Coronavirus Pandemic: Apocalypse Now! Or exaggerated scare story?

Joe said:
Interesting comparison between distribution of religion in Germany and Netherlands and % covid cases.

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There is a racial/cultural difference noticable in the country, pretty well like the spread: Frisians in the north. sachsens in the middle, franks south of the rivers.
If anything, the measures against covid were the most intense in the south.
 
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flashgordonv said:
In Little old New Zealand, things are moving along. After a week of new lock down proscriptions - Auckland at level 3 and the rest of the country at Level 2 - the Dear Leader has decided that this will last for another week, and then Auckland will move down to Level 2 as well. Oh and at the same time masks will now be compulsory on public transport. The stupid part of this is that they don't actually care what you use as a mask - paper, cotton, bandana, old underpants - just as long as you cover your mouth and nose to "keep everyone safe".

Things must be really serious then to inspire such rigid controls, right? Well, just over 100 cases, 10 people in hospital, 1 in ICU, no deaths. Sounds like a reasonable premise to use to continue to strangle the economy, put people out of work.

Oh, and the ultimate irony. Dear Leader pronounces we are having a resurgence which is why we are in lockdown. Then Trump has the temerity to say not once but three times that New Zealand is having a resurgence. Dear Leader stamps her feet, pouts and declares he is completely wrong. All the while keeping us locked down due to the resurgence, You couldn't make this crap up.

Now, in terms of awareness, while the majority of the population are still worshiping at the feel of Saint Jacinda, and will hear no criticism of her which does not need to be relentlessly attacked, there is an increasing minority of people who are fed up and angry and who are starting to see the fallacies and inconsistencies. Some are now aware that these rolling lockdowns are just going to trash the country. Others are questioning the rationale of locking down as soon as a few more cases are diagnosed. Especially when the government which claims eradication is the way forward, and eradication relies on a completely sealed border to ensure no more cases come in to the country, have been found wanting, and have not been testing front line border staff as they claimed they were doing.

On social media I am at last seeing people saying it is time to change strategies and move to a minimization strategy, protect the vulnerable and let everybody else get on with life, akin to how the yearly flu is handled. Saying this however still attracts taunts of "granny killer".

In brief, the longer this nonsense goes on, the more people are starting to realise that there is some concentrated cow manure being force fed to the population. Not a majority but slowly becoming a significant minority. Time to get some popcorn and enjoy the show.
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A couple more observations. We are currently in an election cycle. Dear Leader was very happy about this as she had proclaimed a week before the new lockdown that her government was campaigning on Covid, no policies, just Covid. A soon as lockdown started, campaigning was suspended. Except for the government who immediately went to 2 press conferences a day, keeping the country "informed" about how well they were handling the new outbreak. Lots of exposure, lots of slogans - sickening ones like "keeping you safe" and " the team of 5 million". As it happens her government is a coalition of Labour, Greens and a small right wing party, an unusual combination born of political opportunism from the small right wing party. Suddenly the leader of that party, Winston Peters, realising he was facing political destruction if he couldn't campaign, gave the government an ultimatum. Postpone the election or he would withdraw support. Dear Leader had no choice but to postpone by a month, through gritted teeth and stamping feet. As an aside, people internationally are seeing that as Dear Leader trying to subvert democracy, when her dearest wish was to have the election when only her party could campaign. Too funny.

The sad thing is that so many people are taken in by the mask nonsense. I saw a little old dear on the TV news. She lives in Wellington where there have been no cases for over 3 months. She said she was so happy masks on the bus were going to be mandatory. She said when she gets on the bus now and there are only a third of people wearing masks (her included) she felt afraid and so unsafe. So sad to see somebody so completely caught up in the deception and lies.
 
To add to what flashgordonv stated here, yesterday I had an appointment to look at a 1 hectare property at Tuakau (about 40 minutes south of where I live). Well, got a call from the agent before the appointed time that the viewing was cancelled. The agent was turned back by the police at a COVID checkpoint along the motorway!

The property agent was told by the police that Aucklanders were not allowed outside Auckland city boundary unless you had prove that you needed to go outside the boundary and you were not allowed to enter the city boundary unless you had prove that you were a resident! :shock: Wonder how many New Zealanders know that?
 
Hi all,

(2 first topics are french sources)
I get used to follow the video of Silvano Trotta, he's doing an excellent job and if like me actually you are experiencing many obligations, this is perfect if you just need a summary of the main recent information about this crisis, he posts almost daily.
Here's the link to his YT channel : Silvano Trotta
(In less than 10 days, 3 people around me accepted to watch some of his video and changed their mind about what is happening, showing videos of Silvano is very efficient)

Recently, and this is the main reason of this post, I spot a new one, linked to a site, which is rapidly growing. They named "Les deQodeurs". Here's the website : Dis Sept
And the YT channel : Les deQodeurs

What I wanted to say is that it's the 3rd time i listen to these videos, and the main author, Leo (Leonard) ... well, how to say ... he's a very nice guy, it's really interresting to listen to what he says, how he says it, he's remarquable. If you understand french and have time, do not hesitate to listen to him.

But I also noticed the following : what Leo is building here, and he explained it very well in one recent video during the 10 first minutes, is that with many others actually emerging on internet, he's "motivating" the people listening to him and started to organize various enterprises with the people who follow him and who want to do something, to participate, ... or to fight if we consider that we are at war (and it is). He's not alone, but he's particular, he makes me think about the following : an SDA leader.
(I remember I read one day, dont remember if it's on SOTT, that once a certain % of the population arrived to a certain level of awarness, some leaders representing them emerge - but I also remember : "take care about false prophets" - ... but I don't think it's the case here)

Many people start to participate with each other to produce many kind of responses, or let's say material. It's just emerging but already noticable. Since a few weeks there are new dedicated youtube traduction channels which appeared, tools for any people allowing them to optimally traduce any video (by written or vocally) without having any IT experience required. Also, some sites are in preparation just for this purpose (look for "Le fils de Pangolin"). All of this is literraly hatching right now.
Keywords are "Cooperation", "Collaboration"... which can be seen as "networking".

More technical : they are creating new types of collaborative web-tools to respond to online collaborative projects, one of the first topic is about video or articles/text traductions, but I feel that many new types of collaborative tools will follow. (I imagine tools to create kind of meta articles which are presented like a training to follow, could be (later) linked to a MCQ to answer before the "course" then once again after, and so on ... )

It's in a way an exciting constatation, and I wanted to share it here and say this : seeds that many people have planted in the past have grown and are coming to help, keep the faith :-)

Note : this is what I noticed here on the french-speaking side (mainly means France, Belgium, Quebec and Switzerland). If any has noticed the same tendancy in his country, feel free to inform about.
 
Michael B-C said:
Deagal has some pretty serious heaveyweight clients and dont stick their necks out for no reason.
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Do you have a source for that Michael? I came across the deagel.com site several years ago. It's been around since 2003 doing what it mainly does: providing stats on military equipment. It seems like a kind of military fan boy site. After the 2008 "financial crash" the owner added the future predictions table and updated it each year since then. In 2014, after the "predictions" got a bunch of attention on the net, the owner added the text below. The bolded parts give the basis of his prediction of large population reductions. The last paragraph is a disclaimer, more or less. Basically, he's a catastrophist of the standard variety.


There have been many questions about the countries forecast specially the one focusing on the United States of America (USA). They won't be answered one by one but below you can find some explanation, thoughts and reflections. We are going to keep this as short as possible.

The majority of the economic and demographic data used in the making of the forecasts is widely available by institutions such as the CIA, IMF, UN, USG, etc. You can see the most relevant data at every single country's page. There is a tiny part of data coming from a variety of shadow sources such as Internet gurus, unsigned reports and others. But all these sources are from the internet and are of public domain for at least a minority. For example, several years ago Dagong, the Chinese ratings agency, published a report analyzing the physical economy of the States comparing it with those of China, Germany and Japan. The conclusion was that the US GDP was something between $5 to $10 trillion instead of $15 trillion as officially reported by the USG. We assume that the official data, especially economic, released by governments is fake, cooked or distorted in some degree. Historically it is well known that the former Soviet Union was making up fake statistics years before its collapse. Western as well as other countries are making up their numbers today to conceal their real state of affairs. We are sure that many people out there can find government statistics in their own countries that by their own personal experience are hard to believe or are so optimistic that may belong to a different country.

Despite the numeric data "quantity" there is a "quality" model which has not a direct translation into numeric data. The 2014 strain of Ebola has a death rate of 50-60% but try to imagine what would happen if there is a pandemic of Ebola with hundreds of thousands or millions infected with the virus. So far the few cases of Ebola-infected people have "enjoyed" intensive healthcare with anti-viral and breathing assistance but above all with abundant human support by Physicians and nurses. In a pandemic scenario that kind of healthcare won't be available for the overwhelming number of infected leading to a dramatic increase of the death rate due to the lack of proper healthcare. The "quality" factor is that the death rate could increase to 80-90% in a pandemic scenario from the stated 50-60% rate. The figure itself is not important what is relevant is the fact that the scenario can evolve beyond the initial conditions from a 50% death toll to more than 90%. By the way, no pandemic or nuclear war is included in the forecast.

The key element to understand the process that the USA will enter in the upcoming decade is migration. In the past, specially in the 20th century, the key factor that allowed the USA to rise to its colossus status was immigration with the benefits of a demographic expansion supporting the credit expansion and the brain drain from the rest of the world benefiting the States. The collapse of the Western financial system will wipe out the standard of living of its population while ending ponzi schemes such as the stock exchange and the pension funds. The population will be hit so badly by a full array of bubbles and ponzi schemes that the migration engine will start to work in reverse accelerating itself due to ripple effects thus leading to the demise of the States. This unseen situation for the States will develop itself in a cascade pattern with unprecedented and devastating effects for the economy. Jobs offshoring will surely end with many American Corporations relocating overseas thus becoming foreign Corporations!!!! We see a significant part of the American population migrating to Latin America and Asia while migration to Europe - suffering a similar illness - won't be relevant. Nevertheless the death toll will be horrible. Take into account that the Soviet Union's population was poorer than the Americans nowadays or even then. The ex-Soviets suffered during the following struggle in the 1990s with a significant death toll and the loss of national pride. Might we say "Twice the pride, double the fall"? Nope. The American standard of living is one of the highest, far more than double of the Soviets while having added a services economy that will be gone along with the financial system. When pensioners see their retirement disappear in front of their eyes and there are no servicing jobs you can imagine what is going to happen next. At least younger people can migrate. Never in human history were so many elders among the population. In past centuries people were lucky to get to their 30s or 40s. The American downfall is set to be far worse than the Soviet Union's one. A confluence of crisis with a devastating result.

The Demographic crisis in the former Soviet Union countries has extended for over two decades, if we accept that it ended early in this decade (2010s). The demographic crisis will hit the World in the near future and is projected to last between three and eight decades more or less depending on technological breakthrough and environmental issues. The aftermath is more likely a frozen picture with the population numbers staying the same for a very, very long period of time. The countries forecast population numbers do reflect birth/deaths but also migratory movements. Many countries are going to increase their gross population due to immigration while their native population may shrink.

Over the past two thousand years we have witnessed the Western civilization built around the Mediterranean Sea shifting to Northern Europe and then by the mid 20th century shifting to an Atlantic axis to finally get centered into the States in the past 30 years. The next move will see the civilization being centered in Asia with Russia and China on top. Historically a change in the economic paradigm has resulted in a death toll that is rarely highlighted by mainstream historians. When the transition from rural areas to large cities happened in Europe many people unable to accept the new paradigm killed themselves. They killed themselves by a psychological factor. This is not mainstream but it is true. A new crisis joins old, well known patterns with new ones.

Sorry to disappoint many of you with our forecast. It is getting worse and worse every year since the beginning of the pre-crisis in 2007. It is already said that this website is non-profit, built on spare time and we provide our information and services AS IS without further explanations and/or guarantees. We are not linked to any government in any way, shape or form. We are not a death or satanic cult or arms dealers as some BS is floating around the internet on this topic. Take into account that the forecast is nothing more than a model whether flawed or correct. It is not God's word or a magic device that allows to foresee the future.

Sunday, October 26th, 2014
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Joe said:
Interesting comparison between distribution of religion in Germany and Netherlands and % covid cases.

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This is a very interesting presentation.

The relation between mainly catholic regions and increased corona "outbreaks" is baffling me.
Even if the percentages may not be totally correct you can't help but see a tendency there.

Could it be that you have to "believe" that you yourself or the people you're treating and administrating have caught 'corona'?

Regarding the apparently low case numbers in eastern Germany makes me wonder whether people there were just having a 'light' or a 'bad cold'. These people have already experienced an authoritarian regime decades ago which could make them more hesitant towards societal pressures. It might even be possible that local facilities did not have enough money to do wholesale testing.

The idea of the virus rather spreading in 'richer' areas has its flaws since northeastern Bavaria, Saarland and most of Rhineland-Palatinate (shown as dark red) cannot be considered as such.

If GDP has a role to play in all of this it might be that early spring season in March will have sent a lot of middle-class Germans down for a holiday to Italy, which for southern ('catholic') Germans is only a one-day car ride away.
 
Ursus Minor said:
This is a very interesting presentation.

The relation between mainly catholic regions and increased corona "outbreaks" is baffling me.
Even if the percentages may not be totally correct you can't help but see a tendency there.

Could it be that you have to "believe" that you yourself or the people you're treating and administrating have caught 'corona'?
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Mostly elderly people attend church services, and mostly elderly people died. That fits.
The wine sharing could do the trick, but protestants do that, too. Its a miracle?
I shall ask some Christians, but i still think the reason must be genetic.
 
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cope said:
Mostly elderly people attend church services, and mostly elderly people died. That fits.
The wine sharing could do the trick, but protestants do that, too. Its a miracle?
I shall ask some Christians, but i still think the reason must be genetic.
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If your theory about 'wine sharing' is correct it would then explain why in former communist eastern Germany, where a significant part of the population became atheists during that time span and others were left to be Protestants in name only the number of corona cases remained so low.

In that case the message to take away could be that atheism is a protection again the 'corona virus'...
 
Thank you Ursus. I am getting annoyed by this thing. In the article itself, nor in the 170 reactions on the article nobody was noticing that protestants also go to church, so visiting either church itself cannot have anything to do with the uneven spread. The virus must have come in from the south. Carnaval was mentioned as superspreader, but unless the lockdown really worked, and ended the virus, the spread should have equaled out in time. We know that masks and distancing can only slow the spreading. And, were there no big gatherings in the rest of the country, ofcourse there were. The map was made maybe early April, so a new one could show less of a difference. But there are almost no more deaths now to equalize with. (!)
Nobody noticed the different tribes living in the 3 areas.
I hope the author will react to my question, as i don't think my Christians will know the answer.
I'm also disappointed that the knowledge that a level of vitamin D above 34 stops people getting sick, and the viruskiller mix killing 100%, are already forgotten. The second wave does not have to happen!
 
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Vulcan59 said:
To add to what flashgordonv stated here, yesterday I had an appointment to look at a 1 hectare property at Tuakau (about 40 minutes south of where I live). Well, got a call from the agent before the appointed time that the viewing was cancelled. The agent was turned back by the police at a COVID checkpoint along the motorway!

The property agent was told by the police that Aucklanders were not allowed outside Auckland city boundary unless you had prove that you needed to go outside the boundary and you were not allowed to enter the city boundary unless you had prove that you were a resident! :shock: Wonder how many New Zealanders know that?
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Does that mean that your government is lying to you about travel restrictions (in your own country), or have they just 'failed to mention it'? Something like this is pretty important and New Zealanders have a right to know about it!
 
sid said:
I don't think a publically available website would just put out forecast like that especially given the fluid nature of reality and future timelines ie. I doubt that they have the knowledge of where exactly a comet is going to hit etc. I could be wrong but sense that a lot of what we are seeing out there via multiple outlets is fear mongering and doomsday drum beating. There is something real which will occur but even the PTB is not fully cognizant of what that is.
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I just had this awful feeling that New York might be hit by a meteor - or more likely New Jersey. I hope I'm wrong, even if I'm nuts! :-(
 
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