Russell Brand: From Actor and Entertainer to... Truth-teller and Enemy of the State?

Hmm, his description is concerning and there's an almost manic flavor to it. The problem with addictions that any former or current 'addict' knows or should know, is that on the one hand, you use to escape the pain, but also there's the craving for peak, transcendent experiences/next high. Brand is still caught in the latter.
 
He’s certainly got that New Christian Zeal©️, and all of the buzzwords that always go with it. I get the impression that he’s still “got the [baptismal] water in his ears”. It’ll be interesting to see how long it takes for the shine to wear off. Right now he’s clearly still high as kite on his new (better than the best drugs) drug. But he said he’s always been him whatever he’s done, so we’ll see what happens when he realizes he’s still there. I wish him well. I really do. But I’ve seen this play out before. I’m going with wait and see.
 
I don't quite know what to make of Brand. I first saw him on tv in the early 2000s on Big Brother UK. He was daft, manic, incredibly confident, extravagant in his gestures and clearly on drugs. He's clearly had a very transformative 20 years of life since then, and he's clearly a very intelligent and articulate thinker too. But his twin addictions, to drugs and sex, suggest an inherent weakness. If he's truly over all that stuff then good for him. I've had my own problems with drugs and sex so I certainly don't hold it against him. Not on his level though.

And as for the baptism? Hey, it's largely symbolic, no great shakes. I was baptised in a Catholic church back in 1975. By 1986 I had left the church, I'd already had enough after attending a religious school from 1978-86. I enjoyed those years growing up, but I didn't need the cultish vibe I was getting off the teachers. It'll be interesting if he changes and re-invents himself again, just like he's done a few times before. Either way, he's a man we need in the UK, few have his reach and his heart has always been in the right place. A voice I'll continue to listen to.
 

Brand's statement “ I am so grateful to be surrendered in Christ” at the end of the video stood out to me.

Hmm, his description is concerning and there's an almost manic flavor to it.

As Turgon mentioned, it has a zealous tone to it, and is concerning.

The posts from Laura with the cross references to previous discussions on Bob Altemeyer's work (book Amazing Conversions) is a useful reminder of the psychological dynamics behind these kinds of conversions.

It seems to be a trend lately as there are people I know personally or know of, who have been working on spiritual development or have been part of the ‘truth community’ so to speak, and have ‘turned themselves over’ to Christ. They are also very public and ‘preachy’ about it. Many of these folks have gone so far to proclaim that meditation, yoga, crystals, pendulums, and other practices are from Satan and are sin. Terms like ‘self-reliance / self-power, self-strength’ and ‘the spirit of Christ’ (as opposed to literally believing in Him and the Christian doctrine) are used to describe the wrong path, as it excludes Christ as the provider of all strength and power as one needs to submit themselves completely to Christ.

This submission or surrendering oneself to an external force or deity such as Christ is likely very tempting for people who face the difficulty of trying to discern, see the truth, work on themselves and grow spiritually: especially when they are trying to do this alone and do not have a real network. It is just so much simpler.

This idea of self-power or self-strength is basically the cornerstone of Work on the self as it incorporates individual and internal responsibility. It includes developing willpower and discipline. Having an external savior who gives the strength is the easy road, and it may provide some protection or at least some relief from some of the evil forces around them.

Interesting trend and I expect we will see more of this as times get tougher and things get weirder on this planet.
 
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This idea of self-power or self-strength is basically the cornerstone of Work on the self as it incorporates individual and internal responsibility. It includes developing willpower and discipline. Having an external savior who gives the strength is the easy road, and it may provide some protection or at least some relief from some of the evil forces around them.
You’ve hit the nail on the head here. That’s precisely what my thoughts have been circling around. The cost-benefit here is really at the crux of the question. Hopefully one will lead to the other for Mr Brand.
 
I'm a meat eater too 😁

Had a lovely rib eye from the butchers yesterday. Yum yum 😋

I was only saying that Russell, as an adult, can make his own choices on what to eat. If he wants vegan, well, that's his choice 🤷.

Btw, did you notice the squat position he was in in that clip. Supposedly meant to be good for you if you can get to it and hold it for a few minutes regularly.
But does Russell make his own decisions?? Who is behind (above?) him influencing him?

I can’t make myself watch his videos, he’s holier than though, must present my self a certain way, talk a certain way to show off my intelligence, ‘his’ awakening wonders, … what on earth?

I’m still not convinced he isn’t controlled opposition, he’s got a lot of followers, lots of them besotted by him surely, so what, he might not toot the vegan horn he makes sure people know that about him -so they can follow him …and now a baptism so they can…. follow him?
 
He says : "Something occurred in the process of baptism that was incredible" ... "I felt so changed; transitioned" ... "I feel as if some new resource within me has switched on" ... "My resources are coming from somewhere else, and someone else now"

It is amazing what belief can do.

He actually believes he is now somehow imbued with some new power, bestowed upon him by some external, magical source. Well, good for him I guess - wishful thinking maybe ?

Also - what better strategy for our 4D STS friends to use, now that more and more people are losing trust in the powers that be, but to influence the influencers ?

Maybe if people such as him can make his followers believe in a messiah who will come down and "save" everyone, then a false Christ will be even more successful.
 
But does Russell make his own decisions?? Who is behind (above?) him influencing him?
I believe he has a team and I don't expect he does all his own research. I think he's influenced by those in the new "alternative" media as opposed to the mainstream or by government. If the latter, my question would be, why did they try to take him down then?

I can’t make myself watch his videos, he’s holier than though, must present my self a certain way, talk a certain way to show off my intelligence, ‘his’ awakening wonders, … what on earth?
He's certainly eccentric but given his history, I don't think people see him as holier than thou. Surely not!

The way he presents himself i.e. his style of talking, is how I've always remembered him being. I believe it's just who he has grown to become.

I’m still not convinced he isn’t controlled opposition, he’s got a lot of followers, lots of them besotted by him surely, so what, he might not toot the vegan horn he makes sure people know that about him -so they can follow him …and now a baptism so they can…. follow him?
You have to remember he's still a working man. He's not retired. By that, I mean that he's turned his new thing into a business, similar to how Joe or Tucker or any of them make a living off what they do.

They all have "followers" (they are celebrities after all) - from Russell, Joe, Tucker etc. By followers, I mean people who listen to what they say and follow them on their platforms.

Veganism is really quite a thing in the UK. It became fashionable at some point in the recent past and you won't believe how many people are vegan. They are EVERYWHERE 😭😭. I'm not surprised Russell Brand is vegan to be honest, he's got that look about him.

Personally, I don't really listen to him that much but sometimes I do depending on what he's talking about. I do consider him as being in the fight against the PTB and to me, that counts for something. He's trying to put himself to good use - certainly this stage of his life counts for more in terms of contribution than his previous stage where he was living that lifestyle that everyone knows about. It doesn't mean that he doesn't have real work to do to truly overcome his addictive tendencies or fuel his body properly - I'm not actually sure what vegan diet he's on as he doesn't look unhealthy from the eye test (don't take this as me saying his diet is okay). I'm convinced some of these "vegan" celebs might be eating something else !

I do think that the points made about him are warranted / justified based on what we know. Like anyone else the guy has issues to work with. Just because he has a platform and is gifted with talking doesn't mean he has transcended what it means to be a human.
 
One thing to remember about Russell's world is there isn't 3D, 4D, STS/STO etc so a guy in his position needs something to place his hope in. If you are rebelling against materialism, you must be fighting towards something else. It's really hard to define that thing yourself and must come to fall on a belief system - there's no escaping it. Sadly for quite a lot that ends up being organised religion. Don't underestimate how lucky we are to have the world view as taught by the Cs, Ra etc, and the 4th way plus associated materials and books. Obviously there's something in someone that makes them receptive to certain material and not others so it's not to say that Russell would be receptive to the material we are receptive to - but does he need to be to put himself to good use? I'd say no.
 
Laura said ' There you learn learn that people who are looking for something "higher" to believe in are generally full of fear and have lots of psychological issues, not to mention problems in their lives, that they are unable to cope with or unwilling to discipline themselves to deal with. They also tend to be less intelligent than non-believer type people. Some of the folks who got very low scores described in Altemeyer's book were atheists to the core, evolutionists, etc., which goes to show it is not the ideology but the slavish following of it that is the issue.'

yes so very true ,in my experience of recovering from addiction the first stage is learning to stay of the substances and physical connections with active user and bars etc- in 12 step programs meeting attendance on a daily basis is he guideline- so in early recovery people get through the first year of so drug free - then the usual go tos manifest - sex lust porn gambling food and a whole plethora of fixations- basically its all addiction playing out but not to the substances ! for many it does require support of others whove been through it -certainly in my case - but there comes time to continue recovering and dealing with the historical issues that drive the addiction and encourage the hungary ghosts to attach and feed off the individual. Thats encouraged in 12 step with the inventory work in the 4th and fifth steps etc but many dont go much deeper in my experience. In other word the addiction plays out in supposedly more hidden ways - need for validation ,saviours someone else to make it easier for them to avoid really taking full on reponsibilty for doing The Work.
Yes hes 21 years clean but like Laura mentioned hes weak - his celebrity status , and trying out the latest new thing etc are all ways to distract from direct connection to himself imo - hes still acting out and feeding the hungary ghosts.His investment in all this makes it all the more difficult to really sit with himself and be still enough to do something about his dilemma( his addiction has set up a failsafe system to avoid the void within himself - i see many like that and at 21 years clean I was pretty much the same - yesterday was 38 years since i used mood altering shemicals etc- and its really only in the last 10 years have I really been able to engage in The Work and commit in a genuine way. Moving to a rural location and living alone certainly helped in that respect. Either way I wish him all the best- but time is limited I hope he uses it wisely .Also being confronted with my mortality through severe illness was quite a massive awakener .
Great post Emeral Rob, thank you.
The hungry ghosts still feed on me, I refuse to identify with any of it but bit by bit I find myself slipping further away. Disintegration where I’ve become almost incapable of doing anything. I’ve lost the last bit of control I was clutching to like precious gems and left to my own devices there is nothing I do that makes any positive impact on anyone or anything.
I fear my hungry ghosts also feed on my family and that I drag them down with me.

I show up here for comfort but cannot commit to doing The Work because I feel like a fraud, when I pray it feels non genuine - something outside me will save me if I pray enough, that’s not my intention but if I break it down that’s what it is, someone save me from myself because I can’t do it. I wear masks because if I reveal what’s really going on then I might have to take responsibility for it and that scares the shit out of me, so I contract and hide behind things so I can’t be accountable. Not just here, I do it in my day to life- it’s a coping mechanism that I’ve as yet been unable to identify- something went wrong, really wrong, but I don’t know what it is. I’ve always felt like this even as a child.

Addiction leaves a void that as Laura said usually needs another addiction to fill. What is an addict with nothing to be addicted to? How are we comfortable with life? How does anything have any meaning when we don’t identify with something?

I’ve been wanting to talk and open up about it but I’ve done it all before- got nowhere, and now I don’t have the time, the cognitive ability and the will is flailing, I shut down because the other option is beyond confronting, knowing I’ll be posting this is in a minute has my heart racing, exposed, and I can’t unsay it.

I must acknowledge that I owe Russell an apology. I am in no way of a position to cast judgment on him. I hope he finds what he is searching for.
 
Great post Emeral Rob, thank you.
The hungry ghosts still feed on me, I refuse to identify with any of it but bit by bit I find myself slipping further away. Disintegration where I’ve become almost incapable of doing anything. I’ve lost the last bit of control I was clutching to like precious gems and left to my own devices there is nothing I do that makes any positive impact on anyone or anything.
I fear my hungry ghosts also feed on my family and that I drag them down with me.

I show up here for comfort but cannot commit to doing The Work because I feel like a fraud, when I pray it feels non genuine - something outside me will save me if I pray enough, that’s not my intention but if I break it down that’s what it is, someone save me from myself because I can’t do it. I wear masks because if I reveal what’s really going on then I might have to take responsibility for it and that scares the shit out of me, so I contract and hide behind things so I can’t be accountable. Not just here, I do it in my day to life- it’s a coping mechanism that I’ve as yet been unable to identify- something went wrong, really wrong, but I don’t know what it is. I’ve always felt like this even as a child.

Addiction leaves a void that as Laura said usually needs another addiction to fill. What is an addict with nothing to be addicted to? How are we comfortable with life? How does anything have any meaning when we don’t identify with something?

I’ve been wanting to talk and open up about it but I’ve done it all before- got nowhere, and now I don’t have the time, the cognitive ability and the will is flailing, I shut down because the other option is beyond confronting, knowing I’ll be posting this is in a minute has my heart racing, exposed, and I can’t unsay it.

I must acknowledge that I owe Russell an apology. I am in no way of a position to cast judgment on him. I hope he finds what he is searching for.
Just a couple of comments.

If you have taken care of yourself today...

If you haven't hurt anyone today...

Today you have done something enormous.

And...

You have taught me and helped me with your comment and your sincerity.
 
I feel much the same. I abused myself with drinking and drugs for decades. Now my machine is broken beyond repair. Now my brain is damaged. And it is in this state of disrepair that I undertake the Work. I retain perhaps 20% of what I read, if I read it twice. I’m on medication that is destructive to my body, but is absolutely necessary.

I’m on the list for a transplant, but I believe I read somewhere in the Wave that putting another person’s organ into my body is not good. Last week my doctor said, “Look Evan, I’m gonna level with you. You’re like a guy who has heart disease. You can spend your life hooked up to the machine, and live that way for years. In a hospital bed attached to a machine. Or you can get the transplant and leave the hospital. Those are your options.”

Today I saw this post above:

I have taken care of myself today.

I haven’t hurt anyone today.

Today I have done something enormous.

Thank you @Wandering Star. Today you’ve given me a gift. A self-reminder for every day that follows. Something that I can state every day with a sense of accomplishment. There are plenty of aspects of the Work I can and must work on. And so I will do that which I am able, and know I’m doing something enormous.🙏
 
Great post Emeral Rob, thank you.
The hungry ghosts still feed on me, I refuse to identify with any of it but bit by bit I find myself slipping further away. Disintegration where I’ve become almost incapable of doing anything. I’ve lost the last bit of control I was clutching to like precious gems and left to my own devices there is nothing I do that makes any positive impact on anyone or anything.
I fear my hungry ghosts also feed on my family and that I drag them down with me.

I show up here for comfort but cannot commit to doing The Work because I feel like a fraud, when I pray it feels non genuine - something outside me will save me if I pray enough, that’s not my intention but if I break it down that’s what it is, someone save me from myself because I can’t do it. I wear masks because if I reveal what’s really going on then I might have to take responsibility for it and that scares the shit out of me, so I contract and hide behind things so I can’t be accountable. Not just here, I do it in my day to life- it’s a coping mechanism that I’ve as yet been unable to identify- something went wrong, really wrong, but I don’t know what it is. I’ve always felt like this even as a child.

Addiction leaves a void that as Laura said usually needs another addiction to fill. What is an addict with nothing to be addicted to? How are we comfortable with life? How does anything have any meaning when we don’t identify with something?

I’ve been wanting to talk and open up about it but I’ve done it all before- got nowhere, and now I don’t have the time, the cognitive ability and the will is flailing, I shut down because the other option is beyond confronting, knowing I’ll be posting this is in a minute has my heart racing, exposed, and I can’t unsay it.

I must acknowledge that I owe Russell an apology. I am in no way of a position to cast judgment on him. I hope he finds what he is searching for.
Hi Fluffy ,firstly well done on summoning the courage to openly share what is going on for you-well done !a big step in the right direction.
I just came across this excerpt from the Cs in another post on the forum but it really rang true .
A: Yes. When you remember yourselves five or ten years ago, do you recognize the changes thus far?
Q: Everyone: “yes!”

A: Do you not suspect that these changes are also matched or mirrored in your most basic structure?
Q: (L) Hadn’t really thought about it.

A: This is how work on the self works! It prepares you for even more dramatic and rapid changes! And this is ”receivership capacity”.
Q: So, you’re saying when you work on yourself, and you change something from a certain level, that it acts on more fundamental levels even as far as your DNA? Which then enables you to receive finer or differently tuned energies, which can help to change you more? And if that happens, it enables you to achieve more and do more. Is that sort of what we’re getting at here?
A: Yes. Not quite clear as you put it; but close enough.

as with most things there is the inversion or opposite and If one was to apply addiction/hungary ghosts etc along the same as what is being said in the quote above you can see clearly how addiction and the void it leaves does exactly the same but in a harmful and self defeating way -like being a channel for unwholsome forces usually based in hatred,greed and delusion).
Youre not a fraud ! although your addiction based narrative is doing quite a thorough job of making you believe otherwise!

I recollect being in more or less the same dilemmas you have shared at different stages of early recovery.

All is not lost - youre here now reaching out in a very honest way (addiction doesnt operate this way!) That takes alot of courage , well done !

keep sharing and remember there is alot of support here that can facilate a recovery process- yes sometimes we need others to help us throw light on the situation,thats what we do here!

if your open to a few suggestions based from my own experience here are a few ropes to help you climb out !
maybe try and attend a few 12 step meetings in your locality -at least you will be listened too and supported with kindness from others who have been or are going through your current situation(whether you are using or not ).If you cant make physical meetings theres plenty on zoom globally.
Be kind and gentle on yourself within this transition, we didnt get this way overnight-so remember easy does it .
Maybe read some of the NA twelve step literature(all very practical and sound material IMO) heres a link

Narcotics Anonymous Informational Pamphlets - HAMASCNA

just be aware that addiction and hungary ghosts will try and talk you out of anything that involves taking reponsibility and becoming abetter person-it says somewhere in the NA literature ' through our inability to accept personal responsibility we were actually creating our own problems'

Going back to the quote from the Cs maybe re read it a few times .

dont hesitate to reach out to me and others here if you need help and let us know how youre doing.

with all the best wishes for you -you are in my prayers and thoughts -go well !
 
I wear masks because if I reveal what’s really going on then I might have to take responsibility for it and that scares the shit out of me, so I contract and hide behind things so I can’t be accountable. Not just here, I do it in my day to life- it’s a coping mechanism that I’ve as yet been unable to identify- something went wrong, really wrong, but I don’t know what it is. I’ve always felt like this even as a child.
Hi Fluffy, it's clear that you've suffered some significant trauma's growing up that still effects you if this is how you feel on a regular basis. What about having a little bit of compassion for yourself as a human being that's scared and in need of help and assistance? That you don't have it all together and hide when you don't know what to do. The fact that you can recognize and acknowledge this is a big step forward even if it may not feel like it is right now.
 
The hungry ghosts still feed on me, I refuse to identify with any of it but bit by bit I find myself slipping further away. Disintegration where I’ve become almost incapable of doing anything. I’ve lost the last bit of control I was clutching to like precious gems and left to my own devices there is nothing I do that makes any positive impact on anyone or anything.
I fear my hungry ghosts also feed on my family and that I drag them down with me.

I show up here for comfort but cannot commit to doing The Work because I feel like a fraud, when I pray it feels non genuine - something outside me will save me if I pray enough, that’s not my intention but if I break it down that’s what it is, someone save me from myself because I can’t do it. I wear masks because if I reveal what’s really going on then I might have to take responsibility for it and that scares the shit out of me, so I contract and hide behind things so I can’t be accountable. Not just here, I do it in my day to life- it’s a coping mechanism that I’ve as yet been unable to identify- something went wrong, really wrong, but I don’t know what it is. I’ve always felt like this even as a child.

Addiction leaves a void that as Laura said usually needs another addiction to fill. What is an addict with nothing to be addicted to? How are we comfortable with life? How does anything have any meaning when we don’t identify with something?

I’ve been wanting to talk and open up about it but I’ve done it all before- got nowhere, and now I don’t have the time, the cognitive ability and the will is flailing, I shut down because the other option is beyond confronting, knowing I’ll be posting this is in a minute has my heart racing, exposed, and I can’t unsay it.

I must acknowledge that I owe Russell an apology. I am in no way of a position to cast judgment on him. I hope he finds what he is searching for.
I think you are being too hard on yourself. You have made a great step forward by admitting to certain things that don't feel acceptable to you ie. praying, doing The Work etc. You have now put your problems out there to everyone and the Universe and you cannot unsay those things. You have exposed yourself, a bit like lancing a sore and letting the pus drain (sorry about the icky analogy). I think that is huge progress. I have noticed, from time to time when I have been perusing some of the older posts going back several years, that a number of the posters are no longer contributing to the forum. It may be that some of them are still following but no longer active on the forum. Others may have decided it was not for them and upped sticks and left. You are still here though. Even though you say you are not doing The Work, it must somehow still be important to you otherwise you would have left. Sometimes it is the tiny things that make a difference. (hope that doesn't come across as sounding too preachy otherwise I might end up like poor old Russell.)
 
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