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"Project SERPO" story: HOAX

We come now to my own exchange with Bill Ryan of SERPO.

The posting of the SERPO stuff on the Sarfatti list happened in late Dec of 2005. We published the Flying Fish article on about Dec 31st, following which we had the little to-do with abovetopsecret.com which I have chronicled on my blog. Things died down until this next item. From here on out, it will be self-explanatory..

Subject: ATS are menacing me
Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 02:24:39 +0000 (GMT)
From: Bill Ryan *******
Reply-To: bill.ryan*******
To: sott*******

I run Serpo.org and ATS have been trying to discredit me. Now they have sent me this email, who do they think they are the Mafia?Please don't use my name in this, but check out what they are doing to me and my site, its a brutal smear campaign.email below...

Bill you sure made a fool of yourself over the last email. I don't recommend such hysterics again. Remember we can deny just as loud as you can shout. You failed the first loyalty test. Just like Victor has done, you need to decide which side your bread is buttered on.

Lets get down to business.Your website and book will never succeed with our presence on the internet. We dominate Google and any searches will bring up serpo killing threads first.

Your credability is zero.However we can change this, instead of fighting ATS why not work with us? Here is the proposal.

1. You give to ATS the serpo site and all materials within. We will brand it with our own logo and promote it on the internet. Afterall we own it already, just as a giant parasite can own its host. If we suck blood you die.

2. We will market and promote the site and the material. We will also use our lawyers and publishers to publish the site and attendant information in book and movie formats.Royalties will be divided between us and yourself. As there are 3 of us and only 1 of you, you recieve 25% of all royalties. Twenty five percent is better than nothing, so its a good deal.You will be expected to divide your royalities between any partners on your side. Get Victor a decent computer out of his share to save us more hassle.

3 All further communication on the serpo topic will be vetted by ATS admin before being added to the site. 4 ATS writers will take over from the flawed Anon 2 that you are using. We have some very good talent on ATS who can write professionally much better than your current weak writers are attempting. Too many logical holes, poor proofiing of facts.

Your position will be to defend such writing in the public arena, as you are currently doing, leaving the ATS admin as silent partners.

We are happy to write your own defence articles for you, as well as publish them under your name. That way you won't have to do anything. In the future we may also see you moderate the serpo forum on ATS as a staff member. Many of our staff have successfully integrated their sites into ours on a similar basis to that proposed
here.

We forsee ATS as a world wide conspiracy portal with sites such as yours incorporated into it. The few sites that have not followed our direction have disappeared from the net soon after, we have powerful backers with many talents.We expect your agreement to this proposal. The consequences of refusing our fine gesture will see your site and hard work wasted, no one wants that sad future.

http://www.sharpmail.co.uk - "Live in your world, email in ours" Send 'fake' email for free!

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From: Laura Knight-Jadczyk
To: <bill.ryan*******>
Subject: Re: [Fwd: ATS are menacing me]
Copies to: bill.ryan@*******
Date sent: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 14:35:38 +0100


Hi,
Can you send me the original email from the ATS people (the entire exchange
would be helpful, with FULL headers?

Do you want me to publish an article about this?

Don't see how I could do that without using your name and site. If I don't
use your name, the ATS people will know anyway. So using your name and the site address might actually give you more protection.

Up to you.

Laura Knight-Jadczyk
Date sent: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 08:39:03 +0000
Subject: Re: [Fwd: ATS are menacing me]
From: Bill Ryan
To: Laura Knight-Jadczyk

Hi, Laura -

Yes, I¹d very much like to talk and co-operate! But first...

I NEVER SENT YOU THIS:

“I run Serpo.org and ATS have been trying to discredit me. Now they have sent me this email, who do they think they are the Mafia?Please don't use my name in this, but check out what they are doing to me and my site, its a brutal smear campaign.email below...Bill you sure made a fool of yourself over the last email.”

What did you get, and from whom and when?

I¹d also be happy to talk on the phone to disentangle this... someone, somewhere, is intent on causing a lot of damage. (Interestingly, we also know that they are on Victor Martinez¹s UFO list.)

It looks as if the mischief-maker¹s intention was to persuade you to take up the crusade on my behalf. Maybe, therefore, this is a reason why you should NOT do this!!

To clarify, I did get this message, pasted here in full, verbatim ­ but I DID NOT forward it to anyone whomsoever and merely ignored it. ³sharpmail² is an e-mail faking program... the authors are seeking to wreak havoc with this, intent on discrediting me themselves. My thoughts are to ignore it... then it¹ll fade out and go away. What they probably want to see is a reaction.

But the possibility remains that this is actually someone from within ATS itself ­ disguising their malice as sharpmail is a kind of plausible deniability: they can always say ³Hey! This is not us. It¹s some kid fooling around.² The content of the original faked mail I received, drawing my attention to their very malicious http://www.projectserpo.org (which is full of falsehoods, however they got there), indicated that there is a strong link between ATS and the faked mails. I¹ll append that one below the longer one below, so you have sight of both.

All thoughts welcome!

Best wishes to you,

Bill


------ Forwarded Message
From: The three Amigos <admin@abovetopsecret.com>
Reply-To: "admin@abovetopsecret.com" <12884215-1173@sharpmail.co.uk>
Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 02:18:13 +0000 (GMT)
To: <bill.ryan*******>
Subject: tut tut Bill.

Bill you sure made a fool of yourself over the last email. I don't recommend such hysterics again. Remember we can deny just as loud as you can shout. You failed the first loyalty test. Just like Victor has done, you need to decide which side your bread is buttered on.

Lets get down to business.Your website and book will never succeed with our presence on the internet. We dominate Google and any searches will bring up serpo killing threads first.

Your credability is zero.However we can change this, instead of fighting ATS why not work with us? Here is the proposal.

1. You give to ATS the serpo site and all materials within. We will brand it with our own logo and promote it on the internet. Afterall we own it already, just as a giant parasite can own its host. If we suck blood you die.

2. We will market and promote the site and the material. We will also use our lawyers and publishers to publish the site and attendant information in book and movie formats.Royalties will be divided between us and yourself. As there are 3 of us and only 1 of you, you recieve 25% of all royalties. Twenty five percent is better than nothing, so its a good deal.You will be expected to divide your royalities between any partners on your side. Get Victor a decent computer out of his share to save us more hassle.

3 All further communication on the serpo topic will be vetted by ATS admin before being added to the site. 4 ATS writers will take over from the flawed Anon 2 that you are using. We have some very good talent on ATS who can write professionally much better than your current weak writers are attempting. Too many logical holes, poor proofiing of facts.

Your position will be to defend such writing in the public arena, as you are currently doing, leaving the ATS admin as silent partners.

We are happy to write your own defence articles for you, as well as publish them under your name. That way you won't have to do anything. In the future we may also see you moderate the serpo forum on ATS as a staff member. Many of our staff have successfully integrated their sites into ours on a similar basis to that proposed
here.

We forsee ATS as a world wide conspiracy portal with sites such as yours incorporated into it. The few sites that have not followed our direction have disappeared from the net soon after, we have powerful backers with many talents.We expect your agreement to this proposal. The consequences of refusing our fine gesture will see your site and hard work wasted, no one wants that sad future.

http://www.sharpmail.co.uk - "Live in your world, email in ours" Send
'fake' email for free!
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------ Forwarded Message
From: anon <admin@abovetopsecret.com>
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 04:26:52 +0000 (GMT)
To: <bill.ryan*******>
Subject: you are owned...

We now have the domain ProjectSerpo.org At some point tomorrow,this will be on the url http://www.abovetopsecret.com/serpo/give up your book deal, ATS will rip your integrity out.

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Since I hadn't received an answer to my Feb 16 email, Ark had also written to Bill Ryan, so here is that exchange:

From: Arkadiusz Jadczyk
Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 00:43:58 +0100
To: <bill.ryan*******>
Cc: <*******>
Subject: (Fwd) Re: [Fwd: ATS are menacing me]

Hi,

As we are not sure if you have received our email, here is the copy
of the email to you from Laura. It is VERY important to analyze the
exact copies of the emails you think you received from ATS. They may
have been faked. They may be coming from someone else - for instance
from Vincent Bridges or from Simon Grey himself writing via a proxy.
Therefore, if you are SERIOUS - forward to us the WHOLE emails,
headers intacted. Then, prhaps, we will be able to suggest something
useful. Otherwise we will consider it being a bad joke.

Regards,

ark
Date sent: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 09:05:31 +0000
Subject: Re: (Fwd) Re: [Fwd: ATS are menacing me]
From: Bill Ryan
To: Arkadiusz Jadczyk
Copies to: Laura Knight-Jadczyk

Hi, Ark -

Very many thanks ­ I replied to Laura just now. I do very much appreciate
your interest. I would say that this definitely comes under the heading of
abuse!

The first message was this:

We now have the domain ProjectSerpo.org At some point tomorrow,this will be on the url http://www.abovetopsecret.com/serpo/give up your book deal, ATS will rip your integrity out.

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Here is the header:

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Subject: you are owned...
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The second message was this:

Bill you sure made a fool of yourself over the last email. <snipped>

And here¹s the header:

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From: "The three Amigos" <admin@abovetopsecret.com>
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Subject: tut tut Bill.
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The second message was a reply to my response to the first, which I sent to
this group (so we can assume that the sender of the second message was one
of these people):

To: anon <admin@abovetopsecret.com>, "Mark@abovetopsecret.com"
<Mark@abovetopsecret.com>, <SkepticOverLord@abovetopsecret.com>
Cc: Dr Harold E Puthoff
George Knapp
<snip private emails>
<Apollinair@*******>,
<ArtBell@*******>,
<snip more private emails>
*******
<snip more emails>
*******
<Colm_Kelleher*******>,
<snip>
<DandelionBooks@*******>,
<DanTSmith@*******>,
<DarkEditor@aol.com>,
Dee777@aol.com
<snip bunch more>
<DerrelWSims@*******>
<snip a vew more>
<Dmmcmah@sandia.gov>,
<DonaldMetzger.militaryemail@*******>,
<DonWare@*******>,
<DrBobWood@*******>,
<DrJLake@*******>,
<DrMSalla@exopolitics.org>,
<EarthFiles@earthfiles.com>,
<snip bunch more>
<EnterpriseMission2001@yahoo.com>,
<EricKrieg@*******>,
<Ernst.KellerStrass@wpafb.af.mil>,
<ETDiplomat@aol.com>,
<snip>
<GNoory2000@yahoo.com>,
<GSB@starstreamresearch.com>,
<snip some more>
<Info@disclosureproject.org>,
<InstituteNewEnergy@sbcglobal.net>,
<snip bunch more>
<Joe.Firmage@corp.manyone.net>,
Richard Dolan
<snip bunch more>
Eugenia Macer-Story
<snip bunch more>
<RickDoty166@msn.com>,
<snip even more>
Saul-Paul Sirag
<SkepticOverLord@abovetopsecret.com>,
<still more snipped>
<TheRealJimMarrs@yahoo.com>,
<big snip>
<Whitley@unknowncountry.com>,
Victor Martinez"
Capt Robert M Collins <Figaro*******>

With best wishes to you both ­ Bill
(+44) *******
From: Laura Knight-Jadczyk
To: Bill Ryan
Subject: Re: [Fwd: ATS are menacing me]
Date sent: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 11:09:07 +0100

On 18 Feb 2006, at 8:39, Bill Ryan wrote:

> Yes, I¹d very much like to talk and co-operate! But first...
>
> I NEVER SENT YOU THIS:
>
> I run Serpo.org and ATS have been trying to discredit me. Now they have sent
> > me this email, who do they think they are the Mafia?Please don't use my
> name > in this, but check out what they are doing to me and my site, its a
> brutal > smear campaign.email below...Bill you sure made a fool of yourself
> over the > last email.
>
> What did you get, and from whom and when?

Well, we suspected as much because it just didn't seem "right" for some
reason. That's why we ask before we do anything.

But, considering that we have had our own issues with ATS, and I have
published about it, including numerous emails that "insiders" have sent me,
it wasn't TOO unusual to receive such an email.

>
> I¹d also be happy to talk on the phone to disentangle this... someone,
> somewhere, is intent on causing a lot of damage. (Interestingly, we also know
> that they are on Victor Martinez¹s UFO list.)

Not a surprise.

You might want to see my series of blogs on the subject of ATS here:

http://laura-knight-jadczyk.blogspot.com/2006/01/is-above-top-secret-forum-cointelpro.html

http://laura-knight-jadczyk.blogspot.com/2006/01/how-to-spot-cointelpro-agents.html

http://laura-knight-jadczyk.blogspot.com/2006/01/cointelpro-updates-above-top-secret.html

http://laura-knight-jadczyk.blogspot.com/2006/01/abovetopsecretcom-cointelpro-update_10.html

http://laura-knight-jadczyk.blogspot.com/2006/01/abovetopsecretcom-cointelpro-update-2.html

http://laura-knight-jadczyk.blogspot.com/2006/01/more-inside-scoops-on.html
http://laura-knight-jadczyk.blogspot.com/2006/01/spider-and-fly-skepticoverlord-and.html

http://laura-knight-jadczyk.blogspot.com/2006/01/cult-of-plausible-lie.html
http://laura-knight-jadczyk.blogspot.com/2006/01/abovetopsecret-ethics-and-google-bombs.html


And then, just the opening paragraph of this blog article refers to ATS:

http://laura-knight-jadczyk.blogspot.com/2006/02/abortion-psychopaths-and-mother-love.html

We have done some investigation and discovered many interesting things about ATS and I think they know what they are hiding, so they suspect that we know what we know but aren't saying... yet.

>
> It looks as if the mischief-maker¹s intention was to persuade you to take up
> the crusade on my behalf. Maybe, therefore, this is a reason why you should
> NOT do this!!

Yes. Seems like some kind of "bait."

>
> To clarify, I did get this message, pasted here in full, verbatim ­ but I DID
> NOT forward it to anyone whomsoever and merely ignored it. ³sharpmail² is an
> e-mail faking program... the authors are seeking to wreak havoc with this,
> intent on discrediting me themselves. My thoughts are to ignore it... then
> it¹ll fade out and go away. What they probably want to see is a reaction.

Yes. Well, if you read my blog posts on ATS, you'll have a pretty good idea
of what I think already. And apparently, they "backed off" from going
after us because we have too much web presence already, and decided to try
tricks instead.

>
> But the possibility remains that this is actually someone from within ATS
> itself ­ disguising their malice as sharpmail is a kind of plausible
> deniability: they can always say ³Hey! This is not us. It¹s some kid fooling
> around.² The content of the original faked mail I received, drawing my
> attention to their very malicious http://www.projectserpo.org (which is full
> of falsehoods, however they got there), indicated that there is a strong link
> between ATS and the faked mails. I¹ll append that one below the longer one
> below, so you have sight of both.

That sounds about right. At the same time, I also think that the "faked
email" may very well represent their "attitude" and intentions. We think
that cointelpro operations like this need to be exposed, but OH, so
carefully.

>
> All thoughts welcome!

Read my blog posts about them and then maybe we can put our heads together and come up with a strategy.

Laura
From: Laura Knight-Jadczyk
To: Bill Ryan
Subject: Re: (Fwd) Re: [Fwd: ATS are menacing me]
Date sent: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 11:40:06 +0100



On 18 Feb 2006, at 9:05, Bill Ryan wrote:

> The second message was a reply to my response to the first, which I sent to
> this group (so we can assume that the sender of the second message was one of
> these people):

Okay, this is interesting. We either know or know of many of the people on
this email list.

I shared the info with Kurt Nimmo and John Kaminski - both of whom are very
concerned with the cointelpro factor that they see in the 9-11 truth
movement - we have all three been subjected to all kinds of covert and not
so covert attacks. I think it is all connected with the whole New Age, UFO
cointelpro gang.

I know that "coast to coast" is cointelpro (darkeditor on the list), and
there are others that we have identified over the years that I see on the
list. There are some we KNOW are working (either consciously or
unconsciously) for the "Powers That Be." And others that we suspect. I'll
comment on a few of them:

<admin@abovetopsecret.com>, "Mark@abovetopsecret.com"
<Mark@abovetopsecret.com>, <SkepticOverLord@abovetopsecret.com>

Pretty sure about the ATS people being gov funded cointelpro on a pretty
large project.

Dr Harold E Puthoff <Puthoff@*******> Probably.

<Apollinair@aol.com> Isn't this John Alexander? If so, he's a certainty.
After "Blue Resonant Human" interacted with him, he was "taken out"
completely. Long story and maybe I'll tell it someday.


<ArtBell@mindspring.com> Certain.

<CloudRider@*******> Dick Farley is interesting. Never could make up my
mind which side he was on.


<DandelionBooks@cox.net> Know a couple people who [say they] have been royally taken by this one.


<Dee777@aol.com> Unconscious dupe. Airhead, basically.

<DonWare@*******> I've thought Don Ware was a "dupe" for a long time. But don't know where his head is nowadays so can't say.

<EnterpriseMission2001@yahoo.com> Pretty sure that Hoagland has been co-opted. But I always leave it open that he could just be an unconscious
dupe. Anybody who doesn't study the "enemy" has no possibility of avoiding
the traps.

<Info@disclosureproject.org> dupe or conscious disinfo.

<Joe.Firmage@*******> Think Joe had good intentions, but not sharp enough to see the manipulations.


<MagickMirr@*******> Eugenia is, IMO, either schizoid or psychopath... VERY nasty customer.

<Whitley@unknowncountry.com> definitely cointelpro - but maybe not
conscious.

If you want to talk, what is a good time to call? You are in UK, right? We
are in France.

Laura
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From: "bill.ryan*******
To: Laura
Date sent: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 07:11:12 -0500
Subject: Re: (Fwd) Re: [Fwd: ATS are menacing me]

Hi, Laura -

Many thanks. This really is very interesting to me.

A brief reply just now...

I'd also classify Hal Puthoff as a friend, though I've only met him once.
I'd stake everything I own on the fact that he's clean as well... though I
know he's been an "insider" since his SRI days. Basically, he's a very
ethical guy and I'm certain would not be part of any dirty tricks.

Yes, It'd be a pleasure to talk... my number is ***********.
Tomorrow morning (Sunday) would be ideal, as then I have a four hour car
journey and you'd have my total attention.

Best,
Bill
Send reply to: bill.ryan*******
From: *******
To: Laura Knight-Jadczyk
Date sent: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 08:29:44 -0500
Subject: Re: [Fwd: ATS are menacing me]

Thanks, Laura - the delay getting back to you here is because I was reading
your blogs with considerable interest.

I must say, I do feel I was definitely lured/tempted on to ATS, rather like
the sirens luring the unwitting sailor on to the rocks. At first I was
greeted like the Prodigal Son, but then they gradually changed their tune
and are now totally hostile; it's now being heavily and positively promoted
by them that I'm a hoaxer, even to the extent of their having set up a
special website to this end. That really bewildered and angered me.

I'm NOT a hoaxer... I assure you of that personally. The COINTELPRO
explanation is the only one that answers why they're going to such extreme
ends to attack me after I'd done my best and bust a gut to answer all and
any questions...

My stance is that (I hope!) the Serpo information will vindicate me in the
end...

Best,
Bill
I didn't call Bill because I was out and I figured the whole thing was just an attempt by ATS to stir stuff up. I thought that if Ryan didn't respond to them, and we stayed out of it, nothing more would come of the issue. Ten days passed and I received this:


Send reply to: bill.ryan*******
From: "bill.ryan*******
To: Laura Knight-Jadczyk
Copies to: sott@signs-of-the-times
Date sent: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 14:06:21 -0500
Subject: More on ATS

Dear Laura, Ark,

Please click here...

http://www.serpo.org/debate.html

...to read an account of the latest ATS dirty tricks, which really took my
breath away.

The original page is here, which the above replaced:

http://www.serpo.org/debatejrikzf.html

You will see that it references hundreds of pages of links to the (now
closed) original ATS Serpo forum. The debate at that time was high quality
and even-handed.

Every one of those links has now been redirected to their debunking
projectserpo.org site. The debate has been quashed and hijacked. “Deny
Ignorance” (ATS’s supposed watchword), with heavy irony, is more like
“promote dishonest thinking using any means, fair or foul”.

You’ll see that I have referenced all your COINTELPRO links. There a lot of
visitors to my serpo.org site, and a large number of them will now be
alerted to your thesis. There will now be a counter-attack... I’m sure. I
hope it’s fine with you that I’m keeping you updated with these
developments.

By no means everything in the research summary was pro-Serpo, but it was
honest and even-handed. The team of eight (who are not involved in this
latest development) put a lot of work into it. It was also an excellent
means by which new visitors could follow the various arguments pro and con.
This is now no longer available and has been completely quashed.

With best wishes, Bill

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From: Laura Knight-Jadczyk
To: bill.ryan@*******
Subject: Re: More on ATS
Date sent: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 22:04:48 +0100



On 1 Mar 2006, at 14:06, bill.ryan@******* wrote:
<snip>

> Every one of those links has now been redirected to their debunking
> projectserpo.org site. The debate has been quashed and hijacked. “Deny
> Ignorance” (ATS’s supposed watchword), with heavy irony, is more like
> “promote dishonest thinking using any means, fair or foul”.

We suspected as much when they tried their heavy handed tactics on us. But
we've been working in this field now for quite a few years and my husband
has 30 years experience as an educatior and administrator so there's not
much that gets past him.

>
> You’ll see that I have referenced all your COINTELPRO links. There a lot of
> visitors to my serpo.org site, and a large number of them will now be alerted
> to your thesis. There will now be a counter-attack... I’m sure. I hope it’s
> fine with you that I’m keeping you updated with these developments.

Of course. I think that the number one thing that people need to be aware
of today is Pathocratic COINTELPRO. It's a plague on the human race.

>
> By no means everything in the research summary was pro-Serpo, but it was
> honest and even-handed. The team of eight (who are not involved in this
> latest development) put a lot of work into it. It was also an excellent means
> by which new visitors could follow the various arguments pro and con. This is
> now no longer available and has been completely quashed.

I just wish I had time to look into it more myself, but I don't. I'm trying
to get some of our researchers interested in having a look but you have to
understand that our team has seen just about everything you can ever imagine
and they have followed links and paper trails until they feel like they are going
blind, and what we mostly find, again and again is circles within circles, lies
and disinformation, and it's hard as the dickens to pick the
gems out of the mud. We've been flamed and stalked and threatened and
harassed in ways that most people can't even imagine; and only because we
have a large, bright group that keeps their eyes open have we managed to
stay out of the traps.

If you could point me to one or two pages that give the synopsis of the
whole thing with any pertinent research findings (positive and negative)
that would help.

Best,

Laura
Send reply to: bill.ryan@*******
From: "bill.ryan*******
To: Laura Knight-Jadczyk
Copies to: sott@signs-of-the-times
Date sent: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 19:34:57 -0500
Subject: Re: More on ATS

Hi, Laura, Ark -

Many thanks. I had no need to urge you to consider all the
Serpo information (which is a really complex labyrinth) - the
issue was ATS. The ATS dirty tricks were rolled out very
much to quash even-handed debate on Serpo (whether true,
false, or some of each), and is simply crude, heavy-duty
propaganda to browbeat people into believing that it's a hoax.

Why would they feel they have to do that so desperately?
THAT's the issue I wanted to report...

With best wishes to you both -

Bill
And that is it so far.

At this moment, I'm tending toward Anart's explanation. The material itself probably is a hoax. As some of Jack Sarfatti's food fight list members said about Jack, I'm inclined to agree with ATS on this one (surprise) though I don't think they are pronouncing it a hoax for the sake of the truth. They probably DO want to own it. And maybe they DID write that email to Bill Ryan and thought they would drag us into it by sending it to us, or thought that they would embarass Ryan into compliance by sending it to us. Or maybe the whole "food fight" between ATS and SERPO is set up just to generate interest.

We need more data to make a determination about the parties behind this though I think we can pretty well conclude that the SERPO material itself is, as Sarfatti says, garbage.
 
abovetopscret.com EXPOSED!!!!

Simon Gray, original creator of ATS, Schedules First Interview

The previously unheard voice of AboveTopSecret.com founder SIMON GRAY will be heard on Friday March 10th on Ross Hemsworth's "Now THAT'S Weird" radio show.

Simon Gray will be the special guest of Ross Hemsworth on the Internet radio show Now THAT'S Weird on Friday March 10th.

Simon will be given the airwaves for one hour from 10 p.m. - 11 p.m. GMT (5 - 6 p.m. EST) and will be talking about why he set up ATS, and the plans for the future, as well as talking about who he is and why he has an interest in these issues.

You can tune in live at www.nettalkradio.co.uk
Gee, how interesting. ....I wonder what promted him to come out of hiding?....

see Laura Knight Jadczyk's blog:

Is the Above Top Secret Forum COINTELPRO?

How to Spot COINTELPRO Agents

COINTELPRO Updates: Above Top Secret Forum

Abovetopsecret.com COINTELPRO Update

More Inside Scoops on Abovetopsecret.com!

The Spider and The Fly: SkepticOverlord and COINTELPRO

The Cult of the Plausible Lie

Abovetopsecret: Ethics and Google Bombs

[I think this is the best forum to put this in, perhaps a new COINTELPRO forum would be good?]
 
'Simon Grey', creator of ATS schedules first interview

That is interesting. It seems there is far too much at stake for the 'folks' behind ATS to let it become yesterday's news, as it were. I wonder what recording this interview using voice recognition technology might reveal if that recording were compared to other voices in the CoIntelpro community?
 
'Simon Grey', creator of ATS schedules first interview

Shane said:
Gee, how interesting. ....I wonder what promted him to come out of hiding?....
Hehe :) I'll try to listen to it just for the entertainment from hearing all the lies he will be spouting...
 
abovetopscret.com EXPOSED!!!!

Hi everyone,

Below is the copied post from "Important Notices to All Forum Members" regarding the Simon grey subject:



I just got home from work a little while ago, hence the delay in my reposting the missing subject matter.

This morning went I got up the signs forum was not active and stayed that way until I went to work.

I posted the original post at about 4:00 am eastern time US.

I didn't save the post (funny, I usually do) but below is the same information. I also posted a summary of the same information at casschat last night: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/casschat/message/23718

The title to the post was "Simon Grey: Christian Baily: a possible Williams connection?

If anyone hasn't read Laura's blog on the subject, I highly suggest doing so to understand the depth of the situation.

Is Is the Above Top Secret Forum COINTELPRO?

COINTELPRO Updates: Above Top Secret Forum <-- this post is most pertinent to the current Simon Grey issue.

Abovetopsecret.com COINTELPRO Update

AboveTopSecret.com COINTELPRO Update 2

More Inside Scoops on Abovetopsecret.com!

The Spider and The Fly: SkepticOverlord and COINTELPRO

Abovetopsecret: Ethics and Google Bombs

Now, the attack, and yes I'm pretty convinced it was an attack, could have had several purposes:

1. The original post contained information that stuck a pretty big nerve and the attackers either didn't want the information out or needed some time for 'control damage'

2. The attack was a distraction to place an emphasis on the posted material to misguide further research.

3. Some other reason.

It was interesting that immediately after I posted, the people visiting the board shot up from two to about seven or so, some members and some guests (does SotT have log records for this time?) - within another ten or so minutes there was only me on the board. From the time that I posted to the time I left (about fifteen min. later) the post received nine hits. (there were two versions of the post as I explained on casschat - in the first I thought the below Russell Williams and Randy Williams were the same name - the first post was the one that I saw getting nine hits - I deleted and replaced it, mostly because I wanted to change the title, which I found from my errors in rechecking, to be somewhat misleading "Simon Grey: Russell Williams: Christian Bailey: I think this is it")

I'm including the whole posts from the forums I initially got the information from as there could be some smaller details that could prove to be useful.

Here is the post:

This is from the forum "Moon of Alabama"
http://www.moonofalabama.org/2005/06/blowback.html#c6212353
Bernhard said:
Whois lookup for the domainnames sorted by day of creation

lincolnam.com - Lincoln Asset Management
Registrant:
Russell Williams

660 4th St, Suite 160
San Francisco CA 94107
US
Domain Management Services
rw99@bigfoot.com
+1-760-923-8140

Domain Name Created On: 2001-06-19 16:00:00.0
Domain Name Expires On: 2007-07-05 00:00:00.0
-----------------------------
lincolngroup.com
Registrant:
lincolngroup.com
1130 17th St NW Suite 400
Washington, DC 20036
US

Administrative Contact, Technical Contact, Zone Contact:
lincolngroup.com
Christian Bailey

1130 17th St NW Suite 400
Washington, DC 20036
US
760-923-8140
661-760-8648 [fax]
rw99@bigfoot.com
Domain created on 18-Jul-2002
Domain expires on 19-Jul-2006
Last updated on 05-May-2005
------------------------
lincolncorp.com
Registrant:
Russell Williams

660 4th St, Suite 160
San Francisco CA 94107
US
Domain Management Services
rw99@bigfoot.com
+1-760-923-8140

Domain Name Created On: 2003-10-22 17:10:00.0
Domain Name Expires On: 2006-10-22 00:00:00.0
-----------------------------------------
[b/]iraqex.com
Registrant:
Russell Williams[/b]
660 4th St, Suite 160
San Francisco CA 94107
US
Domain Management Services
rw99@bigfoot.com
+1-760-923-8140

Domain Name Created On: 2003-11-04 09:32:00.0
Domain Name Expires On: 2006-11-03 23:00:00.0
------------------------------------
----

I cańt find anything on a related Russell Williams yet.

Note that in an email exchange documented under www.interesting-people.org Christian Bailey does use the email address rw99@bigfoot.com - also used for domain registration by Russell Williams.

The domain that has been updated is lincolngroup.com and only there Christian Bailey is named. Maybe some R.Williams left the company association and the email account? Don't know - keep hunting.

Posted by: b | Jun 13, 2005 5:14:13 PM
Now remember "Russell Williams".

At the LetsRoll911 forum we find the following post:

ElGringoLoco said:
**Edit again:
Look who owns their own airplane:
hfb738g120011222fral.jpg

Probably coinsidence but regardless, I find it interesting.

See Edit below for the info regarding this. End Edit**

**Edit:
EV1 also shows an address of 390 Benmar Drive, Houston Texas. Suite 200
This address is shared by "Hapag Lloyd America" an importer / exporter it appears and also "Oil & Gas Asset Clearinghouse" and "Petroleum Place Energy Advisors"

For anyone who read my post earlier, this is just more info I looked up a moment ago. It doesn't appear many of you have looked into what Im posting cause no one has anything to add.

To narrarate it all, it appears that Above top secret, The place saying there is a plane at the pentagon, those who claim this is a dis info site, and "Al Quaida" are all linked through "Everyones Internet Inc.". (EV1)

EV1 could be a dis info source that links many sites together for the government. Then again, Maybe it's nothing and just one big coincidence... Like the coincifdence that had all those terrorist drills on the day that happened to have a terrorist attack Razz

This address search for 390 Benmar driver returned these results:

Results: 4 listings matching "390 Benmar Drive, Houston, TX"
New Search Modify Search Printer-Friendly

Hapag Lloyd Americamore info
390 Benmar Dr
Houston, TX 77060
(281) 405-4800
1 of 4
Add to MyInfo AddressBook
Save to Outlook
E-mail to Friends

Hapag Lloyd Americamore info
390 Benmar Dr
Houston, TX 77060
(281) 405-9800
2 of 4
Add to MyInfo AddressBook
Save to Outlook
E-mail to Friends

Oil & Gas Asset Clearinghousemore info
390 Benmar Dr
Houston, TX 77060
(281) 873-4600
3 of 4
Add to MyInfo AddressBook
Save to Outlook
E-mail to Friends

Petroleum Place Energy Advisorsmore info
390 Benmar Dr
Houston, TX 77060
(281) 873-4603

Check this out and let me know what you guys think.
Are EV1 (Everyones Internet inc.) a Dis info front? **End of Edit

Below you will find whois info for a few places...

..a site where they bash letsroll911 (YY2).
...that Pentagon analysis on above top secret and
....above top secret.

They all carry a similar theme. They are all provided by EV1.
EVI was the company loading "Al quaida" dis info and propoganda according to the people below.

I also did some other searching but I would like you all to look over the who is info, look at the rest, and tell me if we are onto something.
Im not very good with who is but it looks to me like there are alot of coincidences.
I looked into Randy Williams and he has lived in more places than I knew a person could live. Possible aliases?
He shows 17 addresses in Houston amongst many others at airforce bases and etc.

Kind of weird but maybe it's nothing.

Let me know what you find...


YY2.COM (Claims this site is dis info)

67.15.50.50
Record Type: IP Address

OrgName: Everyones Internet, Inc.
OrgID: EVRY
Address: 2600 Southwest Freeway
Address: Suite 500
City: Houston
StateProv: TX
PostalCode: 77098
Country: US

NetRange: 67.15.0.0 - 67.15.175.255
CIDR: 67.15.0.0/17, 67.15.128.0/19, 67.15.160.0/20
NetName: EVRY-BLK-15
NetHandle: NET-67-15-0-0-1
Parent: NET-67-0-0-0-0
NetType: Direct Allocation
NameServer: NS1.EV1.NET
NameServer: NS2.EV1.NET
Comment:
RegDate: 2004-02-06
Updated: 2004-10-11

TechHandle: RW172-ARIN
TechName: Williams, Randy
TechPhone: +1-713-400-5400
TechEmail: admin@ev1.net

OrgAbuseHandle: ABUSE477-ARIN
OrgAbuseName: ABUSE
OrgAbusePhone: +1-713-400-5400
OrgAbuseEmail: abuse@ev1.net

OrgNOCHandle: NOC1445-ARIN
OrgNOCName: NOC
OrgNOCPhone: +1-713-400-5400
OrgNOCEmail: noc@ev1.net

OrgTechHandle: RW172-ARIN
OrgTechName: Williams, Randy
OrgTechPhone: +1-713-400-5400
OrgTechEmail: admin@ev1.net

OrgTechHandle: VST3-ARIN
OrgTechName: Stinson, Valarie
OrgTechPhone: +1-713-400-5400
OrgTechEmail: admin2@ev1.net

_____________________________________________________________________________________

domain or IP address
domain whois record DNS records traceroute
network whois record service scan

user: [anonymous] 4/100
log in | get account

canonical name ev1s-67-15-50-50.ev1servers.net.
aliases
addresses 67.15.50.50

Domain Whois record
Queried whois.internic.net with "dom ev1servers.net"...

Whois Server Version 1.3

Domain names in the .com and .net domains can now be registered
with many different competing registrars. Go to http://www.internic.net
for detailed information.

Domain Name: EV1SERVERS.NET
Registrar: TUCOWS INC.
Whois Server: whois.opensrs.net
Referral URL: http://domainhelp.tucows.com
Name Server: NS2.EV1SERVERS.NET
Name Server: NS1.EV1SERVERS.NET
Status: REGISTRAR-LOCK
Updated Date: 10-nov-2004
Creation Date: 31-jul-2003
Expiration Date: 31-jul-2005

Registrant:
Ev1Servers.net
390 Benmar Drive
Suite 200
Houston, TX 77060
US

Domain name: EV1SERVERS.NET

Administrative Contact:
Manager, Domain domainmanager@ev1.net
390 Benmar Drive
Suite 200
Houston, TX 77060
US
+1.7133337873 Fax: +1.7139429332

Technical Contact:
Manager, Domain domainmanager@ev1.net
390 Benmar Drive
Suite 200
Houston, TX 77060
US
+1.7133337873 Fax: +1.7139429332

Registration Service Provider:
EV1Servers.net / Everyones Internet, domainmanager@ev1.net
+1.713.333.7873

Registrar of Record: TUCOWS, INC.
Record last updated on 14-Jan-2005.
Record expires on 31-Jul-2005.
Record created on 31-Jul-2003.

Domain servers in listed order:
NS1.EV1SERVERS.NET 207.218.245.135
NS2.EV1SERVERS.NET 207.218.247.135

Domain status: REGISTRAR-LOCK

Network Whois record
Queried whois.arin.net with "67.15.50.50"...

OrgName: Everyones Internet, Inc.
OrgID: EVRY
Address: 2600 Southwest Freeway
Address: Suite 500
City: Houston
StateProv: TX
PostalCode: 77098
Country: US

NetRange: 67.15.0.0 - 67.15.175.255
CIDR: 67.15.0.0/17, 67.15.128.0/19, 67.15.160.0/20
NetName: EVRY-BLK-15
NetHandle: NET-67-15-0-0-1
Parent: NET-67-0-0-0-0
NetType: Direct Allocation
NameServer: NS1.EV1.NET
NameServer: NS2.EV1.NET
Comment:
RegDate: 2004-02-06
Updated: 2004-10-11

TechHandle: RW172-ARIN
TechName: Williams, Randy
TechPhone: +1-713-400-5400
TechEmail: admin@ev1.net

OrgAbuseHandle: ABUSE477-ARIN
OrgAbuseName: ABUSE
OrgAbusePhone: +1-713-400-5400
OrgAbuseEmail: abuse@ev1.net

OrgNOCHandle: NOC1445-ARIN
OrgNOCName: NOC
OrgNOCPhone: +1-713-400-5400
OrgNOCEmail: noc@ev1.net

OrgTechHandle: RW172-ARIN
OrgTechName: Williams, Randy
OrgTechPhone: +1-713-400-5400
OrgTechEmail: admin@ev1.net

OrgTechHandle: VST3-ARIN
OrgTechName: Stinson, Valarie
OrgTechPhone: +1-713-400-5400
OrgTechEmail: admin2@ev1.net

# ARIN WHOIS database, last updated 2005-02-03 19:10
# Enter ? for additional hints on searching ARIN's WHOIS database.

DNS records
DNS query for ev1s-67-15-50-50.ev1servers.net returned an error from the server: NameError

name class type data time to live
ev1servers.net IN SOA server: ns1.ev1servers.net
email: admin.ev1.net
serial: 1107101857
refresh: 3600
retry: 1800
expire: 604800
minimum ttl: 7200
28000s (07:46:40)
ev1servers.net IN NS ns2.ev1servers.net 28000s (07:46:40)
ev1servers.net IN NS ns1.ev1servers.net 28000s (07:46:40)
ev1servers.net IN MX preference: 10
exchange: mail.ev1servers.net
28000s (07:46:40)
ev1servers.net IN A 207.218.223.142 28000s (07:46:40)
50.50.15.67.in-addr.arpa IN PTR ev1s-67-15-50-50.ev1servers.net 28000s (07:46:40)

Service scan
FTP - 21 Error: ConnectionRefused
SMTP - 25 220 lindonnetworks.com ESMTP MailEnable Service, Version: 1.8-- ready at 02/04/05 23:20:14

HTTP - 80 HTTP/1.1 200 OK
Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 23:20:14 GMT
Server: Apache/1.3.31 (Win32) PHP/4.3.1
X-Powered-By: PHP/4.3.1
Connection: close
Content-Type: text/html
POP3 - 110 +OK Welcome to MailEnable POP3 Server

NNTP - 119 Error: ConnectionRefused
________________________________________

69.57.144.30
IP Address for all of the pentagon photos on above top secret = http://69.57.144.30/ats/pentagon757/757-info.jpg

Record Type: IP Address

OrgName: Everyones Internet, Inc.

OrgID: EVRY
Address: 2600 Southwest Freeway
Address: Suite 500
City: Houston
StateProv: TX
PostalCode: 77098
Country: US

NetRange: 69.57.128.0 - 69.57.159.255
CIDR: 69.57.128.0/19
NetName: EVRY-BLK-13
NetHandle: NET-69-57-128-0-1
Parent: NET-69-0-0-0-0
NetType: Direct Allocation
NameServer: NS1.EV1.NET
NameServer: NS2.EV1.NET
Comment:
RegDate: 2003-06-20
Updated: 2003-07-02

TechHandle: RW172-ARIN
TechName: Williams, Randy
TechPhone: +1-713-400-5400
TechEmail: admin@ev1.net

OrgAbuseHandle: ABUSE477-ARIN
OrgAbuseName: ABUSE
OrgAbusePhone: +1-713-400-5400
OrgAbuseEmail: abuse@ev1.net

OrgNOCHandle: NOC1445-ARIN
OrgNOCName: NOC
OrgNOCPhone: +1-713-400-5400
OrgNOCEmail: noc@ev1.net

OrgTechHandle: RW172-ARIN
OrgTechName: Williams, Randy
OrgTechPhone: +1-713-400-5400
OrgTechEmail: admin@ev1.net

OrgTechHandle: VST3-ARIN
OrgTechName: Stinson, Valarie
OrgTechPhone: +1-713-400-5400
OrgTechEmail: admin2@ev1.net

Address lookup
canonical name ns1.sportztawk.net.

aliases
addresses 69.57.144.30

Domain Whois record
Queried whois.internic.net with "dom sportztawk.net"...

Whois Server Version 1.3

Domain names in the .com and .net domains can now be registered
with many different competing registrars. Go to http://www.internic.net
for detailed information.

Domain Name: SPORTZTAWK.NET
Registrar: TUCOWS INC.
Whois Server: whois.opensrs.net
Referral URL: http://domainhelp.tucows.com
Name Server: NS1.SPORTZTAWK.NET
Name Server: NS2.SPORTZTAWK.NET
Status: REGISTRAR-LOCK
Updated Date: 06-jan-2005
Creation Date: 05-feb-2004
Expiration Date: 05-feb-2007


>>> Last update of whois database: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 08:03:54 EST <<<

Queried whois.opensrs.net with "sportztawk.net"...

Registrant:
SportzTawk
NY
Apt 29A
NY, NY 10128
US

Domain name: SPORTZTAWK.NET

Administrative Contact:
P, BILL william@digitalf8.com
NY
Apt 29A
NY, NY 10128
US
212.111.1111
Technical Contact:
Customer Service, EV1 Servers domains@ev1servers.net
2600 SW Freeway
Suite 500
Houston, Texas 77098
US
+1.7133337873 Fax: +1.7139429332
_________________________________________________


Registration Service Provider:
Everyones Internet, domains@ev1servers.net
http://www.ev1servers.net

Registrar of Record: TUCOWS, INC.
Record last updated on 06-Jan-2005.
Record expires on 05-Feb-2007.
Record created on 05-Feb-2004.

Domain servers in listed order:
NS2.SPORTZTAWK.NET 69.57.145.254
NS1.SPORTZTAWK.NET 69.57.144.30


Domain status: REGISTRAR-LOCK


Network Whois record
Queried whois.arin.net with "69.57.144.30"...

OrgName: Everyones Internet, Inc.
OrgID: EVRY
Address: 2600 Southwest Freeway
Address: Suite 500
City: Houston
StateProv: TX
PostalCode: 77098
Country: US

NetRange: 69.57.128.0 - 69.57.159.255
CIDR: 69.57.128.0/19
NetName: EVRY-BLK-13
NetHandle: NET-69-57-128-0-1
Parent: NET-69-0-0-0-0
NetType: Direct Allocation
NameServer: NS1.EV1.NET
NameServer: NS2.EV1.NET
Comment:
RegDate: 2003-06-20
Updated: 2003-07-02

TechHandle: RW172-ARIN
TechName: Williams, Randy
TechPhone: +1-713-400-5400
TechEmail: admin@ev1.net

OrgAbuseHandle: ABUSE477-ARIN
OrgAbuseName: ABUSE
OrgAbusePhone: +1-713-400-5400
OrgAbuseEmail: abuse@ev1.net

OrgNOCHandle: NOC1445-ARIN
OrgNOCName: NOC
OrgNOCPhone: +1-713-400-5400
OrgNOCEmail: noc@ev1.net

OrgTechHandle: RW172-ARIN
OrgTechName: Williams, Randy
OrgTechPhone: +1-713-400-5400
OrgTechEmail: admin@ev1.net

OrgTechHandle: VST3-ARIN
OrgTechName: Stinson, Valarie
OrgTechPhone: +1-713-400-5400
OrgTechEmail: admin2@ev1.net

# ARIN WHOIS database, last updated 2005-02-03 19:10
# Enter ? for additional hints on searching ARIN's WHOIS database.

DNS records
name class type data time to live
ns1.sportztawk.net IN A 69.57.144.30 86400s (1.00:00:00)
sportztawk.net IN MX preference: 5
exchange: mail.sportztawk.net
38400s (10:40:00)
sportztawk.net IN SOA server: srv01.sportztawk.net
email: root.srv01.sportztawk.net
serial: 1075776311
refresh: 10800
retry: 3600
expire: 604800
minimum ttl: 38400
38400s (10:40:00)
sportztawk.net IN NS srv01.sportztawk.net 38400s (10:40:00)
sportztawk.net IN A 69.57.144.30 38400s (10:40:00)
30.144.57.69.in-addr.arpa IN PTR ns1.sportztawk.net 27999s (07:46:39)

Service scan
FTP - 21 Error: TimedOut
SMTP - 25 220 srv01.sportztawk.net ESMTP Sendmail 8.12.11/8.12.11; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 17:21:42 -0600

HTTP - 80 HTTP/1.1 200 OK
Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 23:21:42 GMT
Server: Apache/2.0.46 (Red Hat)
Accept-Ranges: bytes
X-Powered-By: PHP/4.3.2
Set-Cookie: xmbuok=216.46.246.233; expires=Sat, 05-Feb-2005 01:01:42 GMT; path=/; domain=sportztawk.com
Set-Cookie: xmblva=1107559302; expires=Sat, 04-Feb-2006 23:21:42 GMT; path=/; domain=sportztawk.com
Set-Cookie: xmblvb=1107559302; expires=Fri, 04-Feb-2005 23:31:42 GMT; path=/; domain=sportztawk.com
Connection: close
Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8
POP3 - 110 +OK POP3 srv01.sportztawk.net v2003.83rh server ready
_________________________________________________________________

ABOVETOPSECRET.COM

66.98.176.42
Record Type: IP Address


OrgName: Everyones Internet, Inc.

OrgID: EVRY
Address: 2600 Southwest Freeway
Address: Suite 500
City: Houston
StateProv: TX
PostalCode: 77098
Country: US

NetRange: 66.98.128.0 - 66.98.255.255
CIDR: 66.98.128.0/17
NetName: EVRY-BLK-14
NetHandle: NET-66-98-128-0-1
Parent: NET-66-0-0-0-0
NetType: Direct Allocation
NameServer: NS1.EV1.NET
NameServer: NS2.EV1.NET
Comment:
RegDate: 2003-07-02
Updated: 2004-02-06

TechHandle: RW172-ARIN
TechName: Williams, Randy
TechPhone: +1-713-400-5400
TechEmail: admin@ev1.net

OrgAbuseHandle: ABUSE477-ARIN
OrgAbuseName: ABUSE
OrgAbusePhone: +1-713-400-5400
OrgAbuseEmail: abuse@ev1.net

OrgNOCHandle: NOC1445-ARIN
OrgNOCName: NOC
OrgNOCPhone: +1-713-400-5400
OrgNOCEmail: noc@ev1.net

OrgTechHandle: RW172-ARIN
OrgTechName: Williams, Randy
OrgTechPhone: +1-713-400-5400
OrgTechEmail: admin@ev1.net

OrgTechHandle: VST3-ARIN
OrgTechName: Stinson, Valarie
OrgTechPhone: +1-713-400-5400
OrgTechEmail: admin2@ev1.net
_____________________________________________

Address lookup
canonical name www.abovetopsecret.com.
aliases
addresses 70.85.38.54


Domain Whois record
Queried whois.internic.net with "dom abovetopsecret.com"...

Whois Server Version 1.3

Domain names in the .com and .net domains can now be registered
with many different competing registrars. Go to http://www.internic.net
for detailed information.

Domain Name: ABOVETOPSECRET.COM
Registrar: NETWORK SOLUTIONS, LLC.

Whois Server: whois.networksolutions.com
Referral URL: http://www.networksolutions.com
Name Server: NS1.DENYIGNORANCE.COM
Name Server: NS2.DENYIGNORANCE.COM
Status: REGISTRAR-LOCK
Updated Date: 23-oct-2004
Creation Date: 18-may-1997
Expiration Date: 19-may-2013


>>> Last update of whois database: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 08:03:54 EST <<<


Queried whois.networksolutions.com with "abovetopsecret.com"...

Registrant:
Gray, Simon (ABOVETOPSECRET-DOM)
1 Sackville Close
Swindon, Wiltshire SN3 3EJ
UK

Domain Name: ABOVETOPSECRET.COM

Administrative Contact, Technical Contact:
Gray, Simon (30118036I) simon.gray@abovetopsecret.com
1 Sackville Close
Swindon, Wiltshire SN3 3EJ
UK
999 999 9999 fax: 999 999 9999

Record expires on 19-May-2013.
Record created on 18-May-1997.
Database last updated on 4-Feb-2005 12:22:31 EST.

Domain servers in listed order:

NS1.DENYIGNORANCE.COM 66.98.176.42
NS2.DENYIGNORANCE.COM 66.98.177.168


Network Whois record
Queried whois.arin.net with "70.85.38.54"...

OrgName: ThePlanet.com Internet Services, Inc.
OrgID: TPCM
Address: 1333 North Stemmons Freeway
Address: Suite 110
City: Dallas
StateProv: TX
PostalCode: 75207
Country: US

ReferralServer: rwhois://rwhois.theplanet.com:4321

NetRange: 70.84.0.0 - 70.85.127.255
CIDR: 70.84.0.0/16, 70.85.0.0/17
NetName: NETBLK-THEPLANET-BLK-13
NetHandle: NET-70-84-0-0-1
Parent: NET-70-0-0-0-0
NetType: Direct Allocation
NameServer: NS1.THEPLANET.COM
NameServer: NS2.THEPLANET.COM
Comment:
RegDate: 2004-07-29
Updated: 2004-07-29

TechHandle: PP46-ARIN
TechName: Pathos, Peter
TechPhone: +1-214-782-7800
TechEmail: abuse@theplanet.com

OrgAbuseHandle: ABUSE271-ARIN
OrgAbuseName: Abuse
OrgAbusePhone: +1-214-782-7802
OrgAbuseEmail: abuse@theplanet.com

OrgNOCHandle: TECHN33-ARIN
OrgNOCName: Technical Support
OrgNOCPhone: +1-214-782-7800
OrgNOCEmail: admins@theplanet.com

OrgTechHandle: TECHN33-ARIN
OrgTechName: Technical Support
OrgTechPhone: +1-214-782-7800
OrgTechEmail: admins@theplanet.com

# ARIN WHOIS database, last updated 2005-02-03 19:10
# Enter ? for additional hints on searching ARIN's WHOIS database.

DNS records
name class type data time to live
www.abovetopsecret.com IN A 70.85.38.54 3840s (01:04:00)
abovetopsecret.com IN MX preference: 5
exchange: mail.abovetopsecret.com
3840s (01:04:00)
abovetopsecret.com IN SOA server: ns1.denyignorance.com
email: root.srv01.denyignorance.com
serial: 1065412492
refresh: 1200
retry: 3600
expire: 604800
minimum ttl: 38400
3840s (01:04:00)
abovetopsecret.com IN NS ns1.denyignorance.com 3840s (01:04:00)
abovetopsecret.com IN NS ns2.denyignorance.com 3840s (01:04:00)
abovetopsecret.com IN A 70.85.38.54 3840s (01:04:00)
54.38.85.70.in-addr.arpa IN PTR 54.70-85-38.reverse.theplanet.com 64247s (17:50:47)

Service scan
FTP - 21 Error: TimedOut
SMTP - 25 220 srv01.abovetopsecret.net ESMTP Sendmail 8.12.11/8.12.11; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 17:27:54 -0600

HTTP - 80 HTTP/1.1 200 OK
Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 23:27:55 GMT
Server: Apache
Accept-Ranges: bytes
X-Powered-By: PHP/4.3.2
Cache-Control: no-store, no-cache, must-revalidate
Cache-Control: post-check=0, pre-check=0
Pragma: no-cache
Connection: close
Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8
POP3 - 110 Error: ConnectionRefused
NNTP - 119 Error: TimedOut

__________________________________________
Address lookup

canonical name ns1.denyignorance.com.

aliases

addresses 66.98.176.42

Domain Whois record
Queried whois.internic.net with "dom denyignorance.com"...

Whois Server Version 1.3

Domain names in the .com and .net domains can now be registered
with many different competing registrars. Go to http://www.internic.net
for detailed information.

Domain Name: DENYIGNORANCE.COM
Registrar: TUCOWS INC.
Whois Server: whois.opensrs.net
Referral URL: http://domainhelp.tucows.com
Name Server: NS1.DENYIGNORANCE.COM
Name Server: NS2.DENYIGNORANCE.COM
Status: REGISTRAR-LOCK
Updated Date: 10-nov-2004
Creation Date: 29-sep-2003
Expiration Date: 29-sep-2005


>>> Last update of whois database: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 08:03:54 EST <<<

Queried whois.opensrs.net with "denyignorance.com"...

Registrant:
AboveTopSecret.com
1 Sackville Close
Swindon, Wiltshire SN3 3EJ
UK

Domain name: DENYIGNORANCE.COM

Administrative Contact:
Gray, Simon william@denyignorance.com
1 Sackville Close
Swindon, Wiltshire SN3 3EJ
UK
212.111.1111
Technical Contact:
I, William william@denyignorance.com
1 Sackville Close
Swindon, Wiltshire SN3 3EJ
UK
212.111.1111


Registration Service Provider:
Everyones Internet, domains@ev1servers.net
http://www.ev1servers.net


Registrar of Record: TUCOWS, INC.
Record last updated on 07-Sep-2004.
Record expires on 29-Sep-2005.
Record created on 29-Sep-2003.

Domain servers in listed order:
NS1.DENYIGNORANCE.COM 66.98.176.42
NS2.DENYIGNORANCE.COM 66.98.177.168

Domain status: REGISTRAR-LOCK


Network Whois record
Queried whois.arin.net with "66.98.176.42"...

OrgName: Everyones Internet, Inc.
OrgID: EVRY
Address: 2600 Southwest Freeway
Address: Suite 500
City: Houston
StateProv: TX
PostalCode: 77098
Country: US

NetRange: 66.98.128.0 - 66.98.255.255
CIDR: 66.98.128.0/17
NetName: EVRY-BLK-14
NetHandle: NET-66-98-128-0-1
Parent: NET-66-0-0-0-0
NetType: Direct Allocation
NameServer: NS1.EV1.NET
NameServer: NS2.EV1.NET
Comment:
RegDate: 2003-07-02
Updated: 2004-02-06

TechHandle: RW172-ARIN
TechName: Williams, Randy
TechPhone: +1-713-400-5400
TechEmail: admin@ev1.net

OrgAbuseHandle: ABUSE477-ARIN
OrgAbuseName: ABUSE
OrgAbusePhone: +1-713-400-5400
OrgAbuseEmail: abuse@ev1.net

OrgNOCHandle: NOC1445-ARIN
OrgNOCName: NOC
OrgNOCPhone: +1-713-400-5400
OrgNOCEmail: noc@ev1.net

OrgTechHandle: RW172-ARIN
OrgTechName: Williams, Randy
OrgTechPhone: +1-713-400-5400
OrgTechEmail: admin@ev1.net

OrgTechHandle: VST3-ARIN
OrgTechName: Stinson, Valarie
OrgTechPhone: +1-713-400-5400
OrgTechEmail: admin2@ev1.net

# ARIN WHOIS database, last updated 2005-02-03 19:10
# Enter ? for additional hints on searching ARIN's WHOIS database.

DNS records
name class type data time to live
ns1.denyignorance.com IN A 66.98.176.42 85337s (23:42:17)
denyignorance.com IN MX preference: 5
exchange: mail.denyignorance.com
38400s (10:40:00)
denyignorance.com IN SOA server: ns1.denyignorance.com
email: root.srv01.denyignorance.com
serial: 1075688300
refresh: 1200
retry: 3600
expire: 604800
minimum ttl: 38400
38400s (10:40:00)
denyignorance.com IN NS ns2.denyignorance.com 38400s (10:40:00)
denyignorance.com IN NS ns1.denyignorance.com 38400s (10:40:00)
denyignorance.com IN A 66.98.176.42 38400s (10:40:00)
42.176.98.66.in-addr.arpa IN PTR ns1.denyignorance.com 5693s (01:34:53)

Service scan
FTP - 21 Error: TimedOut
SMTP - 25 220 srv01.denyignorance.com ESMTP Sendmail 8.12.11/8.12.11; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 17:26:34 -0600

HTTP - 80 HTTP/1.1 302 Found
Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 23:26:34 GMT
Server: Apache
Location: http://70.85.38.54/
Connection: close
Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1
POP3 - 110 +OK POP3 srv01.denyignorance.com v2001.78rh server ready

NNTP - 119 Error: TimedOut


_______________________________________

EV1.NET


216.88.76.7
Record Type: IP Address

SAVVIS Communications Corporation SAVVIS7 (NET-216-88-0-0-1)
216.88.0.0 - 216.91.255.255
Everyones Internet, Inc. SAVV-SV2333-1 (NET-216-88-76-0-1)
216.88.76.0 - 216.88.77.255


Address lookup
canonical name EV1.NET.

aliases

addresses 207.218.192.46

Domain Whois record
Queried whois.internic.net with "dom EV1.NET"...

Whois Server Version 1.3

Domain names in the .com and .net domains can now be registered
with many different competing registrars. Go to http://www.internic.net
for detailed information.

Domain Name: EV1.NET
Registrar: TUCOWS INC.
Whois Server: whois.opensrs.net
Referral URL: http://domainhelp.tucows.com
Name Server: NS2.EV1.NET
Name Server: NS1.EV1.NET
Status: REGISTRAR-LOCK
Updated Date: 10-nov-2004
Creation Date: 29-oct-1998
Expiration Date: 28-oct-2011


>>> Last update of whois database: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 08:03:54 EST <<<


Queried whois.opensrs.net with "EV1.NET"...

Registrant:
Ev1Servers.net
390 Benmar Drive
Suite 200
Houston, TX 77060
US

Domain name: EV1.NET

Administrative Contact:
Manager, Domain domainmanager@ev1.net
390 Benmar Drive
Suite 200
Houston, TX 77060
US
+1.7133337873 Fax: +1.7139429332

Technical Contact:
Manager, Domain domainmanager@ev1.net
390 Benmar Drive
Suite 200
Houston, TX 77060
US
+1.7133337873 Fax: +1.7139429332

Registration Service Provider:
EV1Servers.net / Everyones Internet, domainmanager@ev1.net
+1.713.333.7873


Registrar of Record: TUCOWS, INC.
Record last updated on 14-Jan-2005.
Record expires on 28-Oct-2011.
Record created on 29-Oct-1998.

Domain servers in listed order:
NS1.EV1.NET 216.88.76.6
NS2.EV1.NET 216.88.77.7


Domain status: REGISTRAR-LOCK


Network Whois record
Queried whois.arin.net with "207.218.192.46"...

OrgName: Everyones Internet, Inc.
OrgID: EVRY
Address: 2600 Southwest Freeway
Address: Suite 500
City: Houston
StateProv: TX
PostalCode: 77098
Country: US

NetRange: 207.218.192.0 - 207.218.255.255
CIDR: 207.218.192.0/18
NetName: EVRY-BLK-1
NetHandle: NET-207-218-192-0-1
Parent: NET-207-0-0-0-0
NetType: Direct Allocation
NameServer: NS1.EV1.NET
NameServer: NS2.EV1.NET
Comment: ADDRESSES WITHIN THIS BLOCK ARE NON-PORTABLE
RegDate: 1999-09-07
Updated: 2000-02-24

TechHandle: RW172-ARIN
TechName: Williams, Randy
TechPhone: +1-713-400-5400
TechEmail: admin@ev1.net

OrgAbuseHandle: ABUSE477-ARIN
OrgAbuseName: ABUSE
OrgAbusePhone: +1-713-400-5400
OrgAbuseEmail: abuse@ev1.net

OrgNOCHandle: NOC1445-ARIN
OrgNOCName: NOC
OrgNOCPhone: +1-713-400-5400
OrgNOCEmail: noc@ev1.net

OrgTechHandle: RW172-ARIN
OrgTechName: Williams, Randy
OrgTechPhone: +1-713-400-5400
OrgTechEmail: admin@ev1.net

OrgTechHandle: VST3-ARIN
OrgTechName: Stinson, Valarie
OrgTechPhone: +1-713-400-5400
OrgTechEmail: admin2@ev1.net

# ARIN WHOIS database, last updated 2005-02-03 19:10
# Enter ? for additional hints on searching ARIN's WHOIS database.

DNS records
name class type data time to live
EV1.NET IN SOA server: ns1.EV1.NET
email: admin.EV1.NET
serial: 1107345434
refresh: 3600
retry: 1800
expire: 604800
minimum ttl: 7200
28000s (07:46:40)
EV1.NET IN NS ns1.EV1.NET 28000s (07:46:40)
EV1.NET IN NS ns2.EV1.NET 28000s (07:46:40)
EV1.NET IN MX preference: 5
exchange: inmail.EV1.NET
28000s (07:46:40)
EV1.NET IN A 207.218.192.46 28000s (07:46:40)
46.192.218.207.in-addr.arpa IN PTR mail.ev1.net 5572s (01:32:52)

Service scan
FTP - 21 Error: TimedOut
SMTP - 25 Error: TimedOut
HTTP - 80 Error: TimedOut
POP3 - 110 +OK X1 NT-POP3 Server mail.ev1.net (IMail 6.06 541579-31)

NNTP - 119 Error: TimedOut

-- end --
________________________________________

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Everyone%27s_Internet

Everyone's Internet
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.
Everyone's Internet is a Houston, Texas-based ISP. It was formed on December 1, 1998 by Robert Marsh, Roy Marsh III,

and Randy Williams. At first, it only hosted websites for the Houston area, but later spread its business to Austin

San Antonio and to California in 2000. Everyone's Internet later was spread nationwide to 42 U.S. states in 2002, and

it is nationwide today.

Everyone's Internet has, and currently does, host many militant Islamic websites which encourage killing citizens of

Israel, United States of America, and nations involved in the 2003 occupation of Iraq—many of them being forums.

The al-Qalaah forum—hosted by Everyone's Internet—was used to post a communiqué by Tawhid wal Jihad that Abu Musab

al-Zarqawi had kidnapped Kenneth Bigley.

In 2004, Al Jazeera reported that Kuwaiti Islamist Sheikh Hamed Ben Abdallah Ali—a radical Islamist—wrote on

www.qal3ah.net, during the Abu Ghraib scandal:

"The new conservatives, and particularly the gang of (US President George W.) Bush, are enjoying the humiliation of

the Muslims".
Another ISP known for hosting radical Islamist sites, HostingAnime, rents webspace from Everyone's Internet.

________________________________________


So what does this all mean?
Could it mean that those sites who are saying Letsroll911 is disinfo (yy2) and the site claiming a Boeing is at the pentagon via above top secret, and in fact above top secret, are all truely dis info sites?

If Everyone's is the ISP that was putting the fake beheadings up and all of that, is it not fair to say that they are a dis info company working on behalf of the government? It's kind of Odd that the dis info against letsroll comes from all of the same

ISP, is it not?

It gets stranger and stranger...

http://www.angelfire.com/fl/554ceshr/EditersInfo.html

The above site has several @Ev1 email addresses tied into it. These appear to be ex or current Airforce civil engineers.

A few members:
Major Kevin McCue mccue@ev1.net Houston, Texas
CMSgt Ernest Ricketts ernest.r@mail.ev1.net Universal City, Texas
SMSgt William Teague redhorse1968@ev1.net Houston, Texas
(Maybe just coincidence)

It seems as well that this Randy Williams character and people with the ev1 email address seem to go around in herd and they tend to post in similar areas. They are often found in military related sites.

Am I wrong? If anyone wishes to look further into this, please share your results. I am curious if more can be found.
Below is some postings on some other sites..


READER: Re: ANOTHER "ARAB" WEB SITE TRACES BACK TO HOUSTON, TEXAS!
Could the U.S. be spreading some hate? The site is in Arabic, not English
_______________

READER: Another Arab Website
A google search on the folks connected with the website comes up with some other interesting stuff. A pro-Bush Blog

for one.
Blog - http://homepage.mac.com/bctemplin/iblog/
google search - http://www.google.com/ search?q=Randy+Williams,+Valarie+Stinson,+EV1,+houston&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8
___________________



READER: Went looking for some info about the hosting company EV1Servers after reading your letters page. Here's an

interesting an story from 2002, describing what happened when somebody else made enquiries about terrorist-friendly

sites:
"Last week, I reported a story concerning the possible hosting by a Houston-based Internet Service Provider of a Hamas

terrorist web site that’s asking for donations to buy guns and ammunition. After calling the company for comment, I

also e-mailed CEO Robert Marsh and asked him why his company was hosting such a site.

Marsh responded by e-mail, "We host a large number of websites, directly and indirectly. We had no knowledge that we

were hosting these sites. We don’t want to host these types of sites and as we are made aware of them, we remove these

offensive sites immediately. We here at Ev1 and Rackshack were deeply affected by the events on September 11th, and

would never do anything to aid those people. Thank you for bringing this issue to our attention."

Being aware that the Hamas has been designated an illegal terrorist group by the United States government, I also

alerted the Houston FBI. An agent took down all the information I gave him and told me to expect a call the next day.

I never received any call back from the FBI, and when the offending web sites weren’t removed, I initially figured

that maybe the folks at Everyone’s Internet weren’t as "deeply affected" as they had claimed.

However, a few days later I was e-mailed a story from the _Houston Chronicle_, which let me know why the web sites

were still up and why the FBI hadn’t called me back. However, these "answers" triggered even more questions. Marsh

told the _Chronicle_ he was unaware of the sites until recently (I suspect when I called his office and e- mailed him

informing him of their existence), and that while Everyman’s does not do business directly with the site operators in

question, he was willing to block them anyway.

Now this is where the story gets really interesting and we need to start making calls and demanding answers. According

to the _Chronicle_, after blocking the sites the company was contacted by the U.S. Customs Service which asked that

the sites be put back on line again."

http://www.opinionet.com/article.php?id=240

_____________________

READER: About Everyones Internet. Once I stumbled on something fishy with them. The following e-mail address:

LindaT@patriot.every1.net - has been used by people working under several aliases who were spreading false rumors

after the political assassination of Pim Fortuyn in the Netherlands. I believe some provocateurs were (are) active on

the internet setting up left against right. I spare you the details, but I always thought it was strange that the

whole domain "patriot.every1.net" disappeared shortly after the e-mail address was used and I wasn't able to find out

who was behind it.
WRH: Some of the internet's most annoying "intelligence assets" have been discovered to own their own ISPs.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
READER: ANOTHER "ARAB" WEB SITE TRACES BACK TO HOUSTON -- more info
in your article ANOTHER "ARAB" WEB SITE TRACES BACK TO HOUSTON, TEXAS! you showed that the whois entry for these "evil

terrorists" was "OrgName: Everyones Internet, Inc.".

I thought, perhaps that means nothing, perhaps if I registered a domain with this company, they would enter their own

company in the whois database.

So I wrote an email to Everyones Internet, and got a reply (see below). Result: It is NOT possible to legally remain

anonymous. According to the mail from "Everyones Internet", "Everyones Internet, Inc." must indeed be the owner of the

web site.

Best regards,

Here is the email exchange:
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Domain Manager [mailto:domains@ev1servers.net]
Gesendet: Montag, 5. Juli 2004 18:02
Betreff: RE: Anonymous WHOIS entry possible?

You actually have to put legitimate contact information for the domain. If you put our info, we would own the domain.

Thank you,

XXXXXX
Lead Supervisor
Sales - Customer Care - Fraudwatch - Domain Services

www.EV1Servers.net

-----Original Message-----
From: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
Sent: Monday, July 05, 2004 6:41 AM
To: domains@ev1servers.net
Subject: Anonymous WHOIS entry possible?

Hi,

I am considering to register a domain with ev1. Is it possible that the WHOIS entry of my domain contains "OrgName:

Everyones Internet, Inc." instead of my own name so that my own name does not show up in WHOIS?

Thank you very much.

WRH: Who owns Everyones Internet, Inc. and who are they friends with?
Also note from above:

Queried whois.networksolutions.com with "abovetopsecret.com"...

Registrant:
Gray, Simon (ABOVETOPSECRET-DOM)
1 Sackville Close
Swindon, Wiltshire SN3 3EJ
UK
When I searched www.godlikeProductions.com and www.crytalinks.com at whois - they were registered to Network Solutions.

So the question is, "Is Randy Williams the same or connected to Russell Williams" If so, this has enormous implications regarding ATS COINTELPRO, Bailey disinformation campaigns and just about solid proof there are efforts from top US government officials at the Pentagon to suppress information regarding what really happened at the Pentagon on 911.

Shane
 
Simon Grey: Christian Bailey: Abovetopsecret?

Well, Network solutions isn't the interesting part, the SERVER is. As it happens, our good buddy and favorite COINTELPRO agent uses the same server. If you want to have a look at the extent of the documentation we have of his stalking and harassment, have a look HERE. Somebody is paying this guy to devote his life to stalking me. It's obvious he doesn't have a real job. And based on confidential information we have received, he spent some time in a mental hospital. That's just the kind of person COINTELPRO loves. Anyway, the following experience with the EV1 server people is very enlightening.

From: Laura Knight-Jadczyk
To: ram@ev1.net
Subject: AUP?
Date sent: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 16:52:21 +0200


Laura Knight-Jadczyk
Quantum Future Group, Inc.
P.O. Box 241
Rescue, CA

To: EV1Servers

Dear Sir or Ma'am,

On behalf of the Quantum Future Group, Inc. websites:
(http://signs-of-the-times.org/signs/signs.htm
and
http://www.cassiopaea.org/cass/site_map_qfg.htm)

I am writing to inquire as to your policy and procedure for dealing with
libel and defamation hosted on your servers.

I refer, in specific, to a large body of material published on
www.vincentbridges.com, an example being:

http://vincentbridges.com/cassPart1.html

and going on and on and on...

Is it sufficient for the victim of the libel and slander to bring the fact
to your attention, or is it necessary to proceed via legal action?

Please advise.

Thank you,

Laura Knight-Jadczyk

******************

Registrant:
Storm Bear World

Registered through: GoDaddy.com
Domain Name: VINCENTBRIDGES.COM

Domain servers in listed order:
NS1.EV1SERVERS.NET
NS2.EV1SERVERS.NET


TERMS OF SERVICE (TOS)

IMPORTANT NOTICE: *All Payments To EV1Servers (Everyones Internet) Are Non-
Refundable*

EV1Servers.net ("The Company") agrees to furnish services to the Subscriber,
subject to the following TOS (Terms of Service).

Use of EV1Servers Service constitutes acceptance and agreement to
EV1Servers's AUP as well as EV1Servers's TOS (Terms of Service).

All provisions of this contract are subject to the TOS (Terms of Service) of
EV1Servers.net and AUP (Acceptable Use Policy). The AUP may be changed from
time to time at the discretion of the Company. Subscriber understands that
change to the AUP by the Company shall not be grounds for early contract
termination or non-payment.

This Agreement shall be construed in all respects in accordance with the
laws of the state of Texas, county of Harris applicable to contracts
enforceable in that state. Venue will be Harris County, Texas

1. Disclosure to Law Enforcement: The AUP specifically prohibits the use
of our service for illegal activities. Therefore, Subscriber agrees that the
Company may disclose any and all subscriber information including assigned
IP numbers, account history, account use, etc. to any law enforcement agent
who makes a written request without further consent or notification to the
Subscriber. In addition EV1Servers shall have the right to terminate all
service set forth in this Agreement.

2. Service Rates: Subscriber acknowledges that the nature of the service
furnished and the initial rates and charges have been communicated to
Subscriber. Subscriber is aware that the Company may prospectively change
the specified rates and charges from time to time. The promotional offer is
contingent upon Company achieving and maintaining its cost of service goals
including but not limited to rates charged to company by its suppliers.

3. Payment: Establishment of this service is dependent upon receipt by
the Company of payment of stated charges. Subsequent payments are due on the
anniversary date of the month for that month's service. If you are a
resident of Texas, your purchase of dedicated hosting services are subject
to the Texas sales tax rate of 8.25%. All setup fees are subject to an 8.25%
tax, 80% of monthly fees are subject to an 8.25% tax, and the remaining 20%
of monthly fees are not taxed. If you are a Virutal Site user, 100% of your
payments are subject to an 8.25% tax without regard to your location. If you
are located outside of Texas and have no nexus in Texas, your purchase of
dedicated hosting services are not subject to Texas sales tax.

As a requirement by the State of Texas Comptrollers Office your
required to fill out a 'Sales Tax Exempt Form' which can be found by
clicking here. The information entered for the 'Seller' (Everyones Internet)
is as follows:

EVERYONES INTERNET
390 Benmar, Suite 200
Houston, Tx 77060

Description of items to be purchased:

DATA PROCESSING OR INFORMATIONAL SERVICES
Failure to provide this completed form to Everyones Internet will
exclude you from being tax exempt for services provided by Everyones
Internet. Once you have completed this form you can either fax it to 713-554-
5212 or scan and email to taxhistory@ev1servers.net. If you have any
problems regarding the above information please feel free to contact our
cust_service@ev1servers.net team for assistance.

4. Payments and Fees: Credit cards that are declined for any reason are
subject to a $1.00 declination fee. Service will be interrupted on accounts
that reach 10 days past due. Service interrupted for nonpayment is subject
to a $200 reconnect charge. Accounts not paid by due date are subject to a
$7.95 late fee. Accounts that are not collectable by EV1Servers may be
turned over to an outside collection agency for collection. If your account
is turned over for collection, you agree to pay the company a "Processing
and Collection" Fee of not less than $50 nor more than $150. If you desire
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any time for any reason.
We received no response. And so, we sent the following email and letter from our corporate offices in California:

May 2, 2005

Everyones Internet, Inc.
2600 Southwest Freeway
Suite 500
Houston, TX 77098


Dears Sirs:

You are the registered server provider for the website Cassiopaean
Archives. This website carries pages which libels and defames Mrs. Laura
Knight-Jadczyk, the pages are linked from this location:

http://vincentbridges.com/cassIntro.html
(Hereinafter referred to as "The Pages").

The Pages accuse Mrs. Knight-Jadczyk of being the leader of a Cult and
amongst other scurrilous accusations and defamations say that she is wanted
by federal authorities in the United States. These claims are false and
libelous.

We are sure you appreciate the serious consequences that can arise from an
accusation of being a Cult and the extremely negative effects that can have
on the life and career of the accused person(s) and those associated with
them, regardless of the fact that such an accusation is entirely without
basis.

To further damage Mrs. Knight-Jadczyk by stating that she is wanted by
Federal Authorities is to compound the damage and add substantial
additional grounds for litigation and the seeking of punitive as well
compensatory damages.

Mrs. Knight-Jadczyk, the Quantum Future Group and the other companies and
organizations on whose Board Mrs. Knight-Jadczyk sits will not tolerate the
continuing campaign of libel being perpetrated by the owner of "Cassiopaean
Archives" and the damages that arise there from.

Your policy as presented on your website states that:-

"Harassment: Use of the EV1R service to transmit any material (by e-mail,
uploading, posting or otherwise) that harasses another.."

We respect the fact that such a policy reflects a reasonable company's
desire to remain outside the effects created by the actions of its
customers and would therefore ask that you take down The Page, that it is
kept down and that no replacement pages of a similar nature are posted.

Yours faithfully

Thomas Preisinger
Director
Quantum Future Group

cc:. Mrs. Laura Knight-Jadzcyk
This one got a response as follows:

Date sent: Mon, 02 May 2005 21:35:11 -0500
From: "Everyones Internet Abuse Team" <abuse@ev1.net>
Subject: [Abuse #05022005-1915-561]: Abuse complaint
Send reply to: "Everyones Internet Abuse Team" <abuse@ev1.net>
To: qfg@****

Dear Sir/Ma'am,

At this time, we are unable to locate any material on this site which we
feel is in violation of our AUP. If you have any further information, please let
us know.

Regards,
Chris S
Abuse Team
Ev1 Servers
abuse@ev1servers.net
We then sent the following from our corporate office in California by both email and certified letter:

Everyones Internet, Inc.
2600 Southwest Freeway
Address: Suite 500
Houston, TX 77098


Dear Sirs

Thank you for your prompt reply. As we are sure you can appreciate, we
are surprised at your response as it suggests that you support the
material being promoted on the Pages. We fail to see how the accusations
(Cult and Felon) that we briefly alluded too do not constitute
harrassment. The terms are libelous and defamatory and therefore posting
them constitutes harrassment. Continuing to host them after being made
aware of the libelous and defamatory nature of them constitutes harassment.

We have brought the libelous nature of the Pages to your attention and
would ask you once again that you take them down. Whether the basis that
you use to take the Pages down is harrassment or that you wish to avoid
being a party to such libel is not of our concern. We would therefore ask
you once agin to remove the libelous Pages.

Yours faithfully
Since it was clear that only a lawyer would get any action and we've already been that route regarding Vinnie and it simply isn't worth the money - he's a grifter and he just slithers away and reappears elsewhere - we decided to focus our attention on things that we could do effectively.

But, I had always wondered about the fact that, with just a few words of complaint, Vinnie or Jay Weidner could get us dumped from our server, causing us endless financial hardship and lost time, but nobody ever bothers people like that. So, now we know. There IS an "official COINTELPRO server!"
 
Simon Grey: Christian Bailey: Abovetopsecret?

Shane said:
Queried whois.networksolutions.com with "abovetopsecret.com"...

Registrant:
Gray, Simon (ABOVETOPSECRET-DOM)
1 Sackville Close
Swindon, Wiltshire SN3 3EJ
UK
As it happens, a reader in UK got very curious about this Simon Gray and went off to check him out in person...

Here is 1 Sackville Close, Swindon, Wiltshire:
1%20Sackville%20Close.jpg


Number 1 is the closest, the Gray "condo."

The reader informs me that this neighborhood was so rough that he actually lost his nerve and didn't knock at the door to meet Simon.

Here are the garages behind the fancy digs of Simon Gray.

loch-ups%20at%20Sackville.jpg
 
Simon Grey: Christian Bailey: Abovetopsecret?

Just to complete the picture of Simon Gray and the ATS COINTELPRO operation, I thought I would re-post something that is in another forum in this one as well. You can read the complete thread here: http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=523

We come now to my own exchange with Bill Ryan of SERPO.

The posting of the SERPO stuff on the Sarfatti list happened in late Dec of 2005. We published the Flying Fish article on about Dec 31st, following which we had the little to-do with abovetopsecret.com which I have chronicled on my blog. Things died down (after the series of blog posts) until this next item. From here on out, it will be self-explanatory.

Subject: ATS are menacing me
Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 02:24:39 +0000 (GMT)
From: Bill Ryan *******
Reply-To: bill.ryan*******
To: sott*******

I run Serpo.org and ATS have been trying to discredit me. Now they have sent me this email, who do they think they are the Mafia?Please don't use my name in this, but check out what they are doing to me and my site, its a brutal smear campaign.email below...

Bill you sure made a fool of yourself over the last email. I don't recommend such hysterics again. Remember we can deny just as loud as you can shout. You failed the first loyalty test. Just like Victor has done, you need to decide which side your bread is buttered on.

Lets get down to business.Your website and book will never succeed with our presence on the internet. We dominate Google and any searches will bring up serpo killing threads first.

Your credability is zero.However we can change this, instead of fighting ATS why not work with us? Here is the proposal.

1. You give to ATS the serpo site and all materials within. We will brand it with our own logo and promote it on the internet. Afterall we own it already, just as a giant parasite can own its host. If we suck blood you die.

2. We will market and promote the site and the material. We will also use our lawyers and publishers to publish the site and attendant information in book and movie formats.Royalties will be divided between us and yourself. As there are 3 of us and only 1 of you, you recieve 25% of all royalties. Twenty five percent is better than nothing, so its a good deal.You will be expected to divide your royalities between any partners on your side. Get Victor a decent computer out of his share to save us more hassle.

3 All further communication on the serpo topic will be vetted by ATS admin before being added to the site. 4 ATS writers will take over from the flawed Anon 2 that you are using. We have some very good talent on ATS who can write professionally much better than your current weak writers are attempting. Too many logical holes, poor proofiing of facts.

Your position will be to defend such writing in the public arena, as you are currently doing, leaving the ATS admin as silent partners.

We are happy to write your own defence articles for you, as well as publish them under your name. That way you won't have to do anything. In the future we may also see you moderate the serpo forum on ATS as a staff member. Many of our staff have successfully integrated their sites into ours on a similar basis to that proposed
here.

We forsee ATS as a world wide conspiracy portal with sites such as yours incorporated into it. The few sites that have not followed our direction have disappeared from the net soon after, we have powerful backers with many talents.We expect your agreement to this proposal. The consequences of refusing our fine gesture will see your site and hard work wasted, no one wants that sad future.

http://www.sharpmail.co.uk - "Live in your world, email in ours" Send 'fake' email for free!

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From: Laura Knight-Jadczyk
To: <bill.ryan*******>
Subject: Re: [Fwd: ATS are menacing me]
Copies to: bill.ryan@*******
Date sent: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 14:35:38 +0100


Hi,
Can you send me the original email from the ATS people (the entire exchange
would be helpful, with FULL headers?

Do you want me to publish an article about this?

Don't see how I could do that without using your name and site. If I don't
use your name, the ATS people will know anyway. So using your name and the site address might actually give you more protection.

Up to you.

Laura Knight-Jadczyk
Date sent: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 08:39:03 +0000
Subject: Re: [Fwd: ATS are menacing me]
From: Bill Ryan
To: Laura Knight-Jadczyk

Hi, Laura -

Yes, I¹d very much like to talk and co-operate! But first...

I NEVER SENT YOU THIS:

“I run Serpo.org and ATS have been trying to discredit me. Now they have sent me this email, who do they think they are the Mafia?Please don't use my name in this, but check out what they are doing to me and my site, its a brutal smear campaign.email below...Bill you sure made a fool of yourself over the last email.”

What did you get, and from whom and when?

I¹d also be happy to talk on the phone to disentangle this... someone, somewhere, is intent on causing a lot of damage. (Interestingly, we also know that they are on Victor Martinez¹s UFO list.)

It looks as if the mischief-maker¹s intention was to persuade you to take up the crusade on my behalf. Maybe, therefore, this is a reason why you should NOT do this!!

To clarify, I did get this message, pasted here in full, verbatim ­ but I DID NOT forward it to anyone whomsoever and merely ignored it. ³sharpmail² is an e-mail faking program... the authors are seeking to wreak havoc with this, intent on discrediting me themselves. My thoughts are to ignore it... then it¹ll fade out and go away. What they probably want to see is a reaction.

But the possibility remains that this is actually someone from within ATS itself ­ disguising their malice as sharpmail is a kind of plausible deniability: they can always say ³Hey! This is not us. It¹s some kid fooling around.² The content of the original faked mail I received, drawing my attention to their very malicious http://www.projectserpo.org (which is full of falsehoods, however they got there), indicated that there is a strong link between ATS and the faked mails. I¹ll append that one below the longer one below, so you have sight of both.

All thoughts welcome!

Best wishes to you,

Bill


------ Forwarded Message
From: The three Amigos <admin@abovetopsecret.com>
Reply-To: "admin@abovetopsecret.com" <12884215-1173@sharpmail.co.uk>
Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 02:18:13 +0000 (GMT)
To: <bill.ryan*******>
Subject: tut tut Bill.

Bill you sure made a fool of yourself over the last email. I don't recommend such hysterics again. Remember we can deny just as loud as you can shout. You failed the first loyalty test. Just like Victor has done, you need to decide which side your bread is buttered on.

Lets get down to business.Your website and book will never succeed with our presence on the internet. We dominate Google and any searches will bring up serpo killing threads first.

Your credability is zero.However we can change this, instead of fighting ATS why not work with us? Here is the proposal.

1. You give to ATS the serpo site and all materials within. We will brand it with our own logo and promote it on the internet. Afterall we own it already, just as a giant parasite can own its host. If we suck blood you die.

2. We will market and promote the site and the material. We will also use our lawyers and publishers to publish the site and attendant information in book and movie formats.Royalties will be divided between us and yourself. As there are 3 of us and only 1 of you, you recieve 25% of all royalties. Twenty five percent is better than nothing, so its a good deal.You will be expected to divide your royalities between any partners on your side. Get Victor a decent computer out of his share to save us more hassle.

3 All further communication on the serpo topic will be vetted by ATS admin before being added to the site. 4 ATS writers will take over from the flawed Anon 2 that you are using. We have some very good talent on ATS who can write professionally much better than your current weak writers are attempting. Too many logical holes, poor proofiing of facts.

Your position will be to defend such writing in the public arena, as you are currently doing, leaving the ATS admin as silent partners.

We are happy to write your own defence articles for you, as well as publish them under your name. That way you won't have to do anything. In the future we may also see you moderate the serpo forum on ATS as a staff member. Many of our staff have successfully integrated their sites into ours on a similar basis to that proposed
here.

We forsee ATS as a world wide conspiracy portal with sites such as yours incorporated into it. The few sites that have not followed our direction have disappeared from the net soon after, we have powerful backers with many talents.We expect your agreement to this proposal. The consequences of refusing our fine gesture will see your site and hard work wasted, no one wants that sad future.

http://www.sharpmail.co.uk - "Live in your world, email in ours" Send
'fake' email for free!
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------ Forwarded Message
From: anon <admin@abovetopsecret.com>
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 04:26:52 +0000 (GMT)
To: <bill.ryan*******>
Subject: you are owned...

We now have the domain ProjectSerpo.org At some point tomorrow,this will be on the url http://www.abovetopsecret.com/serpo/give up your book deal, ATS will rip your integrity out.

http://www.sharpmail.co.uk - "Live in your world, email in ours" Send
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Since I hadn't received an answer to my Feb 16 email, Ark had also written to Bill Ryan, so here is that exchange:

From: Arkadiusz Jadczyk
Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 00:43:58 +0100
To: <bill.ryan*******>
Cc: <*******>
Subject: (Fwd) Re: [Fwd: ATS are menacing me]

Hi,

As we are not sure if you have received our email, here is the copy
of the email to you from Laura. It is VERY important to analyze the
exact copies of the emails you think you received from ATS. They may
have been faked. They may be coming from someone else - for instance
from Vincent Bridges or from Simon Grey himself writing via a proxy.
Therefore, if you are SERIOUS - forward to us the WHOLE emails,
headers intacted. Then, prhaps, we will be able to suggest something
useful. Otherwise we will consider it being a bad joke.

Regards,

ark
Date sent: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 09:05:31 +0000
Subject: Re: (Fwd) Re: [Fwd: ATS are menacing me]
From: Bill Ryan
To: Arkadiusz Jadczyk
Copies to: Laura Knight-Jadczyk

Hi, Ark -

Very many thanks ­ I replied to Laura just now. I do very much appreciate
your interest. I would say that this definitely comes under the heading of
abuse!

The first message was this:

We now have the domain ProjectSerpo.org At some point tomorrow,this will be on the url http://www.abovetopsecret.com/serpo/give up your book deal, ATS will rip your integrity out.

http://www.sharpmail.co.uk - "Live in your world, email in ours" Send
'fake' email for free!
Remove this footer by upgrading.

Here is the header:

Return-Path: <apache@localhost.seproductions.co.uk>
Received: from n001.sc1.cp.net (64.97.168.30) by n067.sc1.cp.net (7.2.066)
id 43474C06011F8363 for bill.ryan@*******; Mon, 13 Feb 2006
04:26:53 +0000
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Received: by localhost.seproductions.co.uk (Postfix, from userid 48)
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To: bill.ryan@*******
From: "anon" <admin@abovetopsecret.com>
Subject: you are owned...
X-Abuse:
X-Abuse:
X-Abuse:- ABUSE - COMPLAINTS - ABUSE -
X-Abuse: To report Abuse please email
X-Abuse: Abuse@sharpmail.co.uk
X-Abuse: and quote - 12883081
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Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 04:26:52 +0000 (GMT)

The second message was this:

Bill you sure made a fool of yourself over the last email. <snipped>

And here¹s the header:

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To: bill.ryan@*******
From: "The three Amigos" <admin@abovetopsecret.com>
Reply-To: "admin@abovetopsecret.com" <12884215-1173@sharpmail.co.uk>
Subject: tut tut Bill.
X-Abuse:
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The second message was a reply to my response to the first, which I sent to
this group (so we can assume that the sender of the second message was one
of these people):

To: anon <admin@abovetopsecret.com>, "Mark@abovetopsecret.com"
<Mark@abovetopsecret.com>, <SkepticOverLord@abovetopsecret.com>
Cc: Dr Harold E Puthoff
George Knapp
<snip private emails>
<Apollinair@*******>,
<ArtBell@*******>,
<snip more private emails>
*******
<snip more emails>
*******
<Colm_Kelleher*******>,
<snip>
<DandelionBooks@*******>,
<DanTSmith@*******>,
<DarkEditor@aol.com>,
Dee777@aol.com
<snip bunch more>
<DerrelWSims@*******>
<snip a vew more>
<Dmmcmah@sandia.gov>,
<DonaldMetzger.militaryemail@*******>,
<DonWare@*******>,
<DrBobWood@*******>,
<DrJLake@*******>,
<DrMSalla@exopolitics.org>,
<EarthFiles@earthfiles.com>,
<snip bunch more>
<EnterpriseMission2001@yahoo.com>,
<EricKrieg@*******>,
<Ernst.KellerStrass@wpafb.af.mil>,
<ETDiplomat@aol.com>,
<snip>
<GNoory2000@yahoo.com>,
<GSB@starstreamresearch.com>,
<snip some more>
<Info@disclosureproject.org>,
<InstituteNewEnergy@sbcglobal.net>,
<snip bunch more>
<Joe.Firmage@corp.manyone.net>,
Richard Dolan
<snip bunch more>
Eugenia Macer-Story
<snip bunch more>
<RickDoty166@msn.com>,
<snip even more>
Saul-Paul Sirag
<SkepticOverLord@abovetopsecret.com>,
<still more snipped>
<TheRealJimMarrs@yahoo.com>,
<big snip>
<Whitley@unknowncountry.com>,
Victor Martinez"
Capt Robert M Collins <Figaro*******>

With best wishes to you both ­ Bill
(+44) *******
From: Laura Knight-Jadczyk
To: Bill Ryan
Subject: Re: [Fwd: ATS are menacing me]
Date sent: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 11:09:07 +0100

On 18 Feb 2006, at 8:39, Bill Ryan wrote:

> Yes, I¹d very much like to talk and co-operate! But first...
>
> I NEVER SENT YOU THIS:
>
> I run Serpo.org and ATS have been trying to discredit me. Now they have sent
> > me this email, who do they think they are the Mafia?Please don't use my
> name > in this, but check out what they are doing to me and my site, its a
> brutal > smear campaign.email below...Bill you sure made a fool of yourself
> over the > last email.
>
> What did you get, and from whom and when?

Well, we suspected as much because it just didn't seem "right" for some
reason. That's why we ask before we do anything.

But, considering that we have had our own issues with ATS, and I have
published about it, including numerous emails that "insiders" have sent me,
it wasn't TOO unusual to receive such an email.

>
> I¹d also be happy to talk on the phone to disentangle this... someone,
> somewhere, is intent on causing a lot of damage. (Interestingly, we also know
> that they are on Victor Martinez¹s UFO list.)

Not a surprise.

You might want to see my series of blogs on the subject of ATS here:

http://laura-knight-jadczyk.blogspot.com/2006/01/is-above-top-secret-forum-cointelpro.html

http://laura-knight-jadczyk.blogspot.com/2006/01/how-to-spot-cointelpro-agents.html

http://laura-knight-jadczyk.blogspot.com/2006/01/cointelpro-updates-above-top-secret.html

http://laura-knight-jadczyk.blogspot.com/2006/01/abovetopsecretcom-cointelpro-update_10.html

http://laura-knight-jadczyk.blogspot.com/2006/01/abovetopsecretcom-cointelpro-update-2.html

http://laura-knight-jadczyk.blogspot.com/2006/01/more-inside-scoops-on.html
http://laura-knight-jadczyk.blogspot.com/2006/01/spider-and-fly-skepticoverlord-and.html

http://laura-knight-jadczyk.blogspot.com/2006/01/cult-of-plausible-lie.html
http://laura-knight-jadczyk.blogspot.com/2006/01/abovetopsecret-ethics-and-google-bombs.html


And then, just the opening paragraph of this blog article refers to ATS:

http://laura-knight-jadczyk.blogspot.com/2006/02/abortion-psychopaths-and-mother-love.html

We have done some investigation and discovered many interesting things about ATS and I think they know what they are hiding, so they suspect that we know what we know but aren't saying... yet.

>
> It looks as if the mischief-maker¹s intention was to persuade you to take up
> the crusade on my behalf. Maybe, therefore, this is a reason why you should
> NOT do this!!

Yes. Seems like some kind of "bait."

>
> To clarify, I did get this message, pasted here in full, verbatim ­ but I DID
> NOT forward it to anyone whomsoever and merely ignored it. ³sharpmail² is an
> e-mail faking program... the authors are seeking to wreak havoc with this,
> intent on discrediting me themselves. My thoughts are to ignore it... then
> it¹ll fade out and go away. What they probably want to see is a reaction.

Yes. Well, if you read my blog posts on ATS, you'll have a pretty good idea
of what I think already. And apparently, they "backed off" from going
after us because we have too much web presence already, and decided to try
tricks instead.

>
> But the possibility remains that this is actually someone from within ATS
> itself ­ disguising their malice as sharpmail is a kind of plausible
> deniability: they can always say ³Hey! This is not us. It¹s some kid fooling
> around.² The content of the original faked mail I received, drawing my
> attention to their very malicious http://www.projectserpo.org (which is full
> of falsehoods, however they got there), indicated that there is a strong link
> between ATS and the faked mails. I¹ll append that one below the longer one
> below, so you have sight of both.

That sounds about right. At the same time, I also think that the "faked
email" may very well represent their "attitude" and intentions. We think
that cointelpro operations like this need to be exposed, but OH, so
carefully.

>
> All thoughts welcome!

Read my blog posts about them and then maybe we can put our heads together and come up with a strategy.

Laura
From: Laura Knight-Jadczyk
To: Bill Ryan
Subject: Re: (Fwd) Re: [Fwd: ATS are menacing me]
Date sent: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 11:40:06 +0100



On 18 Feb 2006, at 9:05, Bill Ryan wrote:

> The second message was a reply to my response to the first, which I sent to
> this group (so we can assume that the sender of the second message was one of
> these people):

Okay, this is interesting. We either know or know of many of the people on
this email list.

I shared the info with Kurt Nimmo and John Kaminski - both of whom are very
concerned with the cointelpro factor that they see in the 9-11 truth
movement - we have all three been subjected to all kinds of covert and not
so covert attacks. I think it is all connected with the whole New Age, UFO
cointelpro gang.

I know that "coast to coast" is cointelpro (darkeditor on the list), and
there are others that we have identified over the years that I see on the
list. There are some we KNOW are working (either consciously or
unconsciously) for the "Powers That Be." And others that we suspect. I'll
comment on a few of them:

<admin@abovetopsecret.com>, "Mark@abovetopsecret.com"
<Mark@abovetopsecret.com>, <SkepticOverLord@abovetopsecret.com>

Pretty sure about the ATS people being gov funded cointelpro on a pretty
large project.

Dr Harold E Puthoff <Puthoff@*******> Probably.

<Apollinair@aol.com> Isn't this John Alexander? If so, he's a certainty.
After "Blue Resonant Human" interacted with him, he was "taken out"
completely. Long story and maybe I'll tell it someday.


<ArtBell@mindspring.com> Certain.

<CloudRider@*******> Dick Farley is interesting. Never could make up my
mind which side he was on.


<DandelionBooks@cox.net> Know a couple people who [say they] have been royally taken by this one.


<Dee777@aol.com> Unconscious dupe. Airhead, basically.

<DonWare@*******> I've thought Don Ware was a "dupe" for a long time. But don't know where his head is nowadays so can't say.

<EnterpriseMission2001@yahoo.com> Pretty sure that Hoagland has been co-opted. But I always leave it open that he could just be an unconscious
dupe. Anybody who doesn't study the "enemy" has no possibility of avoiding
the traps.

<Info@disclosureproject.org> dupe or conscious disinfo.

<Joe.Firmage@*******> Think Joe had good intentions, but not sharp enough to see the manipulations.


<MagickMirr@*******> Eugenia is, IMO, either schizoid or psychopath... VERY nasty customer.

<Whitley@unknowncountry.com> definitely cointelpro - but maybe not
conscious.

If you want to talk, what is a good time to call? You are in UK, right? We
are in France.

Laura
Send reply to: bill.ryan*******
From: "bill.ryan*******
To: Laura
Date sent: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 07:11:12 -0500
Subject: Re: (Fwd) Re: [Fwd: ATS are menacing me]

Hi, Laura -

Many thanks. This really is very interesting to me.

A brief reply just now...

I'd also classify Hal Puthoff as a friend, though I've only met him once.
I'd stake everything I own on the fact that he's clean as well... though I
know he's been an "insider" since his SRI days. Basically, he's a very
ethical guy and I'm certain would not be part of any dirty tricks.

Yes, It'd be a pleasure to talk... my number is ***********.
Tomorrow morning (Sunday) would be ideal, as then I have a four hour car
journey and you'd have my total attention.

Best,
Bill
Send reply to: bill.ryan*******
From: *******
To: Laura Knight-Jadczyk
Date sent: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 08:29:44 -0500
Subject: Re: [Fwd: ATS are menacing me]

Thanks, Laura - the delay getting back to you here is because I was reading
your blogs with considerable interest.

I must say, I do feel I was definitely lured/tempted on to ATS, rather like
the sirens luring the unwitting sailor on to the rocks. At first I was
greeted like the Prodigal Son, but then they gradually changed their tune
and are now totally hostile; it's now being heavily and positively promoted
by them that I'm a hoaxer, even to the extent of their having set up a
special website to this end. That really bewildered and angered me.

I'm NOT a hoaxer... I assure you of that personally. The COINTELPRO
explanation is the only one that answers why they're going to such extreme
ends to attack me after I'd done my best and bust a gut to answer all and
any questions...

My stance is that (I hope!) the Serpo information will vindicate me in the
end...

Best,
Bill
I didn't call Bill because I was out and I figured the whole thing was just an attempt by ATS to stir stuff up. I thought that if Ryan didn't respond to them, and we stayed out of it, nothing more would come of the issue. Ten days passed and I received this:


Send reply to: bill.ryan*******
From: "bill.ryan*******
To: Laura Knight-Jadczyk
Copies to: sott@signs-of-the-times
Date sent: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 14:06:21 -0500
Subject: More on ATS

Dear Laura, Ark,

Please click here...

http://www.serpo.org/debate.html

...to read an account of the latest ATS dirty tricks, which really took my
breath away.

The original page is here, which the above replaced:

http://www.serpo.org/debatejrikzf.html

You will see that it references hundreds of pages of links to the (now
closed) original ATS Serpo forum. The debate at that time was high quality
and even-handed.

Every one of those links has now been redirected to their debunking
projectserpo.org site. The debate has been quashed and hijacked. “Deny
Ignorance” (ATS’s supposed watchword), with heavy irony, is more like
“promote dishonest thinking using any means, fair or foul”.

You’ll see that I have referenced all your COINTELPRO links. There a lot of
visitors to my serpo.org site, and a large number of them will now be
alerted to your thesis. There will now be a counter-attack... I’m sure. I
hope it’s fine with you that I’m keeping you updated with these
developments.

By no means everything in the research summary was pro-Serpo, but it was
honest and even-handed. The team of eight (who are not involved in this
latest development) put a lot of work into it. It was also an excellent
means by which new visitors could follow the various arguments pro and con.
This is now no longer available and has been completely quashed.

With best wishes, Bill

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From: Laura Knight-Jadczyk
To: bill.ryan@*******
Subject: Re: More on ATS
Date sent: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 22:04:48 +0100



On 1 Mar 2006, at 14:06, bill.ryan@******* wrote:
<snip>

> Every one of those links has now been redirected to their debunking
> projectserpo.org site. The debate has been quashed and hijacked. “Deny
> Ignorance” (ATS’s supposed watchword), with heavy irony, is more like
> “promote dishonest thinking using any means, fair or foul”.

We suspected as much when they tried their heavy handed tactics on us. But
we've been working in this field now for quite a few years and my husband
has 30 years experience as an educatior and administrator so there's not
much that gets past him.

>
> You’ll see that I have referenced all your COINTELPRO links. There a lot of
> visitors to my serpo.org site, and a large number of them will now be alerted
> to your thesis. There will now be a counter-attack... I’m sure. I hope it’s
> fine with you that I’m keeping you updated with these developments.

Of course. I think that the number one thing that people need to be aware
of today is Pathocratic COINTELPRO. It's a plague on the human race.

>
> By no means everything in the research summary was pro-Serpo, but it was
> honest and even-handed. The team of eight (who are not involved in this
> latest development) put a lot of work into it. It was also an excellent means
> by which new visitors could follow the various arguments pro and con. This is
> now no longer available and has been completely quashed.

I just wish I had time to look into it more myself, but I don't. I'm trying
to get some of our researchers interested in having a look but you have to
understand that our team has seen just about everything you can ever imagine
and they have followed links and paper trails until they feel like they are going
blind, and what we mostly find, again and again is circles within circles, lies
and disinformation, and it's hard as the dickens to pick the
gems out of the mud. We've been flamed and stalked and threatened and
harassed in ways that most people can't even imagine; and only because we
have a large, bright group that keeps their eyes open have we managed to
stay out of the traps.

If you could point me to one or two pages that give the synopsis of the
whole thing with any pertinent research findings (positive and negative)
that would help.

Best,

Laura
Send reply to: bill.ryan@*******
From: "bill.ryan*******
To: Laura Knight-Jadczyk
Copies to: sott@signs-of-the-times
Date sent: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 19:34:57 -0500
Subject: Re: More on ATS

Hi, Laura, Ark -

Many thanks. I had no need to urge you to consider all the
Serpo information (which is a really complex labyrinth) - the
issue was ATS. The ATS dirty tricks were rolled out very
much to quash even-handed debate on Serpo (whether true,
false, or some of each), and is simply crude, heavy-duty
propaganda to browbeat people into believing that it's a hoax.

Why would they feel they have to do that so desperately?
THAT's the issue I wanted to report...

With best wishes to you both -

Bill
And that is it so far.

At this moment, I'm tending toward Anart's explanation. The material itself probably is a hoax. As some of Jack Sarfatti's food fight list members said about Jack, I'm inclined to agree with ATS on this one (surprise) though I don't think they are pronouncing it a hoax for the sake of the truth. They probably DO want to own it. And maybe they DID write that email to Bill Ryan and thought they would drag us into it by sending it to us, or thought that they would embarass Ryan into compliance by sending it to us. Or maybe the whole "food fight" between ATS and SERPO is set up just to generate interest.

We need more data to make a determination about the parties behind this though I think we can pretty well conclude that the SERPO material itself is, as Sarfatti says, garbage.
 
Simon Grey: Christian Bailey: Abovetopsecret?

Did the person who went to look at the condo happen to notice how many other residences had satellite dishes attached? Judging from the appearance of the garages, the satellite dish looks a bit out of place - but I'm not sure how common they are there. In the states, they are everywhere now, but still not in neighborhoods that look as shady as that one does.
 
Simon Grey: Christian Bailey: Abovetopsecret?

anart said:
Did the person who went to look at the condo happen to notice how many other residences had satellite dishes attached? Judging from the appearance of the garages, the satellite dish looks a bit out of place - but I'm not sure how common they are there. In the states, they are everywhere now, but still not in neighborhoods that look as shady as that one does.
Nope - those satellite dishes are quite common here across all types of housing. I'm not quite sure of the "condo" label either unless it is referring specifically to the shared garage area; those types of house seem to be quite normal here from my experience. Tightly packed, small streets etc. Although I'm wondering, could Simon Gray have just used a random address and there be somebody else living there?
 
Simon Grey: Christian Bailey: Abovetopsecret?

Craig said:
Although I'm wondering, could Simon Gray have just used a random address and there be somebody else living there?
That's what I was thinking...or the house is rented/owned by him but he does not live there...or it's a friend's or relative's house?
 
Simon Grey: Christian Bailey: Abovetopsecret?

I found an intersting paper written in part by a 'Simon Gey' of the UK. It's titled, "Economic Policy and Prospects in Iraq"

a summary:

This paper describes the Coalition Provisional Authority’s attempts to stabilize and reform Iraq’s economy along market lines. It argues that while security concerns remain serious, Iraq’s economy has not been crippled by violence. However, sustained economic growth will depend on whether Iraq’s future leaders pursue the pro-market approaches the Coalition has advocated. If the Iraqi economy is to reach its potential, it will need to go even farther than the Coalition did, implementing reforms the Coalition did not pursue because of security concerns.
It's a pdf file so I couldn't copy and paste any excepts from that, but I did find a site that had one:

In Iraq, several factors have impeded resumption of economic growth. The security situation in many parts of the country has been inadequate for allowing the resumption of many basic economic activities. Furthermore, Iraq’s ubiquitous Oil-For-Food (OFF) programs created a dependence on subsidized imported food distributed to Iraq’s domestic markets, sharply reducing demand for many domestically produced goods This gave government officials and distributors unusual power over allocation of the economy’s resources. The negative impact on the domestic economy of OFF programs started when these programs were introduced in collaboration with the UN, long before the conflict, in the mid-1990s. After the conflict, OFF programs were transferred from UN to Iraqi government auspices, modified somewhat to increase some domestic purchases and reduced in overall budget size. Nevertheless, these programs continue to lead to purchase of billions of dollars of imports annually that are distributed almost for free on local markets, harming domestic production. The negative security situation and failure to date to replace OFF programs with monetary subsidies greatly contribute to unemployment and idleness of the population, while also creating opportunities for corruption in the administrative allocation of OFF resources. Factors such as lack of security and subsidies like OFF programs that hinder domestic production and employment can raise social tensions and increase likelihood of renewed social conflict. (Given that Iraq faces both security concerns and OFF programs, it is not readily apparent how much further unemployment and stagnation is caused by the OFF programs beyond what would result merely due to the difficult security situation.)

(footnote for the above text) Christopher Foote, William Block, Keith Crane, and Simon Grey, “Economic Prospects and Policy in Iraq,” Journal of Economic Perspectives, vol. 18, no. 3, Summer 2004, p53.
This is rather intriguing given Bailey's background in economics and Iraq. I haven't read the file yet but thought I'd pass it on.

Shane
 
Simon Grey: Christian Bailey: Abovetopsecret?

Justin said:
Craig said:
Although I'm wondering, could Simon Gray have just used a random address and there be somebody else living there?
That's what I was thinking...or the house is rented/owned by him but he does not live there...or it's a friend's or relative's house?
My guess would be that Simon Gray does not live there, but that he pays someone to receive any official mail and forward it.
 
Simon Grey: Christian Bailey: Abovetopsecret?

Additional info obtained by a reader in UK who obtained a public record report on abovetopsecret.com

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Next Accounts Due: 11/08/2007
Last Return Made Up To: (blank)

Next Return Due: 08/11/2006

Last Bulk Shareholders List: Not available

Current Appointments
Number of current appointments: 3

DESIGNATED MEMBER: ALLIN, MARK
Appointed: 11/10/2005
Date of Birth: 25/05/1963
No. of LLP appointments:1
Address:610 CHURCH AVENUE
COMANCHE
OKLAHOMA
73529

DESIGNATED MEMBER: GRAY, SIMON
Appointed: 11/10/2005
Date of Birth: 08/10/1981
No. of LLP appointments:1
Address:1 SACKVILLE CLOSE
SWINDON
SN3 3EJ

DESIGNATED MEMBER:IRVINE, WILLIAM
Appointed: 11/10/2005
Date of Birth: 08/08/1960
No. of LLP appointments:1
Address: 15 GLEN AVE
NORWALK
06850 CONNECTICUT

This Report excludes resignations

Recent Filing History

Documents filed since 11/10/2005
FILING DATE FORM DESCRIPTION
13/12/2005 288a MEMBER APPOINTED
17/11/2005 288b MEMBER RESIGNED
17/11/2005 288b MEMBER RESIGNED
17/11/2005 288a MEMBER APPOINTED
17/11/2005 288a MEMBER APPOINTED

11/10/2005 NEWINC INCORPORATION DOCUMENT CERTIFICATE OF INCORPORATION

This Report excludes 88(2) Share Allotment documents
All very interesting, especially the part about the members resigning... wonder who the original members were? Perhaps they were the ones who actually did the paperwork and were there only long enough to set the thing up, resigned, and then the other "two amigos" were appointed.
 
Simon Grey: Christian Bailey: Abovetopsecret?

I don't know whether anybody has actually seen a picture of this Christian Bailey, but I found one here (that can be enlarged) in a Washington Post article. What was said about the eyes of the psychopath? *shudder*

Young Firm Finds a Bonanza in Middle East
 
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