Stories of Covid vaccination side effects or worse

My father-in-law has been dizzy for a few days. He underwent medical examinations and was found to have a lump in contact with the cerebellum, the size of a small apricot. He is due to meet the surgeon shortly to determine the most appropriate treatment. I fear the worst as he has three jabs.
 
snicker said:
It is extremely difficult to explain the entire basis of organ support and intensive care medicine in a few forum posts. But suffice to say much on the conversation here uses language of medicine but does not understand the nuance.
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Right.
Lets make it very simple- can you kindly explain why would administration of midazolam or benzodiazepines ( known respiratory depressants ) to patients with already compromised respiratory function be justified under any circumstances?!

Care to comment on this documentary?
 
Z... said:
Right.
Lets make it very simple- can you kindly explain why would administration of midazolam or benzodiazepines ( known respiratory depressants ) to patients with already compromised respiratory function be justified under any circumstances?!

Care to comment on this documentary?
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Yes that is fine. Patients who are not intubated and ventilated are not given benzodiazepines such as midazolam unless in controlled circumstances in which respiratory depression (the decreased drive to spontaneously breathe) can be rapidly managed if necessary or the drug can be reversed (doxapram). For example procedural sedation i.e an endoscopy or colonoscopy where you probably don't want to be fully aware during the procedure - it'd be quite unpleasant. Essentially it is a mild anaesthetic. Used carefully you get a lovely warm feeling and the anaesthetist occasionally reminds you to take a deep breath if you forget. It also stops you forming memories so even if you were distressed during the procedure, you can't remember it after. Another common use of midazolam is for patients who are distressed during the dying process. Yes it may cause a degree of respiratory depression, just as opiates do, but the main aim is to relieve distress. I would very much expect most would welcome symptomatic relief of pain and distress at the possible expense of a couple less minutes of life. Feel free to tell your health care practitioner if you don't want this though, we will respect your wishes and watch you gasp till the end.

Covid patients (and many other patients) received midazolam as part of multiple anaesthetic drugs in intensive care. They are put to sleep usually with propofol, kept asleep with both propofol and an opiate, (usually either fentanyl or remifentanil) and then, if they appear still to be not synchronizing with the ventilator adequately they may require further sedation with either midazolam or an alpha antagonist such as clonidine. All anaesthetic agents other than ketamine are respiratory depressants. All stop the patient trying to spontaneously breathe. Propofol is a much stronger respiratory depressant than midazolam, as are fentanyl and remifentanil, and that's what all patients are on prior to midazolam being added in. It's part of the point of them. I suspect a large number of you have had an anaesthetic in the past. You will all have stopped spontaneously breathing for some time and either been kept this way, possibly paralysed and mechanically ventilated for the duration of the operation or gradually allowed to restart your own breaths while being assisted by the anaesthetist. Propofol is the most commonly used intravenous anaesthetic used around the world partly because it causes respiratory depression and decreases the laryngeal reflexes allowing the anaesthetist to pass an endotracheal tube and take over mechanical ventilation. It baffles me that midazolam seems to have become the devil in this story when the "Michael Jackson murdering" propofol has got away scot free, despite being way more effective at this "terrible" respiratory depression.

In severe COVID pneumonitis or in fact any respiratory failure due to lung damage or many other things, you cannot oxygenate your own blood adequately to sustain life, so you must be heavily sedated in order to be able to put a tube down your throat and administer higher partial pressures of oxygen than can be provided with non-invasive ventilation (CPAP). Sometimes you must paralyse the patients skeletal muscles to prevent any elastic recoil against the ventilator in order to achieve the higher pressures needed to pass oxygen across that membrane and into the blood. This is done with a drug called atracurium. It is very unpleasant to be completely paralysed with any awareness, so we ensure total anaesthesia before doing this. This is where midazolam is often added in. In extreme respiratory failure in cases where it is simply impossible to oxygenate the patient sufficiently to prevent organ damage and death, the patient may be turned prone, onto their front, in order to inflate the lung areas that become collapsed under the pressure of lying supine for a long time (humans aren't designed to lie flat for a long time, much worse if you're fat). To flip an anaesthetised critically unwell patient onto their front is quite a major undertaking. To make it safe it also requires the patient to usually be paralysed and extremely heavily anaesthetised. Midazolam comes into play here as well. In all of these scenarios , causing respiratory depression is completely irrelevant as the depression is already being treated. Does this make sense?

As to why we don,'t just use one anaesthetic drugs i.e propofol at higher and higher doses, well everything has side effects unfortunately. Propofol is a fat based drug which can cause lipid overload in high doses. Hence why we add in an opiate to lower the amount of propofol necessary. Opiates like morphine/fentanyl/remifentanil don't anesthetise , but do remove pain, larangeal reflexes and respiratory drive. But it also stops your gut working at high doses causing severe constipation, decreasing nutrition absorption and sometimes even bowel perforation (rarely though). Also having a distended abdomen can significantly impact on respiratory function as the lung bases are compressed under the added pressure. (Picture lungs as bath sponges, doesn't take a lot for them to get squished and unusable). To keep the levels of opiate down to useful.abd non harmful levels midazolam is added to provide added sedation, amnesia and some respiratory depression.

Does this answer your question? I'm really trying to condense a hugely complex medical specialty into a forum post. It's not that easy. Essentially your phase "respiratory depression" refers to a patient's spontaneous need to take breath. Bit irrelevant whether this is there or not when their lungs are so broken that they won't sustain life whether air is entering them or not, they are fully anaesthetised and a machine is breathing for them anyway.
 
Z... said:
Right.
Lets make it very simple- can you kindly explain why would administration of midazolam or benzodiazepines ( known respiratory depressants ) to patients with already compromised respiratory function be justified under any circumstances?!

Care to comment on this documentary?
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The program you have linked to a very good demonstration of misunderstanding of palliative care drugs and a great example of poor communication between medical professionals and patients/families. Morphine and midazolam are used to decrease pain, anxiety and the sensation of breathlessness at end of life. this is it's purpose. I'm quite interested as to how you picture/anticipate your death and how you think this will be achieved? I have watched many people's lives end during my career. I am genuinely interested in what you think may happen in the hours or days before your death (presuming you are not hit by a bus tomorrow), how you think you may feel and what you would like your loved ones to witness sat next to you.
 
Z... said:
Of course it is. This should be clear to anyone with medical training.
But hey - they were just following the orders.
Didn’t work in Nuremberg trial though.
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Please refer to my quite lengthy explanation as to why respiratory depression is irrelevant when you are already anaesthised and on a ventilator.
 
snicker said:
Yes that is fine. Patients who are not intubated and ventilated are not given benzodiazepines such as midazolam unless in controlled circumstances in which respiratory depression (the decreased drive to spontaneously breathe) can be rapidly managed if necessary or the drug can be reversed (doxapram). For example procedural sedation i.e an endoscopy or colonoscopy where you probably don't want to be fully aware during the procedure - it'd be quite unpleasant. Essentially it is a mild anaesthetic. Used carefully you get a lovely warm feeling and the anaesthetist occasionally reminds you to take a deep breath if you forget. It also stops you forming memories so even if you were distressed during the procedure, you can't remember it after. Another common use of midazolam is for patients who are distressed during the dying process. Yes it may cause a degree of respiratory depression, just as opiates do, but the main aim is to relieve distress. I would very much expect most would welcome symptomatic relief of pain and distress at the possible expense of a couple less minutes of life. Feel free to tell your health care practitioner if you don't want this though, we will respect your wishes and watch you gasp till the end.

Covid patients (and many other patients) received midazolam as part of multiple anaesthetic drugs in intensive care. They are put to sleep usually with propofol, kept asleep with both propofol and an opiate, (usually either fentanyl or remifentanil) and then, if they appear still to be not synchronizing with the ventilator adequately they may require further sedation with either midazolam or an alpha antagonist such as clonidine. All anaesthetic agents other than ketamine are respiratory depressants. All stop the patient trying to spontaneously breathe. Propofol is a much stronger respiratory depressant than midazolam, as are fentanyl and remifentanil, and that's what all patients are on prior to midazolam being added in. It's part of the point of them. I suspect a large number of you have had an anaesthetic in the past. You will all have stopped spontaneously breathing for some time and either been kept this way, possibly paralysed and mechanically ventilated for the duration of the operation or gradually allowed to restart your own breaths while being assisted by the anaesthetist. Propofol is the most commonly used intravenous anaesthetic used around the world partly because it causes respiratory depression and decreases the laryngeal reflexes allowing the anaesthetist to pass an endotracheal tube and take over mechanical ventilation. It baffles me that midazolam seems to have become the devil in this story when the "Michael Jackson murdering" propofol has got away scot free, despite being way more effective at this "terrible" respiratory depression.

In severe COVID pneumonitis or in fact any respiratory failure due to lung damage or many other things, you cannot oxygenate your own blood adequately to sustain life, so you must be heavily sedated in order to be able to put a tube down your throat and administer higher partial pressures of oxygen than can be provided with non-invasive ventilation (CPAP). Sometimes you must paralyse the patients skeletal muscles to prevent any elastic recoil against the ventilator in order to achieve the higher pressures needed to pass oxygen across that membrane and into the blood. This is done with a drug called atracurium. It is very unpleasant to be completely paralysed with any awareness, so we ensure total anaesthesia before doing this. This is where midazolam is often added in. In extreme respiratory failure in cases where it is simply impossible to oxygenate the patient sufficiently to prevent organ damage and death, the patient may be turned prone, onto their front, in order to inflate the lung areas that become collapsed under the pressure of lying supine for a long time (humans aren't designed to lie flat for a long time, much worse if you're fat). To flip an anaesthetised critically unwell patient onto their front is quite a major undertaking. To make it safe it also requires the patient to usually be paralysed and extremely heavily anaesthetised. Midazolam comes into play here as well. In all of these scenarios , causing respiratory depression is completely irrelevant as the depression is already being treated. Does this make sense?

As to why we don,'t just use one anaesthetic drugs i.e propofol at higher and higher doses, well everything has side effects unfortunately. Propofol is a fat based drug which can cause lipid overload in high doses. Hence why we add in an opiate to lower the amount of propofol necessary. Opiates like morphine/fentanyl/remifentanil don't anesthetise , but do remove pain, larangeal reflexes and respiratory drive. But it also stops your gut working at high doses causing severe constipation, decreasing nutrition absorption and sometimes even bowel perforation (rarely though). Also having a distended abdomen can significantly impact on respiratory function as the lung bases are compressed under the added pressure. (Picture lungs as bath sponges, doesn't take a lot for them to get squished and unusable). To keep the levels of opiate down to useful.abd non harmful levels midazolam is added to provide added sedation, amnesia and some respiratory depression.

Does this answer your question? I'm really trying to condense a hugely complex medical specialty into a forum post. It's not that easy. Essentially your phase "respiratory depression" refers to a patient's spontaneous need to take breath. Bit irrelevant whether this is there or not when their lungs are so broken that they won't sustain life whether air is entering them or not, they are fully anaesthetised and a machine is breathing for them anyway.
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this recently from Dr Mercola is a repeat of a video posted near the beginning of the COVID outbreak, with additional information in the notes. Ventilators were soon discovered to be a death sentence, and Ivermectin does work if given within 48 hours of symptoms. Unfortunately people were told to go home and wait until they were really sick.

articles.mercola.com

This Medical Practice Is Certain Death for COVID-19 Patients

By early April 2020, doctors were already questioning the use of this medical strategy to help COVID-19 patients, but their concerns fell on deaf ears.
articles.mercola.com articles.mercola.com

Story at a glance is as follows:
  • Within weeks of the pandemic outbreak, it had become apparent that the standard practice of putting COVID-19 patients on mechanical ventilation was a death sentence; 76.4% of COVID-19 patients (aged 18 to 65) in New York City who were placed on ventilators died. Among patients over age 65 who were vented, the mortality rate was 97.2%
  • The recommendation to place COVID patients on mechanical ventilation as a first-line response came from the World Health Organization, which allegedly based its guidance on experiences and recommendations from doctors in China. But venting COVID patients wasn’t recommended because it increased survival. It was to protect health care workers by isolating the virus inside the vent machine
  • Data suggest around 10,000 patients died with COVID in NYC hospitals after being put on ventilators in spring 2020. Other metropolitan areas also saw massive spikes in deaths among younger individuals who were at low risk of dying from COVID. It’s possible many of these deaths were the result of being placed on mechanical ventilation
  • The WHO must be held accountable for its unethical recommendation to sacrifice suspected COVID patients by using ventilation as an infection mitigation strategy — especially considering they’re now trying to get unilateral power and authority to make pandemic decisions without local input
  • Showing how the WHO’s recommendation to put patients on mechanical ventilation resulted in needless death among people who weren’t at great risk of dying from COVID is perhaps one of the most powerful talking points a country can use to argue for independence and rejection of the WHO’s pandemic treaty

takecontrol.substack.com

The Great COVID Death Coverup

By early April 2020, doctors were already questioning the use of this medical strategy to help COVID-19 patients, but their concerns fell on deaf ears.
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VACCINE FALLOUT: David Martin says best case scenario for covid jabs is "about 600 million people incapacitated"
Dr. David Martin spoke with Seth Holehouse recently about the number of people who either already are or will be incapacitated due to either receiving Wuhan coronavirus (COVID-19) "vaccines" personally or having to take care of someone they know who did and became injured – and the numbers are ugly.

Starting with the number three billion, which is a rough estimate for how many people around the world took a COVID injection or injections, Martin looked at which jab lots and batches were most harmful and which were least harmful. From that, he calculated that around 600 million people in a best-case scenario will soon be incapacitated – if they are not already incapacitated. "If we start with the number three billion, and then we start looking at 'what were these problematic lots and batches?' which is the way I've looked at this thing from the standpoint from the way I look at the world, because I look at the world through the lens of risk management and risk transfer," we arrive that this figure, Martin explained. "Most people don't know that my corporation is involved in risk management," Martin added. "We happen to do financial risk management, but we are very intimately involved in the broader sector of what we think of as actuarial sciences that give rise to insurance."

After looking at the numbers and evaluating the lots most associated with extremely high numbers of adverse reactions, Martin believes that the number of people worldwide who will lose, or already have lost, their ability to function as normal in society will be the equivalent of two United States populations combined.

"There's been a lot of conversation about the fact that there are certain batches that had high degrees of problematic adverse events, and then certain batches that seemed to have no effect at all," Martin explained. "If you look at the number of problematic batches – you're talking about seven to 15 percent, somewhere in that range – of all the batches ... that had extremely severe adverse events ... we're talking about in the best case ... we're talking about permanent death and disability to 300 million people – that i the best case. That is the entire population of the United States distributed across the world – that is the number we're talking about and that is the best case."

The unleashing of COVID "vaccines" was one of the worst genocide events ever to occur in human history​

Martin estimates that upwards of 300 million people around the world have personally succumbed to or been incapacitated due to having taken a COVID shot or shots. Such incapacitation includes long-term health problems such as stroke, paralysis, neurodegenerative problems, Alzheimer's disease, and other things resulting in disability. Another 300 million people at least will be taken out of the workforce and out of normal everyday life by the sheer fact that they will have to look after the other 300 million people. This incapacitated group may include family members, friends, and caretakers of the sick and disabled who got jabbed. "Putting this into context, when we think about what this means ... the amount of care that is required to deal with people who are suffering from long-term effects ... what we know is that this 300 million people take out another 300 million or more people because these are people who will not be able to be part of the contributing economy," Martin said. "They're not going to be able to do the things they have historically done because they will be, in fact, involved in the near 24/7 care of the individuals who are actually in that other 300 million. So, we're talking about 600 million people incapacitated." The latest news about the devastating impact of COVID injections on human health can be found at ChemicalViolence.com Sources include: Rumble.com NaturalNews.com

Source: VACCINE FALLOUT: David Martin says best case scenario for covid jabs is
 
snicker said:
Yes that is fine. Patients who are not intubated and ventilated are not given benzodiazepines such as midazolam unless in controlled circumstances in which respiratory depression (the decreased drive to spontaneously breathe) can be rapidly managed if necessary or the drug can be reversed (doxapram). For example procedural sedation i.e an endoscopy or colonoscopy where you probably don't want to be fully aware during the procedure - it'd be quite unpleasant. Essentially it is a mild anaesthetic. Used carefully you get a lovely warm feeling and the anaesthetist occasionally reminds you to take a deep breath if you forget. It also stops you forming memories so even if you were distressed during the procedure, you can't remember it after. Another common use of midazolam is for patients who are distressed during the dying process. Yes it may cause a degree of respiratory depression, just as opiates do, but the main aim is to relieve distress. I would very much expect most would welcome symptomatic relief of pain and distress at the possible expense of a couple less minutes of life. Feel free to tell your health care practitioner if you don't want this though, we will respect your wishes and watch you gasp till the end.

Covid patients (and many other patients) received midazolam as part of multiple anaesthetic drugs in intensive care. They are put to sleep usually with propofol, kept asleep with both propofol and an opiate, (usually either fentanyl or remifentanil) and then, if they appear still to be not synchronizing with the ventilator adequately they may require further sedation with either midazolam or an alpha antagonist such as clonidine. All anaesthetic agents other than ketamine are respiratory depressants. All stop the patient trying to spontaneously breathe. Propofol is a much stronger respiratory depressant than midazolam, as are fentanyl and remifentanil, and that's what all patients are on prior to midazolam being added in. It's part of the point of them. I suspect a large number of you have had an anaesthetic in the past. You will all have stopped spontaneously breathing for some time and either been kept this way, possibly paralysed and mechanically ventilated for the duration of the operation or gradually allowed to restart your own breaths while being assisted by the anaesthetist. Propofol is the most commonly used intravenous anaesthetic used around the world partly because it causes respiratory depression and decreases the laryngeal reflexes allowing the anaesthetist to pass an endotracheal tube and take over mechanical ventilation. It baffles me that midazolam seems to have become the devil in this story when the "Michael Jackson murdering" propofol has got away scot free, despite being way more effective at this "terrible" respiratory depression.

In severe COVID pneumonitis or in fact any respiratory failure due to lung damage or many other things, you cannot oxygenate your own blood adequately to sustain life, so you must be heavily sedated in order to be able to put a tube down your throat and administer higher partial pressures of oxygen than can be provided with non-invasive ventilation (CPAP). Sometimes you must paralyse the patients skeletal muscles to prevent any elastic recoil against the ventilator in order to achieve the higher pressures needed to pass oxygen across that membrane and into the blood. This is done with a drug called atracurium. It is very unpleasant to be completely paralysed with any awareness, so we ensure total anaesthesia before doing this. This is where midazolam is often added in. In extreme respiratory failure in cases where it is simply impossible to oxygenate the patient sufficiently to prevent organ damage and death, the patient may be turned prone, onto their front, in order to inflate the lung areas that become collapsed under the pressure of lying supine for a long time (humans aren't designed to lie flat for a long time, much worse if you're fat). To flip an anaesthetised critically unwell patient onto their front is quite a major undertaking. To make it safe it also requires the patient to usually be paralysed and extremely heavily anaesthetised. Midazolam comes into play here as well. In all of these scenarios , causing respiratory depression is completely irrelevant as the depression is already being treated. Does this make sense?

As to why we don,'t just use one anaesthetic drugs i.e propofol at higher and higher doses, well everything has side effects unfortunately. Propofol is a fat based drug which can cause lipid overload in high doses. Hence why we add in an opiate to lower the amount of propofol necessary. Opiates like morphine/fentanyl/remifentanil don't anesthetise , but do remove pain, larangeal reflexes and respiratory drive. But it also stops your gut working at high doses causing severe constipation, decreasing nutrition absorption and sometimes even bowel perforation (rarely though). Also having a distended abdomen can significantly impact on respiratory function as the lung bases are compressed under the added pressure. (Picture lungs as bath sponges, doesn't take a lot for them to get squished and unusable). To keep the levels of opiate down to useful.abd non harmful levels midazolam is added to provide added sedation, amnesia and some respiratory depression.

Does this answer your question? I'm really trying to condense a hugely complex medical specialty into a forum post. It's not that easy. Essentially your phase "respiratory depression" refers to a patient's spontaneous need to take breath. Bit irrelevant whether this is there or not when their lungs are so broken that they won't sustain life whether air is entering them or not, they are fully anaesthetised and a machine is breathing for them anyway.
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I believe some here are talking about assisted dying in the context of the care home environment, not hospital protocols for ventilation....certainly I would like to understand the reasoning for the use of midazolam for these elderly people in care homes who did not have the medical support system that a hospital provides. Reading the reports from care homes, it's very obvious to me that what occurred was assisted dying. Horrific.
 
Potatoes and Tomatoes said:
I believe some here are talking about assisted dying in the context of the care home environment, not hospital protocols for ventilation....certainly I would like to understand the reasoning for the use of midazolam for these elderly people in care homes who did not have the medical support system that a hospital provides. Reading the reports from care homes, it's very obvious to me that what occurred was assisted dying. Horrific.
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Because dying breathless and panicking is not a good way to die.
 
Can
anartist said:
this recently from Dr Mercola is a repeat of a video posted near the beginning of the COVID outbreak, with additional information in the notes. Ventilators were soon discovered to be a death sentence, and Ivermectin does work if given within 48 hours of symptoms. Unfortunately people were told to go home and wait until they were really sick.

articles.mercola.com

This Medical Practice Is Certain Death for COVID-19 Patients

By early April 2020, doctors were already questioning the use of this medical strategy to help COVID-19 patients, but their concerns fell on deaf ears.
articles.mercola.com articles.mercola.com

Story at a glance is as follows:
  • Within weeks of the pandemic outbreak, it had become apparent that the standard practice of putting COVID-19 patients on mechanical ventilation was a death sentence; 76.4% of COVID-19 patients (aged 18 to 65) in New York City who were placed on ventilators died. Among patients over age 65 who were vented, the mortality rate was 97.2%
  • The recommendation to place COVID patients on mechanical ventilation as a first-line response came from the World Health Organization, which allegedly based its guidance on experiences and recommendations from doctors in China. But venting COVID patients wasn’t recommended because it increased survival. It was to protect health care workers by isolating the virus inside the vent machine
  • Data suggest around 10,000 patients died with COVID in NYC hospitals after being put on ventilators in spring 2020. Other metropolitan areas also saw massive spikes in deaths among younger individuals who were at low risk of dying from COVID. It’s possible many of these deaths were the result of being placed on mechanical ventilation
  • The WHO must be held accountable for its unethical recommendation to sacrifice suspected COVID patients by using ventilation as an infection mitigation strategy — especially considering they’re now trying to get unilateral power and authority to make pandemic decisions without local input
  • Showing how the WHO’s recommendation to put patients on mechanical ventilation resulted in needless death among people who weren’t at great risk of dying from COVID is perhaps one of the most powerful talking points a country can use to argue for independence and rejection of the WHO’s pandemic treaty

takecontrol.substack.com

The Great COVID Death Coverup

By early April 2020, doctors were already questioning the use of this medical strategy to help COVID-19 patients, but their concerns fell on deaf ears.
takecontrol.substack.com takecontrol.substack.com
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I remind you that Dr mercola is an osteopath who has made hundreds of millions from selling vitamin supplements with very little evidence base. He has not worked in an acute hospital in his life. He has not anaesthetistised or ventilated a patient in his life.

I have stated before that yes it turned out that early ventilation didn't increase survival. Which is why it became a last resort. We would convince people to stay awake when they were begging to be sedated. Unfortunately oxygen saturations of 70 with 100% oxygen and maximum CPAP pressures means you WILL die unless you are ventilated. You will probably die after being ventilated as well but I think I'd like the chance. Some patients decided against and they died. That is also fine, their choice. Some were not given the option of ventilation because it was essentially impossible for them to survive either way.
 
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