Putin Recognizes Donbass Republics, Sends Russian Military to 'Denazify' Ukraine

Hmmm... I think whilst Putin handled the situation well, I wouldn't say he came out stronger. The fact that Prigozhin did what he did in the first place displayed a clear lack of respect of the authority of Putin. That in of itself is CRAZY.

I also have to be honest, the fact this guy isn't facing a criminal case again kind of shows he's above the law. I don't think this makes Putin look strong. At the minimum it shows he couldn't really touch Prigozhin because of the cult figure he has become and the best he could do was to try and reason with him and hope he agrees to go away.

We're all assuming he'll go to Belarus and keep quiet? What's his next stunt going to be? If he's crazy in the head, we should only assume the guy will try something else.

I think this is quite a delicate situation Putin is facing and he handled it well.
Real man fight then back down and shake the hands, small man will use all means to destroy another, deserved or not.
Progozin did a lot in this conflict and for russia in general, i think forgiveness is quite right in this case, he did mistake and did stupid things, but given his previous merits received mercy, next time may be diffrent
 
Avec mes modestes intelligence et connaissance, ce que je comprends de tout ce qui s'est passé hier, c'est que Wagner a permis à Vladimir Poutine de trier le bon grain de l'ivraie, ceux qui choisissent Wagner resteront avec Wagner et ceux qui choisissent Vladimir Poutine seront incorporés dans l'armée Russe...
L'Otan en restera pour ses frais malgré leurs railleries...

With my modest intelligence and knowledge, what I understand from everything that happened yesterday is that Wagner allowed Vladimir Putin to sort the wheat from the chaff, those who choose Wagner will stay with Wagner and those who choose Vladimir Putin will be incorporated into the Russian army...
NATO will remain at its expense despite their mockery...
 
BREAKING NEWS: shocking new information revealed

Annnnd, it's over!
Finally Ukraine's & CIA's hand was forced to be shown in their Great Plan of Overthrowing the Russian Government. The conspirator rats were baited out of the bushes: one armed group against Belarus started a video of urging to insurrection. This was an amazing tactical move by Team Putin! FSB will start interrogations of all anti-Kremlin rats participating in this scheme, in the military and political circles.
A translation from @DDgeopolitics of the latest comment from Ramzan Kadyrov. It is revealing to hear his experience and confirms other observations about Prigozhin.
1. Prigozhin spent 10 years in prison - 9:43 - for his [two] convictions, including armed robbery. Before that stint he did another term:
Who is Prigozhin? Putin’s chef?

1961: Born in Leningrad, USSR. Athlete school, cross-country skiing master

1981: Caught stealing in his early 20s, leading to a 9-year jail sentence

2. Wagner - as it turns out - did NOT perform that well in Bakhmut! 12:24 They had massive losses for one.. inevitable probably.
Furthermore: Russian military provided critical artillery, air and provisions support. Also Wagner did not swear oath to Russia! They did swear oath to Prigozhin!

3. 4 billion rubles stash were found in one Prigozhin's St. Petersburg office 8:40
Prigozhin stated:
- We have many of such [money]trucks!
..aaaAAnd who exactly we know are in the habit / fancy of throwing Suitcases of Money at political leaders of all countries in the world??

So, don't be surprised if a totally unexpected fatal accident happens to Great Wagner Cult Leader War Hero Prigozhin in the near future.. Because his Wagner Thugs shot down several Russian Air Force units killing pilots and crew, and as a result, the Russian Armed Forces will NEVER forgive him for this crime!
 
Hmmm... I think whilst Putin handled the situation well, I wouldn't say he came out stronger. The fact that Prigozhin did what he did in the first place displayed a clear lack of respect of the authority of Putin. That in of itself is CRAZY.

I also have to be honest, the fact this guy isn't facing a criminal case again kind of shows he's above the law. I don't think this makes Putin look strong. At the minimum it shows he couldn't really touch Prigozhin because of the cult figure he has become and the best he could do was to try and reason with him and hope he agrees to go away.

We're all assuming he'll go to Belarus and keep quiet? What's his next stunt going to be? If he's crazy in the head, we should only assume the guy will try something else.

I think this is quite a delicate situation Putin is facing and he handled it well.
He's going to prison, or worse. Russian govt needs time for things to settle. As u say, Prigozhin had a lot of support among the Russian people because of Wagner's success in Ukraine. At the same time, Wagner, and P in particular, have become a problem.

So how does Putin deal with that? He basically, "gives him enough rope to hang himself", allowing him to expose himself as a traitor in the eyes of the Russian people. Putin was in no way caught unaware by this. It was, instead, his plan to a large extent.

Does he come out stronger from this? You bet IMO, but not in the deluded minds of western powers and their idiot media, and all those who believe their nonsense.

Beau out.
 
Hmmm... I think whilst Putin handled the situation well, I wouldn't say he came out stronger. The fact that Prigozhin did what he did in the first place displayed a clear lack of respect of the authority of Putin. That in of itself is CRAZY.

I also have to be honest, the fact this guy isn't facing a criminal case again kind of shows he's above the law. I don't think this makes Putin look strong. At the minimum it shows he couldn't really touch Prigozhin because of the cult figure he has become and the best he could do was to try and reason with him and hope he agrees to go away.

We're all assuming he'll go to Belarus and keep quiet? What's his next stunt going to be? If he's crazy in the head, we should only assume the guy will try something else.

I think this is quite a delicate situation Putin is facing and he handled it well.

After reading all the post and thinking about Putin's main mission at this time, it seems that he kept his focus on the main goals and neutralized Prigozhin in the best manner possible at this time. That is not to say he doesn't have any future problems considered and planned for but in keeping the focus on the real matters at hand he has navigated this situation very well, IMO.
 
He's going to prison, or worse. Russian govt needs time for things to settle. As u say, Prigozhin had a lot of support among the Russian people because of Wagner's success in Ukraine. At the same time, Wagner, and P in particular, have become a problem.
Yep, and not because of any 'vendetta' on the part of the Russian authorities, either. Prigozhin appears to have entered into a descending octave, and no doubt will encounter a great many and varied difficulties in the near future.

Does he come out stronger from this? You bet IMO, but not in the deluded minds of western powers and their idiot media, and all those who believe their nonsense.
I saw an interview on ABC News Australia this afternoon where a so-called "expert" was interviewed to get the "comprehensive" view of events re: Wagner. The entire narrative was such a frenetic self-administration of copium that it was actually hilarious. It would have been difficult to come up with a perspective more diametrically opposite to the consensus developed in this thread. Prigozhin was actually touted as a future Russian presidential candidate rather than an ignominious clown who will likely disappear into obscurity in very short order.

I suppose they've got to get one last epic circle jerk in before Russia steamrolls Ukraine into the history books as another brief, failed experiment in statehood.
 
Could anything be right in the head of a being like that?

He seems at the core of this, to be motivated by ego / money / 'glory' and relishes the pleasure of unleashing his psychopathic tendencies on 'the enemy' standing as 'Commander in Chief' (in his own mind) of the 'real' army of Russia. At the same time he certainly does not seem to be motivated by genuine loyalty. It feels with this latest stunt that in many ways he is definitely wanting to be seen as 'the man' who is so powerful that he could 'bend Putin' to his will?

I wonder how he really feels about Putin. Did he really 'take this stand' purely because he has such deep loyalty to his own Wagner forces, that he believes they deserve more money, supplies, support and recognition? Does his heart 'break' and rage for his comrades and what they have risked their lives for? I don't believe that for a moment. He is clearly a very damaged being and has been for a long time... this blinds him in terms of how he is being manipulated by exterior forces. He thinks he knows what he is doing but he is so far out of his depth, IMHO.

In terms of this latest dance with Moscow, was Prigohzin paid a lot of money by the West to take this stand - perhaps with iron-clad assurances that if he followed through, there was the promise of more money - 'half now, half later' (silently followed by 'hopefully we won't have to pay that because you will be dead'). It sure feels to me that Prigohzin has been used as a vector to attack Putin directly - but at the same time there is more going on behind the scenes while Putin is occupied with this situation. Of course they will try anything to undermine Putin, ensuring the optics via MSM / social media echo chamber reinforce their mantra: 'he is a psychopathic murderous dictator who needs to be removed from power'... while they subversively set up their next chess move and hope he isn't noticing. Bit pathetic, given that Putin knew of those 'whispers of discontent' - along with the rest of the world - for months. Not much of a smokescreen for whatever they are trying to implement next.

Anyway, whatever stunts they try to pull next, clearly Putin is waaaayyyyy too smart to fall for them.

As the Cs say:
Lesson number 1: Always expect attack.
Lesson number 2: Know the modes of same.
Lesson number 3: Know how to counteract same.


Absolutely he emerges stronger... and brighter... yet the West will say he is 'weak'.

I see him as an artful warrior of light, who has a very, very difficult mission in this life.

In terms of his stance with the SMO, I often think of what Caesar said about his army in a session with the C's:

I suspect that Putin feels the loss of those who are a part of this warfare more keenly than he shows, but perhaps given the soul connection he has with Caesar, this is a part of why he also has the capacity to be so resolute. He is very thoughtful, intelligent and wise with his decisions, words and actions. I know he is still his own person, but I personally feel his connection with Caesar has been amplifying on some level... perhaps he is more deeply embodying part of Caesar's frequency. I feel his intuition getting stronger and clearer. I see it in his eyes, I feel it in his field. Yes, he has voices in his ear from those around him, but he also that of his own higher self. It seems clear that he knows they cannot ever deviate from this stand which has been taken, it is simply a case of how carefully they move forward, trying to minimise the loss of lives and unnecessary or inhumane suffering while they apply enough pressure to encourage a bunch of psychopaths to come to come to their senses (I know, oxymoron).

Putin has a lot of good souls around him, I feel (and many allies who keep a low profile for good reason). People with great hearts and wisdom, who see the reality of things with absolute clarity, who also have a great love of humanity. Putin and others stand and stare unflinching into the abyss of darkness that has done all it can to overwhelm and saturate this density. I think there are few people on this planet who are willing or able to do that.

Balance is coming, whether the Control System likes it or not... and Russia is clearly a part of that.

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I am surprised @ how much information differentiate for each one of us. Not going very deeply into all the information, I heard that Putin liked Prigohzin... I also remarked that both time when he made remarks, the reason was about his team being endangered first by the lack of ammunition and then helicopter firing at his team. His rant was about getting rid of two persons who seem to have resign after the "coup".
He is a successful business man but he is also with his men on the field. He has done excellent work that nobody else could have done IMO. And finally we are not in the know about what's happening. I am not going to speculate... I will just wait and see.
 
I am surprised @ how much information differentiate for each one of us. Not going very deeply into all the information, I heard that Putin liked Prigohzin... I also remarked that both time when he made remarks, the reason was about his team being endangered first by the lack of ammunition and then helicopter firing at his team. His rant was about getting rid of two persons who seem to have resign after the "coup".
He is a successful business man but he is also with his men on the field. He has done excellent work that nobody else could have done IMO. And finally we are not in the know about what's happening. I am not going to speculate... I will just wait and see.
Pat, I see it the same way, so far. Prigozhin, I don't see a selfish boor, I see a leader of men in the Wagner organization, and one dedicated to each and every one of them, if some of what I've seen is accurate over the last months. I am open to learning he is a self-seeking treasonous fellow, for sure. But I don't see it yet.

Simplicius the Thin wrote early on June 24th about the cheering crowds approving of Wagner as they started moving out of Rostov. (check out the video in the Substack article) He said there were many things said over the course and so far no videos on much of it. Simplicius doubted the sanity of Russian helicopter crews supposedly attacking the Wagner group and being shot down.

Quoted by Simplicius, written by another analyst:
..Sending helicopters to columns stuffed to the teeth with weapons, including air defense vehicles and MANPADS, is a suicidal action. This order is tantamount to an order to send planes now to bomb Kyiv.

Who ever decided that it would be any effective? Destroy a couple of machines out of a thousand?

I believe that the one who decided to use helicopters against the Wagner columns bears full responsibility for the "result".
Back to Simplicius' material:
Also, there was one initial report—which admittedly could be false and has never been verified—that the Russian commanders who initially sent the attack choppers to hit the Wagner column in fact told the helicopter pilots that this was an AFU incursion. In effect, that would mean they lied to and tricked the pilots by pretending that Ukraine was invading. If that’s true, then how much culpability do we assign to each side?

Prigozhin, if everyday people can and do come under attack by the PTB, at a minimum via HAARP and Com Towers, Prigozhin, IMO, would be in for a lot of attention from our 4D friends. Dealing with that energy could make it hard to be calm and diplomatic. The effects of 'mind control' on brain stems and hemispheres could be maddening. And calm and diplomatic is not what was needed in Bahkmut anyway. Putin with his sang froid absolutely amazes me, we read in a transcript he had a lot of help from himself in the future and had great awareness. For sure!

So, Wagner and Prigozhin are potentially responsible for something like 20-30 Russian pilot/crewmen deaths. Here were some of the battles.

A Ka-52 showcases its Vitebsk L-370 DIRCM system as it avoids a Wagner Strela AD missile:

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And here a Ka-52 reportedly strikes a Wagner convoy with a 9K121 Vikhr missile:

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Before we get to the next portion, to quickly summarize how the day went so that everyone can understand the events, allow me to quickly recount them.

Upon arriving in Rostov, Prigozhin took control of the southern military district’s command, and in essence held the top two generals hostage, Yunus-bek Yevkurov and Aleskeev while demanding to see Shoigu and Gerasimov:

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During the talk he accused them of betrayal for abandoning Kherson, Lyman, and various regions.

He also gave this statement:

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Next, Prigozhin apparently sent a smaller convoy led by his top deputy Dmitry Utkin towards Moscow. It appeared that the Kremlin was partly allowing them to come as perhaps a negotiations was setup and Utkin was to be Prigozhin’s mediator. The reason there’s some evidence for this is at least in part of the way, the convoy was being escorted by Russian police near Moscow, at least according to one video.

However, Russian civilians, police, and other institutions took matters into their own hands, blockading all the roads leading to Moscow. Police were seen requisitioning truck driver’s trucks and taking their keys then using the trucks to block the roadways. However, it is said Wagner’s forces barreled through such barricades unimpeded:

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Russian construction crews began to dig up highways and roads to stop Wagner’s convoy: (alleged photo in the article)

As I said I am very open to being wrong. It just doesn't yet all add up for me. Time will tell, as if changes in roles for Shoigu and Gerasimov. I can imagine if there is obvious and blatant incompetent actions from people causing many, many soldiers to die unnecessarily, one could get really steamed. Then again, there were other complaints in sequence before it seemed that was the final demand from Prigozhin.

Simplicius
 
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