Gluten and Psychopathy

[Sinapi]

Hi everyone,

I was wondering if there was ever a connection between gluten and psychopathy discussed here. I tried to search for “gluten” and “psychopathy”, but I couldn’t find my question.

While I don’t know very specific details about it, I’ve read that gluten, as well as casein, has been linked to many different mental health disorders, including schizophrenia and autism. One site (_http://www.drkaslow.com/html/gluten-brain_connection_.html) said that people with learning and social interaction problems improved greatly after going on a gluten-free diet. So, perhaps psychopathy, or psychopathic traits, could be sort of amplified by gluten?

Then again, the general consensus here is that true psychopaths are born, and not made, right? Except when experiences with a psychopath modify the structure of the victims brain to become more like a psychopath. I’m pretty sure there was a report, or maybe many, on SOTT about that. So, maybe gluten can help to somehow “activate” psychopathic genes, within or outside of the womb?

I also recall somewhere that some Asian peoples, I think it was in China, were forced by the Huns or Mongols or some other Steppe peoples to grow wheat. If anyone knows about that, could you please provide the link for context? I'm having trouble finding it. Anyways, maybe psychopaths can sort of “thrive” on gluten. It is an excellent protein for the control system, as it causes so many health problems, but I have yet to ever hear about a celiac psychopath.

So, I am curious if anyone has any thoughts on this matter, or if this has already been touched upon, or if you know some other resource that could help answer the question. Thanks. :)

 

[Infiniteness]

That's a interesting hypothesis. What I think happened with wheat or gluten early on in human history, was that either the human or alien elite promoted wheat for humans because they knew the negative effects of it on are systems. I was thinking about it two days ago, when I was thinking about my diet, that's my hypothesis. Dam wheat/gluten is almost in everything!!!

 

[Renaissance]

Hi zlyja, I've been curious about a similar thing. I remember having a conversation with a hard-core socialist about political ponerology and one of his sticking points was in how macro-social evil appeared to spread with the arrival of agriculture, and so his point was that control over production was a prompt for ponergenesis and he wasn't in agreement with a biological evil. While he was a little off base, it was an interesting thought. It made me wonder if the use of wheat was perhaps one of the initial ways populations were subdued and made more susceptible to pathological thinking. So, in one sense gluten could give psychopaths power if it weakens humanities psychological immunity, which would be a natural result of a weakened physiological immunity. We're now seeing these experiments completely saturating all parts of our lives: fluoride in water, vaccinations for 'health', pesticides, plastics for food packaging and for water bottles, heavy metals, hormones and other nasty chemicals in our food, processed foods, sugar, and on and on. No wonder people can't think!

 

[Mona]

I would not be suprised if it was true, zlyja, that gluten in diet could affect the behavior in humans in a negative way. It took me a while to completely eliminate gluten from my diet, as I have grown to love European pastries loaded with gluten and I was a very good baker, indeed. I used to make this mile high chocolate cake with real chocolate whipped cream. Everytime I ate it I felt I was in heaven. And then I decided to finally say goodbye to gluten for ever, but not so fast, after listening to Laura how much it benefited her health. Yes, I did cheat a lot, and then one day I stuck with it for the whole 2 weeks, and then I was shocked how my own health improved.

I suffered from constipation for 10 years. Something happened ten years ago, I went through some issues in my life, went through horrible depressions and ever since I developed chronic constipation. My doctor said that that is how my intestines worked, they were just too slow to move the feces out properly. He said I should eat more vegetables and fiber. I already consumed a lot of vegetables, so I ate more, drank more water and I still had the same issue. I went to see a naturopath, a herbologist, an accupuncturist and they could not help. I had an allergy test done and was told that I was allergic to whole wheat, but the rest of wheat was OK. So I continued eating white flour, spelt, barley etc. I exercised to help my intestines move the poop better, but that did not help either. I even meditated and talked to my butt nicely while sitting on the toilet seat. BUt my butt had a mind of its own. I was desperate, OK. I am petite and have never had any issues with weight at all. So then, I had no choice but to make peace with my butt and I learned to live with it, even though I did not like it.

And then I stopped eating gluten for 2 weeks straight. HOly macro, I could not believe that gluten would make me constipated. I noticed that I started going pooping more often and I must say I liked it. My poop was softer and it had more water in it so that it moved out of my body much easier, and I did not have to push or wait sitting on the toilet until it decided to get moving into the toilet bowl. And that changed my life for ever. I love my butt for the first time in 10 years. Last year I decided that I would get my hemorrhoids fixed, so I seeked the advise of a specialist. It was a totally degrading experience but it had to be done. If I could do it myself, trust me I would have. The specialist looked at my butt and came to the conclusion that I had hemorrhoids on the outside of my butt and would take care of it immediately. So he froze my butt, Oh my God, that really hurt and cut the two lumps sticking out of my butt and decided not to put any stiches there at all. So Iw went home , bled for 2 days, could hardly sit and swore to myself that I will be the only one ever looking at my butt, and will never let anyone touch it no matter how bad it gets.

And then I saw Laura talk about how bad gluten was, and ther rest is history. Laura, I really want to thank you for that. You have no idea how happy I am that my body is funcioning normally again. I better press the 'post' butten before I change my mind as I do feel a little embarrassed right now. If anyone of you is having issues with constipation, you should consider eliminating gluten. I am serious, that stuff is evil. And If I can do it, as an European baking diva, then so can you.

 

[mada85]

That's a very interesting idea, zlyja, which makes me wonder if gluten was introduced to the human diet to help facilitate the genetic mutation towards psychopathy. We know that gluten causes a whole host of health issues, and maybe it was introduced to reduce the ability of the human body to resist the causes of genetic mutation.

 

[Starlight]

Hi All,

Over the weekend we watched this documentary by Dr Russell Blaylock on Nutrition and Behaviour. You can try this link http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2963728494205235281#.

It's very interesting and it touches on the issue of the effects of gluten on schizophrenia patients.

Perhaps there is a connection between gluten and psychopathy...

 

[theos]

I think that there is definitely something to this. When one considers the opiod like qualities in wheat...it can make you addicted to the "high" it brings, somewhat sedated, more pliable and open to suggestion. Even if it doesn't directly cause psychopathy it's a good tool to ponerize the population and make them content with their slavery.

 

[agni]

I've read something similar in book by Malakhov G.P. "Healing powers: cleanse of the organism". Though it does not directly mention gluten or psychopathy, I find it relevent:

If preservatives & dehydrated products such as bread, potato, sugar, jelly and other "tasty" things are used, than first of all they dehydrate organism by pumping water to digestive system for it's desolvation & turning it to colloidal mixture. It results in blood thickening, which produces sense of thirst. Such foods are usually taken with liquids, which damages digestive system. Since such food becomes colloidal mixture, which originally was not charged, each micelle of food gains charge from human organism and organism loses part of its charge. Later, being absorbed into blood stream, these colloids make it more viscous. As a result it changes properties of all colloids in the organism (viscosity, charge, purity) to the worst side.

Enzymes in our bodies are adapted to interact with natural particles of sugar, starch, etc, but with changed products, with damaged cell structure, it can not function properly. That's why it results in so much toxicity, mucus, which suppresses vitality of organism and changes its environment from acidic to the alkaline - rotten one. From such people you can already sense smell of rot.

Of course, it affects mental health of the human, giving rise to maniacs and rapists.

 

[Sinapi]

Hmm, there's a lot to think about here! From what data is available, it seems to be more like the perfect food for the control system, along with many other evil foods, as it ruins one's brain chemistry.

I think Laura mentioned epigenetic factors relating to psychopathy, and that there were different strands. Maybe gluten can activate one of them?

I've been trying to find specific dates on the domestication of wheat; some say 2,000 years ago, some say 10,000. Weren't there cometary impacts at around these times? I think Laura mentioned the fall of Atlantis, not according to the C's, was about this time. The Plague was mentioned to have been caused by cometary impacts (though I have yet to read the entire article, will do soon!), and wheat and bread was pretty much what everyone in Europe ate at that time. I'm not sure if that has much to do with psychopathy, though.

And I'm glad to hear about your improved health, Mona! :) I've been feeling a lot better after giving up gluten as well, but that's probably because I mostly lived off of scones and unwashed fruit.

Thanks for your input everyone! :) More data always helps.

 

[Mona]

I think that there is definitely something to this. When one considers the opiod like qualities in wheat...it can make you addicted to the "high" it brings, somewhat sedated, more pliable and open to suggestion. Even if it doesn't directly cause psychopathy it's a good tool to ponerize the population and make them content with their slavery.

"Make them content with their slavery" made me think, that what if the wheat that is produced in Europe is different from the one cultivated on this continent. When I grew up in Czechoslovakia, when it was still communist, we consumed wheat everyday. We would have a meal containing meat only twice a week and the rest of the week the meals would be made with mostly wheat and potatoes. The people back then were very resistant to the communist regime and spoke openly against it, so the gluten did not have much effect on keeping them inslaved. They actually wanted to be free of slavery. However, what I noticed today when I visit Eastern Europe, that people are more passive than ever before, and hopeful that whatever problems their nations are undergoing will somehow be solved on its own with positive outcomes. SO there is definitely a change in behavior. But then we also have to remember that capitalism, the root cause of all evil, was introduced into the political system. Capitalism is a natural creator of false hope that makes people more ignorant of the real truth.

IT's hard to tell what is true or not when we don't have the hard evidence to support our theories. But what we can do is to monitor our own behavior. As I said before, I like to observe myself and see myself as my own guine pig. But so far what I have noticed from eliminating gluten out of my diet is that my health has definitely impoved. And I would have never ever thought in a million years that gluten was the culprit that caused my constipation. Not even the doctors and naturopaths knew that. It seems that the negative effects of gluten on people's health is being hidden from the health care practitioners for a reason that is not obvious to the public.

 

[Renaissance]

But then we also have to remember that capitalism, the root cause of all evil, was introduced into the political system. Capitalism is a natural creator of false hope that makes people more ignorant of the real truth.

Are you familiar with Political Ponerology? I ask because it describes how ideologies, such as Capitalism, are used as a means of spreading pathological thought. Socialism, Communism, Christianity, revolutions, democracy and so on are pretty much always steered by pathologicals. It's an amazing study and gives some deep insight into the mechanisms behind capitalism and other false systems.

Here's a great article on the subject if you're not familar with it:
The Trick of the Psychopath's Trade: Make Us Believe that Evil Comes from Others

 

[cagoule]

There is an interesting essay on Religion and Wheat here.

The essay points out the strangeness of how wheat and western civilisation are very closely linked, and how to reject wheat is often seen as sacrilege. It is pretty strange eh?

 

[Learner]

Hi, thank you for starting this topic.

The more research data I meet here on the forum as well as on the internet, the more it is really freaky to see, what gluten can do in example to the human mind and psyche - in respect how much gluten rules in our daily life, it is really scary I think. I am just thinking about all those pizzas, pastas, pastries, sandwiches etc. in mainstream supermarkets, food stores, snack bars etc. and how therefore gluten effects the mind of so many people, so that they show very little to literary no interest in questioning things and can therefore be easily controlled.
In this regard, this stood out to me for example:

_http://www.glutenfreeworks.com/gluten_sensitivity.php:

Mild problems that may come and go include irritability, sluggishness, tiredness, achiness, the "blues", fatigue, and disinterest in things that should cause interest.

and regarding the mind:

Gluten can affect the mind causing problems like depression and anxiety. Thinking difficulties may develop such as poor attention, judgment and memory or outright confusion. Behavioral problems may include hyperactivity or inappropriate social interaction. In some people, psychotic symptoms can develop which may be reversed on a gluten-free diet

This site also contains a summary of symptoms here: _http://glutenfreeworks.com/symptomology.php

Regarding the mind:

BEHAVIOR SYMPTOMS IN CELIAC DISEASE


* Aloofness

* Hyperactivity

* Irritability (Common in children with celiac disease)

* Impatience

* Lack of Desire to Get Things Done

* Lack of Feeling

* Restlessness

* Timid Behavior

* Violent Behavior

NEUROLOGICAL ISSUES IN CELIAC DISEASE


* Anxiety

* Apathy

* Bipolar disorder

* Depression

* Difficulty Making Friendships

* Easy Frustration and Anger

* Nervousness

* Panic Attacks

* Sense of Worthlessness

* Overly Self-critical

* Hysteria

* Hypochondria

THINKING SYMPTOMS IN CELIAC DISEASE


* Confused/ Faulty Thinking

* Confabulation

* Delusions

* Dementia

* Disorientation

* Faulty Learning

* Hallucination

* Inattentiveness

* Loss of Memory

* Loss of Immediate Memory

* Poor Memory

* Reduced Learning

* Slow Thinking

* Scattered Thinking

Regarding psychological disorders, psychopathy, whatever:

From a quote of the article "Gluten-brain connection", first provided in this thread - _http://www.drkaslow.com/html/gluten-brain_connection_.html

Celiac disease may present with psychiatric symptoms, which, in association with other symptoms, may be of diagnostic help... Kaser (1961) described celiac children as showing definite symptoms in all cases. The children are conspicuously quiet, turned, inward, often weepy, often discontented or surly and apparently lack all joy in living. They can take on negativistic and schizoid characteristics and may execute ceaseless stereotyped movements. Paulley wrote in 1959: many (adult celiacs) showed extreme obsessional neuroses, suffering delusions, frequently believing they had cancer. Paranoid ideas were also frequent and many were considered psychotic or near psychotic.

I think Laura mentioned epigenetic factors relating to psychopathy, and that there were different strands. Maybe gluten can activate one of them?

The development of schizoidal characteristics in the quote above might suggest that - but for certain more data is needed for better discernment. What my thought is right now is, if gluten supports the brain chemistry of psychopaths such, that they become stronger in their skills to manipulate - that they can develop a smarter agenda that meets their aims best, while non-psychopaths - by consuming gluten - become more like "dull couch potatoes" - the "ideal" sheeple, the victims of the manipulating agendas of the psychopaths? However, this is just a speculating thought and I might be way off, as I did not gain much insight in psychopathology yet (I am still awaiting the shipping of the first of the "Big Five" books, that I ordered in the end of march :( ).
But on the other side the article "The Dark Side of Wheat" on SOTT suggests:

In a nutshell, what we eat and what we are exposed to in our environment directly affects our DNA and its expression.

So, if it can then happen, that gluten has such an effect on the genes of a person with accordant epigenetic factors for psychopathy, that it plays a role in the process of the genese of a characteropath? Or of the genese of an essentiell psychopath in the womb of a mother-to-be, while she is consuming gluten containing food? Because the gluten has an accordant effect on the DNA of the child?
Tried to find more data, but without success by now. Maybe others have more luck on this. If not - maybe it might be a question for the Cs?

 

[Sinapi]

Cagoule- Good point about wheat in monotheistic religions. It might have something to do with the C's saying that 42% of Israel's population is composed of psychopaths. The use of gluten as a control mechanism makes me think about how Islam is about the submission to God... then again, I have not heard about much psychopathy in the Muslim population, if one disregards the propaganda that the West spews.

While thinking of that, the C's said that only 0.9% of Chinese are psychopaths, which might be due to the greater use of rice in their diet. This makes me wonder about ancient Mesoamerica. While I am not very educated about it at all, I think they had blood sacrifices and worshiped the Lizzies, right? At least the Aztecs. Yet gluten wasn't introduced until the Spanish forced them the grow it. Maybe they could have been influenced by the lectins in corn?

Learner- I noticed the mention of schizoid tendencies in the article as well, but I thought that they were using schizoid in the sense of extreme shyness, and were describing autistic people. As far as I understand, QFG uses schizoid to describe paranoid loners who are quick to attack others' viewpoints while ignoring any objective data... or something like that. Like an Israeli settler. Nevermind, here's part of what Lobaczewski said:

"Carriers of this anomaly are hypersensitive and distrustful, but they pay little attention to the feelings of others, tend to assume extreme positions, and are eager to retaliate for minor offenses.

Sometimes they are eccentric and odd.

Their poor sense of psychological situation and reality leads them to superimpose erroneous, pejorative interpretations upon other people's intentions.

They easily become involved in activities which are ostensibly moral, but which actually inflict damage upon themselves and others. "

Then again, it could be true in either context. Thanks for pointing that out! I'll try to find some more data in my off-time. Thanks everyone for contributing. :)

 

[Sinapi]

Hi all,

I’ve been busy for a few weeks, so I haven’t gotten around much to researching this topic further. But, I found this interesting article:

__http://mangans.blogspot.com/2008/11/does-low-serum-cholesterol-cause.html

That suggests psychopathy may be related to low serum cholesterol levels. As the author makes note of, I find this very interesting, with all the pushes for cholesterol-lowering drugs and low saturated fat diets. The author also mentioned a link between low cholesterol and low serotonin levels, which has been associated with violent behavior.

Then, there’s this study:

__http://journals.cambridge.org/action/displayFulltext?type=1&fid=1805912&jid=BJN&volumeId=53&issueId=01&aid=1805904

That found gluten-fed rats (as well as casein-fed ones) fed on an amino acid-only, no cholesterol diet, significantly lowered it in the blood.

Quite frankly, I’m having trouble making heads or tails of it with all the medical-lingo. I think it suggests that fatty-acid synthesis was increased in the liver of the wheat-fed rats, but then was promptly flushed out of the system. A severe detox reaction, I guess.

The summary:

1. The effect of lysine- and threonine-supplemented wheat gluten on cholesterol metabolism was studied using
male weanling rats. Animals were fed on cholesterol-free diets containing 100 or 200 g gluten/kg with or
without amino acid supplementation, and compared with animals given 50, 100 and 200 g casein/kg diets, for
3 weeks.
2. A hypocholesterolaemic effect observed with the wheat gluten-fed rats, compared with the animals given 100
and 200 g casein/kg diets, was accompanied by increased turnover of cholesterol as expressed by enhanced
cholesterol biosynthesis and increased faecal excretion of cholesterol and bile acids. This effect was not abolished
by lysine and threonine supplementation.
3. Low levels of blood cholesterol were also observed in the rats fed on the 50 g casein/kg diet. However, a
different mechanism, related to impairment of cholesterol transport from the liver, was most likely responsible
for the hypocholesterolaemia found in these protein-malnourished animals.
4. The effect on cholesterol metabolism produced by dietary wheat gluten was independent of the low quality
of the protein and of its specific deficiency in lysine and threonine.

As far as the serotonin link goes, this link:

__http://autismarticles4me.blogspot.com/2010/05/autism-treatment-gluten-sensitivity.html

Says that autistic people have a higher production of serotonin in their systems because of undigested wheat products. Too much serotonin can cause aggressiveness, anxiety, insomnia, etc. So, that kind of throws a wrench into the previous hypothesis.

Comments? Anything obvious that I'm not seeing? Thanks. :)