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Oh my, I just found this thread at the right time!
The result of a mineral test analysis has just arrived, and my calcium levels were so high that they literally blew off the chart. :/ I have been wondering how has this happened? It now makes sense, the water here is very, very hard.
Coincidentally, I bought my first water filter yesterday. A simple one, of activated charcoal, mainly something transitional before getting a reversed osmosis filter. But after reading this thread, I might just get a distiller... It was really enlightening to read the differences between water filterers.
Something interesting to notice, since yesterday's purchase, the water tastes so good (compared to what I have been drinking all these years) that I have since drunk several liters, which is unusual for me. It almost feels that my body has been craving for clean water all this time.
Laura said:
The result of a mineral test analysis has just arrived, and my calcium levels were so high that they literally blew off the chart. :/ I have been wondering how has this happened? It now makes sense, the water here is very, very hard.
Coincidentally, I bought my first water filter yesterday. A simple one, of activated charcoal, mainly something transitional before getting a reversed osmosis filter. But after reading this thread, I might just get a distiller... It was really enlightening to read the differences between water filterers.
Something interesting to notice, since yesterday's purchase, the water tastes so good (compared to what I have been drinking all these years) that I have since drunk several liters, which is unusual for me. It almost feels that my body has been craving for clean water all this time.
Thanks for that Perceval. Very useful tip.Perceval said:
Thomas Alan
The Living Force
I've purchased distilled water from a local distilling company for a long time. Recently I became concerned about storing this water in plastic bottles. The bottles this company provides are clear plastic with #7 printed on the bottom. I was using other plastic bottles with various number designations.
Recently I switched to all glass bottles. I bought some 1 gallon glass bottles rather cheaply from a wine making shop. They are heavier for sure and more care is needed in transport but the water tastes much cleaner, and fresher.
Mac
Recently I switched to all glass bottles. I bought some 1 gallon glass bottles rather cheaply from a wine making shop. They are heavier for sure and more care is needed in transport but the water tastes much cleaner, and fresher.
Mac
Thomas Alan
The Living Force
Belibaste said:
Hi, Belibaste: Yes, so I discovered in my research. I've been a little apprehensive about bringing my glass bottles in to fill at their place, since their entire business depends on their #7 plastic bottles.
We'll see how it goes.The small distillers shown in the posts above are intriguing, though. Would save trips if they work well. Questions to research, how much electricity do they use, how much work to clean and maintain.
Mac
Mac said:
FWIW,
I use this machine:
waterwise 4000 said:
but there are other alternatives available, also in the costs, it depends where you live. For example in America are these machines cheaper than in Europe.
And for a single household it's quiet affordable, every two days I'm using this machine (producing the water for drinking and cooking). Another filter-system, carbon for example you get much more water out of it in a shorter time.
For the cleaning side, if you don't let the water "burn" down like in the picture below can be seen, it's quiet helpfull to leave a rest of undistilled water in the machine (switch of the machine before it is finished). Put some winegar with tabwater in it, leave it a while and rub the chalk with your hands away (the vinegar does the main work). So there is some afford needed for maintaining. ;)
Belibaste said:
Oh yeah, I used till today a container with this description for my distiller :(. The best way is to go for glass, or to look for further details of the specific container.
To distil or not to distil; this week stopped at the local water company to explore options for water. The owner, much to my surprise, had no knowledge of some of the things discussed here. He was particularly fixated on Reverse Osmosis and that was not what my interest was. Asked if he had any Distillers, which he then produced a product from the back room – 5 litre capacity and looks exactly like the one Linked by thinker (third one shown for $169.00);
http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=12588.msg90128#msg90128
This is the only one they had and he said it was a popular brand. Checked the plastic in container and it was indeed demarcated # 7 plastic which was also discussed in the threads here.
Wanting to explore further i then followed the post by Trevrizent, http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=12588.msg136889#msg136889 whereby an article by Dr Rodger Murphree was discussed and within was the link to http://www.magicwaterinfo.com/ and the Kangan Water machine with many videos that were impressive.
Then went back to read a Post by Psyche, which brought me back to just the plain old distiller concept, although for washing vegetables/fruit and other applications the Kangan system was interesting but it is not distilled and also, at least on the web site Country of sale listing, sells for $600.00 unless purchased by someone in the representative chain. One of the things that was impressive was how different Ph values settings on this device help one to assimilate supplements into the body much more efficiently then when taken with water in general.
However, here is the Post by Psyche and quote;
http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=12588.msg136889#msg136889
Some people here have purchased different systems, in the final analysis, is the garden variety stainless steel lined distiller with glass bottle the way to go?
Is there something that I am not seeing or should one, if spending dollars take a serious look at this Kagan machine?
Thanks in advance for the help here! :)
http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=12588.msg90128#msg90128
This is the only one they had and he said it was a popular brand. Checked the plastic in container and it was indeed demarcated # 7 plastic which was also discussed in the threads here.
Wanting to explore further i then followed the post by Trevrizent, http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=12588.msg136889#msg136889 whereby an article by Dr Rodger Murphree was discussed and within was the link to http://www.magicwaterinfo.com/ and the Kangan Water machine with many videos that were impressive.
Then went back to read a Post by Psyche, which brought me back to just the plain old distiller concept, although for washing vegetables/fruit and other applications the Kangan system was interesting but it is not distilled and also, at least on the web site Country of sale listing, sells for $600.00 unless purchased by someone in the representative chain. One of the things that was impressive was how different Ph values settings on this device help one to assimilate supplements into the body much more efficiently then when taken with water in general.
However, here is the Post by Psyche and quote;
http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=12588.msg136889#msg136889
Psyche said:
Some people here have purchased different systems, in the final analysis, is the garden variety stainless steel lined distiller with glass bottle the way to go?
Is there something that I am not seeing or should one, if spending dollars take a serious look at this Kagan machine?
Thanks in advance for the help here! :)
Hey Parallax, I have that distiller from a1 distillers. I haven't been able to find a glass gallon container to fit it, so I've been using a half gallon pitcher. I think they sell the gallon jugs for $50, but I haven't been satisfied enough to shell that out. My distiller takes about two hours or more to make that half gallon. It's the 3.5 hr model, so it shouldn't take 2 hours to distill half a gallon. Maybe they sent me the 5 hour one. Well, I thought I'd share that. I'm just not very satisfied with my experiences, maybe others have experienced otherwise.
Last I spent some time looking at the pros and cons of various water purification systems, at the time I was using a Brita filtration system. One of the systems that I investigated was distillation: the jury seemed to be out on the benefits of such a system. However, I went ahead and bought one and use it for about a month (it did have a glass collector), however one problem I had with the system was a random water leakage from the carbon filter placed at the end of the process, before exiting into the collector spout. It would be alright at the beginning of the cycle, then leak before resealing itself for the rest of the cycle. Also, I spoke to Mark at Get-Fitt about distilled water and had his doubts about its use, because of the ionisation and pH problems.
I then explored using salt crystals (specifically Sole) and in the process bought the book ‘Water and Salt. The Essence of Life’ by Dr. med. Barabara Hendel and Peter Ferreira, the reading of which was quite revealing. Quoting on the Chapter The Water – the Pillar of Life, and specifically the sub-headings of The Quality of our water and The Processing of Water.
It was this revelation of ‘lack of structure’ and ‘aggressive water’ that led me back to using filtered water and revitalizing that water with quartz crystals, with the distiller relegated to the cupboard, practically unused, to get back to something approaching ‘living water’.
I know this view is somewhat different from many other members of the forum, yet it is what I have arrived at rationally as the approach for me to use. If I had the choice I would probably opt for a reverse osmosis device rather than use the Brita filter.
I then explored using salt crystals (specifically Sole) and in the process bought the book ‘Water and Salt. The Essence of Life’ by Dr. med. Barabara Hendel and Peter Ferreira, the reading of which was quite revealing. Quoting on the Chapter The Water – the Pillar of Life, and specifically the sub-headings of The Quality of our water and The Processing of Water.
It was this revelation of ‘lack of structure’ and ‘aggressive water’ that led me back to using filtered water and revitalizing that water with quartz crystals, with the distiller relegated to the cupboard, practically unused, to get back to something approaching ‘living water’.
I know this view is somewhat different from many other members of the forum, yet it is what I have arrived at rationally as the approach for me to use. If I had the choice I would probably opt for a reverse osmosis device rather than use the Brita filter.
Wow these things are eye-wateringly expensive - looks like it is about $8,000
Was just about to Post this last night and my faithful web server shut me out again. 
Ok, appreciate your responses, both you 3D and Trevrizent seem to have had issues with the distillers and the ancillary information Trevrizent by Dr. Barabara Hendel and Peter Ferreira was most interesting and similar to Viktor Schauberger’s thinking.
It seems clear that distillers remove minerals which are beneficial (also discussed elsewhere on the forum), but it also destroys structure; however the discussion about it being “Aggressive” needs to be given more thought. It also is clear that reverse osmosis has benefits too.
Do you recall what was said about the pH in particular? Did you ever test your distilled pH; not sure yet what this looks like in terms of an average value, suppose this is influenced by what the initial readings where prior to distilling.
Glad you are trying out the crystallized water, hope to hear more on this as you discover.
Think a lot more reasoning/reading is going to be involved before rushing into a system for such a fundamentally important fluid that we require for good physicality and to help detoxifying impurities out. Not sure if perhaps different waters e.g. distilled (aggressive) sometimes, intermixed with other regimes should be considered or just adding substances as Psyche suggested; changing the aggressive nature (influence) would be best?
Will post again as information is revaluated; Thanks to Flashgordonv for information on the Kagan being in 20% of Japanese homes; yes it is very expensive, rechecked the order forum in large font and it says $600 which was the 15% restocking charge – good grief.
Also, revisiting the transcript;
There has been some discussion here in the Forum about Heavy water, the chemical composition translation from the transcript, and what constitutes this. In thinking about this there is also the literal translation for heavy as being dense, so in this light, as has been described by Schauberger, that water is densest at 4 degrees Celsius or 39F.
Also, something else that seems odd and I do not know if this was verbatim from one of his books, which I do not have or someone added it to the statement seemingly quoted from Schauberger; here is the article ‘Liquid Memory, Do We Really Know Water?’ located as follows;
http://www.frank.germano.com/viktorschauberger_2.htm
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Bold emphasis mine.
When thinking about this statement of his, he at the time did not have the tools of science to study the biological human and what the various states of water do; obviously his statements must have been made via his observations or some other way; maybe he thought about it being void of minerals was the problem? It seems that from what one reads distilled water acts very well as a carrier, diffuser of substances allowing them to enter the body well.
So will end this here for now being still confused and look at this a little deeper; however to add something more, something of the properties of distilled water, here is a link to a very short thing about water and “Ice Spikes” which is only possible apparently with distilled water.
http://www.neatorama.com/2008/08/22/5-really-weird-things-about-water/
Ice Spikes
Ok, appreciate your responses, both you 3D and Trevrizent seem to have had issues with the distillers and the ancillary information Trevrizent by Dr. Barabara Hendel and Peter Ferreira was most interesting and similar to Viktor Schauberger’s thinking.
It seems clear that distillers remove minerals which are beneficial (also discussed elsewhere on the forum), but it also destroys structure; however the discussion about it being “Aggressive” needs to be given more thought. It also is clear that reverse osmosis has benefits too.
Trevrizent said:
Do you recall what was said about the pH in particular? Did you ever test your distilled pH; not sure yet what this looks like in terms of an average value, suppose this is influenced by what the initial readings where prior to distilling.
Glad you are trying out the crystallized water, hope to hear more on this as you discover.
Think a lot more reasoning/reading is going to be involved before rushing into a system for such a fundamentally important fluid that we require for good physicality and to help detoxifying impurities out. Not sure if perhaps different waters e.g. distilled (aggressive) sometimes, intermixed with other regimes should be considered or just adding substances as Psyche suggested; changing the aggressive nature (influence) would be best?
Will post again as information is revaluated; Thanks to Flashgordonv for information on the Kagan being in 20% of Japanese homes; yes it is very expensive, rechecked the order forum in large font and it says $600 which was the 15% restocking charge – good grief.
Also, revisiting the transcript;
971122 said:
There has been some discussion here in the Forum about Heavy water, the chemical composition translation from the transcript, and what constitutes this. In thinking about this there is also the literal translation for heavy as being dense, so in this light, as has been described by Schauberger, that water is densest at 4 degrees Celsius or 39F.
Also, something else that seems odd and I do not know if this was verbatim from one of his books, which I do not have or someone added it to the statement seemingly quoted from Schauberger; here is the article ‘Liquid Memory, Do We Really Know Water?’ located as follows;
http://www.frank.germano.com/viktorschauberger_2.htm
•
Bold emphasis mine.
When thinking about this statement of his, he at the time did not have the tools of science to study the biological human and what the various states of water do; obviously his statements must have been made via his observations or some other way; maybe he thought about it being void of minerals was the problem? It seems that from what one reads distilled water acts very well as a carrier, diffuser of substances allowing them to enter the body well.
So will end this here for now being still confused and look at this a little deeper; however to add something more, something of the properties of distilled water, here is a link to a very short thing about water and “Ice Spikes” which is only possible apparently with distilled water.
http://www.neatorama.com/2008/08/22/5-really-weird-things-about-water/
Ice Spikes
I've been drinking distilled water for over a month now. I thought as long as you take a multivitamin and balance the Ph it's ok for you. I've thought about reverse osmosis, which seems a lot more practical than my counter top distiller, but it seems expensive to waste 6+ gallons of water for one clean gallon. Our water bills have risen recently and my mom said she didn't like the idea of the wasted water. There are large stand up distillers that look like barbecue grills though.
After reading information on the alternatives of drinking water and going through most of this thread, I was pretty much convinced that Distilled Water was the way to go until I had read the article recently posted by Trevrizent.
What to do, what to do. It seems that RO will use up quite a lot of tap water, and being in a similar situation as 3D Student, I'm under constraints from my mom who will go ballistic if I use 6 gallons of water for one clean gallon. They are still under the impression that fluoride is good for you, and not too happy as it is about the fact that I started purchasing distilled water that come in giant plastic jugs, which have harmful chemicals in themselves. It seems some how, some way I'm ingesting something that is harmful.
I'm thinking the possible best solution for me as of now would be to purchase the Natural Spring Water Jugs at the Supermarket, transfer them immediately to glass containers upon opening, and using quartz crystal to 'purify' the water I'm going to drink each day. Does this seem reasonable? If so, Trevrizent, I'm curious how much quartz crystal you use in regards to water and how often do you have to replace the quartz crystal?
What to do, what to do. It seems that RO will use up quite a lot of tap water, and being in a similar situation as 3D Student, I'm under constraints from my mom who will go ballistic if I use 6 gallons of water for one clean gallon. They are still under the impression that fluoride is good for you, and not too happy as it is about the fact that I started purchasing distilled water that come in giant plastic jugs, which have harmful chemicals in themselves. It seems some how, some way I'm ingesting something that is harmful.
Bringers of the Dawn said:
I'm thinking the possible best solution for me as of now would be to purchase the Natural Spring Water Jugs at the Supermarket, transfer them immediately to glass containers upon opening, and using quartz crystal to 'purify' the water I'm going to drink each day. Does this seem reasonable? If so, Trevrizent, I'm curious how much quartz crystal you use in regards to water and how often do you have to replace the quartz crystal?
3D Student said:
Yes from most posts on the forum, multivitamins and balancing pH seems to be the way to go, many say they do well with it. Have been drinking distilled water from plastic bottles on and off and this is why such curiosity to look to a good system to purchase. Using up potable water 6:1 is not something that would go over well in our house too - water wise as your mom said.
Have to say, without full comprehension of the properties of water and there is so many interesting things said, the Schauberger comment about distilled water really through me off and am trying to comprehend why he said what he said.