Regarding the theory voiced by @Niall and others that there are already many millions infected, here is another hard data point that seems to disprove that. There are two studies on the prevalence of true asymptomatic cases which do not develop symptoms at any point:
  • The first study is about the Diamond Princess cruiseship where out of 3700 passengers about 3000 were tested. Their calculation gives the number of true asymptomatic cases at between 15% to 40%.
  • The second study tested all 565 Japanese evacuated from Wuhan, which gave the number of asymptomatic cases at 33% (but there were only 12 infections among those and 5 stayed completely asymptomatic).
This data suggests that there may be up to maybe 50% of completely asymptomatic coronavirus infections. This only doubles the true number of infections and does not take it into "many millions".

I think those studies are suggestive, but not yet definitive. Even if the number of asymptomatic cases is 50%, we still don't know how many people are symptomatic, just how many symptomatic cases have been tested. It's possible there are a lot of very mild cases who just assume they have a common cold and never get themselves tested (impossible to accurately quantify how many at this point).

However, if we take the mortality rate of 0.6% from the South Korean 200.000 tests and take 50% off it, this gives us a lower bound of 0.3% mortality rate for this virus. Which is indeed only 3 times worse than the regular flu.

Keep in mind that the mortality rate for flu only applies to symptomatic cases. In the U.S. it is 0.13%, most of which are elderly people with existing conditions. If you take into account asymptomatic cases, the mortality rate cuts in half, at least, to 0.065% or lower (because at least 50% of flu infections are asymptomatic, perhaps has high as 75% or higher).
 
Don't take the sodium bicarbonate and vit c together! Chemical reaction!
Yeah I took the sodium bicarbonate and then the vit c was about 2 hours later. Or did you mean don't take them the same day, Just stick to the sodium whilst I improve then the vit c protocol after that? Apologies if I haven't read up correctly.
 
Have I got some news!

So I have been put into quarantine! :umm:

I mentioned a couple of pages earlier that I was in Spain the week before it went into lockdown. So 2 of the travelling party have come down with some symptoms. One with a fever, the other with a cough.

My other half also came down with a cough but she insists it's nothing. I'm plodding away over here with a somewhat congested throat (which I've had for a number of weeks anyways)

In any case, I'm now in quarantine for 7 days, possibly 14 if those around me don't get better.

I hope covid-19 is a big hoax!
 
BREAKING EXCLUSIVE: The Coronavirus Fatality Rate Reported by the Media Is COMPLETELY INACCURATE. The Actual Rate Is LESS THAN THE FLU – MEDIA LYING AGAIN!
by Joe Hoft March 16, 2020

BREAKING EXCLUSIVE: The Coronavirus Fatality Rate Reported by the Media Is COMPLETELY INACCURATE. The Actual Rate Is LESS THAN THE FLU – MEDIA LYING AGAIN!

Joe Hoft
by Joe Hoft March 16, 2020 295 Comments

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The current estimate for the fatality rates on the coronavirus just don’t add up. The estimates based on current data are completely inaccurate. Current data shows that this virus is much less deadly that even the common flu from the 2019-2020 season.

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1. Estimates have been made about the fatality rate of the coronavirus.

Often times estimates have to be made because data is just not yet available. These estimates usually involve obtaining information that is available and making estimates on what is not. We cannot tell the future but we can make educated guesses based on information available. This is what has been done with the coronavirus because this type of virus has apparently never been seen before.

2. Sometimes estimates are reasonable and sometimes they are wrong, way off.

I personally know of estimates made by actuaries (i.e. statisticians) who projected profits in a country that were way wrong. In this case the government changed the regulations related to the business in the country which resulted in tens of millions in losses in USD. I know of another case where actuaries predicted a deal to be profitable that eventually led to over $100 million in losses.


The point is that whenever estimates are made they are always wrong because no one can tell the future. Sometimes estimates end up close and sometimes they are not and sometimes they are way off.



3. The current estimate for the coronavirus fatality rate is about 3.4%.

The estimates for the fatality rate for the coronavirus are shocking. The CDC released one report in February stating the rate varies between 12% and 1%:


Our estimates of the risk for death in Wuhan reached values as high as 12% in the epicenter of the epidemic and ≈1% in other, more mildly affected areas.

A report by the World Health Organization (WHO) and China estimates the mortality rate to be around 3.8% based on actual results:


As of 20 February, 2114 of the 55,924 laboratory confirmed cases have died (crude fatality ratio [CFR2] 3.8%) (note: at least some of whom were identified using a case definition that included pulmonary disease). The overall CFR varies by location and intensity of transmission (i.e. 5.8% in Wuhan vs. 0.7% in other areas in China).

Other reports are that the WHO estimates the mortality rate to be around 3.4%:

The World Health Organization (WHO) has estimated the mortality rate from Covid-19 is about 3.4%. That is higher than seasonal flu and is cause for concern – but even if it is correct, more than 96% of people who become infected with the coronavirus will recover.

As of today, the actual fatality rate for those who were confirmed to have had the coronavirus is 3.84%. This is the number of fatalities from the virus divided by the number of individuals who were confirmed with the virus.

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4. The same rate for the flu is 10% (but the media tells you it’s .1%).

As The Gateway Pundit reported earlier, according to CDC numbers, in the US in the 2019-2020 flu season, there were 222,000 confirmed cases of the flu from testing and an estimated 36 million flu cases in the United States. There were 22,000 confirmed deaths from the flu.

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Note that the number of deaths and confirmed cases (through testing) of the flu in the US are based on actual data. The number of individuals who contracted the flu is an estimate by experts. There is no way to know who had the flu in the US because many cases are not severe and people do not have a test done to confirm they had the flu. They believe their symptoms are minor and go on with their normal lives thinking they have a cold or something similar. Because of this, the CDC must estimate and they estimated 36 million people had the flu in this past flu season.



The rate of the number of individuals who died from the flu to the number of individuals who had the flu is therefore .1% (22,000 / 36 million). This is an estimate.


However, the rate of individuals who died from the flu to the number of individuals who were confirmed to have had the flu is around 10% (22,000/ 222,000). This is based on actual data similar to the rate for the coronavirus above.


5. Actual results for the coronavirus are lower than the flu.


Based on the above numbers, the actual fatality rates for those who were confirmed to have had the coronavirus are around 3.4%.
The actual rates for those who were confirmed to have had the flu are around 10%.


The actual data shows that the fatality rate for those who had the flu (10%) is 6% higher than for those with the coronavirus (3.8%).

6. Current estimates between the flu and the coronavirus are not comparing ‘apples to apples’.

The fatality rate that is commonly referred to in the media for the coronavirus is 3.4% from the WHO. This number is based on actual cases of those who are confirmed with the virus.


The flu fatality rate provided by the CDC includes an estimate of individuals who had the flu but were not confirmed while the fatality rate for the coronavirus does not include those who had the coronavirus but were not confirmed. This is why the flu fatality rate is .1% and the coronavirus fatality rate is 3.4%!


The two rates are like comparing apples to oranges. By doing so the coronavirus fatality rate is way overstated when compared to the flu and the media has created a worldwide crisis and panic by reporting this!


The coronavirus is not more fatal than the flu based on current data. It is much less fatal than the flu based on current data.


7. Those most at risk from the coronavirus are the elderly and sick (similar to the flu).

Similar to the flu, those most at risk of dying from the coronavirus are the elderly and the sick. The average age for those who died from the coronavirus in Italy is 81 years old. This is consistent around the world. There have been no known fatalities for any children 10 and under.

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The sick are also at a higher risk similar to the flu. Current data shows that if you have no pre-existing conditions, your fatality rate if you contract the coronavirus is .9% (and what proportion of these cases are the elderly).


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In summary, the coronavirus is not as deadly as is being portrayed in the lying liberal media. In fact it is not as deadly as the flu. The elderly and the sick should be protected. Everyone else has very little to worry about. Again, don’t believe what the media is telling you. They are lying again.
 
Have I got some news!

So I have been put into quarantine! :umm:

I mentioned a couple of pages earlier that I was in Spain the week before it went into lockdown. So 2 of the travelling party have come down with some symptoms. One with a fever, the other with a cough.

My other half also came down with a cough but she insists it's nothing. I'm plodding away over here with a somewhat congested throat (which I've had for a number of weeks anyways)

In any case, I'm now in quarantine for 7 days, possibly 14 if those around me don't get better.

I hope covid-19 is a big hoax!

In this case, I suggest you do what you can with the recommended advice to take care of yourself and your loved ones (if they accept it of course). I wish you a good recovery
 
I feel okay (at least I think I do). Hope it stays this way! Fingers crossed! Just a slight congested throat but I've had that for weeks. Someone I know had the flu back in December and they passed that across - I know this as they said they had a congested throat for a while.

On the covid-19, mostly worried about my other half whose had this constant dry cough for a couple of days! I know... Right? Supposedly one of the classic symptoms. But she insists she's fine... Stubbornly so! No other symptoms.

In any case, next 2 or so weeks should be interesting.

This thing better be a hoax because loads of people will come down with it. One of the employees in my company is certified confirmed... They had to clear out a WHOLE floor and deep clean!

Also was walking to the supermarket yesterday and heard the darnedest thing... A random stranger was walking in the opposite direction talking to his wife...I heard bits of the convo - she was like, what kind of cough is it? He was like, 'think it's a dry cough' in a really dismayed and defeated fashion.

It's everywhere. DAMN YOU BORIS! (#blameBoris)
 
Looks like the quarantine in china has shed light on a new reality in married couples.
En Chine, les divorces explosent après la fin de la quarantaine
The number of divorces increased significantly in China as soon as the quarantine due to the coronavirus was lifted. Specialists say that couples separate after spending too much time together in isolation.

The divorce rate in China has risen sharply because "couples spend too much time together at home" during self-isolation due to the coronavirus, reports the Chinese newspaper Global Times referring to registrars across the country.

Chinese civil registration offices have thus noted a sharp increase in the number of divorces as soon as the quarantine was lifted.

Disputes over trifles
Officials believe that this could be caused by the spouses having spent too much time in an enclosed area during the quarantine.
 
I feel okay (at least I think I do). Hope it stays this way! Fingers crossed! Just a slight congested throat but I've had that for weeks. Someone I know had the flu back in December and they passed that across - I know this as they said they had a congested throat for a while.

On the covid-19, mostly worried about my other half whose had this constant dry cough for a couple of days! I know... Right? Supposedly one of the classic symptoms. But she insists she's fine... Stubbornly so! No other symptoms.

In any case, next 2 or so weeks should be interesting.

This thing better be a hoax because loads of people will come down with it. One of the employees in my company is certified confirmed... They had to clear out a WHOLE floor and deep clean!

Also was walking to the supermarket yesterday and heard the darnedest thing... A random stranger was walking in the opposite direction talking to his wife...I heard bits of the convo - she was like, what kind of cough is it? He was like, 'think it's a dry cough' in a really dismayed and defeated fashion.

It's everywhere. DAMN YOU BORIS! (#blameBoris)

Hi Sott Reader. I hope you are ok. It's perhaps worth keeping in mind what others have tried to share here - that fear of the virus is potentially way more dangerous to one than riding the wave of the hysteria with a calm mind and a measured/sensible degree of self protection - along with a healthy dose of critical distance as to its likely danger to the self of contracting. Are you taking eldeberry and other suggested protocols? Good luck with your prognosis.
 
According to this Tweet.
Two cities, #Xiaogan and #Tianmen in #Hubei, locked down again after opening for only one day.
Imagine being in lockdown for weeks, then it is over, but reinstituted the next day! Reminds one of Pavlovs dogs and Transmarginal Inhibition. One could also take the view that if China wishes to sustain the panic in the rest of the world, this news is useful.

新冠肺炎疫情实时动态 has the last numbers from China. The number of new infections is about zero, the number of dead is decreasing ;-)
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Well, WHAT'S this WORLD coming too? Jew's can no longer "Kiss-the-WALL" and the POPE is walking empty Roman street's looking for Saint Peter (who went AWOL) in search for better working conditions?

SOMEONE ... SAVE US! The END is HERE!

Jewish worshippers urged not to kiss Western Wall due to coronavirus fears
FILE PHOTO: An ultra-Orthodox Jewish man kisses the Western Wall, Judaism's holiest prayer site, in Jerusalem's Old City November 28, 2012. REUTERS/Marko Djurica/ File Photo

Pope in dramatic visit to empty Rome to pray for end of virus
Pope Francis walks in a deserted Rome to pray at two shrines for the end of the coronavirus pandemic, in Rome, Italy March 15, 2020. Vatican Media/?Handout via REUTERS

Can't even get a drink in Ireland on Blessed Saint Patrick's Day? What the HELL! Have the Saints abandoned US?
Last orders... Ireland closes all pubs on eve of St Patrick's Day

WHAT - no food? What am I going to binge on?
British supermarkets' plea to shoppers: stop panic buying
FILE PHOTO: Empty shelves of pasta are seen at a supermarket, as the number of coronavirus cases grow around the world, in London, Britain March 13, 2020.  REUTERS/Dylan Martinez

Well, this is an option? Do you SMOKE it or DRINK it? How many carb's in that?
Hindu group offers cow urine in a bid to ward off coronavirus
Members of All India Hindu Mahasabha drink cow urine as they attend a gaumutra (cow urine) party, which according to them helps warding off coronavirus disease (COVID-19), in New Delhi, India March 14, 2020. REUTERS/Danish Siddiqui

Can't even climb the HIGHEST Mountain ... to get away from this insane madness!
Nepal closes Mount Everest for climbers because of coronavirus fears
FILE PHOTO: Light illuminates Mount Everest (C) during sunset in Solukhumbu district, also known as the Everest region, in this picture taken November 30, 2015. REUTERS/Navesh Chitrakar

Escaping the City is a lonely road ... (Where did you say this leads too?)
A year documenting migration on the Rio Grande
FILE PHOTO: A group of migrants walk past plowed farmland after crossing into the United States from Mexico, as they make their way towards a gap in the border wall to surrender to US border patrol, near Penitas, Texas, U.S., January 10, 2019. REUTERS/Adrees Latif

While expanding on inventory ... might want to bump up with extra supplies for pre-natal and MATERNITY WARDS ... for the heavy influx of BIRTH's in the Fall ... due to Home Quarantine's AND extended Lockdown's - Oh Ba-Ba-BaBY!!!!!
UK wants more ventilators, hospital beds as coronavirus spreads
FILE PHOTO: Gauges to regulate oxygen on a ventilator are seen at a lab run by the University Health Network in Toronto, Ontario, Canada May 24, 2019. REUTERS/Chris Helgren/File Photo

Night - Night ... :hug2:
People look out of their apartment windows as part of an event organised through social media to show gratitude to healthcare workers during the coronavirus outbreak in Madrid, Spain, March 14, 2020. REUTERS/Susana Vera
 
Ok, eyes down for a full house... so let me see... that's say another month from where they are to go through rushed 'proof of concept'... and then 6-8 months before clinical trials... which should be at least 4-6 months for safety reasons right....? even if that is inadequate...? so that means a vaccine on the market in say mid 2021 earliest, early 2022 more sensibly.

Hands up everyone who thinks the vaccine will be on the market in July 2020 latest? When the virus is gone from sight...?

So that means we have to look forward to hysteria until such a time as they get it to market this year... because otherwise, whats the point of all this? Who will line up without it...

Sorry if this has already been said, as I am still catching up the last comments from yesterday.
The bolded part reminds me of the scenario from Contagious, the movie: Stay home until vaccine be delivered to everyone.

And about that, just a thought:
Despite the "well-known" time needed to make and sell a vaccine - aka 18 to 24 months at least - they could argue that they managed to get it faster by making all the scientists all over the world, working hand-to-hand, for the safe of humanity and make it possible to happen. What a glory Day for Globalism!
 
I must thank all of you for the ongoing discussion of this topic. It helps me immensely to navigate through. I have had ups and down mood-wise during the last week, falling into a mild panic / depression few times but I am out of it. Thanks to you. Feel much stronger now.

A while ago I researched some Czech articles from March 2019 and also January 2020 about flu epidemics and related deaths as well as durations... it appears as if this hysteria is, if anything, perfectly timed for the culmination of seasonal flu in order to ensure the hospitals will really be full and many elders in need of a bed. Fantastic opportunity to create confusion in diagnosing new cases and make up the statistics for corona. Voila!

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I must thank all of you for the ongoing discussion of this topic. It helps me immensely to navigate through. I have had ups and down mood-wise during the last week, falling into a mild panic / depression few times but I am out of it. Thanks to you. Feel much stronger now.

A while ago I researched some Czech articles from March 2019 and also January 2020 about flu epidemics and related deaths as well as durations... it appears as if this hysteria is, if anything, perfectly timed for the culmination of seasonal flu in order to ensure the hospitals will really be full and many elders in need of a bed. Fantastic opportunity to create confusion in diagnosing new cases and make up the statistics for corona. Voila!

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Geting a hysteric response en masse by misnaming a flu virus in the flu season and with msm projecting wild west scenarios seems like an easy job for the PTBs...
 
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