mugatea
Jedi Master
hi, I'm a member of another forum and there is this guy who is a racist, homophobic etc. Basicly if your not white, proddy/christian, straight, british, conservative etc, then your one of 'them' and a threat. I'm sure you know the type. Now he posts quite a lot of hate filled crap drumming up 'debates' etc and (he's a smart lad) promoting his own ideologies. He's backed up by some loyal friends and others who dont agree with him usually dont have the knowledge or writing ability to challenge the guy, so he spends a lot of the time sprouting his crap and promoting it pretty much unchallenged. When he's not posting stuff like that he is posting jokes and telling funny stories so with one hand he makes friends thru humour and then 'BAM' some post about some voiceless group responsible for our ills etc, but does in a calm and 'reasonable' way if you know what I mean.
Anyway let me put up some quotes of his so you get the idea. About homosexuality.
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"Blind/deaf people are not second class citizens and they have an even more alarming deficiency.
I don't think homosexuals should be made to be second class citizens - however, I don't think thier condition should be celebrated and made for perhaps vounerable, weak, children to think it's an alternative lifestyle for them - as extreme and as unlikely as that may sound. "
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"I'm going to play devils advocate here.
If you have nothing against them, then what's so wrong with letting your kids learn about them and thier ways?
It's kinda like when you call someone gay as an insult and the person you say it to regards it as an insult, yet the same person thinks homosexualty is ok on the other hand.
Then why did they get offended? if there's nothing wrong with being gay?
If you know what i mean? "
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"You sat there and told me I was being harsh saying what these people are born with is a hormonal defect.
I even made the point about there being research clinics set up and funded to help put these genes right, the same way other defects are and how the doctors and scientists would get labeled nazis. "
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I remember a couple of years ago all sorts of people got upset at the very notion of this being a gene/hormonal deficiency instead of the assumed belief that there's 2 natural born sexualitys - straight & gay.
I am delighted with this.
I must admit to feeling sorry for the gay people who feel ashamed and unhappy about the way they are. I really do feel for them.
I am still proud, however, that the country and state does not recognise same sex marriges and there are all sorts of restrictions on same sex couples adopting.
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Anyway, I feel uncomfortable with it, I think it's wrong so I was gonna post a reply. I had a good look on the SOTT's search about homosexuality. And have written this as a reply but would like some feed back before hand.
"Why do people even care what gay people do privately in their own homes? I'm not disgusted by gay sex, I dont even think about it. It's none of my business nor my place to judge what a couple (hetero or otherwise) get upto, whether it's genetic, hormonal or a chosen lifestyle that lies behind their and our own sexual preferences.
I dont understand why people would want it outlawed, cause the problem doesnt lie with gays it lies with people who are intolerant to gays.
As for what makes people gay, reports show that genetics and environmental factors (which are specific to an individual, and may include biological processes such as different hormone exposure in the womb), are important determinants of homosexual behavior. There seems to be no single gay gene or a single environmental variable that could be used to select out homosexuality. And we are not simply talking about homosexuality here - heterosexual behavior is also influenced by a mixture of genetic and environmental factors.
Men become gay or straight because of different developmental pathways, not just one pathway.
Anyway, it seems to me that there are growing segments in society that are behaving like they are under threat, backs to the wall and fists up, and all that. An 'us' vs 'them' world view. White, proddy/christian, british, conservative, straight and racists fighting for survival."
It's pretty lame reply, so any advice would be nice.
Jamie
Anyway let me put up some quotes of his so you get the idea. About homosexuality.
*************
"Blind/deaf people are not second class citizens and they have an even more alarming deficiency.
I don't think homosexuals should be made to be second class citizens - however, I don't think thier condition should be celebrated and made for perhaps vounerable, weak, children to think it's an alternative lifestyle for them - as extreme and as unlikely as that may sound. "
*******
"I'm going to play devils advocate here.
If you have nothing against them, then what's so wrong with letting your kids learn about them and thier ways?
It's kinda like when you call someone gay as an insult and the person you say it to regards it as an insult, yet the same person thinks homosexualty is ok on the other hand.
Then why did they get offended? if there's nothing wrong with being gay?
If you know what i mean? "
************
"You sat there and told me I was being harsh saying what these people are born with is a hormonal defect.
I even made the point about there being research clinics set up and funded to help put these genes right, the same way other defects are and how the doctors and scientists would get labeled nazis. "
*********
I remember a couple of years ago all sorts of people got upset at the very notion of this being a gene/hormonal deficiency instead of the assumed belief that there's 2 natural born sexualitys - straight & gay.
I am delighted with this.
I must admit to feeling sorry for the gay people who feel ashamed and unhappy about the way they are. I really do feel for them.
I am still proud, however, that the country and state does not recognise same sex marriges and there are all sorts of restrictions on same sex couples adopting.
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Anyway, I feel uncomfortable with it, I think it's wrong so I was gonna post a reply. I had a good look on the SOTT's search about homosexuality. And have written this as a reply but would like some feed back before hand.
"Why do people even care what gay people do privately in their own homes? I'm not disgusted by gay sex, I dont even think about it. It's none of my business nor my place to judge what a couple (hetero or otherwise) get upto, whether it's genetic, hormonal or a chosen lifestyle that lies behind their and our own sexual preferences.
I dont understand why people would want it outlawed, cause the problem doesnt lie with gays it lies with people who are intolerant to gays.
As for what makes people gay, reports show that genetics and environmental factors (which are specific to an individual, and may include biological processes such as different hormone exposure in the womb), are important determinants of homosexual behavior. There seems to be no single gay gene or a single environmental variable that could be used to select out homosexuality. And we are not simply talking about homosexuality here - heterosexual behavior is also influenced by a mixture of genetic and environmental factors.
Men become gay or straight because of different developmental pathways, not just one pathway.
Anyway, it seems to me that there are growing segments in society that are behaving like they are under threat, backs to the wall and fists up, and all that. An 'us' vs 'them' world view. White, proddy/christian, british, conservative, straight and racists fighting for survival."
It's pretty lame reply, so any advice would be nice.
Jamie