the accumulation of circumstantial evidence was more than compelling.
Just thinking aloud from what you are writing. So while the death of Ceasar was a sort of exorcism at the time, then as the Jewish Christians took over, the truth was again veiled by what could be described as demons or demonic forces. That has been the affairs for 1500-2000 years depending on how many years we want to subtract. The fact then that you managed to pull all the threads and rediscover what had been hidden for so long and make it available in book form for the lay person, can really be seen as an exorcism of gargantuan size, undoing the work of the demonic forces who have held the truth hidden for these many years. It makes sense that a deja vu comes to mind from a previously nasty exorcism which sapped you.

To use the Harry Potter imagery, then you have been in close battle with the Dementors and won, thus bringing light, truth and hope back to the tribe, while feeling exhausted due to the battle. Or the breaking of a powerful spell, like in the fairy tale, Sleeping Beauty, which had kept those under the spell asleep for centuries.
 

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Since it was actually Caesar's death that was accompanied by all the strange environmental phenomena, can we suppose that his death actually was a sort of exorcism as described by Marcus and Werner?

Perhaps Caesar's assassination constituted a 'crossing of a line' by STS forces (working through humans) that caused some kind of blow back or negative repercussions for those forces. Perhaps the willing sacrifice of his life (it seems he was aware to some extent and went willingly to it) 'drew down' some positive energies onto the planet that caused a kind of 'exorcism' of some of that kind of negative energy. If a dark world, ruled by lies and suffering, is 'palatable' to dark entities, then when such a world is infused with the opposite energy via the kind of sacrifice offered by Caesar, then the world becomes less palatable to those who thrive in darkness. Who knows how such things work at that level.
 

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I finished reading the book a few weeks ago and I had a couple of small comments to make about it. Now I have time so I'm going to take advantage of it.

The first is simply to say "thank you" to Laura, this work is a treasure and I am sorry that only a small portion of the world's population can benefit from it. I must admit that it was not an easy read for me, firstly because English is not my native language and secondly because every thread that Laura pulls on is done in a detailed way trying to cover every possible angle and that made the text dense. Having said that I must say that it was worth every page of the book and I feel fortunate that life has brought me to a point where I have been allowed to enjoy so much of such a work.

Secondly, I wanted to make a personal observation based on my own experience. I was born and raised in a Catholic family (two uncles were priests and my father was a seminarian until he decided to leave) and I was educated in the values of this religion. I have nothing to reproach, I think I got the best out of this upbringing and I thank my parents for having framed my childhood and youth in this environment. The point I wanted to get to is that remembering my years of participation in Catholic groups and activities (I belonged to the Salesian order) I can see that in the depths of the teachings I received there are still residues of the Pauline message. The one that comes to mind most is the idea of having "the faith of Christ" and not "faith in Christ". This idea of Christ as a model, as a source of inspiration, at least in the Catholic environments in which I grew up, was always an essential factor and did leave an imprint on me. The idea of not worshipping or venerating "holy figures" but seeing them as a kind of archetype to tune into, I don't think, is trivial.

Knowing through friends or acquaintances other branches of Christianity derived from Protestantism, I must say that, at least from my experience, this is a feature that creates a great difference between one form of Christianity and another. The latter place a special emphasis on blind faith in order to obtain the favours of a deity who, if He sees enough devotion on your part, will surely grant you great benefits.

In short, I just wanted to comment that, at least from my experience, I think there are still remnants of that early Christianity still hanging around the world, which, given the dramatic times we are living in today, feels like smelling a minty breath while we are wading through a fetid swamp.
 
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