anart said:
At this point, it has been so well-designed as an emotional trigger point that it is useless as proof of anything. The sleeping masses hear, 'they lied about the holocaust' and they hear one thing - 'antisemitic crazy person'. It's a losing battle - it was designed that way.
It is true that exposing the holo-hoax amongst the sleeping masses is an uphill battle much steeper and higher to overcome than even the 9/11 hoax. The flip side to this is that once people do discover that this is the biggest lie of the century, they have pretty much graduated with a PHD in how all of history is fabricated. If 9/11 truth is like the flood gates opening, holocaust truth is like the Three Gorges Dam bursting. After that, overturning all other historical falshoods is a piece of cake.
For what it's worth, it took me until this year, 2007, to set aside my emotional triggers to be willing to look into this touchy subject. There is a shift happening. More and more people, some of whom have had their minds opened by 9/11 truth, and some for other reasons, have been persuaded to overcome those barriers and learn the truth about the Big Lie.
Perhaps you're right that the general masses are nowhere near being ready for this level of paradigm exploding and that it would be counterproductive for us to try. But there is a growing population of alternative "conspiracy theorists" and truth seekers out there who are no longer imprisoned by mainstream control of history and information anymore who are discovering a lot of hidden history and educating themselves like never before with the information revolution facilitated by the internet and distributed media formats. Holocaust revisionist awareness is growing exponentialy right now and more and more intelligent and creative people are getting involved in producing holocaust revisionist books, videos, and web pages to spread the truth. A lot of the recent repression of Revisionists in Europe seems to have had the opposite effect of what was intended. Instead of shutting down the inquiry into the subject, lots of people have been made more curious about what all the fuss is about around this "holocaust denial" stuff and have decided to look into it themselves. It is only a matter of time before very creative and talented individuals start putting out high quality and persuasive holocaust revisionist videos that can open even more minds to the Big Lie. This one is a good start:
Nazi Shrunken Heads://www.onethirdoftheholocaust.com/nazishrunkenheads
anart said:
If people in the "9-11 truth movement" want to get to the truth, then they need to stop being vectored this way and that and study - and understand - psychopathy and Political Ponerology - pure and simple. Douglas Reed's work would be a great back up to that, by the way - http://www.cassiopedia.org/wiki/index.php?title=Douglas_Reed. If every member of the "9-11 Truth Movement" understood the enormous amount of information in Political Ponerology, then they might be able to make a difference.
I agree that PP is important to get out there and will help the masses imensely to understand what we are up against. I have been trying to spread the word myself about psychopathy and PP. But there is also a hunger people have to want to know specifics about the man behind the curtain and the other great lies of history. I think we can give people a little bit more credit and not worry so much about them not being ready for the whole ugly truth.
anart said:
Until then, it's all vectoring and distraction - including the 'revisionism' issue. As a matter of fact, since the stage managed aspect and control of the 'revisionism' issue is so well-developed, this is one of the least effective issues to put one's efforts behind - way too many programmed emotional barriers to get over in the general public.
Well, a similar argument could be made about 9/11 truth as you are making about the revisionist issue. Since it could be argued that most of the high profile 9/11 truthers are stage managed disinfo operatives, we don't stand a chance of not being drowned in disinfo. But, on the contrary, awareness of 9/11 truth continues to grow by leaps and bounds. The first 9/11 video I saw was "9/11 In Plane Site". Dave Von Kleist with his pod nonsense is obvious disinfo I realized over time. But, did that stop me and thousands (or millions) of other people who saw his video from navigating their way through the disinfo to become a 9/11 truther? Doesn't look like it to me. Yes, the 9/11 truth movement has been heavily infiltrated with disinfo operatives, but somehow that hasn't stopped the truth from getting out and awareness from spreading like a brush fire. When I look at the level of awareness today in the US as compared to just 2 years ago, it's pretty mind blowing what has happened since then, and that is also the phase of the history of the 9/11 truth movement in which more disinfo agents and infiltrators have appeared than ever before.
Again, I'm not saying that we should push this issue with anyone and everyone right now. But, at the same time, I don't think we should assume that the battle is lost before it has barely begun. The truth cannot be supressed forever, especially in the information age, and especially when dealing with such huge lies that are connected to the most important contemporary issues of the day, including the fraudulent war on terror.
One of the most popular 9/11 blogging web sites that I was involved with - 911blogger.com - was just taken over this month and open discussion is now moderated (censored). The reason seems to be primarily as a result of a growing consensus and spreading of awareness among the bloggers about the involvement of Zionists/Mossad with 9/11. When it comes to detailed and informed discussion of the historical crimes and deceptions of Israel and the agenda they are pursuing, and have pursued, the usually pro-First Amendment, liberal, left-wing Jewish media crowd will, all of a sudden, rally ‘round the flag (the blue and white one) and energetically begin supporting limits on speech or advocating outright censorship. Any discussion of historical facts regarding Israel and the modern ideology of Zionism are quickly labeled “hate speech." Any valid and serious research into “radical-Zionist" involvement in the 9/11/01 attacks in New York and the 7/7/05 London bus bombings is either labeled as “hate speech" or censored and shunned as “divisive" or “bad" for the “truth movement’s" own PR. It is also perfectly understandable that the 9/11 Truth Movement is controversial enough without adding to the mix the Big Taboo of talking about the ideology of Zionism or Israel and her geo-political agendas. However, if you actually seek the truth of these matters and you want to understand 9/11 and what is occurring in the world, you are going to have to ask yourself who had the means, the opportunities, and motives to wire those towers for demolition on 9/11. The planes did not bring down the towers. The planes were part of the operation’s False Flag element – “Arab hijackers did these things. We must therefore now wage endless wars on the Arabs." The breadcrumbs and clues around the demolitions of WTC 1, WTC2, and especially WTC7, however, lead right up to the front door of the “radical Zionist" club. If we weren’t onto the truth, they wouldn’t act this way.
With a high Israeli surveillance and/or subscribership percentage, this seemingly deliberate move to take away a large, centrally visited forum from the post-“controlled demolition phase" of 9/11 research and discussion is most likely what has occurred over at 911Blogger. Perhaps out of fear of Mossad, and it is a valid one, or fear of somehow offending the Jewish 9/11 truthers and audience, or legitimate fear of handing to the media the strawman bait of “anti-Semitism," a policy of censorship, tighter information control, and topic limitations has been adopted over at 911B. It seems that too many people were being educated about this dangerous truth. The censors may have succeeded in fracturing the bloggers at that web site and shutting down discussion of Zionist's role in 9/11 as well as the related issue of holocaust revisionism, but not before many more people bacame educated about the reality. And, it created an oportunity for many of the bloggers to create their own blogging sites where open discussion is allowed and to continue spreading the word about the Zionist/Mossad role in 9/11 (along with holocaust revisionism) to many more people. So, that seems to indicate that we are winning the battle for truth and the controllers are getting desperate.