Malaysian Airlines Flight 17 Crashes in Ukraine


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This is nuts and like a giant billboard falling if will be confirmed. :shock: I am listening to Russian 24 news, and right now they announced breaking news, that Malaysia Airlines plane crushed on it's way toward Russian territory. But it fell before crossing the border on the Ukrainian territory. There were over 200 people there. But the reporter said, that the news are still unconfirmed. And there is nothing on the net yet.

ADDED: Here's the link to the news about it:


Russian Media: A Malaysian Passenger Plane Crashed In East Ukraine

A Boeing 777 Malaysian airlines crashed in Ukraine near the Russian border, Interfax is reporting, citing "a source in the aviation circles."
"Boeing Malaysian airlines operate flights to Amsterdam — Kuala Lumpur for 50 miles before entering the airspace of Russia, began to decline, he was subsequently found burning on the ground in Ukraine," the source said, adding that 280 passengers and 15 crew members were onboard.

Military expert Dmitry Tymchuk says the Malaysia Airlines plane crashed to the north of Torez in the Donetsk region, according to Ukrainian journalist Myroslava.

The area is controlled by pro-Russian separatists who are fighting the Ukrainian army.

On July 8, the State Aviation Administration of Ukraine closed the airspace to civilian aircraft after a military transport plane was shot down.

The aircraft reportedly had to cross the Russian border at about 9:30 EDT.

Ukrainian activists tweeted a map where they say

By the way, the title of the video says, that the plane was shut down, but there is nothing about it in the article. That's supposedly the video of the smoke from the plane.
The reporter right now says, that right before entering the Russian territory, the plane started to lose height and then crushed. They don't say anything about him being shut down or anything. But it is confirmed, that all 280 people are dead. Seriously, considering what C's said about the first Malaysia Airlines plane that disappeared, this is just crazy. Couldn't be more obvious than this.,34301.msg481380.html#msg481380
Q: (L) You mean they had plans to be more aggressive and “in-their-faces”, and they... (Perceval) Why would the disappearance of the plane make them scared or make them back down? Was it "comedown", was that what was said? Like a retreat. So, basically the PTB backed down on Crimea and Russia and that whole situation because the plane disappeared and they were worried about...? (Pierre) So, if you lie too much, if you create too much chaos, like unjustified war, you might increase such a bleedthrough?

A: They have "advisors" and "interpretors" of such things.

Q: (Pierre) So the advisors said if they go on with the attack, and with lying and manipulating... (L) I don't think they would say that. (Perceval) They wouldn't spell it out. (L) I don't think that they would talk to them in those terms. (Pierre) What would they say? (L) Probably say something like, I dunno... Maybe they have some advisors and interpreters who say, "We did that, and if you don't back down, we're gonna do more!" Ya know, like threatening rather than explaining to them how to be good boys.

A: More or less.

Q: (L) I mean, we would all like to think that there would be some high and mighty power in the world that would tell the psychopaths, "Oh, if you keep creating chaos, you're gonna screw things up! You're a bad boy!" But that's not likely to happen because it would just be, ya know... (Perceval) You get into the idea of different levels of power here. People are doing the whole overt Crimea thing. And they have advisors and maybe they suspect that there's a higher power like the ones that blew up the Columbia space shuttle for Bush and stuff. They ascribe this plane incident to "them", and interpret it in some way like, "Let's back off" kind of thing. Like the way they alluded to this idea that there is a higher power that has vast technology and can influence the American government and its policies for example by sending a warning... So maybe the ones who take note of these things looked at this plane and said, "Maybe this is some kind of message to us."

A: There is likely to be a bit of interdimensional blackmail going on. How likely do you think it is for the "reality creating" US PTB to back down from their natural state of being the world's biggest bully?

Q: (Pierre) Why did those higher entities want the PTB to back down concerning Crimea and Russia?

A: They understand what the consequences are.
Crazy. Why was the plane flying over that airspace if it's been closed to civilian aircraft since July 8? Is it a false-flag against the Russians? Or did the Ukrainians think it was a Russian plane and shoot it down, since it was a no-fly zone? Or did it just crash without being shot down? And why does the YouTube video say it was shot down when there are no reports of that yet?
Heimdallr said:
Crazy. Why was the plane flying over that airspace if it's been closed to civilian aircraft since July 8? Is it a false-flag against the Russians? Or did the Ukrainians think it was a Russian plane and shoot it down, since it was a no-fly zone? Or did it just crash without being shot down? And why does the YouTube video say it was shot down when there are no reports of that yet?

Just heard on the news, that pro-Russian forces deny shooting it down, and say that the weapons they have can't reach the height Boing planes usually fly at. They can reach only at 3-4 km, when Malaysia Airlines plane flew at 10 km. They say, that these were probably Ukrainian forces. The plane was shot down only 60 km from Russia.

ADDED: They don't know exactly where it fell, because it is a war zone now, and there are contradictory reports.
Now we are probably going to have "war of claims"; for a week or two.

One side will have their definite proofs that other side did it, and vice verca.

With irony - if pro-ru freedom figters say that they didn't do it - I will sure belive they didn't.

Additional coverage can be found here: _

Most of it is in Dutch but the tweets are in English and some sources they linked to ditto.
OMG!!! :scared: I cannot even imagine what international consequences of this crash may be..
I am reading the Guardian updates. Both the Ukrainian military and the pro-Russian freedom fighters deny shooting down the plane. The Malaysian government says they don't know yet if it was indeed shot or what happened.

See below tweet from Reuters.

Edit: Update:

Bodies and wreckage found near Grabovo

Dozens of bodies and broken pieces of wing with MH17 colors have been found near the town of Grabovo, according to a Reuters correspondent.

Dozens of bodies were scattered around the smouldering wreckage of a passenger jet that crashed in eastern Ukraine on Thursday, a Reuters reporter said.

An emergency services rescue worker said at least 100 bodies had so far been found at the scene, near the village of Grabovo, and that debris from the wreckage was scattered across an area up to about 15km (nine miles) in diameter.

Broken pieces of the wings were marked with blue and red paint – the same colours as the emblem of the Malaysian airline which lost track of a flight from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur that was carrying almost 300 people.


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CorpusCallosum said:
Now we are probably going to have "war of claims"; for a week or two.

One side will have their definite proofs that other side did it, and vice verca.

Yeah, at least it's pretty clear what side The New York Times is on. From its breaking news update:

Malaysia Airlines Jet Crashes in Ukraine

A Malaysia Airlines flight with nearly 300 people aboard crashed over eastern Ukraine near the Russian border on Thursday, the Ukraine government and a regional European aviation official reported, and the Interfax news agency said it had been shot down.

Ukraine’s president, Petro O. Poroshenko, said in a statement that he was calling for an immediate investigation of the crashed flight, a Boeing 777.

He did not rule out that it might have been shot down.

Eastern Ukraine has been roiled for months by a violent pro-Russian political separatist movement.

And by the way, Russian news mentions other countries reactions, and they are all perplexed about this plane flying through the no-fly zone.
Yeap, this is where it's going - Russia did it.

Guardian latest update:

38s ago
The White House is in contact with Ukrainian officials, according to Reuters.

Paul Lewis in Washington, has comments from a senior US official on rebels' weapon capabilities.

On Wednesday, a senior official from Barack Obama's administration cited the shooting down of a Ukrainian jet earlier this week as evidence of Russia's escalating involvement in the conflict. The official, speaking on the condition of anonymity, suggested that the sophisticated weaponry that would have been required to down the transport jet, which was flying at high-altitude, on Monday, was likely to have been supplied across the Russian border.

Their full comments are below:

"Even in the face of all of this diplomacy that has been going on, and very high level efforts by us, and key members of the European Union - notably France, Germany and the UK - over the the past month the flow of heavy weapons and support for separatists from Russia has actually increased.

"You will have seen on social media over the last week convoys of Russian tanks, armoured personnel carriers, infantry combat vehicles, grad rocket launchers, howitzers, self-propelled mortars, flowing into Ukraine. On 14 July the Ukrainian's lost an AN-26 transport jet which was shot down from an altitude of 21,000 feet with eight crew onboard. And only very sophisticated weapons systems would be able to reach this height."


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Alana said:
Yeap, this is where it's going - Russia did it.

Oh dear :(

Interesting as the flight is being reported as departing from Schiphol airport in Amsterdam which was mentioned numerous times in SOTT talk radio number 73 as being connected with many a faux terror operation including the 'Underwear Bomber', it's security being run by Israeli company ICTS.

Looks like yet another very deep rabbit-hole about to open up....
Is it possible for SOTT to filter/enhance the sound on this video? Can someone from our Russian forum tell if this translation is accurate? I feel this is our first and will be one of our most important pieces of evidence. Is and EMP burst traceable on radar or by any other means? We know China vowed to use them against their neighbors.
We translated this video to the best our ability, but the sound quality is poor:

“What’s going on?"

"It’s a plane. Look!"

"It means the pilot died. Yes."

"The plane!"

Then someone asks, “Why is everyone so excited?”

Another onlooker explains, "At first it was flying. It was coming from this side. It was flying, flying."

Another person chimes in, “It’s in a couple pieces. That’s what it seems like.”
Recent developements.

#Pentagon satellite already knows that it was shot down from Ru. territory

#But of course Vremja and other Ru. news channels already know that it was shot town by Ukie missile (the launcher was already shown in TV) or by Ukie SU-25


By the way Strelkov (separatist leader) boasted in 17.50 according to Moscow time, in Intenet (maybe here _ that they shot down another AN-26).


And this article talks about BUK missile complex that Donetsk freedom fighters have.

Now there's conflicting reports about whether the air space where the plane was flying when it disappeared from radar was open for civilian travel. One Ukrainian navigation service told RIA Novosti that the air corridor above 9,600 meters was open to civilian aircraft. The plane was at 10,600 meters when ground control lost contact.

A source with the Russian air traffic agency told ITAR-TASS that Ukraine's security agency decided to close the airspace above the Donetsk and Lugansk republics three days ago.

Pictures of the carnage here:

This video shows what could be the moment of impact:
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