Session Date: August 5th 2017
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Q: (L) I want to ask about Venezuela. This poor guy that came along after Chavez died, he's really having a rough time. It looks like the CIA has got a program going on down there. I guess what I want to ask is: Is what is happening there now - I mean this recent voting process - truly reflective of the majority of Venezuelans?
A: Close. It is similar to the election of Trump.
Q: (L) So in other words, it's a majority, but there may still be a lot of people there that... I mean, I wouldn't say that Trump has an overwhelming majority, but he has a majority. It seems like what they're doing to this Maduro guy is very similar to what they're trying to do to Trump. That makes it highly ironic that Trump himself is condemning Venezuela and Maduro, who is his own mirror image in a different country.
A: Yes, but Trump does not have a lot of freedom lately!
Q: (Pierre) So they mean that even if he would like to support Maduro because he doesn't have this freedom because there's so much pressure.
A: Yes
Q: (Ark) Moreover, he is biased by the American media.
(L) Yeah. Well, but Trump was always against the US CIA going in and bombing other countries, or doing regime change. He made remarks and made it seem like he was aware that Ukraine was a US covert Op and that Russia had nothing to do with it. So, surely he would be able to see the same thing about Venezuela? Even now, he's had to moderate his rhetoric about Russia even though it was very different before the election. The thing is, people elected him based on his rhetoric while he was campaigning, and now he's having to backtrack on so many things.
(Pierre) What can he do?
(L) Congress goes on a break and just before they do, they unanimously vote that Trump can't do what every other president has done, which is recess appointments!
(Pierre) He's powerless. He cannot stop the sanctions against Russia.
(L) I mean, all the freedoms that George Bush and Clinton had, and Obama had; they acted without congressional approval all over the place and nobody batted an eye... because of course they were playing the Deep State game.
(Ark) Can't he dissolve the Congress like the president can do with parliament in every other country?
(L) No.
(Niall) Not in America, no.
(L) Congress is a third equal power.
(Joe) A check against the power of the president. In theory.
(L) It's like the Roman consuls couldn't dissolve the senate.
(Pierre) Even if he could dissolve, I think there were only 5 congressmen who voted against.
(L) I think there's only 3.
(Joe) Trump's rhetoric before the election was about bringing jobs to America and helping people, and I think he was fairly honest. He's a businessman, and his ideology is good business. He sees all these good business deals that America can do around the world. But he's fighting against the rest of the establishment who are all these politicians. He's an outsider. All these establishment politicians are America Firsters in a completely different sense. Their ideology is “America Before Everybody Else”. Particularly now, it's Russia Last. Their primary focus is Russia and China LAST. But the first thing to observe is that, before any potential business deals they could do, they're willing to shoot themselves in the foot businesswise, to make sure Russia does not rise and have good business deals too. And that's totally at odds with what Trump wants to do because he sees all these good business deals going to waste because of this ridiculous anti-Russian America First exceptionalism ideology that these people are aligned with...
(L) Not only that, in foreign policy, he was asking why we're fighting wars; he was all about bringing troops home, working on infrastructure, really “make America great” in all the ways that count to the people. But then, the first thing he does, he starts buying the generals. So it's like, either he thinks he has some really super-clever strategy, but it doesn't seem to be working at all...
A: We said he would "try", but succeed? Not likely.
Q: (L) What are the chances of him being impeached?
A: Even.
Q: (L) Um, assassinated?
A: More likely a convenient death due to stress factors.
Q: (L) Like a heart attack or something. {Like Chavez and his cancer?}
(Niall) Is the USA on the verge of revolution?
A: Close.
Q: (Niall) Close to a revolution, or...
(L) Close to the verge of a revolution, which is like a step away. I'm noticing more and more on Twitter that people are talking about revolution. It started probably a week ago, and I'm not sure what exactly triggered it, but something did.
(Pierre) I think what triggered it is that it seemed lately that there's been such an accumulation of lies and injustice. You really have to be blind to be in the US and not to see what's going on. And that's one of the great virtues of Trump I think. Even if he failed to reach the goals he had defined, he has tremendously exposed how corrupt the media and politics and Deep State are.
(Joe) Potentially, he's exposed the reality of the Deep State to a lot of people and shown that there's a power behind the throne, and always has been.
(L) If there's anybody in the US who doesn't know how corrupt and how evil the media and politics is by now, they must be living in the backwoods with no radio, TV, or contact with the outside world.
(Joe) The most frustrating thing about it is that all these people who are anti-Trump and who are dismissing everything he says or everything he might have exposed like in terms of a power behind the throne, they dismiss all that because they don't like HIM.
(L) It's personal.
(Joe) Yeah, it's personal. So there are so many people who just don't believe anything he says about the media, and about Congress, and all the hints he's making that basically he's being screwed over by some other power... They're just laughing at him because they started out at the beginning just hating him: Not My President! Ya know? I dunno how many people are like that, but there are a lot of people just missing the whole lesson and the whole opportunity to see all that.
(L) That's exactly what they did in the Ukraine. Drove the elected president out, and then the CIA came in and took over.
(Joe) And you see what happened afterwards. If that's what happens in America...
(L) So they're trying to drive him out, so... It's just a real ugly situation right now, and I dunno how smart Trump is. I dunno what kind of advisors he's got. I know he ought to get rid of that son-in-law. Well, he can't do anything! The only thing he COULD do would be to call on the people to start a revolution.
A: Yes
Q: (Pierre) His only allies are among the people. Among the elite, he's...
(L) They're ALL corrupt.
(Pierre) And they're all against him.
(Joe) Everything that has been done has been designed to discredit him and make him look incompetent in the eyes of as many people as possible. And it's worked.
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