But isn't that difficult without knowing what she intended to do? Otherwise, who is to say that she didn't mean to do exactly what she did?Russ said:I think you've got some good ideas in there but I think it could be a bit more refined, then again I've used photoshop for over a decade so I have a very high standard, I can see all the techniques and tools you've used and can rate how you've used them ;)
But with art, who is to say what is "proper" - wouldn't that also depend on what she intended to do?Russ said:Bits I don't like are the edges of the snow, doesn't look integrated propely, also the green on the woman's hat, same problem as the snow.
Unless you want to make it look a bit like a collage :PRuss said:Main thing is integration, making it look less like a collage and more like a scene.
I think your opinion is interesting. Thank you for your comment. Just so you know. I have been using Photoshop for 4 or 5 years. I didnt want the piece to be perfect. I intended to incorporate textures, effects and other skills to the table. So it wouldn't look like every other graphic art piece you would see online . (A artist touch)Russ said:I think you've got some good ideas in there but I think it could be a bit more refined, then again I've used photoshop for over a decade so I have a very high standard, I can see all the techniques and tools you've used and can rate how you've used them ;) I think you have a lot of potential, 2 hours to make that isn't bad. I'll be honest, you're a novice, but really its not important, whats important is ideas and creativity, your skills with the program will imrprove over time and I can see you have very nice ideas. I think my favourite parts are the snow effect, and the distorted effect on the woman with the red, and the bottom right area with the text is nice aswell. Bits I don't like are the edges of the snow, doesn't look integrated propely, also the green on the woman's hat, same problem as the snow. There are a few brushes you can use to give a grainy effect on edges, that would work nice with the snow I think. Main thing is integration, making it look less like a collage and more like a scene.
Thx you for the comment and the link. :)ScioAgapeOmnis said:But isn't that difficult without knowing what she intended to do? Otherwise, who is to say that she didn't mean to do exactly what she did?Russ said:I think you've got some good ideas in there but I think it could be a bit more refined, then again I've used photoshop for over a decade so I have a very high standard, I can see all the techniques and tools you've used and can rate how you've used them ;)
But with art, who is to say what is "proper" - wouldn't that also depend on what she intended to do?Russ said:Bits I don't like are the edges of the snow, doesn't look integrated propely, also the green on the woman's hat, same problem as the snow.
Unless you want to make it look a bit like a collage :PRuss said:Main thing is integration, making it look less like a collage and more like a scene.
I like it, has a sort of surreal quality to it. The parts that Russ mentioned do kinda look out of place, but I think that kinda adds to the surreal quality. And that girl with red hair looks like she's deep in thought, like the picture in your avatar.
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Well, rate them by my opinion :) but it is more complicated than that. Of course what I think is better is subjective, I think the parts I mentioned let the work down, because I have seen it so many times from when I was learning, or from when other people are learning. There is a small area where I can be wrong, although its worth considering, I didn't want to open that up because I didn't want to influence the response. And I am not saying redjade is a liar, I am just saying its a possibility (ego), I don't know redjade afterall. Now from your post I have no idea if she is going along with what you're saying or not, and the whole thing has become more complicated ;)ScioAgapeOmnis said:But isn't that difficult without knowing what she intended to do? Otherwise, who is to say that she didn't mean to do exactly what she did?Russ said:I think you've got some good ideas in there but I think it could be a bit more refined, then again I've used photoshop for over a decade so I have a very high standard, I can see all the techniques and tools you've used and can rate how you've used them ;)
Of course, but I see no problem with what I said. Is it not OK for me not to like something? ;) And there is a "proper" way to integrate things like snow, because you see it in the real world. The difference is whether you want it to look proper or not. And I think it doesn't look proper, and it is not an original way of making it look "not proper" either, IMO.ScioAgapeOmnis said:But with art, who is to say what is "proper" - wouldn't that also depend on what she intended to do?Russ said:Bits I don't like are the edges of the snow, doesn't look integrated propely, also the green on the woman's hat, same problem as the snow.
I hope you are genuine and not just looking for a chance to be right! ;D anyway, all I meant is thats the main thing I don't like about it, hmm I just find it offputting, probably because like I said I can see all the effects and its just too recognisable to me, also it just happens to look like a collage in the areas where it also looks a bit ametuer, I think a lot of photoshop artists would pick up on it. It actually takes away the surreal nature of the picture, for me.ScioAgapeOmnis said:Unless you want to make it look a bit like a collage :PRuss said:Main thing is integration, making it look less like a collage and more like a scene.
What you are saying doesn't gel with me, the bits I am talking about do look like every ameture bit like that I have ever seen, so in that respect its not unique in that area, its unique if everyone was very good at photoshop, but they're not. And also the bits which look ameture are exactly the kind of thing an ameture would do, because its hard and takes a lot of experience to do quickly. But yeah maybe I am wrong and I accept that possibility.redjade said:I think your opinion is interesting. Thank you for your comment. Just so you know. I have been using Photoshop for 4 or 5 years. I didnt want the piece to be perfect. I intended to incorporate textures, effects and other skills to the table. So it wouldn't look like every other graphic art piece you would see online . (A artist touch)
Interesting question, Russ, because I was thinking the same thing about your responses. Seems you have quite a bit of ego tied up in these responses of yours - how identified are you with this?Russ said:I hope you genuine and not just looking for a chance to be right! ;D
Well I know what you're saying, but there is avant-garde art that looks like it was drawn by a 4-yr old that is famous and widely acclaimed and hangs in museums of art. So all I am saying is, while I agree that in terms of integration and realism and believability there is much room for improvement in that picture, it looks to me like you assumed that this is what redjade was going for to begin with, but is that a safe assumption?Russ said:Of course what I think is better is subjective, I think the parts I mentioned let the work down, because I have seen it so many times from when I was learning, or from when other people are learning.
Although I think you're doing your best in regards of your current skills and abilities, you still want to protect yourself from criticism by diminishing the weaknesses of the artwork.Redjade said:I didnt want the piece to be perfect. I intended to incorporate textures, effects and other skills to the table. So it wouldn't look like every other graphic art piece you would see online . (A artist touch)
That's not really a fair argument because you're taking an art piece out of its context and out of the whole career of an artist.ScioAgapeOmnis said:That one looks far more amateur than what redjade did, in fact it wouldn't even make any sense to judge in terms of integration and realism. But shouldn't this question then be asked for any piece of art - did the artist just not have enough skill to make it more realistic, or did he/she end up with exactly what was intended? The only reason I said what I said is cuz it just looked like you assumed the former and did not consider the latter.
I suppose I'm a little bit identified with it, but very little. I really don't care that much at all though (too much experience), also that was a bit of a tounge in cheek comment, not very serious (but it did have a small amount of seriousness in there, because I think there is at least a small chance of it).anart said:Interesting question, Russ, because I was thinking the same thing about your responses. Seems you have quite a bit of ego tied up in these responses of yours - how identified are you with this?Russ said:I hope you genuine and not just looking for a chance to be right! ;D
I do wonder if the "Black Square" were so famous and priceless if more people were aware of the pre-dadaistic french avantgardeScioAgapeOmnis said:Like taking "Black Square" by Kazimir Malevich. Every 3 yr old drew it at one time
or another, and yet, it is one of the most famous and priceless pieces of art of the 20th century.
Totally agree with you! You do some picture most people`ll tell you "Ohhh, it`s sooo beauuutiful!", doesn`t matter if it`s great or crap.Tigersoap said:I've learned so much more by critcism (justified) than by any compliments, yeah it hurts but it's worth it in the end.
er... bob dylan? there are/were incredible musicians who had "bad" voices, depending on your perspective, who climbed to the "top" of ther respective fields of artistic expression. i love him though, not razzing on dylan =DRuss said:"oh yes but its not them being bad singers, thats the way they wanted it to sound"
From my experience those who are really good don't think that they are (with no false modesty) unless they are really unsecure about their works, wich they identify with osit.JonnyRadar said:and i can say that people who are experienced with photoshop like to razzle and dazzle people about how good they are or what level they're at, which is a useless exercise in trying to show off how much you know or how high you are up the design totem pole.
I agree with you, you can have less skills and still do something great.JonnyRadar said:it's just my own opinion that putting it into a context of talent, or levels of talent, when it comes to artistic expression as long as someone has put their creative juices into it and ended up with something meaningful, it's beautiful no matter what.