Racer_Unknown said:
I thought Deepak Chopra was one of those that was able to See
Anart said:
Why in the world would you have thought such a thing?
Racer_Unknown said:
Both the Deepak Chopra and Seth/Jane Roberts books first introduced me to ideas on quantum physics and consciousness. I read somewhere that Seth's material was the first to combine quantum physics and psychology.
Anart said:
I tried looking for it on the web but was unable to…. Maybe I read it in a newsletter? Since we are on the subject, would you or anyone know of any body of work that specifically talked about quantum physics and psychology - as in related to probabilities – that when an individual is faced with a choice, his being supposedly “splits” so as to pursue *various* avenues of expression simultaneously? Again, Seth is supposedly the first author (ghost writer?) to discuss these ideas in the context of psychology in the mid 60’s.
RacerUnknown said:
And Deepak oftentimes speaks about Seth's ideas in his books/talks. Much like many here - I have read - jumped into the conspiracy reality via the David Icke books - used it as a stepping stone, if you will - so did Deepak's books introduced me to a whole new world: the quantum reality. Something that exists, of course, but was really unaware or uninterested in until I found their books.
Anart said:
So, having used them as a 'stepping stone' you are still unable to realize they were just that and nothing more - or is a stepping stone what you are searching for?
I fail to follow your question. “
So, having used them as a 'stepping stone' you are still unable to realize they were just that and nothing more - or is a stepping stone what you are searching for?”
As explained in the post under discussion, I said that Deepak’s and Icke’s books helped me jump into the “quantum” and the “conspiracy” realities which in turn prepared me for Marciank’s and Laura’s work which incorporates these. That’s all I meant to say.
RacerUnknown said:
Have you read any of Deepak's books?
Anart said:
Uhhhm - no - I just say this stuff for the fun of it. (sarcasm) -- Do you really think I would comment on such a thing with no knowledge of it?
Geez, Anart. I pretty much write like I speak, you know. So it was a “figure of speech.” But if I may, did you happen to read the book
Ageless Body, Timeless Mind? If so, would you like to maybe start a thread on it? You see, one of the things I recall learning in said book is that subatomic particles do not age. Yet curiously, physical matter, which is made up of these same subatomic particles does “age.” Why? Interesting stuff.
Anart said:
Have you REALLY been a reader for 'five years or so'? http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=8538 - and if so, are you so unaware of how this forum works?
Wow. It sounds like you are accusing me of being a liar about being a SOTT reader for 5 years. I am not lying either to you or the forum members. I recall when the web site was all black (like most of the web sites of the day back then – 2002/03?) and I also recall SOTT had a slogan that among other things said was the “home of the hoaxed moon landings,” remember? BTW since I “brought up” this particular subject and you are one of the moderators, is there a thread already discussing/having discussed this? I have used the forum’s search function have not found it. Hmm. May I perhaps start a thread about this subject? The 1969 hoaxed moon landings?
Racer_Unknown said:
My favorite is Ageless Body, Timeless Mind. Although much like Seth's books, they discuss the nature of creating one's reality. (No one I think has it "all" "right.") In my own experience YCYOR has worked by the way, while other times it hasn't.
Anart said:
Really? And when has YCYOR worked, in your 'experience'?
There are many people that I’ve met who have done this! You’ve never met any? It hasn’t happened to you? That you “created” something for yourself in your life, I mean? Like say, a vacation to “where ever” suddenly materializing because you wished it at some point? Or something similar to this? (Anyone?)
As far as your question of “when” YCYOR has worked for me, Anart, and to answer your question specifically, since you have taken the time to write and ask it - as explained earlier, Icke’s books were my introduction to the “conspiracy reality.” When I first read some of his books, I was amazed that such things could exist, perhaps feeling like many of you felt the first time reading/being exposed to the reality of the conspiracies of our world. (But I didn’t buy into the “shape-shifting reptilian people” though. No one gets it “all” “right.” Heck, according to Seth, there is really no “extraterrestrial reality” or extraterrestrial menace in our world! But, as we all know, we can’t throw the baby out with the bathwater. Right? And so I try as best as I can to weed out the stuff I read from potential disnfo, either "cosmic" or "human.")
Anyway, because of what it is I do, one day, after having read some of Icke’s books, I playfully thought to myself, “
I’d REALLY like to meet this David Icke and discuss these strange conspiracies with him." Then, to cut a long and personal story short, one year later or so, I happened to “manifest” David Icke right in front of me, in the flesh, and spent a few days discussing (on and off) some of stuff in his books. True story, Anart. Not making it up/not lying.
Further truth be known, I have also tried to "create the reality" of winning the lotto… but have failed miserably…heh. So 50/50 is probably about right...?
Since we are on the subject, Deepak Chopra (also one of my “stepping stones”) shares in one of his DVD lectures (sorry, don’t recall which one) that there are “three ways of getting strawberry ice cream.”
The first way… say one is hanging out at home, and suddenly thinks, “
Gee, I’d REALLY like some strawberry ice cream.” Then you get up, and go to the store to get some. (No biggie, right?)
The second way of getting strawberry ice cream according to Deepak - using the same previous set up - one thinks/says to him-herself (with intent and desire in a relaxed manner): “
Gee, I’d REALLY like some strawberry ice cream.” Then, your wife or husband or whoever walks in the house and says “
I’ve just bought some strawberry ice cream at the supermarket (or ice cream parlor) . Would you like some?
The third and most interesting way of getting the strawberry ice cream however, is to, similarly to above, desire it, and then, pow! it manifests right in front of you INSTANTLY!
I’m still working on that one…
Racer_Unknown said:
Much like Ark or Joe I think said in one of their posts, "YCYOR: it's a 50/50 proposition/chance." But I've managed to CREATE both my current work and the reality of leaving the US and living abroad comfortably, to name but two examples.
Anart said:
You might want to reference those posts. And 'a tiny bit North and a tiny bit East' - is that really 'abroad' these days?
I tried looking for the article about YCYOR being a 50/50 deal. It seems to be missing??
When I "all the web-ed" it I got:
Signs of the Times - 2004-04-15
... that he must first of all "create the reality" or "create facts on the ground" ... I'll take a 50-50 bet. How you doing for cash? ... more hits from: http://www.sott.net/signs/signs20040415.htm - 152 KB
Maybe someone knows a different link to it?
As far as the question that follows is concerned, I don’t understand what you mean by “'tiny bit North and a tiny bit East'” But to try and answer that question, I used to live in the US but moved to somewhere in South America.
Racer_Unknown said:
Again, I really don't think that any one author or body of work has the "whole truth." They all got pieces of it but it is the seeker's response-ability to find it where ever. This takes having lots of different types of knowledge and experiences.
And so, given how much I grew in my understanding about the nature of reality - all I've learned - thanks to Seth's and Deepak's books - I thought since I am able to see the Men Behind the Curtain and many of their illusions - that Deepak could also See, you see. But I guess their books were only catalysts to what I already had within me.
Anart said:
So you understand reality? You assume you can See (thanks to Seth and Deepak)? What 'men' behind what 'curtains' do you see? What exactly do you mean when you reference what you 'already had within' yourself? How sure of yourself are you?
First of all, I must clarify something: when I said, “all I've learned - thanks to Seth's and Deepak's books –" I meant “back then” when I began to “awaken” (for lack of a better word) BEFORE getting to the P's and the C's and Ra.
What I meant by "already had within myself" is what I can only describe as the "wiring," Anart, to both accept and assimilate particular knowledge, such as the paranormal and the "conspiracy" stuff. You see, I have been privy to others not being able to accept "conspiracies" for instance. Nor can they see them.
As far as “seeing” the Men Behind the Curtain – what I See is actually based on some of what I’ve learned from Laura/C’s and the SOTT team. Methinks that the Men Behind the Curtain are the military industrial complex, pharmaceutical companies…. banking cartels… whoever is behind the major world religions… well, you know, “them....”
Anart said:
No - they are quite single edged swords - and here you are again, passively supporting the use of illegal substances. You are on quite thin ice, in case the previous discussion on this topic was lost on you.
Racer_Unknown said:
I understand... I must be very careful with my "way of talking" (in this instance, "writing"). Since I teach, I say that "line" in my lectures, you see. My apologies, Anart.
Anart said:
Ahhh - 'since you teach' - that would explain the pontification flavor of your introduction posts - perhaps it would be best if you put your self-importance aside for just a little while and considered yourself a student, before you identify yourself as a teacher.
For the record, Anart, of course I consider myself a student, as I am always learning new things. In this forum alone, I’ve learnt much. But the more I learn, the more I have to *make sure* my data is accurate, right? And so that takes even more studying/learning! Since I’m on the SOTT forum reading and learning from the many posts, I AM a student. No question about it. Nor do I think otherwise/deny it!
Yet the reality of MY *personal* life is that I also teach.
And so *here* I am learning what I can from the SOTT forum, you included.
I hope I didn't miss any questions, Anart.
Peace.
