Bluelamp said:Approaching Infinity said:Laura said:Hopefully we'll be able to find some corresponding terms and descriptions in Collingwood and possibly elsewhere. Perhaps Gurdjieff's idea of bankruptcy can serve temporarily for the "struck" part?
I think that's a part of it. Collingwood describes how each mode of thought - e.g., art, religion, science - has an error built into it that is transcended by the next level of thought. I think bankruptcy can apply to each of those modes - the experience of the limits of your mode of thought/way of life, as the illusion comes crashing down. I'd just say at this point that the bankruptcy seems to me to be the state that allows or facilitates the "strike". It's the opening, but something else has to "come in". So maybe we can also think of it in terms of B and C influences. The "influence from above" can take the form of insight/inspiration/channeling/a book/a teacher. But the ground has to be prepared, as in bankruptcy. And maybe what comes into us can be thought of in terms of a "higher truth", a higher level of information that re-organizes us and our thinking/feeling/acting.
I think sometimes the initial shock (to use another Gurdjieff term) can be more of a WOW (like first seeing this forum) and the bankruptcy could be more of a being slowly cooked (to borrow a Cs phrase) thing that happens after the initial shock though you can get just as down on yourself (even more so because after something like this forum, you think you have zero excuses for not being better).
Thinking about it some more, there has to be an element of being "struck" even in bankruptcy, because it's a new experience and prompts a new valuation of your life. Otherwise, people would just habituate, and nothing new would enter into consciousness. (The Cypher example from DBZ is a good one for that.) To use Collingwood again, I think maybe bankruptcy is something akin to the "aesthetic consciousness" of being struck from above. There isn't necessarily any clear content, just the immediate sense that things have gone WRONG - the symphony of your life has gotten messed up, the notes are wrong, the instruments are out of tune. And that sense that things are wrong can only happen if there is some aspect of consciousness that can discern the wrongness - a yardstick of wrongness and rightness.
So yeah, "shocks" and "bankruptcy" fit in here. Religious imagery can guide the process and provide material with which to reorganize the self - but it remains mysterious and vague. Science and philosophy can approach a more objective picture of what is actually happening.