Coronavirus Pandemic: Apocalypse Now! Or exaggerated scare story?

[Javi]

The World Health Organization (WHO) and the World Economic Forum are also allied and using this time as an opportunity to introduce something called Agenda ID2020 - "an electronic ID program that uses generalized vaccination as a platform for digital identity."

While we're focused on Coronavirus 'pandemic', the real danger is 'Agenda ID2020'

What is the infamous ID2020? It is an alliance of public-private partners, including UN agencies and civil society. It's an electronic ID program that uses generalized vaccination as a platform for digital identity. It seems, the more there is...

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It also strikes me that the idea of Universal Basic Income, seeded heavily over the last couple of years at least here in Canada, could really be made to sprout in this kind of environment. -I know several service workers, wait staff and such, who were asking yesterday, "What do I do!? It's already tight at home and the rent needs to be paid. I have kids, and now they have to stay home! How can I look for work and take care of children?"

Maybe his big plan is to force as many people as possible into the next thing:
We offer you a Universal Basic Income so that you can survive, but in exchange you must receive the universal vaccine (Agenda ID2020) otherwise it will not be granted.
Even if it were not true, perhaps it would be good to start launching this idea in social networks as a way to go ahead and discourage its implementation?

 

[lostinself]

I think i'm somewhat less confused about the whole thing now.

I used to dismiss the possibility of the current "pandemic" being unfolded according to some plan, but maybe there's a centralized agenda behind it in the end? Maybe it's that simple: the months-long lockdown should lead to economic collapse (in the West at least), the chaos will naturally follow with all the unemployed masses in need of allowances and governments not able to deal with that economically. The necessity of large-scale solutions will become apparent. Giant companies will probably step in at some point, offering their help in exchange for "small" benefits from governments, which will lead to them overtaking the elected rulers gradually. But this won't be enough; in minds of people old-style economy will be compromised as fragile and traumatising and we'll be in sudden need of something more trustworthy and socially just. Enter the new cashless, social-credit based economy. With all of its consequences.

But one thing still makes me curious. If a scenario like above is the point, why not use a more deadly pathogen? Right now it clearly more feels like a scare than actual danger to many people. An actual threat won't leave that margin of doubt in them, basically legitimizing all the extreme measures that are taken.

Maybe the virus is light by design and the whole thing actually relies on the pathogen being merely a bloated scare. They may want the option for the whole show to be stopped / paused if needed. Or maybe it's about us having to make a choice that wouldn't be available to us in case of actual pandemic.

Also, real, immediate danger tends to unite people, which may not be desirable when trying to instigate chaos.

 

[seek10]

After months, visited CNN website to see big banner "Health Officials Warn US is at the tipping point". Even trump is saying "Let Experts do their Job". I hope Trump will flip it and say , enough had been done, no results and reduce the rheteoric. It looks no body is in control.
Sweeping restrictions take effect in coronavirus response as health officials warn US is at a tipping point

But the interesting topic is this:

Why South Korea has so few coronavirus deaths while Italy has so many | CNN

For now it is partly because of vast differences in the affected patients -- young vs. old, smokers vs. not, writes MD and infection specialist Kent Sepkowitz. Soon it also will be due to another reason.

www.cnn.com

While they analyze the demographics of age of population, how many tests done( south korea has more testing) before for survival. Smoking part is interesting.

The connection seems straightforward. Consider two countries with large outbreaks.
In South Korea, the rate of testing has been quite high (3,692 tests per million people as of March 8), and its mortality among those infected quite low (about 0.6%, or 66 deaths, at last count).

By contrast, Italy tests about 826 people per million and its mortality among those with diagnosed infection is about 10 times higher, with more than 1,000 people dead from the disease.
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Plenty has already been written about how the population of Italy differs from much of the world. According to a UN report in 2015, 28.6% of the Italian population was 60 years old or older (second in the world after Japan at 33%). This compares to South Korea, where 18.5% of the population is at least 60 years of age, ranking 53rd globally.
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Smoking is another factor clearly associated with poor survival. Smoking rates are about the same between the two countries: 24% for Italians and 27% for South Koreans. But gender differences among smokers are widely different: In Italy, 28% of men versus 20% of women smoke, while in Korea, it is about 50% of men and less than 5% (!) of women.

In other words, South Korea has an outbreak among youngish, non-smoking women, whereas Italy's disease is occurring among the old and the very old, many of whom are smokers. (We do not know the male-female breakdown of Italy's cases).

It looks to me they are doing mental gymnastics to say "Smoking is bad" by muddying the demograhics of the population ( young and old) , while it is clearly showing that smoking is good in preventing the virus. They attribute the survival to testing not smoking.

 

[SOTTREADER]

Statistically, if most people commenting on this group get the virus (which seems likely), then some will develop complications (hypoxia, pneumonia) and need hospitalisation.

It's natural to think that'll never be you, but it'll definitely be 'some people' and we're all in that bracket unless you think you have been granted a special exemption by the universal powers that be. Just a sobering thought, perhaps worth meditating about and coming to peace with.

On top of the advise given in the forum on things to take, the French authorities have mentioned anti inflammatories should be avoided. In picking up what the French authorities said, Dr Campbell has advised that if one (adults) is hit by the fever, one should let it run its course without taking any fever reducing meds (he caveats this by saying he isn't your doctor so you should call up your doc and present him with what the French authorities are saying). He says fever is a natural response from the body and ones immune system is working harder during that fever stage. If you're someone on painkillers - avoid stuff like ibuprofen... Paracetamol is what they are advising but ideally avoid that too if you get a fever.

Here's the video

My go to painkiller tended to be ibuprofen if I had a headache or such... Now switching to paracetamol out of an abundance of caution!

 

[Laura]

Here's another clip about the "overwhelmed" ICUs.

Wall Street’s big coronavirus mistake

Wall Street’s big coronavirus mistake

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And yet, a first-hand report from a physician in those hospitals suggests that there will be very little room for severe corona virus cases in any hospital ICU. Those beds are already being used by patients and not just waiting empty. In all likelihood, hospitals will be quickly overwhelmed and forced to decide who gets critical live-saving treatment and who does not. The "who does not" number could be very large if the Italian experience is anything to go by.

The analysts do admit that lack of health insurance and paid sick leave will likely lead to higher infection rates in the United States than would otherwise be the case. Naturally, people without insurance will be reluctant to seek treatment, and those without paid sick leave may come to work even when ill in order to make enough money to pay their bills.

The surprisingly upbeat report is based on the idea of a return to business as usual. The assumption is that the coronavirus pandemic will not shatter confidence in our institutions which are so clearly incompetent and/or inadequate to the task of fighting this pandemic.

ICUs are nearly always full based on my lengthy experience dealing with health issues.

 

[Laura]

Statistically, if most people commenting on this group get the virus (which seems likely), then some will develop complications (hypoxia, pneumonia) and need hospitalisation.

It's natural to think that'll never be you, but it'll definitely be 'some people' and we're all in that bracket unless you think you have been granted a special exemption by the universal powers that be. Just a sobering thought, perhaps worth meditating about and coming to peace with.

Diamond Princess Mysteries

Guest Post by Willis Eschenbach OK, here are my questions. We had a perfect petri-dish coronavirus disease (COVID-19) experiment with the cruise ship “Diamond Princess”. That’s th…

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As you might imagine, before they knew it was a problem, the epidemic raged on the ship, with infected crew members cooking and cleaning for the guests, people all eating together, close living quarters, lots of social interaction, and a generally older population. Seems like a perfect situation for an overwhelming majority of the passengers to become infected.

And despite that, some 83% (82.7% – 83.9%) of the passengers never got the disease at all … why?

[...]
In addition to the low rate of disease incidence (83% didn’t get it), the curious part of Figure 2 for me is that there’s not a whole lot of difference between young and old passengers in terms of how many didn’t get coronavirus. For example, sixty to sixty-nine-year-old passengers stayed healthier than teenagers. And three-quarters of the oldest group, those over eighty, didn’t get the virus. Go figure. Buncha virus resistant old geezers, I guess …

Next, slightly less than half the passengers (48.6% ± 2.0%) who got the disease showed NO symptoms. If this disease is so dangerous, how come half the people who got it showed no symptoms at all?
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Again, a curious distribution. Young and old were more likely to be symptom-free, while people in their 20s, 30s, and 40s were more likely to show symptoms. Who knew?

There were a total of 7 deaths among those on board. All of them were in people over seventy. So even though the generally young were more likely to show symptoms if they had it, it hits old people the hardest.

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83% of the people on the ship didn’t get it, despite perfect conditions for transmission. If you get it, you have about a 50/50 chance of showing no symptoms at all. And the fatality rate is lower than the earlier estimates of 2% or above.

It is particularly valuable to know that about half the cases are asymptomatic. It lets us adjust a mortality rate calculated from observations, since half of the cases are symptom-free and likely unobserved. It also gives a better idea of how many cases there are in a given population.

 

[SOTTREADER]

Diamond Princess Mysteries

Guest Post by Willis Eschenbach OK, here are my questions. We had a perfect petri-dish coronavirus disease (COVID-19) experiment with the cruise ship “Diamond Princess”. That’s th…

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Hi Laura

What they said about the Diamond Princess is that it was an unmitigated disaster. When the first person got infected and the ship docked off Yokohama, they decided to not disembark any passangers until a designated 2 week quarantine period was over.

They instituted very STRINGENT quarantine measures which was overseen by Japanese public health authorities.

As the days went by and despite these so called stringent measures, more and more people were still getting infected. Even some of the Japanese public health workers were coming down with it.

In the end some countries like the US decided to evacuate their citizens from what they were now terming the Disaster Princess.

Fast forward a couple of weeks and the Grand Princess the sister ship of the Diamond Princess was caught in the same scenario, only this time it was off the coast of California.

This time the authorities are not holding everyone on it, more than 2900 have been disembarked.

Over 100 Indians stuck on Grand Princess cruise ship in US, appeal for help

Over 100 Indians are stuck at the Grand Princess Cruise ship which has have been moved to San Francisco Bay from Port of Oakland.

www.google.com

Anyways, the general consensus is the Diamond Princess was an unmitigated disaster as it went from 1 infected to 20% infected in less than 2 weeks despite the most stringent quarantine measures being put in place!

Cruise liners aren't doing too good in this climate as a result of the "Disaster" Princess and Australia for one has banned all cruise liners from docking in the country!

Australia bans all cruise ships

Australian Government has announced effective as of 1400hrs AEST today, that all cruise ships originating from a foreign port will be refused entry to Australian Ports in a bid to contain coronavirus. The ban is to last for 30 days. ...

www.google.com

 

[Aeneas]

They instituted very STRINGENT quarantine measures which was overseen by Japanese public health authorities.

That was exactly what was not the case. The Japanese bureaucrats ran the show from what we hear and has gotten a lot of flack because of it. This meant that there was no quarantine measures on board the ship. The very stringent quarantine measures that you speak about is perhaps related to people not being allowed to disembark.

All the points which Laura made above are therefore still valid. Namely that in this environment namely the boat, there were no quarantine measures in place and still only 7 people died and 83% who didn't even get it.

Here are a few headlines about the 'stringent quarantine measures'.

'Bureaucrats were in charge': Japanese doctor blasts ship quarantine

A Japanese infectious disease specialist has castigated his government's handling of quarantine on a coronavirus-stricken cruise ship, saying it was run by "bureaucrats" who stoked the crisis by failing to follow basic protocols.

www.reuters.com

Japanese Epidemiologist Criticizes "Chaotic" Conditions Onboard The "Diamond Princess" | Nation Overload News

Professor Kentaro Iwata of the Faculty of Infectious Diseases at Kobe University reported that the conditions on the Diamond Princess ship were "completely chaotic".

nationoverload.com

Doctor slams Japan over Diamond Princess quarantine

A disease specialist has described "chaotic" scenes on board the Princess Diamond cruise ship where, he said, bureaucrats were in charge instead of doctors.

thenewdaily.com.au

https://www.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/f698px

The news comes as an infectious disease specialist who spent a day aboard the cruise ship took to Youtube to describe the “completely chaotic” scenes on the cruise ship on which “bureaucrats were in charge”.

Dr Iwata said there was no clear demarcation line between infected people and non-infected people.

“There was no distinction between the green zone which is free of infection and the red zone which is potentially contaminated by virus,” he said in a video posted to YouTube.

Dr Iwata recalled an incident where someone who had a fever walked over to the medical centre while having on an N95 mask but nothing was done to stop the spread of infection “between his room and the medical room”.

It was named Disaster Princess because it was an infection containment disaster and not because of the final outcome of the virus, which was negligible.

@SOTTREADER It appears as if you read everything through a filter which skews all the information available towards doomsday bells due to this virus. Gurdjieff would have called it the Kunda Buffer.

 

[lostinself]

This may have been suggested somewhere already but anyway. Since the virus seems to infect throat in first place, maybe it's wise to wash our throats daily, even if just with baking soda solution. More powerful as a wash may be something like Gargarin, available in Poland, which is a mix of borax, sodium bicarbonate, sodium benzoate and salt.

As to the risk of getting infected, there's concern often raised about smokers getting infected more. Whether actually true or not, there's a simple response to the claim that it's tobacco smoke that makes one more vulnerable. Smokers put their hands to the lips on a regular basis, while non-smokers rarely do it.

 

[Aaron r]

Disregard if it has been already mentioned. In October 2019 there was a coronavirus pandemic training exercise called "Event 201" by John Hopkins Centre for Health Security, World Economic Forum and the Gates Foundation. Bit suspicious.

 

[Aeneas]

I think people are getting too worked up on a vaccine for nothing.

They don't have a vaccine and from what I understand, it's going to be challenging and not guaranteed for them to even get anything viable up and running. At the minimum you're looking at 2021 and that's if nothing goes wrong!

Have the members on this Forum been too worked up about a vaccine for nothing or have the members of the Forum in general read the situation more accurately?

We all make mistakes and make predictions which turns out wrong. It is what we do after we discover that we can not fully trust our reading of the situation. Do we continue to bash all those who gave a more accurate depiction of the situation or do we start to deeply question our own ability to accurately read the situation?

Forced vaccinations are coming. The governments have done it cleverly to clamp down now just at the beginning of spring as when the numbers then fall as they do every year at the end of the flu season, then the leaders can beat their chest and claim victory as the virus due to their 'foresight' did not turn out worse than a normal flu season.

Regarding forced vaccinations:

Zerohedge

ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero

www.zerohedge.com

Denmark has passed an emergency law that allows for the government to force people to take a vaccine for coronavirus.

Citizens who refuse to be tested for the coronavirus will face fines and potential prison time, and will be prevented from entering shops, grocery stores, public institutions and hospitals while also being restricted from using public transport.

“As well as enforcing quarantine measures, the law also allows the authorities to force people to be vaccinated, even though there is currently no vaccination for the virus,” reports the Local.

Copenhagen University law professor Jens Elo Rytter said the new measures were “certainly the most extreme since the Second World War.”

The initial draft of the law was even more draconian, and would have allowed police to enter private homes without a warrant if there was a suspicion of a coronavirus infection.

However, this measure was dropped after opposition from other parties in the Parliament.

Many more countries will follow or have already followed.

Regarding this thing of no vaccine is existing and it will take a long time, then remember that due to the emergency powers that the ruling elite has taken, then things can happen very rapidly and most likely a lot of people will welcome it with open arms. Here are a few headlines:

Clinical Trial of COVID-19 Vaccine Begins in Seattle

The first volunteer will receive a shot of the synthetic RNA vaccine today.

www.the-scientist.com

Experimental COVID-19 Vaccine Test Begins as U.S. Volunteer Receives First Shot

The test will ultimately give 45 volunteers two doses, a month apart

time.com

NIH Clinical Trial of Investigational Vaccine for COVID-19 Begins

A Phase 1 clinical trial evaluating an investigational vaccine designed to protect against coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) has begun at Kaiser Permanente Washington Health Research Institute (KPWHRI) in Seattle. The National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID), part of the...

www.niaid.nih.gov

First Patient Dosed in Moderna's COVID-19 Vaccine Trial | BioSpace

Inside the U.S., the first clinical trial for a vaccine to the novel coronavirus that causes COVID-19 began today.

www.biospace.com

Edit: Bolding of text has been added for clarity.

 

[Laurentien2]

Have the members on this Forum been too worked up about a vaccine for nothing or have the members of the Forum in general read the situation more accurately?

We all make mistakes and make predictions which turns out wrong. It is what we do after we discover that we can not fully trust our reading of the situation. Do we continue to bash all those who gave a more accurate depiction of the situation or do we start to deeply question our own ability to accurately read the situation?

Forced vaccinations are coming. The governments have done it cleverly to clamp down now just at the beginning of spring as when the numbers then fall as they do every year at the end of the flu season, then the leaders can beat their chest and claim victory as the virus due to their 'foresight' did not turn out worse than a normal flu season.

Regarding forced vaccinations:

Zerohedge

ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero

www.zerohedge.com

Many more countries will follow or have already followed.

Regarding this thing of no vaccine is existing and it will take a long time, then remember that due to the emergency powers that the ruling elite has taken, then things can happen very rapidly and most likely a lot of people will welcome it with open arms. Here are a few headlines:

Clinical Trial of COVID-19 Vaccine Begins in Seattle

The first volunteer will receive a shot of the synthetic RNA vaccine today.

www.the-scientist.com

Experimental COVID-19 Vaccine Test Begins as U.S. Volunteer Receives First Shot

The test will ultimately give 45 volunteers two doses, a month apart

time.com

NIH Clinical Trial of Investigational Vaccine for COVID-19 Begins

A Phase 1 clinical trial evaluating an investigational vaccine designed to protect against coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) has begun at Kaiser Permanente Washington Health Research Institute (KPWHRI) in Seattle. The National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID), part of the...

www.niaid.nih.gov

First Patient Dosed in Moderna's COVID-19 Vaccine Trial | BioSpace

Inside the U.S., the first clinical trial for a vaccine to the novel coronavirus that causes COVID-19 began today.

www.biospace.com

Edit: Bolding of text has been added for clarity.

My guess on the next stage is that the vaccine is already ready, 8 billions or about doses. That exercise, coronavirus19, was to bring the force vaccination of the population. They don't need it to be effective again this virus or any virus for that matter because, the virus is not dangerous but just to make the population believe that it is and thus welcoming the mandatory vaccination for all. As off today, I think that the programming is working and that a major part of the population would accept it and that as every good democraty, all they need is a 50% plus one in favor. A few week after the vaccination the virus will disappear naturally (sping, sun, warmer temperature) but they will claim that it was the vaccine of course. So everyone will get a chip, and will applause the new world order aka the antichrist.

I hope that I'm wrong.

 

[Laura]

Anyways, the general consensus is the Diamond Princess was an unmitigated disaster as it went from 1 infected to 20% infected in less than 2 weeks despite the most stringent quarantine measures being put in place!

Do you even pay attention to what you write? Does your brain engage with it? You write it like 20% infected was an unmitigated disaster and forget what it really means: 80% did NOT get infected.

I guess you are one of those who always sees the glass half empty.

 

[Aeneas]

The splits in the EU are happening. The EU has decided that Serbia can not import medical supplies from the EU as there are not enough for themselves, even though Serbia is a candidate to become a member. This is not the type of 'friends' Serbia is looking for as this speech by the Serbian leader shows. Interesting that he does not mention Russia at all but perhaps it is too loaded an issue:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1239716613483425797

Serbian Forum members can correct me if this is wrong.

 

[s1mpleman]

My guess on the next stage is that the vaccine is already ready, 8 billions or about doses. That exercise, coronavirus19, was to bring the force vaccination of the population. They don't need it to be effective again this virus or any virus for that matter because, the virus is not dangerous but just to make the population believe that it is and thus welcoming the mandatory vaccination for all. As off today, I think that the programming is working and that a major part of the population would accept it and that as every good democraty, all they need is a 50% plus one in favor. A few week after the vaccination the virus will disappear naturally (sping, sun, warmer temperature) but they will claim that it was the vaccine of course. So everyone will get a chip, and will applause the new world order aka the antichrist.

I hope that I'm wrong.

I know this is a small sample size but the majority of people I work with, including the owners are taking this as a "just in case" type situation or better to be safe than sorry. They don't know what is going on or why but they all agree stuff regarding this whole thing is very fishy. A lot here in my town in UK are panicing and I've personally just been put into self isolation from work. From their point of view the reaction is understandable to me with what they'll know.

A lot here have also offered to work through it because they see very clearly that we would loose all our jobs if this place went under.

I know everywhere will be different but I'm actually starting to see a bit a light in the dark here regarding this. I keep sharing on Facebook too and whilst I'm invariably annoying some people others might actually be taking note.

My 2 cents anyway, what will be will be.