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Christophera
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Greetings,
I joined here some time ago but have not posted as I have been assembling some pages on research of 9-11 disinformation to present. My efforts to expose the BIG (1368 foot) FEMA lie regarding the concrete core of the towers has been an excellent gauge of the sincerity of truth seekers and very educational. I'm hoping to find some reasonable people who can use raw evidence and logic regarding towers and the human mind to escape the stigma that the disinfomation campaign of 9-11 has targeted and form some unity that is effective.
I found some very good thinking here regarding 9-11 disinformation and so wanted to bring a larger perspective if possible. My pages on disinformation can start here.
http://algoxy(dot)com/psych/whatis9-11disinformation.html
The demolition site is here,
http://algoxy(dot)com/psych/9-11scenario.html
The page documenting the concrete core is here,
http://algoxy(dot)com/conc/core.html
They are all linked now anyway but I've provided these links to make it easier for members here to access them.
I will say that a few nights ago I watched "V for Vendetta" for the first time and find the spirit therein appropriate for this forum and congratulate whoever used the theme here. Inspirational film art to be sure, a hgher use of art altogether.
I found the discourse on Bollyns possible role in 9-11 discussed here intriguing. Many very good observations and perspectives generally into the behaviors and our dilemma of creating an environment of truth amongst ourselves on this issue of 9-11. For the record I define truth as the meaning of something to each of us rather than strictly facts which define events. This allows us all to have our own truth. The Bollyn issue seemed a good place to start with piecing together an inclusive, logical perspective of an over all campaign regarding long term factors regarding a event not well known in its origins at all, 9-11.
From a perspective which a renegade behavioral anthropologist of 1970 might have, if such were allowed to exist in that area of academia ever, I would try to share an understanding of; shamanic origin in the keeping of oral histories with deep trance states and sun worship as a real and dominant part of history. A history verifiable by psychology and research into the unconscious potential of the human mind. This knowledge has always been dissociated through distortions by labeling, exploitation of fear of a highly manipulated society for centuries, the word "occult" etc. ad nauseam from the inquisitions and further.
Now, ........ from the perspective of that impossible anthropologist, abandoned 35 years ago, I'll strive to show what could have been seen then IF our government and society was not controlled by unreasonable fear which stopped academia cold. There was a moment when anthropology/psychology turned from the proper actions of investigation and understanding of the ancient shamanic knowledge and associated implications from its logically vital position in academia, and instead went in directions of a removed study or comment on/on behaviorology that matched by avoidance the "PRODUCT" of the rewriting of history or removal of the truth of the quasi official and un official, societies of the old world.
There was not a lot of information even then, but enough, I remember the last of it leaving in the 1950's. This link speaks of when and how it went.
http://www.realityzone.com/hiddenagenda2.html
It is about a large conspiracy to rewrite history and permeate the educational system with the revision which has its own role but not a topic here. Just a fact and this topic endeavors to be about the ORIGINAL history rather than the rewrite, or how its revision has effected our ability to detect the true forces at work or the scale they are on, in time.
There is a reason the factual past of human history was effectively removed. First the history that was re written was not wanted. Many families had shame and fear dominating for centuries their thoughts of the true past in anyway, when it ever occurred to them. All of that has been used in a massive, slow move to get the western world to relinquish almost completely, the last thread of something which was not well understood to begin with.
Discarded knowledge, recovered and abused, I feel certain, by dark forces in a well known high level CIA program called mkultra.
Did we ever wonder WHY mkultra was enacted? We heard about a number of bizarre events and apparently thousands of Americans were influenced in some way psychologically with perhaps no awareness it was happening. We didn't hear a whole lot more.
What if the entire scene is as Laura says in 13) below?
(From 13)
Laura wrote:
"Did you think that, with the power of the internet to reach millions of people that the "powers that be" would have ignored the necessity of installing a "Greek Chorus" on the net or in the 911 Truth Movement?"
As Laura suggests a perspective, I modify and suggest mkultra was how the "Chorus" was scripted.
I realize as rs says in 1), I'm going way further than Bollyn went if marginalization is the criteria, because the inferences I draw, and potential I contend do exist are more outlandish than any Bollyn has ever presented. However, 3,000 are dead and private investigations were blocked from evidence which was removed illegally after the air force went on exercise and the WTC plans are hidden in the ex NYC mayors warehouse after two very strong towers went down identically at near free fall; so maybe there is a reason to consider what I have to say even though the current conditions in the 9-11 expose world are tumultuous as least.
Since this is an action of understanding before it is anything else, I seriously feel that the most evolved perspective on all of this exposure of these secret acts (unconscious is better than secret), is that all of the actors are victims of the publics fear and ignorance. We, and our ancestors, are the ones that ignored the potentials rather than engaging our own campaign of light in opposition of the dark forces. It was us that embraced the fear (disabling the anthropologist) rather than the knowledge and so made an environment where these people have been used. I advocate compassion towards them because of what they were perhaps subjected to unconsciously as children.
Let me outline a pattern which can be seen in it's "staged appearance". All the quotes below show prominence that could simply be enabled in its visual capacity on the internet by false promotion of the actors that have the controversial/intrigue behaviors we see which are designed to be distracting from the useful issues of 9-11, or further mislead and prevent the development of any position and action from the public position. My contention is that these things can be created by collusion unconsciously directed but yet will be well coordinated conditionally by key people who are triggered to act in sequence reciprocally.
That pattern could extend fully to the creation of a large number of the influential actors of the 9-11 truth movement. I would propose that a logical criteria for 9-11 activists is, "It is not what is said, it is what is done" on that path to coming up with actual explanations for what happened on 9-11, or conversely, by omission, "what is not done" which also happens to prevent an explanation.
Thnak you sincerely for your comments,
Christopher A. Brown
1) rs
One way to discredit the 911 truth movement is to make outlandish claims "in support of the truth (i.e. that there was a conspiracy)" which get proven to be either highly exaggerated or false. This goes to support that whole "its just those conspiracy nuts" idea.
2)dhess31
I see it as a veiled (or maybe not-so-veiled) warning to other people (like us) who know about Israel's involvement in 9/11. You know, the whole "We are watching and coming for you unless you shut-up" deal.
3)Laura
He uses the terms "safe houses" and talks about "staying on the move" as though he was the one and only person who is investigating 911 and as though HIS info is so deadly that he has to live that way. A bit dramatic, don't you think? Has he really produced anything more or better than any other researcher?
4)Laura
It's interesting to consider in light of what Bollyn was later writing regarind Israel where he spent "several summers" working as a lifeguard at a kibbutz. Question is: was he sent in to infiltrate AFP???
5)Laura
Question is why is he creating this drama?
6)Laura
All just speculations, but I still find it difficult to imagine a probable high-maintenance looker like Helje married to an alternative news writer/911 investigator like Bollyn who evidences some serious psychological issues here.
7)apeguia
Maybe he's working (consciously or not) for a faction within the US that wants Israel exposed? You know, just as we suspect there's a faction working for Israel that blames 9/11 on the US and talks about NO plane on Pentagon, but never mentions Israel, as a sort of blackmailing the US government.
8)hkoehli
Daryl Smith/Eric Hufschmid inaccurately state that it is the police report on their website.
9)heiho1
The article goes on but the impetus is clear in that Michael Ruppert is claiming that government agents orchestrated violence and theft against him and that his only possible solution was to leave the country...or die.
10)anart
I think the second sentence has been true since he was accused of sexually harrassing his employee, then fired her,
11)nktulloch
When I read the piece I thought, gee, info about psychopathy, the zionist angle with 911 and cases of COINTELPRO was being discussed all over the web. If people are starting to seriously wonder about the zionist connection would the PTB not try to muddy the waters so no one would figure things out. I wonder if by implicating ADL and by extension Isreal in this attack would we later learn that it was fake so that they can later on discredit anyone that brings in the zionist angle. It would be something COINTELPRO would do and is what I felt while reading his story but I also just recently finished reading the ostrovsky book so in my mind 'by way of deception' was written all over his claims.
12)Lucy:
Laura wrote:
It also seems to me that these people are "faking attacks" on themselves to legitimize their nonsense.
Dave McGowan in his latest newsletter, says
how is it that a seasoned police detective could do such an amateurish job of staging a crime scene?
The link he provides of Rupert's buglarized office shows various inconsistencies IMO.
I like the title of Dave's latest newsletter:
"Oh Mikey, You Gotta Lotta Splainin' to Do!"
13)Laura:
The problem is, if there is a psychopath - or those with related characteropathies - who doesn't know hot to keep good eye contact when lying, they haven't been born. Eye contact is "universally known" to be a sign of truth-telling. The problem is liars will fake anything that it is possible to fake, so in reality, eye contact is absolutely NOT a sign of truth telling.
This is an issue that will never die. It seems impossible to convince people that private behavior cannot be predicted from public behavior. Kind, nonviolent individuals behave well in public, but so do predators, rapists, murderers, pedophiles and COINTELPRO agents who help to shape the culture in which we live. No, they weren't always called COINTELPRO, but the principle is the same. It has been used since time immemorial. The earliest written records we have are of "clappers" in the audiences of theaters in ancient Greece. What do you think the term "Greek Chorus" means? We have exactly that in the present day in the form of the mainstream media. Did you think that, with the power of the internet to reach millions of people that the "powers that be" would have ignored the necessity of installing a "Greek Chorus" on the net or in the 911 Truth Movement?
14)Laura:
What motive does anyone have in this world to stage anything, including 911?
What motive would Bollyn have for misrepresenting the whole thing?
I joined here some time ago but have not posted as I have been assembling some pages on research of 9-11 disinformation to present. My efforts to expose the BIG (1368 foot) FEMA lie regarding the concrete core of the towers has been an excellent gauge of the sincerity of truth seekers and very educational. I'm hoping to find some reasonable people who can use raw evidence and logic regarding towers and the human mind to escape the stigma that the disinfomation campaign of 9-11 has targeted and form some unity that is effective.
I found some very good thinking here regarding 9-11 disinformation and so wanted to bring a larger perspective if possible. My pages on disinformation can start here.
http://algoxy(dot)com/psych/whatis9-11disinformation.html
The demolition site is here,
http://algoxy(dot)com/psych/9-11scenario.html
The page documenting the concrete core is here,
http://algoxy(dot)com/conc/core.html
They are all linked now anyway but I've provided these links to make it easier for members here to access them.
I will say that a few nights ago I watched "V for Vendetta" for the first time and find the spirit therein appropriate for this forum and congratulate whoever used the theme here. Inspirational film art to be sure, a hgher use of art altogether.
I found the discourse on Bollyns possible role in 9-11 discussed here intriguing. Many very good observations and perspectives generally into the behaviors and our dilemma of creating an environment of truth amongst ourselves on this issue of 9-11. For the record I define truth as the meaning of something to each of us rather than strictly facts which define events. This allows us all to have our own truth. The Bollyn issue seemed a good place to start with piecing together an inclusive, logical perspective of an over all campaign regarding long term factors regarding a event not well known in its origins at all, 9-11.
From a perspective which a renegade behavioral anthropologist of 1970 might have, if such were allowed to exist in that area of academia ever, I would try to share an understanding of; shamanic origin in the keeping of oral histories with deep trance states and sun worship as a real and dominant part of history. A history verifiable by psychology and research into the unconscious potential of the human mind. This knowledge has always been dissociated through distortions by labeling, exploitation of fear of a highly manipulated society for centuries, the word "occult" etc. ad nauseam from the inquisitions and further.
Now, ........ from the perspective of that impossible anthropologist, abandoned 35 years ago, I'll strive to show what could have been seen then IF our government and society was not controlled by unreasonable fear which stopped academia cold. There was a moment when anthropology/psychology turned from the proper actions of investigation and understanding of the ancient shamanic knowledge and associated implications from its logically vital position in academia, and instead went in directions of a removed study or comment on/on behaviorology that matched by avoidance the "PRODUCT" of the rewriting of history or removal of the truth of the quasi official and un official, societies of the old world.
There was not a lot of information even then, but enough, I remember the last of it leaving in the 1950's. This link speaks of when and how it went.
http://www.realityzone.com/hiddenagenda2.html
It is about a large conspiracy to rewrite history and permeate the educational system with the revision which has its own role but not a topic here. Just a fact and this topic endeavors to be about the ORIGINAL history rather than the rewrite, or how its revision has effected our ability to detect the true forces at work or the scale they are on, in time.
There is a reason the factual past of human history was effectively removed. First the history that was re written was not wanted. Many families had shame and fear dominating for centuries their thoughts of the true past in anyway, when it ever occurred to them. All of that has been used in a massive, slow move to get the western world to relinquish almost completely, the last thread of something which was not well understood to begin with.
Discarded knowledge, recovered and abused, I feel certain, by dark forces in a well known high level CIA program called mkultra.
Did we ever wonder WHY mkultra was enacted? We heard about a number of bizarre events and apparently thousands of Americans were influenced in some way psychologically with perhaps no awareness it was happening. We didn't hear a whole lot more.
What if the entire scene is as Laura says in 13) below?
(From 13)
Laura wrote:
"Did you think that, with the power of the internet to reach millions of people that the "powers that be" would have ignored the necessity of installing a "Greek Chorus" on the net or in the 911 Truth Movement?"
As Laura suggests a perspective, I modify and suggest mkultra was how the "Chorus" was scripted.
I realize as rs says in 1), I'm going way further than Bollyn went if marginalization is the criteria, because the inferences I draw, and potential I contend do exist are more outlandish than any Bollyn has ever presented. However, 3,000 are dead and private investigations were blocked from evidence which was removed illegally after the air force went on exercise and the WTC plans are hidden in the ex NYC mayors warehouse after two very strong towers went down identically at near free fall; so maybe there is a reason to consider what I have to say even though the current conditions in the 9-11 expose world are tumultuous as least.
Since this is an action of understanding before it is anything else, I seriously feel that the most evolved perspective on all of this exposure of these secret acts (unconscious is better than secret), is that all of the actors are victims of the publics fear and ignorance. We, and our ancestors, are the ones that ignored the potentials rather than engaging our own campaign of light in opposition of the dark forces. It was us that embraced the fear (disabling the anthropologist) rather than the knowledge and so made an environment where these people have been used. I advocate compassion towards them because of what they were perhaps subjected to unconsciously as children.
Let me outline a pattern which can be seen in it's "staged appearance". All the quotes below show prominence that could simply be enabled in its visual capacity on the internet by false promotion of the actors that have the controversial/intrigue behaviors we see which are designed to be distracting from the useful issues of 9-11, or further mislead and prevent the development of any position and action from the public position. My contention is that these things can be created by collusion unconsciously directed but yet will be well coordinated conditionally by key people who are triggered to act in sequence reciprocally.
That pattern could extend fully to the creation of a large number of the influential actors of the 9-11 truth movement. I would propose that a logical criteria for 9-11 activists is, "It is not what is said, it is what is done" on that path to coming up with actual explanations for what happened on 9-11, or conversely, by omission, "what is not done" which also happens to prevent an explanation.
Thnak you sincerely for your comments,
Christopher A. Brown
1) rs
One way to discredit the 911 truth movement is to make outlandish claims "in support of the truth (i.e. that there was a conspiracy)" which get proven to be either highly exaggerated or false. This goes to support that whole "its just those conspiracy nuts" idea.
2)dhess31
I see it as a veiled (or maybe not-so-veiled) warning to other people (like us) who know about Israel's involvement in 9/11. You know, the whole "We are watching and coming for you unless you shut-up" deal.
3)Laura
He uses the terms "safe houses" and talks about "staying on the move" as though he was the one and only person who is investigating 911 and as though HIS info is so deadly that he has to live that way. A bit dramatic, don't you think? Has he really produced anything more or better than any other researcher?
4)Laura
It's interesting to consider in light of what Bollyn was later writing regarind Israel where he spent "several summers" working as a lifeguard at a kibbutz. Question is: was he sent in to infiltrate AFP???
5)Laura
Question is why is he creating this drama?
6)Laura
All just speculations, but I still find it difficult to imagine a probable high-maintenance looker like Helje married to an alternative news writer/911 investigator like Bollyn who evidences some serious psychological issues here.
7)apeguia
Maybe he's working (consciously or not) for a faction within the US that wants Israel exposed? You know, just as we suspect there's a faction working for Israel that blames 9/11 on the US and talks about NO plane on Pentagon, but never mentions Israel, as a sort of blackmailing the US government.
8)hkoehli
Daryl Smith/Eric Hufschmid inaccurately state that it is the police report on their website.
9)heiho1
The article goes on but the impetus is clear in that Michael Ruppert is claiming that government agents orchestrated violence and theft against him and that his only possible solution was to leave the country...or die.
10)anart
I think the second sentence has been true since he was accused of sexually harrassing his employee, then fired her,
11)nktulloch
When I read the piece I thought, gee, info about psychopathy, the zionist angle with 911 and cases of COINTELPRO was being discussed all over the web. If people are starting to seriously wonder about the zionist connection would the PTB not try to muddy the waters so no one would figure things out. I wonder if by implicating ADL and by extension Isreal in this attack would we later learn that it was fake so that they can later on discredit anyone that brings in the zionist angle. It would be something COINTELPRO would do and is what I felt while reading his story but I also just recently finished reading the ostrovsky book so in my mind 'by way of deception' was written all over his claims.
12)Lucy:
Laura wrote:
It also seems to me that these people are "faking attacks" on themselves to legitimize their nonsense.
Dave McGowan in his latest newsletter, says
how is it that a seasoned police detective could do such an amateurish job of staging a crime scene?
The link he provides of Rupert's buglarized office shows various inconsistencies IMO.
I like the title of Dave's latest newsletter:
"Oh Mikey, You Gotta Lotta Splainin' to Do!"
13)Laura:
The problem is, if there is a psychopath - or those with related characteropathies - who doesn't know hot to keep good eye contact when lying, they haven't been born. Eye contact is "universally known" to be a sign of truth-telling. The problem is liars will fake anything that it is possible to fake, so in reality, eye contact is absolutely NOT a sign of truth telling.
This is an issue that will never die. It seems impossible to convince people that private behavior cannot be predicted from public behavior. Kind, nonviolent individuals behave well in public, but so do predators, rapists, murderers, pedophiles and COINTELPRO agents who help to shape the culture in which we live. No, they weren't always called COINTELPRO, but the principle is the same. It has been used since time immemorial. The earliest written records we have are of "clappers" in the audiences of theaters in ancient Greece. What do you think the term "Greek Chorus" means? We have exactly that in the present day in the form of the mainstream media. Did you think that, with the power of the internet to reach millions of people that the "powers that be" would have ignored the necessity of installing a "Greek Chorus" on the net or in the 911 Truth Movement?
14)Laura:
What motive does anyone have in this world to stage anything, including 911?
What motive would Bollyn have for misrepresenting the whole thing?
