The Wolf of Wall Street; film

lilyalic

lilyalic

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In basics; this film is just a psychopathic community creating more psychopaths, in an extremely clever way! Ofcourse it's upon the subject of the wall street crash, I'd say this is one of the best films about it to show the true psychopathic side.

The most important thing on a stock-brokers list is to make as much money as they can, no matter what the consequences are or whom they are 'having off'.

Here's the trailer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iszwuX1AK6A

If you do watch it, trust me you'll feel disgusted at some points!
 
lilyalic said:
If you do watch it, trust me you'll feel disgusted at some points!
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There is some drama went on regarding making this movie Oscar contender during the first week of its release. It looks some Oscar board members disgusted with the movie, while others seems to be favoring. It may even get some Oscars, as this movie dumps the blame on some reckless bad apple for wall street plunder instead of systematic hierarchical manipulation. In any case, movie grossed more than it usually gets due to this hype.
 
I've seen it & it's an orgy of predators in glossy hi-definition. The real story is always going to be worse, this movie though, is quite something. Leonardo DiCaprio's portrayal of the "wolf" is to make him seem as just a young up-and-coming broker who "fell" on hard times (he didn't) & by luck (his first wife found the job advertisement) he took over a small penny stock firm & made millions. It's the most accurate (currently I believe) example of the modern normalization of psychopathy on film, & I don't want to give a proper review of such a story but I have to say, the hype for this ("Oscar season") shows how people get swept up in such a pathological maelstrom.

One movie critic had an issue with the movie due to his inability to care for the lead "character" & nothing more, which is understandable, but his reasoning I feel, was off. He & others gave kudos to other movies that contained clear pathological individuals all throughout because they had an "entrance" into the characters, that they had "charm" etc. :rolleyes:

Ok, so here's what the movie is like. Seen "Goodfellas?", "Wall Street?", "Boiler Room?" Ok. All of those had a clear dark edge to them... except for the ever-popular "Goodfellas." Which is why this movie is the one that is likened to it & for less critical minds, (and all that that entails) it was a hoot & a riot filled with loveable anti-heroes. I think that this movie is insidious compared with the "wise-guy" classic as that one at least, was obvious. Impulsivity, womanizing, & all the rest that's wrapped up in the nostalgia of an age where mere mortals were "sticking it to the man" by grouping together & taking what they deserved, not to "die like a schmuck" like their parents or whoever. Robbery, arson, murder, in a "swinging sixties" kind of feel.

And that's exactly how this movie operates. Using the more memorable & most enjoyed scenes from the above, it basically extends that... for almost three hours. Crazy huh? I kid you not, he whips his cohorts into a frenzy at times, reminiscent of Hitler speeches at those mind-warping rallies that the Nazis held. All to get his employees to swindle as much money from people in one working day, I'm telling you he was holding sermons in front of them with a microphone & everything. Barely half-way into the movie they all love him (except for his wife who he ditched & the FBI) & would do anything for him. The weirdest point was when (i'm assuming here, as my attention waned due to the excess of it all) the firm made so much money in one day, a half-naked marching band burst out of nowhere & everyone went berserk. That was actually a recurring theme, no one seemed to do any "work", it was like a crazed fraternity house party all the time. Very strange.

In short, a raggedy group of friends made a get-rich scheme, got rich & everyday was a rampant narcissistic, money-grabbing/swindling, drug-fuelled alcohol-laden orgy. One newscaster said it was "the great Gatsby" but funny. I haven't seen that flick, but I know it's another orgy of voracious avarice. Throw in a deranged mind & you could call it a modern Caligula.
 
I saw the movie and yes, it's a psicopath portrait from anywhere you might look at it.however, my point of view about it may be different than what other forum members had share.For me, those kind of portraits are necessary why? Because it let us know how the "other side" operates..let me explain myself:
4 years ago I was living in my hometown in Costa Rica, if you need to know something about Costa Rica is this: we do not have an army.We are a really peacefull culture who put first family, happiness and chilling out.We keep out nature as pristine as we can, and because we are so small we are really concerned with things like other people and how they feel.Im not trying to get tourism over there lol but to put you guys in context on how might someone felt when moving from a place like that to Los Angeles.That was my history.I ended up living in Los Angeles area, I remember that the first thought I had about LA was that if "God" should noke a place on earth it will be definitely LA.
Now, what's the relation? I must say LA opened my eyes in so many ways..I lived really scary times and saw some much, so many dark places that I ll probably have never saw in my hometown.Living day a day next to so many portals, psicos and trying to keep my light bright while everyone around were just feeding on it.I don't regret it at all, because to understand hot one most have had cold.One have to experienced it.
That's why I think we need those movies, we need those mirrors of our society to open the eyes, to stop thinking everyone around is cool and wants our best.We need to understand how they operate, how they think..not to follow then but to stop being their food in so many levels.Thats the meaning, for me, of how knowledge set us free.

*sorry for the grammar I'm a Spanish speaker :-[
 
elle said:
*sorry for the grammar I'm a Spanish speaker :-[
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It's alright, the post is clear. Grammar will improve little by little through practice ;)
 
What I got from the this movie is that the underlying message is "screw people over! you won't have to pay" or at least, not as they should. Psychopathic to say the least. The portrait of out-of-control excesses are just baiting people into thinking that that lifestyle is aspirational. Disgusting.
 
I saw it yesterday and I must say discussing.

Navigator said:
What I got from the this movie is that the underlying message is "screw people over! you won't have to pay" or at least, not as they should. Psychopathic to say the least. The portrait of out-of-control excesses are just baiting people into thinking that that lifestyle is aspirational. Disgusting.
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I second that.

Also I had a feeling watching this, I lost time. Also I felt something strange, hard to describe. Like an underling message or some sort of.
 
H-kqge said:
I've seen it & it's an orgy of predators in glossy hi-definition.
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That's so true, that's how it felt when I was watching it. It'd be true to say that those who were observed watching it and were totally oblivious to the obvious under-lying messages, enjoying the film, laughing at the most serious parts could potentially have parts of themselves that would love to be that way, would enjoy that life.

elle said:
That's why I think we need those movies, we need those mirrors of our society to open the eyes, to stop thinking everyone around is cool and wants our best.We need to understand how they operate, how they think..not to follow then but to stop being their food in so many levels.Thats the meaning, for me, of how knowledge set us free.

*sorry for the grammar I'm a Spanish speaker :-[
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I don't agree with the 'needing' these movies, but I understand where you are coming from. If people where to notice that films like this symbolise the psychopaths in our society, and even see them traits in our governments, politicians etc, then it would be a very useful film in terms of awakening and mirroring.
I thought your grammar was rather well considering :)
 
Alana said:
I trust you, I knew of this film from these two sort articles, and I think I got the picture, so I'll pass on the movie:

My life working for the real 'Wolf of Wall Street'
An open letter to the makers of The Wolf of Wall Street, and the wolf himself
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Me too,after reading the article on Sott.net : An open letter to the makers of The Wolf of Wall Street, and the wolf himself ,i decided to not watch the movie ,indeed Martin Scorsese and Leonardo Di Caprio made this movie not with the intention of showing the atrocities ,scams of those wolfs who have ruined many people but with intention of glorifying such a pathological behaviour.
 
Besides the money hungry psychopaths. I felt awkward for about 80% of the movie. Too much nudity, miss treatment of people/women, awkward sex scenes. To me it seemed like a soft core porn. Thank god I didn't see it with a relative or first date that would have been awkward :-[
 
Watched the movie.... psycho glorification made to appear normal and desirable. Leonardo played the role well.

In a way it wasn't even about him, it was about the culture he represented. In the end, you have to ask yourself what is important.

You can go all out, satisfy your every whim, live like this is the only life, you are the only one that matters and that life is about maximizing your own enjoyment which essentially is, be as rich as possible, have as much power as possible, sleep with as many women as possible, feel as good as you can (drugs) etc... or maybe, I guess, you can do something different..

This movie deviates from reality in that even though most people would want the sort of life depicted by leornado, they can't have it as the system has made the majority slaves not to mention the majority are burdened by their consciences. All they can have is the promise to try and maybe they can succeed one day.

I have to say, how women were treated in this movie, well, it was quite something. Forget even about how they made the money... how they treated women, how the women were depicted... wow
 
I need to add that this is real, no just a movie.This is our society..I know people like that, who benefit from whoever they have the opportunity, who use women as mere objets to satisfy themselves, and women who believe it's worth being treated like that in exchange of glossy brand products.We can't close our eyes to this reality.However, I agree with the statement that the movie do not open a questioning frame but create an inner desire to live " la vida loca".Very disturbing indeed.
 
Andrian said:
,i decided to not watch the movie ,indeed Martin Scorsese and Leonardo Di Caprio made this movie not with the intention of showing the atrocities ,scams of those wolfs who have ruined many people but with intention of glorifying such a pathological behaviour.
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Yup. That's what Scorsese usually does, doesn't he? Many (most?) of his movies are about people who are either crazy, violent, psychopathic or all three.
The most shocking thing for me is that this movie is not a fiction: we actually live in a world where people like Jordan Belfort do all this and then become motivational speakers...
 
I saw that movie. It's really a twisted world with twisted people. The way it has been produced also makes me think it's another attempt to normalize psychopathy and even make people desire to live such a life. There was virtually no attempt whatsoever to portray all the suffering and misery they have caused and all the victims who have been riped-off to the last penny.

This reminds me of a job I had as a salesman. I'm pretty sure my former boss is a psychopath himself. He was extremely narcissistic, charming, extremely convincing/manipulative and didn't show any real form of empathy (or any other emotion for the matter except for excitement at the thought of making more money). He didn't care about clients; it was all about taking their money, and if they refused, they were considered cheap, greedy a-holes. He was truly glorified by the employees and seen as a sort of hero who became a millionaire after only 5 years of creating his company and that could make other people rich. My grandmother had passed away during that period and nobody cared. They rather considered that I was weak because I wasn't able to act just ''normal'' (happy and motivated) despite the intense sadness I was feeling.

Needless to say, I quit after 3-4 weeks. I just couldn't handle it. The vibes in the office were truly ''evil'' for a lack of better term. Despite all the cheering and excitement, it felt colder than Antarctica. I truly felt like I was stuck with another species. It made me feel terribly anxious and uncomfortable. I felt as if all my energy was being sucked by these greedy suit-wearing vampires on a daily basis.

Watching this movie made me think about that and quite frankly, the style of life depicted in it is nothing short of repulsive and disgusting to my eyes. :mad:
 
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