Alex Jones - COINTELPRO? Fascist Tool?


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It seems that Kurt Nimmo wasn't the only one to find Doug Thompson's statements on 911 "Conspiracy Theories" troubling. But what's become more interesting now is how the story of the Thompson article has been "covered" by Rense & Alex Jones.

Rense & Alex Jones: Caught Red-Handed
by Victor Thorn & Lisa Guliani

Do we as members of the truth community give a damn about anything any more? If the answer is yes, then when are we going to rise up and finally take a stand about certain issues?

Specifically, Jeff Rense and Alex Jones have been caught red-handed yet again engaging in the act of blatant censorship. Here is what transpired:

On March 31, 2006 Doug Thompson, editor of Capitol Hill Blue, published an article entitled 9-11 Conspiracy Theories Don't Pass the Smell Testwhich was critical of the work done by 9-11 researchers. Upon release, this piece subsequently received at least ten pages of reader feedback, most of which was highly critical of Thompson's deluded views. Two of the people posting comments were Lisa Guliani and Victor Thorn.

The blowback from Thompson's article was so incendiary that he actually had to take down the stream due to the high volume of traffic. The following message was the last to appear on his site: "Server shut down due to overload, moving all messages to a new server, should be back up soon." The reaction to Thompson's claptrap was so volatile that it prompted Douglas Herman to write an article on April 3, 2006 called Disinfo Pro: Death of a Once Great Blogger (original, uncensored version - scroll down to page three), which shortly thereafter appeared on Jeff Rense's website.

In its original form (as it was initially published on Rense's site), this column had 14 paragraphs, and included the following two passages:

----- Even when Lisa Guliana (sic), of WING TV, posted 17 well-researched points disputing, or destroying altogether, Thompson's conclusions they evoked no response. Not a peep.

----- Respected Internet writer, Victor Thorn agreed: "I've long enjoyed your work, but you couldn't be further from the truth Doug, this is a matter of taking back our country from a cabal of bloodthirsty murderers. I certainly hope you open your eyes to what's taking place."

To verify the authenticity of what we're saying, included below are three more links showing Doug Herman's article in its ORIGINAL form (one of them posted, ironically, by a Rense columnist himself, Sartre). Also, if you notice, the third link also has a reference to "" noting that this is where the ORIGINAL article could be found:

Sartre's Breaking All the Rules - original, uncensored version

Marco Solo - original, uncensored version

BG Truth Blogspot - original, uncensored version

But then something mysterious happened. A few days later, we noticed that the two sentences referring to Lisa Guliani had been completely deleted from Herman's article on Jeff Rense's website. Jeff Rense - censored version # 1Of course we were confused, but instead of jumping to conclusions, we very methodically started checking every source to make sure this was indeed a case of CENSORSHIP.

So, we first contacted Justin Stark (who initially sent us this article) to see if the original had, in fact, contained the passage referring to Lisa Guliani and her 17 points refuting Doug Thompson. Stark found the original and confirmed that, yes, Jeff Rense had CENSORED Herman's article after it had already been published. Stark also made these comments in regard to this highly-suspicious situation:


Your name, and the reference to your work, was indeed removed. Please see attached original. I compared it to what appears on his site today, and the references to you were clearly deleted; or, one could say, "censored."

That's enough to piss a body right off; I wonder if it's intended to (??). Pretty offensive.

To insure accuracy by covering all our bases, we next spoke with the author of the above-mentioned article, Douglas Herman, who told us in no uncertain terms that:

(1) He was not aware that Rense had censored his article
(2) He had not authorized or given Rense permission to censor his article, and
(3) The article had been censored after it had already been published

Now, in case anyone isn't paying attention, let us explain. This is a textbook example of blatant, unadulterated CENSORSHIP.

Censorship (broader definition, as opposed to the narrower, legalistic definition): The act of changing a message, including the act of deletion between the sender and the receiver without the sender's consent and knowledge. The cyclical suppression, banning, expurgation, or editing by an individual, institution, or group.

But wait, this story gets even more interesting. After speaking with Doug Herman, we next checked Alex Jones' websites and found that he had also posted this same article. But guess what. Alex Jones had censored the piece even further! Not only did he run Rense's altered version with the Guliani section removed, but then Alex Jones further altered the article by deleting the sentences referring to Victor Thorn! Propaganda Matrix - censored version # 2

So now there were THREE different versions of this article floating around the Internet - one which was the original as Doug Herman had written it - then another version censored by Jeff Rense, and a final one further CENSORED by Alex Jones. And neither Rense nor Jones received permission from the author to alter this work after it had already been published in its original form (by Jeff Rense himself). In all, these two men deleted five sentences from Herman's article, with no permission whatsoever granted by the author.

Before continuing, we would like to make a few things perfectly clear as to avoid any confusion. First, we have no problem whatsoever with a publisher and/or editor altering an article prior to publication if they confer with the author and apprise them of these changes. That's called editing, and it's been taking place in newsrooms around the world for centuries.

But if someone alters an article after it had already been published without informing the author, and without their permission, then it becomes outright CENSORSHIP.

Also, we need it to be made very clear that:

- The United States Federal government has never censored our work
- George W. Bush has never censored our work
- The CIA has never censored our work
- The FBI has never censored our work
- The NSA has never censored our work

But Jeff Rense and Alex Jones have now censored Douglas Herman's material, and that of others, on numerous occasions, and we have verifiable proof of it happening not only in this instance, but also in the past:

Alex Jones = Big Brother
Alex Jones: Overt Censorship
Alex Jones: Censorship SNEAK
Censorship Reign of Terror
Jeff Rense Shows His True Color: Yellow

Now take a moment and ponder this point. The government has never censored us, but Rense and Jones - supposedly bedrocks and upstanding members of the alternative media - engage in CENSORSHIP on a continual basis.

At this point, if you don't see a problem with this dismal state of affairs - and if you readily accept the CENSORSHIP perpetrated by these two men - then we are here to say without any hesitation:

You are not a patriot, nor should you ever consider yourself a "truth seeker," because what Jeff Rense and Alex Jones are doing is the gravest slap in the face that our alternative media could ever experience.

In other words, if you're not screaming bloody murder and enraged beyond words about these guys spitting on one of our most cherished rights as Americans, then you don't deserve to be called patriots, or even Americans for that matter. Isn't this type of behavior - flagrant CENSORSHIP - precisely what we've been fighting against in regard to the government, mainstream media, and Big Brother? Yet Jeff Rense and Alex Jones have been engaging in systematic, habitual, ongoing, in-your-face CENSORSHIP for years; and the worst part is --- they don't care that they're doing it.

Do you get it? These guys have such little regard for you - and for the concept of non-censorship - that they don't give a damn what you think (not to mention their lack of respect for the author being censored). Doesn't this sound exactly like the arrogant attitudes of those in the Oval Office, the New York Times, CBS, or every neo-cons' favorite publication, The Weekly Standard? Jones and Rense have become mirror-images of our enemies! And this isn't the first time (by a long-shot) that they've been caught red-handed in the act of overt CENSORSHIP.

Right now, Jeff Rense and Alex Jones are the two biggest censors (by far) in the alternative media. There's no one else that even comes close to them in relation to their egregious behavior. What they're essentially saying via their actions is: If we don't like the people mentioned in an article, or the subject matter/concepts, we're going to CENSOR it out. On top of that, we're not going to tell the author what we've done, or even get their permission to do so.

Their deliberate CENSORSHIP has now been proven in this article right before your very eyes with links to every single piece of data (i.e. there's no denying that they are blatant CENSORS). If you can accept this hideous notion, then regrettably you can turn a blind eye to any crime or misdemeanor. If that's the case, not only should you be absolutely ashamed of yourself, but your position in life is so pitiful and pathetic that you literally might as well roll over and die, because all your convictions - and all your fight - have completely disappeared. How can we ever aspire to be anything more than the government and mainstream media if we refuse to set the bar higher than they do? Can't you see what's happening? If we accept this type of CENSORSHIP by Jeff Rense and Alex Jones, it drags the entire movement into the same sewer as the controlled establishment press. Is that what you want?

In late March, 2006, CNN stopped the scheduled appearance of Ed Asner on Showbiz Tonight (he was to speak about Charlie Sheen & 9-11). Naturally, Alex Jones went ballistic over this censorship. But then only a few weeks later, he's engaging in the exact same type of CENSORSHIP.

How much longer are "patriots" going to be apologists for these censors? Because, once you embrace blatant censorship, isn't it safe to say that you've also accepted the New World Order's tactics, for one of their primary tenets is the advancement of CENSORSHIP (i.e. flushing information down the Memory Hole). Plus, don't such actions strike at the very heart of what a free press is supposed to represent, especially in the alternative media? But as we've seen, Jeff Rense and Alex Jones censor material very easily (and very frequently), as if it were second nature to them, and as if they'd been doing it for a very long time with absolutely no consequences.

Please tell us: does anything matter any more?



Question: Why would Alex Jones, self-proclaimed "grandfather" of the 9-11 Truth Movement, or Jeff Rense feel it necessary to censor content from Doug Herman's article, especially when the material omitted was not about them in any way and involved posts made that substantiate and bolster arguments and research that shreds the governments lies about 9-11?

Question: Why do Alex Jones and Jeff Rense feel they have the right to alter, delete and censor content from an author's work after publication and without the author's consent or knowledge?

Question: Don't Alex Jones and Jeff Rense want people to see that others are standing up for 9-11 truth?

Question: Why didn't Alex Jones and Jeff Rense respect the author, Doug Herman, and consult with him if they had issues with this article, prior to slicing and dicing it behind his back?

Question: What incentive do other authors have in submitting writings to either Alex Jones or Jeff Rense when there is a strong likelihood that such reports may be subjected to their sneaky censorship practices? If they have issues regarding a piece that they cannot resolve with an author (or refuse to even try), then why run it in the first place?

Question: How many other authors have been censored by Rense and Jones? Are we seeing a continuing pattern here?

17 Points Brought Out by Lisa Guliani Which Refuted Doug Thompson's arguments (originally cited in Douglas Herman's article before the reference was removed by Jeff Rense)

1. No steel reinforced structure has ever totally colapsed due to fire in history. EVER.

2. Assymetrical damage does not lead to symmetrical collapse. The fires did not burn uniformly, heat was not accumulating, it was ventilating. This is evidenced by all the broken windows.

3. The fires did not burn long enough nor hot enough to either weaken or melt the steel. Plasticity and elasticity are not strong arguments for the collapse of the buildings.

4. It takes 2,795 degrees F to melt steel. Hydrocarbon fires burn at a maximum temp of 1517 degrees F. Jet fuel burns at approximately 1800 degrees F. The fires were going out within minutes after the big fireballs we all saw. This is evidenced by the thick plumes of black smoke emanating from the buildings. Black smoke is indicative of an oxygen-starved fire, a suffocating fire, a fire that is going OUT.

5. The buildings fell in virtual free-fall time, defying Isaac Newton's 1st Law of Motion and Galileo's Law of Falling Bodies. Are you prepared to soundly refute the laws of physics, Doug?

6. The government has brought forth no solid proof of any of its allegations regarding 9-11. There is nothing proving that 19 Arab cave-dwellers outwitted a multi-trillion dollar air defense sytem on 9-11.

7. The FBI has contradicted itself regarding flight 77. First they said it was vaporized, and subsequently, they said they had reconstructed nearly all of the plane.

8. FEMA has contradicted the FBI regarding Flight 77. Who shall we believe, Doug?

9. Gravity makes objects fall straight down. On 9-11, steel and debris were ejected horizontally with force at great distances. Please explain how a gravity collapse can eject steel and debris with force HORIZONTALLY.

10. The pulverized concrete on 9-11 is indicative of use of a much greater energy source. Try pulverizing a chunk of concrete, Doug. Go ahead. Use a jackhammer. Drop it from a great height. Let me know how you make out.

11. Why don't you investigate the power-down at the WTC on the weekend prior to 9-11, Doug?

12. How is it possible that building 7 fell into its own footprint in exactly the same manner as WTC I and II when it was not hit by a plane?

13. How is it possible that the 110 floors of either tower did not provide tremendous amounts of resistance and slow the falls, when this was an enormous amount of mass and should have slowed the collapses?

14. Check out 9-11 on Trial. Our book lays out the case for WTC controlled demolition using NO conspiracy theory.

15. Check out our book Phantom Flight 93: The Shanksville Flight 93 Hoax.

16. Why don't you ask the FBI why they are suppressing videotapes that were siezed from the Citgo Gas Station, the Sheraton Hotel, the Dept. of Motor Vehicles, and the Pentagon's own surveillance cameras?

17. Can you explain why the exterior aluminum casing of the WTC towers did NOT melt when it has a lower melting threshhold than steel? How can the steel melt when the aluminum did not?

Ask yourself: Why would Jeff Rense deliberately delete a reference to the above points, all of which are essential elements of 9-11 truth?

And a follow up:

Rense & Alex Jones: Caught Red-Handed

Elan said:
It seems that Kurt Nimmo wasn't the only one to find Doug Thompson's statements on 911 "Conspiracy Theories" troubling. But what's become more interesting now is how the story of the Thompson article has been "covered" by Rense & Alex Jones.
Laura quoted this post here where you might also want to look for replies.
Rense & Alex Jones: Caught Red-Handed

Thanks for the pointer, EsoQuest. Interesting to see how well it fit in with the discussion.
Rense & Alex Jones: Caught Red-Handed

Just a quick note: Alex Jones' site no has the article online. The link is there on the page for Apr 3 but a click on that link redirects to some sort of subscribe page -- not the article.
Alex Jones Bullhorns Bilderberg Group

If they were the least bit interested in revealing what's hidden about 9/11, they should have asked for some input from you guys. Of course, it could be just a simple thing like ego or money that gets in the way. Is anybody going, even if its just to take notes?

Major New 9/11 Truth Symposium Coming To L.A.
Features Alex Jones, Professor Steven Jones, Former Star Wars Head Bob Bowman, Dylan Avery & Others

Paul Joseph Watson & Alex Jones/Prison | May 6 2006

In June 2006 researchers, scholars, journalists, media personalities, and average folks will come together from all over the USA to gather in Los Angeles to invite the rest of the world to examine the facts of 9/11.

Through powerful & insightful presentations from prominent guest speakers & riveting documentary screenings we will examine the Neo-Con Agenda and 9/11 as the pretext for the brutal on-going war in Iraq as well as the establishment's future plans.

This event can be billed as "Two Days Of Truth" and it is a challenge to the establish mouthpiece media that resolutely defends the government fairy tale version of what happened on that fateful day.

The conference will witness the premiere of Alex Jones' newest and most powerful film which largely focuses on the 7/7 London bombings and how the British government ran and exploited the attacks to accelerate big brother's control grid and cashless society.

Jones has been quietly working on this newest documentary for months in his production studio in Austin, Texas keeping even the title under wraps until the premiere at the American Scholars Symposium conference in June 2006.

Noted speakers included on the roster include Dylan Avery, whose Loose Change 2 film has received critical acclaim across the country, causing a mainstream media backlash seeking to debunk the evidence presented in the documentary. See the evidence for yourself and hear the commentary of talented young producer Avery as he counters the elite attack dogs.

This is guaranteed to be unlike any other conference of its kind - the first one ever presented by Alex Jones, a progenitor of the 9/11 Truth Movement who was the first speak out and challenge the government's official story of what happened on 9/11.

Come and experience the biggest ever 9/11 conference - More highly respected speakers than any other, more amazing films than any other, plus special surprise guests. Come to learn, come to share and come to help each other create new strategies to defend the constitution and save the republic from the grip of its greatest enemy.

Participation in this event is not limited to those who are already awake to the truth of 9/11, but is open to all who have questions about the official story. We also invite the mainstream media to join us as fellow truth seekers and face the facts about the events surrounding September 11th, 2001.

The conference will be held in the Sheraton's Grand Ballroom capable of accommodating up to 1000 attendees. The hotel is also adjacent to a modern shopping center full of shops and restaurants.

If you ever only attend one 9/11 event, make sure this is it.

Click here to visit the conference website.

Click here to purchase tickets right now.
Rense & Alex Jones: Caught Red-Handed

Who is "Jeff Rense"?
by Victor Thorn & Lisa Guliani

During our recent research of Mr. Jeff Rense, we've noticed an odd fact that others in this field have also pointed-out. There is virtually zero information on the Internet about "Jeff Rense." This anomaly exists despite what Rense himself touts as a long-heralded career in the mainstream media prior to entering the alternative media (including assignments as an 'award-winning' news anchor and news director, print journalist, author, and talk radio show host).

But there's virtually nothing on the Web to substantiate his past journalistic and broadcast career, which is peculiar being that he's supposedly been in this business for over two decades. No independent articles, interviews, or profiles other than those originating from his own website; and not even any photos except for variations of the cartoonish one on his website. It's like his entire tenure as a newsman has been whitewashed down the Orwellian Memory Hole. How can that be, especially when there is a plenitude of information on others like Alex Jones, Mike Ruppert, etc?

In addition, no one that we've ever encountered has ever physically seen Jeff Rense; he never appears at public events; and no one that we've ever spoken to can even produce a phone number for him (which is odd considering how many guests he's had on his show over the years).

So, considering the nature of "conspiracy research" and the paranoia surrounding it (both founded and unfounded), we feel that transparency among the people who comprise the alternative media is essential to maintain legitimacy. It's hard to imagine that anybody would argue this point.

So, we are making two simple requests of Jeff Rense:

1) Could you please provide the patriot community with a complete resume of your past career in the broadcasting/communications field, including places of employment, dates, addresses, plus contact names and numbers?

2) Could you please provide the patriot community with past photographs of yourself with others in your field that can be verified as to place and date (preferably from newspapers, magazines, company brochures, etc)?

We aren't casting any aspersions or suspicions on Mr. Rense with the above questions, for once we obtain this information we will be able to continue our research. At this point, the most glaring problem we face is a void of specific, independently verifiable data regarding Jeff Rense's past career.

So, as soon as we receive the above-requested information from Jeff Rense, we will continue our research and keep you updated on our findings.
9-11 conference in Los Angeles, 24/06/06

I just looked over the press release for that ...
they do make mention of the pentagon and goes so far as to say ...

"... The newly released Pentagon footage, which authorities claim reveals the nose cone of the plane that crashed into the unoccupied portion of the building, is likely to expose a whole new sector of the American public to the problems of the official account of 9/11. People who saw the footage and didn't see conclusive evidence of a plane are likely to go online, interact with a search engine and find a larger framework of questions about the official explanation.

Scholars such as Professor James Fetzer have suggested that the release of new footage is good news not because new evidence has been released, but because it shows that the government still has something to prove and that the 9/11 case is not closed in the public mind. It may actually bring more people into the movement for "9/11 Truth." ..."

Though of course with all things connected to this issue one has to ask for whom alex jones is working for ...

What exactly is wrong with Alex Jones?
Maybe someone here can explain why 99.9% of the writers and the people here do nothing but talk trash about Alex Jones.
The man has done more for the 9/11 truth movement then most of the other organizations put together and spends every waking hour working on informing the american public about the true issues at hand and i See him getting degraded in your articles because of the advertisement's on his radio show give me a break this guy does 2 3 hour radio shows a day and no crap he doesn't work this is his job and it isn't free for him to do all this so yeah people pay him to advertise on his site and his show but otherwise he wouldn't have the money to fund it all.
Anyway if anyone has some real argument's about what exactly is wrong with Alex Jones i would like to hear then otherwise i would say that this site simply seams to be a Neo-Con Disinformation source attempting to draw attention away from those drawing attention to the issues.

I happen to like Jones. I think he's loud and obnoxious, but seeing him get in people's faces is an enjoyable experience. However, the fact that he is well known, reaches a lot of people, etc. does not mean he is not a dupe. Jones, like most alternative researchers is good for some things, not for others. For example, I don't think I'm the only one who cringes when they hear him talking about Bohemian Grove and "the Evil Pagan God Moloch!" He is passionate when it comes to social control and exposing the beast, but he is not always the most discerning or objective researcher. I'd like to see Jones write an article on Zionism...

censoredbysott said:
edit : sorry i didnt use the article name in the post topic here is a article that deals with part of my post

interesting you cry about that then you delete the following post i made it seems that you yoursleves are what you claim to hate.
Hi - not sure what post you're speaking of that was deleted, but it might be good to remember that this is a forum and not a 'news site' - and as such, any post is subject to deletion if it breaks any of the rules of the forum, or if it is 'noise' - i.e., it is not adding any data to the discussion, but is just spouting off purely subjective opinion. There is a very large difference between a news site and a forum, but I'm sure you can understand that, despite your rather unfortunate choice for a screen name.

censoredbysott said:
What exactly is wrong with Alex Jones?
Maybe someone here can explain why 99.9% of the writers and the people here do nothing but talk trash about Alex Jones.
The man has done more for the 9/11 truth movement then most of the other organizations put together and spends every waking hour working on informing the american public about the true issues at hand and i See him getting degraded in your articles because of the advertisement's on his radio show give me a break this guy does 2 3 hour radio shows a day and no crap he doesn't work this is his job and it isn't free for him to do all this so yeah people pay him to advertise on his site and his show but otherwise he wouldn't have the money to fund it all.
Anyway if anyone has some real argument's about what exactly is wrong with Alex Jones i would like to hear then otherwise i would say that this site simply seams to be a Neo-Con Disinformation source attempting to draw attention away from those drawing attention to the issues.
Yes, you seem to be quite a big fan of Mr. Jones. I'm sure he appreciates it. Perhaps you should spend more time at his site supporting him and less time here, distracting us. Oh, and for the record, I too would like to see Mr. Jones write an article on Zionism.

censoredbysott said:
Yes I admit it all sounds a bit strange when he talks about the Grove but that is mainly because things are strange there check out the reaction he gets from grove member David Gergen when he confronts him about the ceremony that takes place and whether he was in the ceremony or not.

This may prove nothing to some but to me it validates his footage of the bohemian grove and even though I'm not religious i know about religion and its just wrong that a group claiming to be christians partake in Idol worship which Alex's footage of the cremation of care ceremony clearly shows, and I belive this is his main point when he rants about the grove is that our leaders are not in fact what they claim to be.
Yes, I agree that our leaders are into some sick feces. And when I said I enjoyed Jones 'getting in people's faces', it was partially in reference to Gergen! What irks me is his biased Christian and non-sholarly approach to religious and esoteric phenomena. The ancient pagan god Moloch of Bohemian Grove may as well be a representation of Yahweh, but you'll never hear Jones say that.

He may not be the most objective but he is normally pretty spot on about the things he talks about and the passion he has is exactly what everyone in the movement needs he is a vibrant inspiring speaker who leaves motivation in his wake but is often looked at as a bit of a nut because he often goes off on rants about things he has spoken in depth about in one of his previous documentaries but unless you have seen it he will sound just plain nuts.
Again, I agree. Perhaps what is needed is more than just the passion, otherwise you end up being all hype with no results. So, I think we both agree that Jones is not the most objective, but that is what we are striving for here, true objectivity. If that means pointint out how sincere researchers are lacking in this department, I think we must do it. We cannot excuse obvious biases and bad research just to 'be nice.' Jones is a tough guy. He can take criticism. It is what he does with said criticism that is important, imo.

P.S. your hair kicks ass it looks alot like Matt Stone Co-Creator of South Parks
Thanks. It used to be almost as long as Stone's... Until I realized I didn't really like it that way. :P

censoredbysottx2 said:
I agree my choice of name is sad, even more sad is the fact that the censorship didn\'t end with deleting my post it also included the gagging of my first account and the banning of my second and i had to make a 3rd account this is what you call the pot calling the kettle black you say Alex Jones is censoring this and that when you censor me because my input doesn\'t fit with your agenda this is also called being a hypocrite this should make fora interesting article.
Jones was caught censoring content of substance. Was your 'deleted' post of any substance? Or was it just "you guys suck for hating Jones!" My guess is that your post lacked any real content (i.e. research). We now know that you like Jones, as I do. However, that fact that I have a soft spot for his cantankerous castigations does not really matter. It is opinion. The facts show that Jones ignores important issues (e.g. Pentagon Strike, Zionism, Israel, Palestinian genocide, etc.). Perhaps this is because Jones himself is somewhat of a Christian Zionist? It is only a guess, but it seems plausible. Can you point me to any data that contradicts this hypothesis? I'd welcome it, and hopefully revise my hypothesis with the new data. Until then I will ask myself and others why Jones has so little to say about the influence of Zionism on the War of Terror.

As another example, I like Kiefer Sutherland. But when I see him on '24' torturing people for the good of his country, I need a sick bag.

censoredbysott said:
i would say that this site simply seams to be a Neo-Con Disinformation source attempting to draw attention away from those drawing attention to the issues.
Have you read any of the posts on this forum? Do you just read one or two articles and then come up with this judgement? You come in here just completely in your own subjective reality and denounce this site as disinfo. You wonder why you are banned? What are you providing here? Because we don't want to listen to you whine we are guilty of censoring? Grow up!

What's this preoccupation with how great Jones is anyway? Where does his philosophy lead? The guy reminds me of a televangelist. Oh yes, he's "against the government" so he must be just great :rolleyes:.

I'll take the Signs page over Info Wars any day, but if you like it, great. To each his own. Go and enjoy his work. And leave us the heck alone.

Concerning Alex Jones, here is something interesting

Alex Jones Video from Wednesday July 25 2001, warning about september 11th and Osama Bin Laden, months before it happened!
Now, is this true? If so, then, since we know it wasn't Osama Bin Laden, we may have some idea about where is Alex Jones getting his "information" from.
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