"L'empathie" (video) - Empathy in the animal world
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Thanks for this Sankara. Beautiful! The clip of the hippo rescuing the impala from the crocodile is a well known clip. I saw it on TV when I was little, and cried. I happened in 1971 in the Kruger National Park. The impala still died in the end, and the crocodile reclaimed its kill.
Here's the whole video with English commentary.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E51DyWl_q0c
I think elephants in particular are very strong 3rd density candidates.
_http://www.africapoint.com/newsletters/elephants.htm
They say an elephant never forgets. It's also interesting that hippos are the biggest killer of man in Africa, being herbivores. They are very territorial.
Here's the whole video with English commentary.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E51DyWl_q0c
I think elephants in particular are very strong 3rd density candidates.
_http://www.africapoint.com/newsletters/elephants.htm
They say an elephant never forgets. It's also interesting that hippos are the biggest killer of man in Africa, being herbivores. They are very territorial.
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Gertrudes
Guest
Yes, really beautiful Sankara, thank you for that :)
The excerpt makes me think of this post http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=14361.0 from Treesparrow, where Magpies also give signs of mourning their dead. It is usually easier for me to recognize behaviour assumed as more characteristically human in mammals, so it was interesting to see it in birds
E said:
The excerpt makes me think of this post http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=14361.0 from Treesparrow, where Magpies also give signs of mourning their dead. It is usually easier for me to recognize behaviour assumed as more characteristically human in mammals, so it was interesting to see it in birds
Erna,
Thank for the link about the elephant. It is to sad that mankind and elephant are now in competition...Like a friend of mine said: "You westerners protect elephant (it's true we are usually less concerned with the human problems in Africa and sometimes it is kind of an offense for Africans) but have you ever checked how much an elephant eat per day, have you ever imagine the damages they can make on our field?"
Of course the problem is not the elephant, but agro-industry that is accaparing land in much larger scale than the traditionnal peasants... So the land pressure and the confrontation may not be Peasants vs Elephants, but between Pathocrats and earthly biological creatures.
What about setting an alliance with the elephant against big corporates? ;)
As to the hippos, it is true they kill humans. They rarely do that intentionaly, but as you mention, they do protect their territory and progeny. I have heard many accounts of good human/hippo relations. In the village I have been living in, they is still a woman who can talk with the Hippos. Hippos are protected in Mali, so the authority do only kill hippos when they have became somehow enraged and start killing human, horses without being directly endangered. Before that ,they would ask the people able to talk with it to know why it has became violent.
I have had other accounts in Burkina about past relationships with hippos. The villagers would give them food (chicken) and the hippos would never hurt anybody, the children would even be able to travel and cross the lake on their back. But the guy who told me this story first (he is a judge) told me that all has been destroyed during the modern area. One day the soldiers came and shot hippos in front of the populations which has been deeply shocked by this. Ever since that time (1970's) the hippos stay away from mankind and even judges regret that time...
You might want to check this human/hippo battle on the Niger during 1950-51... Don't worry the hippo wins at last!
Respect
It is a most interesting document since we can witness communications with 'entities' at the begining of the doc...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8p6Zey_FoY&feature=related
Thank for the link about the elephant. It is to sad that mankind and elephant are now in competition...Like a friend of mine said: "You westerners protect elephant (it's true we are usually less concerned with the human problems in Africa and sometimes it is kind of an offense for Africans) but have you ever checked how much an elephant eat per day, have you ever imagine the damages they can make on our field?"
Of course the problem is not the elephant, but agro-industry that is accaparing land in much larger scale than the traditionnal peasants... So the land pressure and the confrontation may not be Peasants vs Elephants, but between Pathocrats and earthly biological creatures.
What about setting an alliance with the elephant against big corporates? ;)
As to the hippos, it is true they kill humans. They rarely do that intentionaly, but as you mention, they do protect their territory and progeny. I have heard many accounts of good human/hippo relations. In the village I have been living in, they is still a woman who can talk with the Hippos. Hippos are protected in Mali, so the authority do only kill hippos when they have became somehow enraged and start killing human, horses without being directly endangered. Before that ,they would ask the people able to talk with it to know why it has became violent.
I have had other accounts in Burkina about past relationships with hippos. The villagers would give them food (chicken) and the hippos would never hurt anybody, the children would even be able to travel and cross the lake on their back. But the guy who told me this story first (he is a judge) told me that all has been destroyed during the modern area. One day the soldiers came and shot hippos in front of the populations which has been deeply shocked by this. Ever since that time (1970's) the hippos stay away from mankind and even judges regret that time...
You might want to check this human/hippo battle on the Niger during 1950-51... Don't worry the hippo wins at last!
Respect
It is a most interesting document since we can witness communications with 'entities' at the begining of the doc...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8p6Zey_FoY&feature=related
That one reminds me of "Christian the Lion." And thanks for the link sankara. :)
Ellypse,
It's not that I thaught that the text was unimportant, but sending a link in French on an international forum made me think first. What if our Polish, Turkish, Vietnamese, Japanese, Afrikaaner, Congolese...friends started sending material in their own language? Gloup!
Maybe we could translate it if their isn't an english version of that document... Give news about that. Translating is an important part of sharing with others while using your own langage and so keep it be a living langage. (that was off subject of course)
Heimdalir, Vulcan59 thank for the link, I'll bring this one and Christian in Africa... Villagers will love it.
Respect
It's not that I thaught that the text was unimportant, but sending a link in French on an international forum made me think first. What if our Polish, Turkish, Vietnamese, Japanese, Afrikaaner, Congolese...friends started sending material in their own language? Gloup!
Maybe we could translate it if their isn't an english version of that document... Give news about that. Translating is an important part of sharing with others while using your own langage and so keep it be a living langage. (that was off subject of course)
Heimdalir, Vulcan59 thank for the link, I'll bring this one and Christian in Africa... Villagers will love it.
Respect
Sankara said:
It is, but don't worry, there are good guys out there as well, tipping the scale slightly in favour of the elephants. Good deeds are just not newsworthy; "if it bleeds, it leads"... Interestingly, Sunday evening they had a short documentary about the very elusive elephants in the Knysna forest, the most 'Southern' elephants on the continent. They said an elephant's ear is like the human fingerprint, no two are the same. So they photograph the ear with a zoom lens and file it in a database, and that's how they will always be able to differentiate them.
Sankara said:
Just for clarity's sake, it's minus one a. Our language is Afrikaans (2 as), but we refer to ourselves as Afrikaners (1 a). :)
spyraal
Jedi Master
Hello,
I came up this very touching video about empathy in the animal world, which i thought it would be nice to share for all of us animal friends here... ;)
If animals are capable of such empathy, i really wonder sometimes from what "stuff" is humanity made off after all...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Y9BmOBhTy8&feature=player_embedded
Thank you,
:)
I came up this very touching video about empathy in the animal world, which i thought it would be nice to share for all of us animal friends here... ;)
If animals are capable of such empathy, i really wonder sometimes from what "stuff" is humanity made off after all...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Y9BmOBhTy8&feature=player_embedded
Thank you,
:)
G
Gertrudes
Guest
That was amazing spyraal, Thank you.
