The Living Force
Okay point takenark said:Observations of what? What kind of experience? Without explaining this - your opinion is useless. Like any other opinion.
Here it goes....
I first encountered The Book of Change as a teenager. From very early age I was drawn to esotheric. One of my childhood friends was what you might call psychic or person with a "gift". Only now in retrospect I realize this as most of his visions and predictions at the time of happy yugoslavia didnt make any sense and we all use to think he has lost it. As psychopatic events were unfolding later on I was every time shocked with his accuracy. In any case to cut the story short this guy has intoduced us all to I Ching. Slowly but surely - consulting Iching has has become my daily practice. I never took it as far as my other friends. I gues I had better safety mechanism then my friends. In any case throughout several years I use to consult the book regularly. The problem is the sentences in this book can always be interpreted in miriad of diferent ways. What better way then this to exercise wishfull thinking and please your ego. It took me some years but I finally realized this.
Then I forgot all about the book and I rediscovered it again in my late twenties. This time I thought I am more mature, more knowledgable so I will surely use it properly and be able to interpret its deliverations more accurately. Unfortunately the result was always the same. Just a wondeurfull exercise for imagination and self indulgence.
other people were less fortunate in their dealings with the book. The psychic firend couldnt start the day without consulting the book, it was clear that this has become unhealthy opssesion as for every single daily move no matter how trivial it was the book had to be consulted. Being very close to him I could observe carefully this strange relationship that has developed between him and the book. It was as if the book has taken totall control of his life. He was refering to it as a live entity which can be willful and sometimes even petty. We are talking about events that took place almost 20 years ago so I cant remeber all the details but I remeber that it was scary at times. Another member of our group of friends ended up the same. Throughout the years she has developed very unhealthy opsesive relationship with this book too.
Then I moved from my home city and slowly lost the contact with these people. Later on I heard that my friend has been institutionalised several times, tried to comit suicide and is now vegetating on heavy antipsychotics. The girl didnt fare better either, she has developed heroin addiction and is now supposed to be clean but she is indeed very far from being balanced and healthy individual. She still has strong relationship with the book.
Now, one could argue that this would happened anyway as these people were addictive personalities, that very few people remained sane in the terrible turmoils of civil war that took place there, but something tells me , and this is totally irrational , just a tiny voice from within, that tells me someohow book has something to do with all this, at least to certain extent.
And yes, there is another example, my cousin started playing with the book late in her life, she was almost thirty. Several months later she displayed psychotic behaviour and was institutionalized.
I am not saying the book was the reason, maybe it was just a triger, and this was final straw that made me form my opinion about the book.
What I personaly experienced when relating with this book is definitely that there is some powerful presence if not entity connected to it. At first its dormant but more you feed it with your thoughts, feelings - i.e energy more powerfull it becomes. And it is interested not in giving you any valid guidance but only in perpetuating this relationship.
Not always as its not easy, but I am trying my best. otherwise I wouldnt be here.ark said:
Maybe the fact that book makes it clear that you are supposed to treat it with utmost devotion and respect.ark said:What is ritualistic about I Ching. Without explaining it - your opinion is useless. Like any other opinion.
It also instructs you that you are supposed to keep it wrapped in special piece of textile ( preferably silk) and never keep it below shoulder level when its on the shelf.
maybe also the fact that you are suppose to bow three times to it everytime before you proceed with consultations.
Coins are to be kept in special container designated for this purpose only, preferably ceramic or of natural material. and nobody else but divinator must ever touch them. It is also advised to light inscense sticks when conducting the consultation.
There are many sources where I have so far read that rituals serve for better chanelling of energy,ark said:What observations? What "valuable insights? Without explaining it - your opinion is useless. Like any other opinion.
there was very interesting article I read on the net while ago (unfortunately I dont have habbit of keeping the bookmarks to every site) I think it came up once when I typed in - Reptilian Brain -and if I am not mistaken it was put up by Castaneda circle. In short they were saying that ritualistic bihaviour - and this implies also daily rituals like always shopping in exactly same shop, having lunch always at certain time etc. as main behqavioral component exibited by reptilian brain.
Rituals are also closely connected to hierarchy and it is my understanding that reptilian races trive on hierarchy.
if I am not mistaken Cs ' also advise against rituals
Well I think I was specific enough. What is the bottom line of need to use divination systems?ark said:Different people will use different divination systems for different purposes. You need to be specific. Otherwise your opinion is uselss.
Think about it. What is the desire that motivates almost everyone who resorts to divination system?
I agree the motive can deifinitley be thirst for knowledge but alas, how often does it not get corrupted with a desire for personal gain.
Thats what meant when I said a clever trap for ego.
Deckard said:This is how I see it:
The bottom line of any divination system be it tarot or The Book of Change lays in trying to find a shortcut to deal better with our evryday life.
Come on Ark do we really need to strech it this way. Dealing better with everyday life by doing some stretching with yoga or releiving stress with intense cardio is certainly one thing and peeking into the future and hence trying to gain advantage is most certainly diferent thing. In that sense i called it a shortcut.ark said:Shortcuts? Do you consider going for a walk to collect your thoughts or reading a poetry a shortcut too? Then, breathing is also a shortcut, right? You need to be specific and exact. Otherwise ....
It was you who reprimanded me once for trying to escape 3D OPS reality we live in (sun Gazing Topic) . I took this criticism very seriously and now it is my argument.
Okay I admit maybe you are more gifted then me. Just to demonstrate this ability of yours could you kindly tell me how do you understand the following paragraph:ark said:The only special skills required for I Ching is the ability to read and to understand what is written..
Oppression. Success. Perseverance.
The great man brings about good fortune.
When one has something to say,
It is not believed.
This one is a tricky one isnt it?
While there are some very str8forward ones there are also some whic are really contradictive.
To me this comes across as irony and generally I dont have high regard for such way of comunication. But then again I might be too sensitive...ark said:This is true, as not all people can read, and even less to understand and to make use of what they read..
I explained this before. But I can agree with you that this is true as long as you limit your interaction with the book to decypering of symbolism, nothing more then that. Also lets not forget, one doesn't play I CHing as it is not recreational gameark said:What is so dead-ended about using I Ching for helping you in your thinking? Some people open window to get fresh air. Some pray, some smoke, some read Agatha Christie, some play chess, some play I Ching. What's wrong with this?
Again I explained in my first remarksark said:Again, you are not specific. What "energy" are you talking about? You mean, you get exhausted when reading I Ching? This may tell something about you, but little about I Ching.
You know everysince that sungazing topic I noticed you never miss the opportunity to bash me.ark said:You asked for it - you got it. I apologize if my words seemed harsh to you but this is always a very tricky ground - confronting different systems of belief. :)
Several times I was really offended but then I tried to step out of egocentrism :) . Common sense is telling me that you cannot possibly have personal reasons to dislike me therefore I can only think of two other possibilities...
You either dont think I fit into this forum i.e. you look down on my level of intelligence and generally my ability to grasp the matters discussed here.
If this is the case I would be really sorry as I find this place as one of the few sane places left on this planet and in last couple of months I have developed quite a sense of belonging.
Now if this is the case I would appreciate your telling me as I am very bad at reading hidden messages in human interaction.
Finally if this is not the case please continue and bash me as hard as you can everytime I deserve so
after every such interaction I feel I have made a major leap in the proces of selfobservation and bettering of myself