Questions about fetishes to the C's

Viktor

Padawan Learner
The main sexual fetishes are BDSM and feet fetishism.
I guess the following are suitable questions:

1) Are such desires caused by discombobulated brain chemistry?
2) Are fetishes a signal of psychopathy or paedophilia?
3) The Cs had made clear sex is always a predatory act. All STS-driven. What about those who like being hurt? Are they also predators?
5) Is there a surge of fetishes? Has it been caused by an action of the consortium? Why would they want that?
 
Can you please provide the quotes where the C's of said this?
I guess they said it more than once. But here there is an example from 6th November (1994).

Q: (L) Well, sexual energy "redirected"; does this mean women will stop having sex with men?

A: Not exactly.

Q: (L) Am I close?

A: Yes. Men will lose most of their drive in favor of more spiritual pursuits. It is the sex drive that is at the root of most of the historical aggression and lack of feeling on the part of the male.
 
Q: (L) Well, sexual energy "redirected"; does this mean women will stop having sex with men?

A: Not exactly.

Q: (L) Am I close?

A: Yes. Men will lose most of their drive in favor of more spiritual pursuits. It is the sex drive that is at the root of most of the historical aggression and lack of feeling on the part of the male.

Where do you see in this that Cs said sex it is always a predatory act? They said “sex drive is the root of most historical aggression” it’s nothing to do with sex in a loving-supporting-healthy relationship. It’s more like meaningless sex that can have a predatory influence and that depends in the context/situation as well. This is later clarified by then.
 
I guess they said it more than once. But here there is an example from 6th November (1994).

Q: (L) Well, sexual energy "redirected"; does this mean women will stop having sex with men?

A: Not exactly.

Q: (L) Am I close?

A: Yes. Men will lose most of their drive in favor of more spiritual pursuits. It is the sex drive that is at the root of most of the historical aggression and lack of feeling on the part of the male.
Hey Viktor, in your intro post you said you've been reading the transcripts for a few months now. Have you also had a chance to read The Wave series? The exchange you quoted is covered there, and it is explained that the session was influenced by the presence of an individual whose sexual preferences were skewed. This resulted in skewing the answers towards what he wanted to hear rather than what's objectively true.
 

Here is something you may find interesting. Certain pathogenic infections can affect sexual behavior towards preference for masochistic behavior in the BDSM world.

My understanding has been that 4d STS can affect individual behavior through pathogens. This might be something to consider in your exploration of sex and hyperdimensional influence.
 
Where do you see in this that Cs said sex it is always a predatory act? They said “sex drive is the root of most historical aggression” it’s nothing to do with sex in a loving-supporting-healthy relationship. It’s more like meaningless sex that can have a predatory influence and that depends in the context/situation as well. This is later clarified by then.

These comments in the 1-7-1995 session could be the basis of irjO's description of sex as "a predatory act".

Q: (L) If two individuals, as an expression of true love at higher levels, desire to express this love in a physical way, is it possible to channel the energy in a positive way without feeding the 4th level STS guys?

A: Nope.

Q: (L) In other words, no matter what you do, how you think, or whatever, that's where it goes?

A: Sex is a physical craving.

Also, there's this from the 8-28-1999 session:

Q: What did they decide about sex? I mean, sex was there. They were having sex. Is that it? Or, did they understand the cosmos as sex?

A: More like the former. After all, that is what got you guys in this mess in the first place! Just imagine the sales job if you can: "Look how much fun this is! Want to try it?!? Oops, sorry, we forgot to tell you, you cannot go back!"

Q: I really fail to understand - and I know it is a big issue that has been hinted at and alluded to, and outright claims have been made regarding sex in all religions and mythologies - but I fail to understand the mechanics of how this can be the engineering of a 'fall.' What, precisely, are the mechanics of it? What energy is generated? How is it generated? What is the conceptualization of the misuse of this energy, or the use of the energy?

A: It is simply the introduction of the concept of self-gratification of a physical sort.

Q: On many occasions you have said that the ideal thing is to have perfect balance of physicality and ethereality. This has been said on a number of occasions. Now, I don't understand how it can be that gratification of a physical body can be the mechanics by which one is entrapped? Is it not gratifying to look at something beautiful? Is it wrong, sinful, or a form of a fall, to look at beauty, to hear something beautiful such as music, or to touch something that is sensually delightful such as a piece of silk or the skin of a loved one? These various things that the human being derives pleasure from very often elevate them to a spiritual state.

A: Possession is the key.

Q: What do you mean?

A: In STS, you possess.

Q: That's what I am saying here...

A: If you move through the beautiful flowers, the silk, the skin of another, but do not seek to possess...

Q: It seems to me that it is possible to experience all of these things, including sex, without the need or desire to possess; only to give. In which case, I still don't understand how it can be a mechanism for a 'fall.'

A: If it is desired, then the mechanism is not to give. Do you eat a piece of chocolate cake because it is good to give to the stomach?

Q: Well, you could!

A: No, in STS, which is your realm do not forget, one gives because of the pleasant sensation which results.

Q: Could it not be said that, if everything that exists is part of God, including the flesh, that if one gives to the flesh, without being attached to the giving, that it could be considered a giving to the 'All?'

A: Explain the process.

Q: For example: there are some people who like to suffer, because they believe that the flesh is sinful. That is a big thing that the Lizzies have instituted. For centuries they have wanted people to suffer, and they have made this big deal about sex and anything that might be considered pleasant or desirable should be denied, and that a person should suffer, and revel in their suffering. And, actually, making a person...

A: If one seeks to suffer, they do so in expectation of future reward. They desire to possess something in the end.

Q: What I am saying is: if a person can simply BE, in the doing and being of who and what they are, in simplicity; to become involved in doing everything as a meditation, or as a consecration, whether they are walking down the street and being at one with the air, the sunshine, the birds and trees and other people; in this state of oneness, doesn't that constitute a giving to the universe as giving oneself up as a channel for the universe to experience all these things?

A: Not if one is "feeling this oneness."

Q: We are what we are. Nature is nature. Progression is progression. And if people would just relax and be who and what they are in honesty, and do what is according to their nature without violating the Free Will of others, that this is a more pure form of being than doing things out of any feeling of expectation, or desire; to just BE, not want... just BE?

A: Yes, but STS does not do that.

Q: (A) From which I draw conclusions: if there STS around us, we cannot just...

A: You are all STS. If you were not, you would not be where you are.

Q: (A) There are those who are happy in the STS mode; and there are those who are trying to get out of the STS mode...

A: STO candidate.

Q: (A) These STO candidates cannot just simply BE, even theoretically, because then, STS would eat them.

A: No.

Q: Why not?

A: STS does not eat according to protocol.

Q: What does that mean?

A: What do you suppose?

Q: I have no idea!

A: STS "eats" whatever it wants to, if it is able.
 
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Here is something you may find interesting. Certain pathogenic infections can affect sexual behavior towards preference for masochistic behavior in the BDSM world.

My understanding has been that 4d STS can affect individual behavior through pathogens. This might be something to consider in your exploration of sex and hyperdimensional influence.
Do you know something about people obsessed with feet smell? Seriously, some people are just obsessed by it!
 
Do you know something about people obsessed with feet smell? Seriously, some people are just obsessed by it!

There is no doubt about that. mkrnhr recommended Caricature of Love, and this is a good first step toward understanding how it happens. But I would recommend other psychology books that may help with understanding how human being "tick". Here are some recommendations.

Regarding directing these questions to the C's, in general the rule of thumb is to try finding answers by ourselves by doing research, combined with a common sense. In this particular case all of your questions can be answered by doing research or using common sense.

Of course some questions can't be answered and it would be awesome to get pointers. Then it is ok to ask the C's, but the work should be done first, and then the questions should be answered in a proper way and without assumptions. :-)

1) Are such desires caused by discombobulated brain chemistry?

Probably that's what happens in most cases, along with other factors. For example, you can find information on the forum about people being sensitive toward the smell of nicotine, and it can be an indication of Candida overgrowth. Dealing with Candida overgrowth may help with that.

There are a lot of things like this, all kind of deficiencies or brain chemistry disbalances that can lead to various "abnormal" behavior. Not all of it is "deviant" of course.

Another "mundane" and "natural" example would be pregnancy, and how during pregnancy woman develop cravings for all kind of weird things and combinations. As usual the devil is in the details, and there is a need to be specific. But in your particular case I would advice to do more research, and you may get answers to your questions.

2) Are fetishes a signal of psychopathy or paedophilia?

Logically it depends on the fetish. Some of them are the result of brain chemistry imbalance and are transitory, and can be corrected. Some of them are a sign of some form of brain deformity, lesions, tumors, etc. Some of them are structural changes and are a sign of psychopathology of some sorts. For example, Anatomy of Violence speaks about that.

But understanding the cause doesn't negate the responsibility. Some fetishes are "harmless" and some are extremely harmful to the person or the society, so regardless of the cause, it shouldn't be allowed to be expressed freely. Again, all of this is common sense and depends on the "fetish".

3) The Cs had made clear sex is always a predatory act. All STS-driven. What about those who like being hurt? Are they also predators?

The question is phrased in a very incorrect way with a lot of wrong assumptions. As others recommended, you probably need to read the Wave first and other materials on the forum. Simply reading the transcripts prevents you from understanding the proper context and what kind of research went into all the questions.

5) Is there a surge of fetishes? Has it been caused by an action of the consortium? Why would they want that?

First you ask if there is a surge in fetishes, and then you assume that the answer will be "yes" and ask if it was caused by the consortium. This would be an example of a poorly phrased question.

Not sure about what fetishes you are talking about, but if you are talking about the "transgender epidemic", then there is this excerpt from 24 June 2023 session. And it actually kind of answers your questions. Or at least some of them. It also shows that there are various factors that may influence various deviations.

Q: (L) Are these human hybrid monsters, any of the people that are involved in this whole pedophile business?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Are they also involved in the gender transitioning of our young people?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) And you can tell from their pedophilic tendencies and their destruction of young people their monstrous nature?

A: Yes.

Q: (Joe) Does the presence of the weed killer atrazine in the food supply contribute to the increase in children and adolescents reporting as transgender.

A: Yes.

And just to reiterate, in case you will be driven to actually detail the fetishes or go into more details about that. I don't think it is warranted in this case, because it would be best to catch up on the basic psychology stuff, including the books that were already mentioned. This would already provide you with plenty of information and understanding. :-)
 
Regarding directing these questions to the C's, in general the rule of thumb is to try finding answers by ourselves by doing research, combined with a common sense. In this particular case all of your questions can be answered by doing research or using common sense.
Indeed. If you have been reading the transcripts you will have noticed that the Cs did not give answers to many of Laura's (and others') questions. Instead they were told to do more research first because the Cs don't give answers out like candy because that does not help the person grow in knowledge and being. They have said that several times in the transcripts.
 
The main sexual fetishes are BDSM and feet fetishism.
Source ?
I guess the following are suitable questions:
1) Are such desires caused by discombobulated brain chemistry?
(Long and detailed answer.)

About BDSM and other "deviant" sex practices, which had been for a looooong time beyond understanding for me, the most convincing "basic" explanation that I found (without really looking for it) was that of Stanislas Grof, in one of his book, in a section about the birth traumas and his theory called "basic perinatal matrices" (BPM).

So, IIRC, according to him, there are 4 phases of a "normal" childbirth :
0/ before the 1st contraction, in the womb, the foetus feels happy, unconditional love (and nurture) by the mother, etc. : associated with "oceanic consciousness"... Being "in paradise" ;
1/ Beginning of the labo(u)r, after the 1st contraction, and before the complete opening of the neck of the womb (cervix) : the foetus feels suddenly threatened, frightened, without being able to do anything : associated with helplessness and depression. Going down to hell.
2/ After the complete opening of the neck of the womb, through the vagina and before complete birth : now there is a potential way out (physically and metaphorically) : associated with intense emotions and combativeness. Something like a mix of the purgatory and last judgement...
3/ After the complete birth, the baby feels relief (no more in hell) but in a new state of exterior connexion/separation from the mother (no more in pure paradise as in the womb). Being born (again).

NB : there may be some complications for the foetus/baby, such as being "stuck" in the womb neck/vagina, being strangled by the umbilical cord, having a heart attack due to the intense or prolongated stress, etc.

So, from the subjective PoV of the foetus/baby, birth is like :
- dying (at least to your "aquatic" and symbiotic previous state)
- going through major stress, pain, fear, and other emotions (depression, anger, etc).

NB : some (or most or even all ?) foetus/babies going out of the womb through vagina feel not only pain and intense emotions, but also sexual arousal.
And they may be, during the labo(u)r or just after, in contact with blood, urine, f(a)eces...

So for some of these children, they may associate in their memory, sexual pleasure and :
- pain
- stress and other intense emotions
- helplessness
- being tied, strangled, etc.

That would explain why some people, to find sexual pleasure, need to simulate these conditions, either as a victim (then identifying as the powerless foetus/baby) and/or the persecutor (then identifying as the mother, and/or the people assisting/helping like MD ???).

Or why others find sexual pleasure in being covered by urine, f(a)eces, blood... (and maybe sperm ?)

That would even explain, from a pure physiological/psychological PoV (without discussing the spiritual side), why the "satanic" / ritualistic rapers/torturers/murderers find so great pleasure and power in their sadistic acts : they "exorcize" their own (traumatic) birth...
2) Are fetishes a signal of psychopathy or paedophilia?
From the PoV described supra, (and from what I've heard elsewhere) : I doubt it.
Human psychism is complex !
3) The Cs had made clear sex is always a predatory act. All STS-driven.
Are you sure ?
To change your mind about this, please listen to this part of the recent interview of Laura :
What about those who like being hurt? Are they also predators?
Independently of what I've described supra, they may feed the STS energetic predators...
5) Is there a surge of fetishes?
Don't know.
Looks like there is a surge of BDSM (but I have no figures about it).
The porn industry is probably a part of it...

But also, according to Michel Odent, a French MD living in London, UK, and one the best experts in the world of "physiologically respectful" birth, since WW2, in Occidental countries (the Netherlands being an exception) most of the women go to hospital to give birth, and there they are generally highly ignorant of the natural/physiological process and do the contrary of what is required for the mother :
- staying at home or in a well-known environment ;
- being secure, not feeling stressed ;
- feeling warm, not cold ;
- no noises, dim lights, no talking, no people around -- just a "wise" older woman, in a meditative state, knitting...
- choosing by herself the most confortable posture, whatever it may be,
etc.

So due to this ignorance (and false "skillfullness"), they creates almost each time the conditions of a traumatic birth !
And as it goes generally wrong (due to their own wrong-doing), they then are able to justify their usefullness, if not necessity, by transforming childbirth, which is (and should stay, for most of the cases) a natural event*, in a medical and/or surgical event !
* Remember that, for childbirth, mothers are "female mammals" like any other ! (Sorry ladies ! :-[ We, men, are mammals too.)

So, from this PoV, if you're born in an hospital, there are chances that your birth were not "natural", fluid, and then traumatic for you, as a baby, and for your mother. And, over time, it's getting generally worse and worse (spread of epidural, episiotomy, caesarean section*, etc.), even if in some (rares) places/services it gets better and better.

* NB : according to M. Odent, caesarean section is OK if really needed and done after the beginning of the contractions (for hormonal reasons).

To conclude, there is probably a surge in artificial/dysfunctional/traumatic births, and maybe so (proportionnally ???) in BDSM and other "deviant" sexual practices...
And it's reinforced by the porn industry, and maybe other influences (like "sex-positive" BDSM-friendly, queer things...).
Has it been caused by an action of the consortium? Why would they want that ?
There may have "influences" to keep the medical world ignorant and wrong-doing, in order to have more people traumatized at birth, and so mentally and physically "twisted", sometimes for the rest of their lives... Giving worse physical and mental healths.
So more suffering (and "feeding" for STS), more weaknesses, etc.

PS for MD, midwives, hospital staff, etc. : sorry if what I described was too much "black & white" :-[.
Before replying, please get informed on M. Odent's work : WombEcology.com
In the domain of childbirth, like in others, "knowledge protects". 😉
 
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Erratum : for Stanislav Grof's theory of Basic Perinatal Matrices (BPM), the 4 stages are numbered from 1 to 4 (and not 0 to 3)...
Also I may have oversimplified these stages... (Cf. infra some other ressources for better explanations.)

Ressources :
(Knowing that he was, as a psychiatrist, a pioneer in the use of LSD for psychotherapy, in his native country and then in the USA before LSD use became illegal ; after that, to replace it, he created holotropic breathwork.)

1/ He authored this document explaining the 4 stages of birth (and associated BPM), and relating to them mental illnesses, suicides, etc.
Excerpt tackling the subject of sadomasochism :
Stanislav Grof said:
Several important manifestations of sexual deviations seem to be directly related to BPM III. This is especially true for sadomasochistic phenomena, characterized by a peculiar fusion of aggressive and libidinal feelings. This combination represents an essential part of the third perinatal matrix and has probably a very natural physiological basis; one such possibility would be for example, simultaneous activation of limbic structures related to self-preservation and those related to preservation of the species or spillover of neuronal excitation from the former to the later.

An attempt to explain these phenomena within the usual psychoanalytic framework presented special difficulties as exemplified by Freud's study, Beyond the Pleasure Principles. The specific features of sadomasochistic manifestations as well as the close relation between their sadistic and masochistic aspect are well understandable from the nature of the third perinatal matrix.

The alternation between the role of the suffering victim and the cruel aggressor, as well as suffering culminating and transcending into ecstasy, are both very characteristic and typical for this matrix. Even if it is most clearly expressed in sadomasochistic patients, the potential to transcend extreme suffering into ecstasy seems to be inherent to the human nature.

It was described not only for martyr deaths of saints in Middle Ages, but also in modern time under such conditions as torturing the prisoners by the Nazis or Japanese soldiers. It is also interesting to mention in this connection that intense physical suffering has been frequently used in the past as prerequisite for religious ecstasy (which is also typical for experiences related to BPM III). So, for example, flagellants of all ages used cruel whipping and other forms of self-torture and automutilation as a means for achieving religious enlightenment. According to the description the suffering often changed into pleasant excitement not dissimilar to sexual feelings and finally culminated in religious ecstasy. The pictures of processions of flagellants often appeared in LSD sessions dominated by BPM Ill.
(Off-topic : BTW, he continues with his views on male and female homosexuality.)
(...)
Severe sexual neuroses such as frigidity, impotence and orgastic impotence seem to be based in last analysis on the similarity between the pattern of sexual orgasm and the birth agony (BPM III). The orgastic ability seems to be blocked by strong admixture of aggression in the form of sadomasochistic impulses and vital anxiety attached to the birth trauma. In general the ability of final relaxation and satisfaction after the orgasm is deeply related to the ability to achieve feelings of peaceful ecstasy in the LSD sessions (BPM I and IV) and is greatly enhanced, whenever the subject reaches this level of LSD psychotherapy.

For a better explanation of the four stages of childbirth / four BPM, here are some slides.
(And in a Charles Eiseinstein's book, this chapter includes some philosophical reflexions inspired by the BPM...)
 
Source ?

(Long and detailed answer.)

About BDSM and other "deviant" sex practices, which had been for a looooong time beyond understanding for me, the most convincing "basic" explanation that I found (without really looking for it) was that of Stanislas Grof, in one of his book, in a section about the birth traumas and his theory called "basic perinatal matrices" (BPM).

So, IIRC, according to him, there are 4 phases of a "normal" childbirth :
0/ before the 1st contraction, in the womb, the foetus feels happy, unconditional love (and nurture) by the mother, etc. : associated with "oceanic consciousness"... Being "in paradise" ;
1/ Beginning of the labo(u)r, after the 1st contraction, and before the complete opening of the neck of the womb (cervix) : the foetus feels suddenly threatened, frightened, without being able to do anything : associated with helplessness and depression. Going down to hell.
2/ After the complete opening of the neck of the womb, through the vagina and before complete birth : now there is a potential way out (physically and metaphorically) : associated with intense emotions and combativeness. Something like a mix of the purgatory and last judgement...
3/ After the complete birth, the baby feels relief (no more in hell) but in a new state of exterior connexion/separation from the mother (no more in pure paradise as in the womb). Being born (again).

NB : there may be some complications for the foetus/baby, such as being "stuck" in the womb neck/vagina, being strangled by the umbilical cord, having a heart attack due to the intense or prolongated stress, etc.

So, from the subjective PoV of the foetus/baby, birth is like :
- dying (at least to your "aquatic" and symbiotic previous state)
- going through major stress, pain, fear, and other emotions (depression, anger, etc).

NB : some (or most or even all ?) foetus/babies going out of the womb through vagina feel not only pain and intense emotions, but also sexual arousal.
And they may be, during the labo(u)r or just after, in contact with blood, urine, f(a)eces...

So for some of these children, they may associate in their memory, sexual pleasure and :
- pain
- stress and other intense emotions
- helplessness
- being tied, strangled, etc.

That would explain why some people, to find sexual pleasure, need to simulate these conditions, either as a victim (then identifying as the powerless foetus/baby) and/or the persecutor (then identifying as the mother, and/or the people assisting/helping like MD ???).

Or why others find sexual pleasure in being covered by urine, f(a)eces, blood... (and maybe sperm ?)

That would even explain, from a pure physiological/psychological PoV (without discussing the spiritual side), why the "satanic" / ritualistic rapers/torturers/murderers find so great pleasure and power in their sadistic acts : they "exorcize" their own (traumatic) birth...

From the PoV described supra, (and from what I've heard elsewhere) : I doubt it.
Human psychism is complex !

Are you sure ?
To change your mind about this, please listen to this part of the recent interview of Laura :

Independently of what I've described supra, they may feed the STS energetic predators...

Don't know.
Looks like there is a surge of BDSM (but I have no figures about it).
The porn industry is probably a part of it...

But also, according to Michel Odent, a French MD living in London, UK, and one the best experts in the world of "physiologically respectful" birth, since WW2, in Occidental countries (the Netherlands being an exception) most of the women go to hospital to give birth, and there they are generally highly ignorant of the natural/physiological process and do the contrary of what is required for the mother :
- staying at home or in a well-known environment ;
- being secure, not feeling stressed ;
- feeling warm, not cold ;
- no noises, dim lights, no talking, no people around -- just a "wise" older woman, in a meditative state, knitting...
- choosing by herself the most confortable posture, whatever it may be,
etc.

So due to this ignorance (and false "skillfullness"), they creates almost each time the conditions of a traumatic birth !
And as it goes generally wrong (due to their own wrong-doing), they then are able to justify their usefullness, if not necessity, by transforming childbirth, which is (and should stay, for most of the cases) a natural event*, in a medical and/or surgical event !
* Remember that, for childbirth, mothers are "female mammals" like any other ! (Sorry ladies ! :-[ We, men, are mammals too.)

So, from this PoV, if you're born in an hospital, there are chances that your birth were not "natural", fluid, and then traumatic for you, as a baby, and for your mother. And, over time, it's getting generally worse and worse (spread of epidural, episiotomy, caesarean section*, etc.), even if in some (rares) places/services it gets better and better.

* NB : according to M. Odent, caesarean section is OK if really needed and done after the beginning of the contractions (for hormonal reasons).

To conclude, there is probably a surge in artificial/dysfunctional/traumatic births, and maybe so (proportionnally ???) in BDSM and other "deviant" sexual practices...
And it's reinforced by the porn industry, and maybe other influences (like "sex-positive" BDSM-friendly, queer things...).

There may have "influences" to keep the medical world ignorant and wrong-doing, in order to have more people traumatized at birth, and so mentally and physically "twisted", sometimes for the rest of their lives... Giving worse physical and mental healths.
So more suffering (and "feeding" for STS), more weaknesses, etc.

PS for MD, midwives, hospital staff, etc. : sorry if what I described was too much "black & white" :-[.
Before replying, please get informed on M. Odent's work : WombEcology.com
In the domain of childbirth, like in others, "knowledge protects". 😉
Thanks for your answers!
As for the sources, this one claims foot fetishism is the most common.

As for BDSM, there is this specifically about the Finnish population.
 
Some psychologist believe that fetishes can be sign of inablity of creating natural bounds beetwen people.

Some believe that viruses or parasites can manipulate human behovior.

There are also astral beings that also could be considlered as "mind viruses". If we add that 4D STS beings can manipulate 3D beings, then you have more clues.

I recomend reading books about psychology, psychitary and sexuology. There are many tips in this books.
 
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