Hillary Clinton

[ScioAgapeOmnis]

I am glad it is 'only part of the reason'. If you have it all figured out, that is good for you. I will wait and see.

Knowing that this world is owned and run by psychopaths has nothing to do with "having it all figured out". Making such a ridiculous statement suggests to me that you are emotionally reacting and not thinking. Also, If you don't know this pretty fundamental fact about our world, you haven't been paying any attention. If you do know it, then how can you reconcile this knowledge with the hope that a presidential candidate can make any difference, which would contradict this knowledge?

The fact of the matter is that Obama has already pledged his full support to Israel, and in the broader perspective, that is all you need to know in order to See that he will not, nor will any of the other 'candidates' change anything, objectively, for the 'better'.

Anart, I do not think "that is all I need to know".

Why not? Do you understand the role of Israel in the world today? If you do not, you have not been paying any attention.

I will base my judgment of his character on more than whether he supports Israel.

How can you base your judgement on the character of a psychopath, when his character is a mask?

In a city(D.C)/nation where the Israel lobby is so strong would you have him as a strategy say he doesn’t give a hoot for Israel?

Of course not, but there are a lot of things he can say that is a gray area between the 2 extremes of complete support for Israel and not giving a hoot.

Though, I can not speak for him, it is my opinion he really doesn’t give hoot about Israel. Religion is not a big “part” of his campaign or identity when compared to other candidates.

What does religion have to do with anything? This statement suggests to me that you really don't understand the role of Israel, and therefore the significance of Anart's statement that it really is all you need to know in a broader sense.

While it's perfectly ok to not know something because we're all ignorant of something, it looks to me that you do not even want to know since you did not bother to even ask why Anart would say such a thing, you just ruled it out as irrelevant and wrong without even raising an eyebrow.

It reminds me of the movie Armageddon where AJ had a conversation with the Russian guy, Lev:

AJ: Have you ever heard of Evil Knievel
Lev: No, I never saw Star Wars.

Lev doesn't just not know why AJ said that, but he didn't care to know, AND he made a silly assumption about it too.

If Ron Paul were to win, do you think he could make a difference? Possibly? How? He may/will have to cater to the PTB, however could he blow children to pieces with bombs? Could he shatter the lives of millions of families like Dick Cheney has? I think not........and that is the difference.

That's why he cannot win. And if he does, he will be blowing up children to pieces with bombs whether he likes it or not. Do you think Ron Paul is so naive to not know that he's not in charge? If he really thinks he can make a difference, he's very naive, he is completely ignorant of how the world works, and that is of course not someone that should be put in charge of a large country at all. If he knows he can't, if he knows he'll be just another puppet, then why is he running for president? It seems our 2 choices are - either he's an idiot, and so, incompetent to be president simply because of his lack of understanding of the world itself, or he consciously agrees to be a puppet of the PTB. What other options do you see?

Somebody mentioned that he is simply a distraction, to create the illusion that the system still works, that someone like Ron Paul can be running for president, and because he's even allowed to run, this proves that the system works, it is ok. If he doesn't win, it's because America isn't ready to elect him of course. All those who see the horrors of the world will be told to put their energy into supporting Ron instead of other activities that might actually have a chance to change something. I think that's the most likely scenario, that he's just another honey pot. Whether he knows this, or whether he's dumb enough to really think he has a chance sort of becomes irrelevant then, because his role wouldn't change.

In fact, if he has any brains at all, and any heart, he'll drop out completely of this race. He wouldn't want to distract people and give them false hope that he could possibly win. So either he has no brains, or no heart.

 

[ScioAgapeOmnis]

Actually having Ron Paul as president could be very advantageous to the PTB, as far as credibility goes.

On the same note, candidates lie all the time. Why would *anyone* ever believe a single word a presidential candidate utters after consistently seeing that what they promise and what they do are completely in different realities? Unless of course the promise itself is evil already - like supporting Israel, in which case they vehemently follow up with that and proclaim "see I follow up on my promises!". That's just dandy.

Just the fact that a candidate has to make any sort of promises to the people is laughable in the extreme. "Please trust me, I know all the presidents before me asked for your trust and totally betrayed it in the worst ways, but this time it'll be different I promise. Come on, trust me like you trusted everyone else!". Nobody who has any sanity or any empathy will ask 300 million people to blindly believe them on their word, which is what all presidential candidates are doing. Not to mention the very idea of "national security" and any kind of government secrets completely depends on the blind trust of the citizens that whatever the government does in secret is in our best interest. The government actually has the arrogance to ask 300 million people to blindly trust them. Why? How do we know that they won't do anything "bad" behind our backs? Because they promised not to, and they made puppy eyes! Duh!

This is one of the biggest jokes ever played on humanity. Just that this joke even exists means humanity is utterly out of its collective mind to even allow this. And just asking for such trust makes whoever is doing the asking very evil and the last person who should ever be given any trust with anything at all.

So any candidate that runs for president and says "Ok, this is what I will do" is already wrong for the job. It is utter insanity to depend on someone's word when it comes to running this country or any country. No, if we had any sense at all (which of course, we don't), we the people would make sure the president does exactly what we want him to do, so no promises would ever be necessary. No need to raise your hand and be sworn in. No need to put your hand on a "Bible" or any similar sillyness. When a scientist submits a scientific paper meant to prove something, why don't we just make him put his hand on the Bible and say he promises that his conclusions are the truth, so this way he doesn't have to actually prove anything at all? If we bring that idea up to the scientific community, we will be laughed out of the building. So how can the same thing happen for a much much more important thing - like running a whole country? Why isn't anyone laughed out of the building!? The joke is on us.

Besides being chosen at random from a pool of eligible citizens (screened for psychopathy), there should be a way to make sure that even if the president and the rest of the government wanted to, they could not harm the country. That's easy, they just gotta do only what we tell them to do, and account for every penny they collect from us, for every move they make. The white house should be "the truman show"! Instead of cameras tracking OUR every move like in Britain, there should be cameras tracking THEIR every move! At no point in our interaction with our government should trust even enter the picture. The only reason to screen the candidates beforehand and select them randomly is to save us, the citizens, the headache of having to consistently throw them out and replace them because he/she was a psychopath and attempted something silly - it's just a time saver.

At least that makes sense to me, and Ron and Obama and the rest are running to be part of a system that from the ground up is evil - not just because they "do bad things" but because the very structure and fundamental premise of how this system is designed to function is already totally psychopathic. The fact that people are not laughing all of this out of "the building" just demonstrates the effect of mass hypnosis aka the result of pathocracy.

If "terrorists" ever attack the country, instead of them telling us "what happened" and "what they plan to do about it" - WE should be telling them what happened, who did it, and what WE will be doing about it. I am absolutely for a puppet government - as long as they are puppets of the people that is.

 

[Redrock12]

I'm curious, AquariusRising, as to why you would choose to post your opinion on the merits of voting for a certain candidate on this forum at this time. If you are a constant visitor to this site, then you should at least grok a little and have rather more than a little or no understanding about subjects such as psychopathy, 4th way work, and the nature of the Matrix. As well, it seems you have never read the news articles or the "comments" on the signs page. If you did, I find it difficult to believe how you could hold such an uninformed and heavily biased view (at least in my estimation) of Barak Obama?
Not to mention that the responses you have gotten to your statements make obvious sense. Yet you persist in defending your position against all rational argument without any concrete refutation of said arguments.
I'm trying to understand why you persist in defending an argument that isn't defensible, and, to reiterate, why you choose this particular forum to do so?
Or maybe I'm missing something. :/

 

[AquariusRising]

I'd to thank you All for your comments, you can not imagine how much of a release I feel.
Yes, it’s become much clearer, now.

Goodbye.

 

[j0da]

Leaving for good? Nah, can't be.. Over Obama? Jeeez.

 

[Nawd]

Exactly my thoughts. Many people are spending their precious time watching Ron Paul's youtube videos and spamming people to vote for him.

Also I'm naturally non-trusting towards Medical Doctors. Normally they are very well settled into the programs of the PTB etc.

Somebody mentioned that he is simply a distraction, to create the illusion that the system still works, that someone like Ron Paul can be running for president, and because he's even allowed to run, this proves that the system works, it is ok. If he doesn't win, it's because America isn't ready to elect him of course. All those who see the horrors of the world will be told to put their energy into supporting Ron instead of other activities that might actually have a chance to change something. I think that's the most likely scenario, that he's just another honey pot. Whether he knows this, or whether he's dumb enough to really think he has a chance sort of becomes irrelevant then, because his role wouldn't change.

In fact, if he has any brains at all, and any heart, he'll drop out completely of this race. He wouldn't want to distract people and give them false hope that he could possibly win. So either he has no brains, or no heart.

 

[PopHistorian]

Hi AquariusRising -- I like that wordplay "democraps" and "repooplicans." I heard a talk-show host today, "Hitlery Clinton."

BTW, your dream ticket of Obama/Edwards are both CFR members, as is Obama's wife (check out the video in one of the links below). Obama sounds very hawkish (read quote below). I don't think there's any question that the whole thing is locked up and we will have a new administration that toes the line. All other leading candidates (except Ron Paul), by the way, are CFR members, too. That should be enough to put anyone off. CFR represents interests of the global elite and its members figure prominently in PNAC, who wrote the doctrine of pre-emptive war for Bush. Some links I found in a few seconds:

... you should know which of the 2008 candidates, and potential candidates, are current members of this organization... They are:

Fred Thompson Michael Bloomberg Rudy Giuliani John McCain Mitt Romney Jim Gilmore
Newt Gingrich Hillary Clinton Barack Obama John Edwards Joe Biden Chris Dodd
Bill Richardson

Ron Paul is one of the few candidates who are not members of the CFR. [...]

The true purpose, plan and conspiracy of the CFR:

“The Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) …believes national boundaries should be obliterated and one-world rule established.”
- Carroll Quigley, member of Council on Foreign Relations (CFR), mentor to Bill Clinton

“The main purpose of the Council on Foreign Relations is promoting the disarmament of U.S. sovereignty and national independence and submergence into an all powerful, one world government.”
- Admiral Chester Ward, former CFR member and Judge Advocate General of the U.S. Navy [...]

“For a long time I felt that FDR had developed many thoughts and ideas that were his own to benefit this country, the USA. But he didn’t. Most of his thoughts, his political ‘ammunition,’ as it were, was carefully manufactured for him in advance by the Council on Foreign Relations-One World Money Group.”
- Curtis Dall, ex-President Franklin Roosevelt’s son-in-law

“Let us face reality. The framers (of the Constitution) have simply been too shrewd for us. They have outwitted us. They designed separate institutions that cannot be unified by mechanical linkages, frail bridges, (or) tinkering. If we are to turn the founders upside down… we must directly confront the Constitutional structure they erected.”
- James MacGregor Burns, Council on Foreign Relations member, 1984

“The sovereignty fetish is still so strong in the public mind, that there would appear to be little chance of winning popular assent to American membership in anything approaching a super-state organization. Much will depend on the kind of approach which is used in further popular education.”
- 1944 Council on Foreign Relations Report

“The powers of financial capitalism had (a) far-reaching aim, nothing less than to create a world system of financial control in private hands able to dominate the political system of each country and the economy of the world as a whole. This system was to be controlled in a feudalist fashion by the central banks of the world acting in concert, by secret agreements arrived at in frequent meetings and conferences. The apex of the systems was to be the Bank for International Settlements in Basel, Switzerland, a private bank owned and controlled by the world’s central banks which were themselves private corporations. Each central bank…sought to dominate its government by its ability to control Treasury loans, to manipulate foreign exchanges, to influence the level of economic activity in the country, and to influence cooperative politicians by subsequent economic rewards in the business world.”
- Carroll Quigley, member of Council on Foreign Relations (CFR), mentor to Bill Clinton, quote from “Tragedy and Hope”, 1966

“The Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) has just let the cat out of the bag about what’s really behind our trade agreements and security partnerships with the other North American countries. A 59-page CFR document spells out a five-year plan for the ’security community’ with a common ‘outer security perimeter…. [ie] wide-open U.S. borders between the U.S., Mexico and Canada… at this … meeting [3-23-05]… President Bush pinned the epithet ‘vigilantes’ on the volunteers guarding our border in Arizona… the CFR document calls for ‘a seamless North American market’ and for ‘the extension of full labor mobility to Mexico.’… adopting a ‘tested once’ principle for pharmaceuticals, by which a product tested in Mexico will automatically be considered to have met U.S. standards…. putting illegal aliens into the U.S. Social Security system, which is bound to bankrupt the system. … a major fund to finance 60,000 Mexican students to study in U.S. colleges…. supervision by a North American Advisory Council of ‘eminent persons’.”
- The Council on Foreign Relations (CFR)

“We shall have World Government, whether or not we like it. The only question is whether World Government will be achieved by conquest or consent.”
- Statement made before the United States Senate on Feb. 7, 1950 by James Paul Warburg son of Paul Warburg who wrote the Federal Reserve Act, and nephew of Max Warburg who had financed Hitler.

“We are grateful to the Washington Post, the New York Times, Time magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected the promises of discretion for almost forty years. It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subject to the bright lights of publicity during those years. But, the world is now more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world-government. The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the National auto-determination practiced in past centuries”
- David Rockefeller, Member CFR, in an address to a Trilateral Commission meeting in June of 1991

“For more than a century ideological extremists at either end of the political spectrum have seized upon well-publicized incidents such as my encounter with Castro to attack the Rockefeller family for the inordinate influence they claim we wield over American political and economic institutions. Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as ‘internationalists’ and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure – one world, if you will. If that’s the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it.”
- David Rockefeller, of Standard Oil, Chase Manhattan and the Council on Foreign Relations, from his Memoirs in 2002.

“We are not going to achieve a new world order without paying for it in blood as well as in words and money.”
- Arthur Schlesinger, Jr., in Foreign Affairs (July/August 1995)

“The New World Order will have to be built from the bottom up rather than from the top down…but in the end run around national sovereignty, eroding it piece by piece will accomplish much more than the old fashioned frontal assault.”
- Richard Gardner, CFR member writing in the April l974 issue of the CFR’s journal, Foreign Affairs.

“We can’t be so fixated on our desire to preserve the rights of ordinary Americans..”
- President Bill Clinton, CFR Member USA Today–3-11-93 [...]

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Members of WeAreChange Central Florida say that Michelle Obama is a director of the Chicago branch of the CFR. They have a video on this page in which Obama ignores the question, "Is your wife
a member of the CFR?"

_http://www.jonesreport.com/articles/290807_obama_cfr.html

Notable Republicans of the CFR: Mitt Romney, Rudy Giuliani, John McCain, Fred Thompson, Newt Gingrich...

Notable Democrats of the CFR: Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, John Edwards, Chris Dodd, Bill Richardson

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CFR Stacks The Deck With Both Democrat And Republican Presidential Candidates

_http://www.thought-criminal.org/2007/08/15/cfr-stacks-the-deck-with-both-democrat-and-republican-presidential-candidates

In a recent speech given to the American Israeli Political Action Committee, Obama outlines a plan for U.S. hegemony. He suggests polarizing political alignments that are already breeding anti-U.S. sentiment. Specifically, Obama pledges unfaltering military support to Israel. The U.S. has long supported Israel - this year they were given $30 billion for defense of the young state. To put this in perspective, less than $7 billion has been federally granted to rebuild homes destroyed after hurricane Katrina. Although the U.S. has always given billions in aid to Israel, his alliance backs preemptive strikes against countries deemed a threat.

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CFR Members in Presidential Race

_http://www.connorboyack.com/blog/council-on-foreign-relations

... members of the CFR have filled key positions in every presidential administration for the past fifty years. The list of members is quite extensive and features many prominent individuals. Notable as well are the presidential candidates who are members as well:

* Hillary Clinton * Rudy Giuliani * Barack Obama * Fred Thompson * Chris Dodd
* Mitt Romney * John Edwards * Joe Biden * John McCain * Bill Richardson

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Obama speaks at event presented by CFR

_http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9902626, also _http://www.nowpublic.com/obama-cfr

“Few people understand these challenges better than the co-founder of the cooperative threat reduction program, my colleague and the chairman of the Foreign Relations Committee Dick Lugar,” Obama told the crowd at an event Tuesday hosted by the Council on Foreign Relations in Washington.

“If anybody has ever accompanied Sen. Lugar on a trip, you know that he is a rock star wherever he goes,” he added. That use of a term more often applied to Obama himself drew a laugh from the staid foreign policy elders.

“The demand for these weapons has never been greater,” Obama warned. “Right now rogue states and despotic regimes are looking to begin or accelerate their own nuclear programs.”

It sounded like the rationale the Bush administration offered in the months leading up to the invasion of Iraq...

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Edwards speaks at event presented by CFR

_http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/05/23/AR2007052301499_pf.html

Edwards, in a speech at the Council on Foreign Relations in New York, called the Bush terrorism doctrine a "sledgehammer" that has created more terrorists than it has eliminated. Edwards did not address the fact that he used the phrase "war on terror" during the 2004 campaign.

"The war on terror is a slogan designed only for politics -- it is not a strategy to make America safe," Edwards said . "It is a bumper sticker, not a plan....

 

[Mr. Premise]

Nice collection of quotes, Adpop.

The funny thing about Carroll Quigley is that he thought that what he described about the elite was a good thing. He wasn't a critic of The Plan at all.

 

[neema]

Well personally I hope Bush declares a national emergency and cancels elections so he can be the "decider" for life. That way it might create the necessary shock for the illusion to break for enough people that maybe more people will seek for the true nature of the problem (Ponerology). If anyone else wins especially someone like Ron Paul or Barack Obama, it will be very bad because more people will sleep thinking exactly what you are thinking AquariusRising. Osit.

Also just wondering if you are Afro American. And please understand I mean no disrespect only perhaps if you are, then that might be where you might be blocked. The only reason I mention it is a very close friend (afro-American), whom usually can “see” the problems with politics in general, is heads over heals over the idea of Barack Obama being the first Afro American president, and how he will be at least better for USA.

Just some thoughts.

 

[Cosmos]

here is another of Hillarys infamous conscienceless laughs:

(UNBELIVEABLE) Hillary Clinton laughs about possible war against iran:
_http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvhBoF_pCHo

and listen closely to what she and the guy next to her are saying while they laugh so unrestrained!

I quote Hillary:

we are working hard [to start the war]

and another quote of her:

and then frankly there are those who are saying the best thing that can happen to us is to be attacked by somebody, you know just bring it on, because it would unify us, it would legitimize the regime....

 

[loreta]

here is another of Hillarys infamous conscienceless laughs:

(UNBELIVEABLE) Hillary Clinton laughs about possible war against iran:
_http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvhBoF_pCHo

and listen closely to what she and the guy next to her are saying while they laugh so unrestrained!

I quote Hillary:

we are working hard [to start the war]

and another quote of her:

and then frankly there are those who are saying the best thing that can happen to us is to be attacked by somebody, you know just bring it on, because it would unify us, it would legitimize the regime....

She is so devilish. And vulgar, without education. She is ugly and her ugliness is coming from inside. What a mad woman and a crazy politician she is! Makes me ...


And the laughs of the public! Terrible.
Thanks for the link.

 

[Joe]

here is another of Hillarys infamous conscienceless laughs:

(UNBELIVEABLE) Hillary Clinton laughs about possible war against iran:
_http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvhBoF_pCHo

and listen closely to what she and the guy next to her are saying while they laugh so unrestrained!

I quote Hillary:

we are working hard [to start the war]

and another quote of her:

and then frankly there are those who are saying the best thing that can happen to us is to be attacked by somebody, you know just bring it on, because it would unify us, it would legitimize the regime....

I tell ya, that woman is pure, unfettered EVIL!

 

[lwu02eb]

Extremely disturbing and disgusting beyond words. These depraved psychopaths are outright telling people what they are doing and the audience is laughing?!? I don't know which is worse.

 

[Denis]

Extremely disturbing and disgusting beyond words. These depraved psychopaths are outright telling people what they are doing and the audience is laughing?!? I don't know which is worse.

People in the audience are morons, plain and simple!

 

[loreta]

Extremely disturbing and disgusting beyond words. These depraved psychopaths are outright telling people what they are doing and the audience is laughing?!? I don't know which is worse.

People in the audience are morons, plain and simple!

Morons surely but also brain-wash. Like little robots. They find Mrs. Devil funny, cute... They remind me the people who adored Hitler, cried when he talked and also laughed at his words... People without brain at all. They are morons but they are, even if they don't seem, very dangerous. As dangerous as Mrs. Devil. That I think so. And to ear them laughing is horrible.