Theun Mares (Toltec Seer) - Facing The World Crisis

Laura

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See this thread for more on the topic of Castaneda and the Fourth Way.
http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=8488.0
 

FoundbutnotCaught

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This thread is the first thread I've read here, and I'm impressed by the analysis given, so I had to join. I threw away Theun's books after reading them, but didn't fully understand his or Castaneda's motives until reading this thread. This made it apparent that they got their useful ideas from other people or introspection, but then put the ideas into a format of a spiritual tradition so they would be given authority by others.
 

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Hi FoundbutnotCaught,

Welcome to the forum. :) We recommend all new members to post an introduction in the Newbies section telling us a bit about themselves, and how they found their way here. Have a read through that section to get an idea of how others have done it. Thanks.
 

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FoundbutnotCaught said:
This thread is the first thread I've read here, and I'm impressed by the analysis given, so I had to join. I threw away Theun's books after reading them, but didn't fully understand his or Castaneda's motives until reading this thread. This made it apparent that they got their useful ideas from other people or introspection, but then put the ideas into a format of a spiritual tradition so they would be given authority by others.

Apparently, according to some historians of religion and scholars of religious studies, particularly Burton Mack, that is exactly how new religions get created. Not many "traditions" are actually traditions, and even fewer have an actual source such as the Cs that provides information that can demonstrate links to a REAL tradition. We had a few discussions about Gurdjieff - podcasts on sott.net - that you might find interesting.
 

vinny

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Laura said:
We had a few discussions about Gurdjieff - podcasts on sott.net - that you might find interesting.

try 'In Search of the Miraculous' podcast on this page, for starters:
http://www.sott.net/podcasts/listall?page=2
 

axj

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So Theun Mares died a few years ago and according to someone who was in his group, he was poisoned by one of the attendants of his workshop in Slovakia. Also, not long before this incident, he decided not to go ahead with that "Game of Life" computer game he was working on - the reason he gave was that no-one was interested in it.
 

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axj said:
So Theun Mares died a few years ago and according to someone who was in his group, he was poisoned by one of the attendants of his workshop in Slovakia. Also, not long before this incident, he decided not to go ahead with that "Game of Life" computer game he was working on - the reason he gave was that no-one was interested in it.

Any more details on that? Links?
 

dant

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search: "Theun Mares" 2011
_http://www.toltec-foundation.org/aboutTheun.asp

search: "Theun Mares" "Game of Life"
_http://sustainedreaction.yuku.com/topic/6548
 

Buddy

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dant said:
search: "Theun Mares" 2011
_http://www.toltec-foundation.org/aboutTheun.asp

search: "Theun Mares" "Game of Life"
_http://sustainedreaction.yuku.com/topic/6548

Those links led me to learn a lot about Théun Mares (pronounced Tayoon Mah-rez), but I've personally found no details on his death. Just one vague mention on a forum:

rosygyro:
well he got poisoned in slovakia didnt he?
someone turned up at the retreat behaved like a nasty tumbler and ended theuns path with an isotope or whatever,,
russians, slovakian mafia whoever, for whatever reason,
maybe just to see the spear fall out of his hand.
_http://sorcery.yuku.com/topic/4508#.UrdY7tJDuGM

Mares did talk about having enemies of a sort, like Gurdjieff described about himself, only some of Mares' seemed a bit more aggressive, violent or potentially violent:

_http://www.toltec-legacy.com/public/warning.html

Interestingly, after all this time, Mares doesn't even have a Wikipedia entry. The one that did exist had one main contributor, but said contributor deleted the page himself back in 2009:

Theun Mares
_http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theun_Mares (deleted 15 May 2009)


I would also be interested to know what the poster of the below quote meant by "The root is tainted":

Honesty counts in matters of spirit and by spirit I mean sincerity and deeper truth. Toltec teachings - being based upon false origins are lacking from the start when it comes to truthfulness. The root is tainted. Trying to use them to assert a greater truth creates a short circuit. So the result turns out to be neither spiritual or therapeutic.
_http://sustainedreaction.yuku.com/topic/6548/Theun-Mares-19522011?page=2#.UrdVH9JDuGM
 
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