Session 30 December 2023
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Emerald Rob
Jedi Council Member
9 rotated 180 degrees anticlockwise is 6 reversing clockwise is 9 --- just an observation !
Thought of the above when I saw the following video depicting the movements of the Palestinian population to avoid the rockets and bombings:
The incoming threats don't have to be rockets and bombs though, could take various forms.
I asked GPT-3.5 Turbo about combining Corinthians 13 and personal improvement. This is the answer:
Certainly! Drawing inspiration from Corinthians 13, also known as the "Love Chapter," we can reflect on how its principles can be applied to self-improvement and enhancing every aspect of oneself:
1. **Love is Patient**: In the journey of self-improvement, patience is key. Understand that personal growth takes time and effort. Be patient with yourself as you work towards becoming the best version of yourself.
2. **Love is Kind**: Show kindness and compassion towards yourself as you strive for self-improvement. Treat yourself with gentleness and understanding, just as you would treat a loved one.
3. **Love Does Not Envy**: Avoid comparing yourself to others in your self-improvement journey. Focus on your own progress and growth without being envious of others' achievements.
4. **Love Does Not Boast**: Stay humble and grounded as you work on improving yourself. Let your actions speak for themselves rather than seeking validation through boasting.
5. **Love is Not Proud**: Cultivate humility in your self-improvement efforts. Acknowledge your strengths and weaknesses, and be open to learning and growing from both.
6. **Love Does Not Dishonor Others**: Respect and honor yourself and others in your pursuit of self-improvement. Treat yourself and those around you with dignity and consideration.
7. **Love is Not Self-Seeking**: Focus on self-improvement for the sake of personal growth and well-being, rather than seeking validation or approval from others. Prioritize your own growth and development.
8. **Love is Not Easily Angered**: Practice emotional intelligence and self-control in your self-improvement journey. Manage your emotions effectively and respond to challenges with calmness and understanding.
9. **Love Keeps No Record of Wrongs**: Let go of past mistakes and setbacks as you work on improving yourself. Embrace forgiveness and move forward with a positive mindset.
10. **Love Always Protects, Always Trusts, Always Hopes, Always Perseveres**: Approach self-improvement with a mindset of protection, trust, hope, and perseverance. Believe in your ability to grow and evolve, and stay committed to your journey of self-improvement.
By integrating the principles of love and self-improvement, you can cultivate a positive and nurturing environment for personal growth and development. Embrace these values as you strive to enhance every aspect of yourself and create a fulfilling and meaningful life.
Certainly! Drawing inspiration from Corinthians 13, also known as the "Love Chapter," we can reflect on how its principles can be applied to self-improvement and enhancing every aspect of oneself:
1. **Love is Patient**: In the journey of self-improvement, patience is key. Understand that personal growth takes time and effort. Be patient with yourself as you work towards becoming the best version of yourself.
2. **Love is Kind**: Show kindness and compassion towards yourself as you strive for self-improvement. Treat yourself with gentleness and understanding, just as you would treat a loved one.
3. **Love Does Not Envy**: Avoid comparing yourself to others in your self-improvement journey. Focus on your own progress and growth without being envious of others' achievements.
4. **Love Does Not Boast**: Stay humble and grounded as you work on improving yourself. Let your actions speak for themselves rather than seeking validation through boasting.
5. **Love is Not Proud**: Cultivate humility in your self-improvement efforts. Acknowledge your strengths and weaknesses, and be open to learning and growing from both.
6. **Love Does Not Dishonor Others**: Respect and honor yourself and others in your pursuit of self-improvement. Treat yourself and those around you with dignity and consideration.
7. **Love is Not Self-Seeking**: Focus on self-improvement for the sake of personal growth and well-being, rather than seeking validation or approval from others. Prioritize your own growth and development.
8. **Love is Not Easily Angered**: Practice emotional intelligence and self-control in your self-improvement journey. Manage your emotions effectively and respond to challenges with calmness and understanding.
9. **Love Keeps No Record of Wrongs**: Let go of past mistakes and setbacks as you work on improving yourself. Embrace forgiveness and move forward with a positive mindset.
10. **Love Always Protects, Always Trusts, Always Hopes, Always Perseveres**: Approach self-improvement with a mindset of protection, trust, hope, and perseverance. Believe in your ability to grow and evolve, and stay committed to your journey of self-improvement.
By integrating the principles of love and self-improvement, you can cultivate a positive and nurturing environment for personal growth and development. Embrace these values as you strive to enhance every aspect of yourself and create a fulfilling and meaningful life.
Liliea
Jedi Council Member
My understanding, It is a very one-dimensional and sterile reflection of Paul's letter, if you notice many of the key phrases focus on the word love without defining it or getting close to it; the direction taken by the numbered statements are at the service of oneself, that is, in function of mine, on the island of the “I”, so it lets us glimpse his perspective of the term “self-improvement” I do not see it very objective, which reveals a subtle manipulation of the program on the user.
For an artificial intelligence trying to point out a basic condition of behavior in relation to a popular topic such as self-improvement, it is the average basic book but not very sufficient or fair understanding that it has so much information to “pick and choose” from.
If the question had been about Paul's letter and the human spiritual condition, perhaps the answers would have been more interesting although it always underlies that hateful manipulation of the one who programs it.
-It is as if to say: it is your overcoming, your journey, remember that you love yourself and in that way you can love everyone, do not suffer, do not look at others or compare yourself with them, stay in your ideal that you can be better, do not feel envy and do not question why you can feel it, do not have mirrors, do not confront yourself, grow and move forward. If you feel envy, do not envy, because love does not envy and you are love.
For an artificial intelligence trying to point out a basic condition of behavior in relation to a popular topic such as self-improvement, it is the average basic book but not very sufficient or fair understanding that it has so much information to “pick and choose” from.
If the question had been about Paul's letter and the human spiritual condition, perhaps the answers would have been more interesting although it always underlies that hateful manipulation of the one who programs it.
I would've been much more interested in seeing a version of the same exercise, but written by you.
Yup, this could probably be tried with other combinations, but I wanted to see if it worked as an experiment. And it has more or less turned out to be positive in terms of being a test. Maybe it can be improved a lot more by taking it as just a template.
Although you are right that the text is too focused on oneself.
Evan
Jedi Council Member
The first thing that popped into my head was doing a similar experiment with the 10 Commandments and Group. Not exactly sure if that would even be applicable, but the idea of taking the first person “Thou” out and applying it to a people might yield some interesting results during this time of the Israeli genocide (thou shall not murder/kill or bear false witness). I’d do it myself but I have no idea how to use GPT and the like.
meadow_wind
Jedi Master
It's quite easy. Here is the URL for ChatGPT. Just log in/create an account, and start prompting questions :)
I did the exercise just out of curiosity, but I'm not qualified to analyze or comment on any of it. All I know is that the answer you get depends a lot on the way you ask your prompt, and/or the way you "program it" to answer you.
I first asked:
Do you know of Paul's letter (1 Corinthians 13:1–13) ? I'm asking you to read Paul's letter about love and ponder each aspect in relation to yourself and others. Can you explain that?
The answer (very similar to the previous one):
Yes, I'm familiar with the passage from 1 Corinthians 13:1–13, often referred to as the "Love Chapter." This passage is a reflection on the nature of love as described by the apostle Paul. In it, Paul emphasizes the importance of love as the greatest virtue and describes its characteristics and qualities. Here's a brief overview of each aspect of love as described in the passage:
Patience: Love is patient and enduring, even in difficult situations or with challenging individuals.
Kindness: Love is characterized by acts of kindness and compassion towards others, showing genuine care and concern.
Not envy: Love does not seek to possess or covet what others have but rejoices in their successes and blessings.
Not boastful: Love is humble and does not seek attention or praise for oneself but instead focuses on lifting others up.
Not proud: Love is characterized by humility, recognizing one's own limitations and valuing the worth of others.
Not rude: Love is considerate and respectful in its interactions with others, avoiding behaviors that cause harm or offense.
Not self-seeking: Love prioritizes the needs and well-being of others above one's own desires or interests.
Not easily angered: Love is patient and slow to anger, choosing to respond with grace and understanding rather than with hostility or resentment.
Keeps no record of wrongs: Love forgives and lets go of past grievances, choosing to focus on reconciliation and moving forward.
Does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth: Love values honesty, integrity, and righteousness, seeking to uphold what is good and just.
Always protects: Love seeks to safeguard the well-being and dignity of others, offering support and assistance when needed.
Always trusts: Love fosters trust and faith in others, believing in their inherent goodness and potential.
Always hopes: Love remains optimistic and hopeful, even in the face of adversity or uncertainty, believing in the possibility of positive outcomes.
Always perseveres: Love is steadfast and resilient, enduring through challenges and difficulties with unwavering determination.
These qualities of love, as described by Paul, serve as a guide for how we should relate to others and conduct ourselves in our interactions and relationships. By embodying these aspects of love in our lives, we can cultivate deeper connections, foster greater understanding, and contribute to a more harmonious and compassionate world.
Then I modified the question taking into account what Liliea had said:
Q: What about Paul's letter and the human spiritual condition?
A: Paul's letter in 1 Corinthians 13 not only provides guidance on the nature of love but also reflects the broader spiritual condition of humanity. In the Christian tradition, Paul's writings often delve into theological themes and offer insights into the human condition in relation to God and others.
In the context of 1 Corinthians 13, Paul's emphasis on love can be seen as addressing a fundamental aspect of the human spiritual condition: the need for genuine, selfless love in our relationships with God and with one another. Paul contrasts the temporary gifts and abilities that people may possess with the enduring virtue of love, highlighting its supreme importance.
At a deeper level, Paul's letter speaks to the human longing for connection, belonging, and meaning. Love, as described by Paul, embodies qualities such as patience, kindness, humility, and forgiveness—qualities that resonate with our deepest spiritual aspirations. By cultivating these virtues in our lives, we not only enrich our relationships with others but also draw closer to the divine source of love.
Furthermore, Paul's letter underscores the transformative power of love to transcend human limitations and shortcomings. In the face of our brokenness, love offers healing, reconciliation, and hope. It is through love that we can experience the redemptive grace of God and participate in the ongoing work of spiritual growth and renewal.
Overall, Paul's letter in 1 Corinthians 13 speaks to the universal human quest for love, meaning, and spiritual fulfillment. It challenges us to reflect on our attitudes and actions, encouraging us to embody the transformative power of love in our lives and relationships.
ELT
Jedi
Simultaneity here with the number of reactions to this very session of December 30, 2023 :
3 + 333
The loop is completed.
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I Corinthians 13
13 If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal. 2 And if I have prophetic powers, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. 3 If I give away all I have, and if I deliver up my body to be burned,[a] but have not love, I gain nothing.
I interpret this paragraph as the necessary development of the Being alongside that of Knowledge as expressed by Laura, Gurdjieff, Mouravieff and Ibn al-Arabi in their teachings.
4 Love is patient and kind; love does not envy or boast; it is not arrogant 5 or rude. It does not insist on its own way; it is not irritable or resentful;[b] 6 it does not rejoice at wrongdoing, but rejoices with the truth. 7 Love bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.
"Kindness is the act of being kind, generous and considerate to others. It is a behavior characterized by empathy, compassion and a desire to help others. Kindness can be expressed in many ways, from a simple smile to a grand gesture of generosity. It is a highly valued virtue in many cultures and is often considered a way to build strong relationships."
Patience, on the other hand, is a skill so essentially necessary for progress in any aspect that it must be cultivated and reinforced throughout life. It is almost a superpower.
Patience, on the other hand, is a skill so essentially necessary for progress in any aspect that it must be cultivated and reinforced throughout life. It is almost a superpower.
8 Love never ends. As for prophecies, they will pass away; as for tongues, they will cease; as for knowledge, it will pass away. 9 For we know in part and we prophesy in part, 10 but when the perfect comes, the partial will pass away. 11 When I was a child, I spoke like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I gave up childish ways. 12 For now we see in a mirror dimly, but then face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I have been fully known.
When we have learned these basic lessons of this realm that we must learn, from this density, we will be prepared to enter the next level of awareness. And we will not feel like children who need the help of a tutor (like a universal god or whatever).
13 So now faith, hope, and love abide, these three; but the greatest of these is love.
ἀγάπην is the word used by Paul in this chapter of the letter to the I Corinthians is: agapé: love, goodwill
Original Word: ἀγάπη, ης, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: agapé
Phonetic Spelling: (ag-ah'-pay)
Definition: love, goodwill
Usage: love, benevolence, good will, esteem; plur: love-feasts.
HELPS Word-studies
26 agápē – properly, love which centers in moral preference. So too in secular ancient Greek, 26 (agápē) focuses on preference; likewise the verb form (25 /agapáō) in antiquity meant "to prefer" (TDNT, 7). In the NT, 26 (agápē) typically refers to divine love (= what God prefers).
In the journey from 1st Density, 2nd, 3rd... towards unity with the One we develop an individuality capable of making its own decisions up to a certain limit, we will need more knowledge to have more potentiality to be able to make more true and our own decisions as a protective shield against the negative influence of others, be they humans or hyperdimensional entities or whatever. And so we must mature from this infantile state of primitive spiritual progress through the balance between knowledge and being. The knowledge we gain from experiencing life in all aspects as human beings along with the polishing process of getting closer to the best version of oneself. What I understand is linked to being more in tune with the STO mode of existence/path.
In this way, we learn by interacting with other human beings and putting in the willpower and intention to be better every day, to have self-control over our negative emotions despite all the problems, temptations and external triggers and also inherited or developmental wounds/traumas.
In any case, having said all the above, patience is key again to be able to develop what has been stated above.
Timothy Asworth in Paul's Necessary Sin commented that: any sense of personal transformation has a sense of incompletedness without the transformation of all a complete reversal of the Fall [...].
The veil that is spread over 'all peoples', 'all nations' will be taken away and —the implication is— humankind will 'come of age' and enter its inheritance
"In Gal 5:6 Paul claims that the only thing that matters in Christ is faith that 'is active', energoumenē, through love"
—Paul and the Stoics by Troels Enberg-Pedersen.
Love is not the pursuit of self so it does not seek self-gratification or possessions but rather to feel or begin to feel at least a sense of oneness.
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Liliea
Jedi Council Member
meadow_wind I appreciate very much that you have been encouraged to ask the question and indeed the answer given by the robot is more interesting and objective than the previous one - although it raises many questions for me. Much of the sentiment of what I read in the robot's answer -(knowing that it is a silicon valley machine) is a reflection of my feelings so it is more difficult to recognize the intention of what is written:
Our? who are we? is the robot included? if it speaks for Christians, whose quote is it? a Christian robot? has made a mistake?
I don't dare to ask questions to the chatG-robot, the truth is that I like to approach this kind of topics from the experience in books or listening to others (FVR) that interaction has much more value because it develops better intuition and you learn to better differentiate the false from the true, the visible from the invisible in the experience to understand and know.
As Tristán says, it is an experiment and it is necessary to know the tool for which one must arrive with knowledge of cause, otherwise it ends up being a mental crutch and the best-worst friend.
meadow_wind
Jedi Master
My guess is that it means humans. The robot seems to have used a third person's narrative as if it was a human author who wrote it.
If you go back to the question which was: "What about Paul's letter and the human spiritual condition?"
The last sentence of the answer: Overall, Paul's letter in 1 Corinthians 13 speaks to the universal human quest for love, meaning, and spiritual fulfillment. It challenges us to reflect on our attitudes and actions, encouraging us to embody the transformative power of love in our lives and relationships.
I really like the expression "mental crutch" and "best-worst friend". It sums up how I feel about it.
christx11
Jedi Master
I think the AI responses about Paul's love letter are pretty much nonsense. I also think, at least in my understanding of Pauls' love letter, that many here on the forum do not really know what it is about. I think Paul is (as in many of his writings/teachings) trying to talk about this other higher realm ( 4th density STO ) and he has to use words and terms from this 3rd density that are very inadequate. He is trying to talk about love, compassion, charity here in 3rd density, but he is trying to get across that the real truth of the concepts is beyond this realm.
He basically is saying: If you think love, compassion, charity is this, then you are woefully wrong. If you think love, compassion, charity is this then you are woefully wrong. And if you think love, compassion, charity is also this then you are woefully wrong
He then tries to describe it in 3rd density terms of what it really is.
But the whole point of the letter, which AI does not even mention or anyone here has mentioned is the last part of the letter. The whole point of the letter.
From Ashworth's translation of the last part:
What we think we know in everything is so inadequate.
Here in this research group I think we have some glimpses of what Paul is talking about.
Can you imagine Paul trying to talk to people about a benevolent realm where the beings are in confluence with the creative side of the Cosmic Mind. They are literally conduits for the creation of life forms on earth and other realms. Their number one rule is free will. Can you imagine what kind of love and compassion that must be required to be able to be aware of all the horror and disgust that our realm is and respect free will, choice and consciousness of everything that is their creation.
And that brings us back to Earth here. Can you love the left wing nipple clamping woke transgender person? Can you love the nazi? Can you love humanity? I am not advocating that you accept the abhorrent, the deviant, nutjobs, the psychopath. But can you remember that what comes through the person is what we are aligned with? Pretty much everything that comes through people out there and a lot of what comes through us is 4Th density STS. It reminds me of the session with Caesar, paraphrasing when he was asked what drove him to do what he did. "Love and pity." Love for humanity and pity because humanity was lost.
Paul's letter is trying to get across to us that we cannot fathom what love, compassion, charity truly is because as in everything in 3rd density STS, we can only see a small part of the true reality. We can only truly know what he is trying to talk about if and or when we reach 4th density STO.
He basically is saying: If you think love, compassion, charity is this, then you are woefully wrong. If you think love, compassion, charity is this then you are woefully wrong. And if you think love, compassion, charity is also this then you are woefully wrong
He then tries to describe it in 3rd density terms of what it really is.
But the whole point of the letter, which AI does not even mention or anyone here has mentioned is the last part of the letter. The whole point of the letter.
From Ashworth's translation of the last part:
We cannot know fully the meaning of these concepts until 4th density STO.
What we think we know in everything is so inadequate.
Here in this research group I think we have some glimpses of what Paul is talking about.
Can you imagine Paul trying to talk to people about a benevolent realm where the beings are in confluence with the creative side of the Cosmic Mind. They are literally conduits for the creation of life forms on earth and other realms. Their number one rule is free will. Can you imagine what kind of love and compassion that must be required to be able to be aware of all the horror and disgust that our realm is and respect free will, choice and consciousness of everything that is their creation.
And that brings us back to Earth here. Can you love the left wing nipple clamping woke transgender person? Can you love the nazi? Can you love humanity? I am not advocating that you accept the abhorrent, the deviant, nutjobs, the psychopath. But can you remember that what comes through the person is what we are aligned with? Pretty much everything that comes through people out there and a lot of what comes through us is 4Th density STS. It reminds me of the session with Caesar, paraphrasing when he was asked what drove him to do what he did. "Love and pity." Love for humanity and pity because humanity was lost.
Paul's letter is trying to get across to us that we cannot fathom what love, compassion, charity truly is because as in everything in 3rd density STS, we can only see a small part of the true reality. We can only truly know what he is trying to talk about if and or when we reach 4th density STO.