Israel official: Strike on Iran possible

PopHistorian said:
Gotta love that, "might be forced to launch a military strike." We just can't help it! We have no choice! Same thing that came out of the GW Bush administration.

A blast from the past, with the the devils :evil: is in the details. ( please excuse the puns ) Admirably, Fallon made it clear that he would have no part in the psychotic, and psychopathic insanity.

Admiral Fallon's "No Iran War" Line Angered White House
Published on Saturday, March 8, 2008
http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2008/03/08/7564

WASHINGTON --
A new article on CENTCOM commander Adm. William Fallon confirms that his public statements last fall ruling out war against Iran last fall were not coordinated with the White House and landed him in trouble more than once with President George W. Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney.

In an admiring article on Fallon in Esquire, former Pentagon official Thomas P.M. Barnett writes that Fallon angered the White House by "brazenly challenging" Bush on his aggressive threat of war against Tehran. Barnett also cites "well-placed observers" as saying Bush may soon replace Fallon with a "more pliable" commander.

Barnett's account, which quotes conversations with Fallon during the CENTCOM commander's trips to the Middle East, shows that Fallon privately justified his statements contradicting the Bush policy of keeping the "option" of an unprovoked attack on Iran "on the table" as necessary to calm the fears of Egypt and other friendly Arab regimes of a U.S.-Iran war.

Barnett recalls that when Fallon was in Cairo in November, the lead story in that day's edition of the English-language daily Egyptian Gazette carried the headline "U.S. Rules Out Strike against Iran" over a picture of Fallon meeting with President Hosni Mubarak.

That story, published Nov. 19 and not picked up by any U.S. news media, reported that Fallon had "ruled out a possible strike against Iran and said Washington was mulling non-military options instead."

Later that day, according to Barnett, Fallon told him during a coffee break in a military meeting, "I'm in hot water again," and then confirmed that his problems were directly with the White House.

That was the second time in less than a week and the third time in seven weeks that Fallon had publicly declared that there would be no war against Iran. In an interview with Al-Jazeera television in September, which Fallon himself had requested, according to a source at Al-Jazeera, he had said, "This constant drum beat of conflict is what strikes me which is not helpful and not useful".

And only a week before the trip to Egypt, in an interview with Financial Times, Fallon had said, a military strike was not "in the offing", adding, "Another war is just not where we want to go."

These statements represented an extraordinary exercise of power by a combat commander, because it contradicted a central feature of the Bush-Cheney strategy on Iran. High-ranking Bush administration officials had been routinely repeating the administration's line that no option had been taken "off the table" since early 2005.

At an Oct. 17 news conference, Bush said he had "told people that if you're interested in avoiding World War III, it seems like you ought to be interested in preventing them from having the knowledge necessary to make a nuclear weapon."

Fallon's public statements explicitly ruling out an attack on Iran thus undermined the Bush administration's threat against Iran.

The willingness of the top commander in the Middle East to take the military option "off the table" was in part a reflection of the determination of uniformed military leaders to prevent what they regarded as a disastrous course.

The new chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Adm. Mike Mullen, who replaced Gen. Peter Pace in June, was even more candid about his opposition to the use of force against Iran than Pace had been, according to a Congressional staffer who had participated in private meetings with both. Pace declared publicly in late October, "We have to be mindful of the risks that would [be spawned] by engaging in a third conflict" in the region.

Mullen added, however, that military options "cannot be taken off the table".

But Fallon, as the commander responsible for the entire Middle East, was concerned about more than the consequences of actually exercising the military option. He was prompted to enunciate a "no-war" line on Iran by the panicky reactions of Arab states to what they thought were indications of the warlike intentions of Bush administration.

In the latter half of 2007 friendly Arab regimes were upset by the possibility of a U.S.-Iran war, which they feared would destabilise the entire region. Fallon is quoted as telling Barnett, "t's all anyone wants to talk about right now. People here hear what I'm saying and understand. I don't want to get them too spun up."

Fallon told Barnett that his ruling out of military action against Iran was necessary to calm the very regimes the Bush administration was hoping to enlist to support its anti-Iran line. "Washington interprets this as all aimed at them," Fallon said in Cairo, according to Barnett. "Instead, it's aimed at governments and media in this region. I'm not talking about the White House."

Fallon was arguing, in effect, that it makes no sense to make the possibility of an unprovoked attack part of your declaratory policy if merely induces confusion and panic among friendly governments without influencing the target of the threat.

Barnett quotes Fallon as complaining that "they" -- meaning White House officials -- were asking him, "Why are you even meeting with Mubarak?" But Fallon strongly defended the diplomatic role he was playing in relations with Mubarak and other Middle Eastern leaders. "This is my centre of gravity," Fallon told him. "This is my job."

Fallon's sensitivity to the political-diplomatic consequences of a declaratory policy that explicitly keeps open the threat of an aggressive war as a potential option set him apart not only the White House but from the consensus among national security specialists in both parties. In early 2007, all three of the top three Democratic contenders for the presidential nomination publicly declared their support for keeping "all options on the table".

Fallon is not the first CENTCOM commander to rein in aggressive White House policy toward the Middle East. In late 1997, according to Dana Priest's book, "The Mission", the Bill Clinton White House wanted CENTCOM commander Gen. Anthony Zinni to order his pilots to provoke a military confrontation with Iraq in the no-fly zone by deliberately drawing fire from Iraqi planes.

The request for such a provocation was conveyed to Zinni by the vice chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Gen. Joseph Ralston. But Zinni, who believed that it could lead to an unwanted war with Iraq, insisted that a formal request from the White House would have to be sent, and the plan was dropped.

The unhappiness of the Bush administration with Fallon's role as well as the unflattering picture of administration policy revealed by the article was evident Thursday from the failure of either the White House or the Pentagon to issue the usual reassuring statements in response to the article.

The White House declined to comment, although, according to the Washington Post's Thomas Ricks, the article "was being discussed there". The Pentagon spokesman, Geoff Morrell, said Secretary of Defence Robert M. Gates "has read the profile on Admiral Fallon but chooses not to comment on it or other press accounts."


Gareth Porter is an historian and national security policy analyst. The paperback edition of his latest book, "Perils of Dominance: Imbalance of Power and the Road to War in Vietnam", was published in 2006.

War With Iran By George Galloway
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transientP said:
i understand.

i'm still getting the hang of coalescing threads in the forum. :)

is there a specific marker that shows when threads are joined ?

If by joining, you mean merging one thread with another one on the same topic, whichever mod/admin did the merge, usually lets it be known that this was done.
"I" posted here after doing a search on the forum, and finding this thread, since "I" know the mods & administrators like to keep a clean and organized house, and so do "I."

With that said, see this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGsReGbbwhg&feature=youtu.be

It seems WW3, which started with the invasion of Afghanistan, and spread all over the world, is about to enter its most bloody &
destructive stage.

With Gerald Celente calling for economic collapse anywhere from end of 2011 - beginning of 2012, and all the ratcheting up of not so covert attacks against both Syria & Iran by everyone knows who. The stage has been set, and it would go something like this, false flag event leading to outright military confrontation, whether Syria VS Israel or Iran Vs Israel or both simultaneously remains to be seen, but attacking Syria will draw Iran in. So false flag done, conventional war started, will the US join in the fray? or will they let Israel hang itself, but all the while promising assistance, remains to be seen.

The US & Europe will be dealing with total economic collapse, and will be busy handling dissidents, "terrorists" & "enemy combatants." Of course martial law will already have been declared, especially in the US, the activation of FEMA facilities indicates that they are preparing for something. So no "elections" next year for the US (has there ever been?) all the bread & circus was show for the sheeple (think Rome in its final days, exactly the same pattern, then it was gladiators in massively economicly draining artifices called colosseums, know it is the media, and its whores ie politicians, celebrities, etc). Obama is an excellent mind controlled puppet, no use in wasting a good automaton, if it ain't broke don't fix it as they say

But all this is merely distraction, the mass of normal people are awakening across the globe, and the psychopaths sense and know this. So they need to redirect the energies into something else before a crtitical mass is reached, and traditionally a big period of reciprocal destruction has done the trick. Whether it will work this time remains to be seen. Anyway, this is just how "I" see the picture at the moment.
 
bngenoh,

why have you chosen to put all your i's in quotation marks ?
am i missing some intended subtext ? :/

at this point, i've read so much and thought so much about the near future's possible wars, i feel somewhat desensitized about it all.
of course it's possible, and of course it's criminal and dangerous, but i guess 'they' are going to do what they like one way or another.
IMO, protesting against war isn't going to get anyone anywhere anytime soon. protests don't change psychopaths' plans.

so yes, there are immanent threats everywhere. but are we supposed to all clutch our stomachs until we all get ulcers over it ?

another thing i think people need to keep in mind, is that 'iran', 'israel', 'syria' and other 'countries' are mostly inhabited by non-aggressive individuals. 'israel' doesn't go to war... it's army does. the 'united states of america' doesn't go to war, it's military does.
the problem is that armies don't stick to just killing each other, and this is where fear-mongering / monopolizing on public opinion and feelings comes in.

most people in the world just want to go to work and feed their families and are not interested in going to war with anyone.
anyone who is well traveled or is a keen observer knows this.
the percentage of people actually pressing the buttons of the war machine is very very small and i think most of them act out of fear and ignorance. my bet is that the ones actually acting out of pure 'malice' with knowledge and conscious choice to cause turmoil are very few indeed.

my point is.. anything could happen, the exact details of what transpires aren't important, they are just minutiae.

why waste your time dealing with minutiae when you could utilize it towards self-work / helping others who ask ?
and i'm not asking you that question in a disrespectful way.
i would really like to know if you find consuming and mulling over all these war scenarios so important, if so why ?
and is it more important than self-work ?
 
transientP said:
bngenoh,

why have you chosen to put all your i's in quotation marks ?
am i missing some intended subtext ? :/
because "I" am still man with quotation marks, and not man, that is I without. It is an exercise so that in every moment, "I" do not forget the path that "I" am on.
at this point, i've read so much and thought so much about the near future's possible wars, i feel somewhat desensitized about it all.
of course it's possible, and of course it's criminal and dangerous, but i guess 'they' are going to do what they like one way or another.
IMO, protesting against war isn't going to get anyone anywhere anytime soon. protests don't change psychopaths' plans.

so yes, there are immanent threats everywhere. but are we supposed to all clutch our stomachs until we all get ulcers over it ?

another thing i think people need to keep in mind, is that 'iran', 'israel', 'syria' and other 'countries' are mostly inhabited by non-aggressive individuals. 'israel' doesn't go to war... it's army does. the 'united states of america' doesn't go to war, it's military does.
the problem is that armies don't stick to just killing each other, and this is where fear-mongering / monopolizing on public opinion and feelings comes in.
Yes, the armies are the ones that go to war, but the armies are composed of people of those nations, albeit brainwashed, it is still those people CHOOSING to give their autonomy away to someone else, and doing watever they are told. It is a CHOICE, and all choices have their consequences.
most people in the world just want to go to work and feed their families and are not interested in going to war with anyone.
anyone who is well traveled or is a keen observer knows this.
the percentage of people actually pressing the buttons of the war machine is very very small and i think most of them act out of fear and ignorance. my bet is that the ones actually acting out of pure 'malice' with knowledge and conscious choice to cause turmoil are very few indeed.
Yes, most people would ratherlive and let live than go out to who knows where, and kill people that they really know nothing about, except that this construct called the government says to kill em all. But see it doesn't matter what most people want, because if it did, the world wouldn't be in the situation it is in right know, about to jump head first into oblivion. The unmasking of pathology without goes hand in hand with SEEING it in oneself, and is an intergal part of work on oneself. osit
my point is.. anything could happen, the exact details of what transpires aren't important, they are just minutiae.

why waste your time dealing with minutiae when you could utilize it towards self-work / helping others who ask ?
and i'm not asking you that question in a disrespectful way.
i would really like to know if you find consuming and mulling over all these war scenarios so important, if so why ?
and is it more important than self-work
?
To me nothing is more important than self-work right know, it has given purpose and direction to my life, and "I" could not be alive today without having discovered this path..

Bringing all these possible scenarios to light that is awareness, instead of it staying in the shadow of ignorance is of critical importance, because forewarned is forearmed. "I" beg to differ that "the exact details of what transpires aren't important," The details are of critical importance so that the lesson can be learned to its greatest depth.

Seeing all these events transpiring, it is not consuming me. On the contrary it is just choices that humanity is making in its ignorance of pathology both within and without. "I" see it as a great narrative that humanity is writing about itself, how exactly it will turn out? "I" don't know. "I' simply let each moment unfold the way it does, discerning what that moment has to teach me, and learning the lesson. Then "I" get online and see how the narrative that Earth humanity is authoring is transpiring. What happens, and how it happens, "I" don't know, but it is better to have some idea of the possible events to occur, and the probability of their happening so that one is prepared. Rather than fumbling around in the dark, and being tossed around by forces you know nothing about.
 
bngenoh,

Seeing all these events transpiring, it is not consuming me.

i did not in fact mean that you were consumed by the details but that you seem to be consuming them.

i would really like to know if you find consuming and mulling over all these war scenarios so important, if so why ?

having been in the army in the past (it is mandatory where i currently live), i would like to propose that even though the action of taking a life IS a choice, being sent out to war is not in most cases. you just find yourself smack in the middle of craziness.
some people lack the i without quotation marks, and are led by the hand into atrocities.

i respect your point of view and think i understand where you're coming from.

i agree that fumbling around in the dark gets no one nowhere.
 
transientP said:
bngenoh,

Seeing all these events transpiring, it is not consuming me.

i did not in fact mean that you were consumed by the details but that you seem to be consuming them.

Perhaps bngenoh is merely 'paying attention to reality left and right'? It's the same reason we have the Sott page - to pay attention to reality.

tp said:
having been in the army in the past (it is mandatory where i currently live), i would like to propose that even though the action of taking a life IS a choice, being sent out to war is not in most cases. you just find yourself smack in the middle of craziness.
some people lack the i without quotation marks, and are led by the hand into atrocities.

With mechanical man, everything 'just happens' - I think the point here is to become more than 'mechanical man'.
 
anart,

It's the same reason we have the Sott page - to pay attention to reality.
i agree.

that's why;
i respect your point of view and think i understand where you're coming from.

i agree that fumbling around in the dark gets no one nowhere.

i think it's most important we know what is unfolding around us, i do not however feel we should lock onto one facet of reality and only delve into it, leaving knowledge on other facets in want. some people tend to focus only on stories about extra-terrestrials for instance, or solely on chemicals found in packaged foodstuffs.

so, maybe the point is to keep up to date, without trying to anticipate unfolding of events ?
or rather, to mentally envision all the upcoming possibilities, but to try and not pick the ones that we like or dislike ?


about;
Quote from: tp

having been in the army in the past (it is mandatory where i currently live), i would like to propose that even though the action of taking a life IS a choice, being sent out to war is not in most cases. you just find yourself smack in the middle of craziness.
some people lack the i without quotation marks, and are led by the hand into atrocities.

With mechanical man, everything 'just happens' - I think the point here is to become more than 'mechanical man'.

please understand; for many people every day, it is either get drafted or go to jail.
of course the point is to to overcome mechanical modes as much as possible and as frequently as possible, but what are these men and women to do ?
i think many armies, and especially in countries in which service is mandatory, have an understanding that people need to be reigned in as young as possible.
most of them have never even heard of The Work in any way shape or form and they are drafted at such young ages. ages in which their minds have not yet formed 'adult personalities' or independent thinking.
 
transientP said:
i think it's most important we know what is unfolding around us, i do not however feel we should lock onto one facet of reality and only delve into it, leaving knowledge on other facets in want.

I don't see anyone doing that or suggesting that. Can you point out who is doing it or suggesting it?

tp said:
some people tend to focus only on stories about extra-terrestrials for instance, or solely on chemicals found in packaged foodstuffs.

I don't see anyone here doing either.


tp said:
so, maybe the point is to keep up to date, without trying to anticipate unfolding of events ?
or rather, to mentally envision all the upcoming possibilities, but to try and not pick the ones that we like or dislike ?

I think the point is very simple - awareness. Being aware and vigilant and that means paying attention to everything, even the things you don't like.


tp said:
please understand; for many people every day, it is either get drafted or go to jail.

You completely missed my point.


tp said:
of course the point is to to overcome mechanical modes as much as possible and as frequently as possible, but what are these men and women to do ?

That wasn't my point. My point is that EVERYTHING just happens to mechanical man - war, the army, love, marriage, death. I pointed that out because you seem to be missing the larger picture.

tp said:
i think many armies, and especially in countries in which service is mandatory, have an understanding that people need to be reigned in as young as possible.
most of them have never even heard of The Work in any way shape or form and they are drafted at such young ages. ages in which their minds have not yet formed 'adult personalities' or independent thinking.

The vast, vast majority of humanity has never heard of the Work and will never hear of the Work - that is simply the state of reality on this planet. My point is that for you to say that these people have no choice to join the army implies that they have choice for anything at all, which they don't - not in the default state of being that is mechanical man. In other words, you seem to be splitting hairs a bit on your statements about the army, and I'm not really sure why that is, other than personal experience and identification. I was merely trying to provide another way of looking at it.
 
anart,

That wasn't my point. My point is that EVERYTHING just happens to mechanical man - war, the army, love, marriage, death. I pointed that out because you seem to be missing the larger picture.

i understand.

In other words, you seem to be splitting hairs a bit on your statements about the army, and I'm not really sure why that is, other than personal experience and identification.

no, but ok.
:shock:

why splitting hairs ?

maybe i missed your point entirely..
With mechanical man, everything 'just happens' - I think the point here is to become more than 'mechanical man'.
so this was just meant to be a general statement;
was your point that mechanical man acts mechanically ?
and that man should strive to rid him/herself of mechanic behavior ?
but isn't that obvious.. ?
:-/
 
transientP said:
no, but ok.
:shock:

You called out bngenoh because you think that his discussing the upcoming Iran war is, as you put it, focusing on "minutiae", so I made an attempt to explain to you that this is not the case. The reality is that we must pay attention to reality in order to learn and manage things with knowledge. That's really all it boils down to. The whole 'army' discussion was a complete side-track that I also tried to clarify, to no avail. There is no reason to accuse bngenoh of focusing on things that don't matter when reality matters. Does that help clarify at all?
 
anart,

i did not accuse him of anything.

in fact i wrote this before you joined the discussion;
i respect your point of view and think i understand where you're coming from.

i agree that fumbling around in the dark gets no one nowhere.

i view this as a discussion. i would like for him to say if he feels i have been discourteous during this discussion.

bngenoh,
do you feel i have been discourteous towards you or your views during this discussion ?

i have not been coming here to argue about anything.
if you do not believe that i hold a peaceful stance in this forum, please feel free to read all my previous posts to date.


btw- i find it somewhat disconcerting that you write:
discussing the upcoming Iran war
you seem to believe the war is unavoidable. is this the case ? is it not better to avoid war or to believe it at least to be avoidable ?

thank you and have a good day.
 
transientP said:
anart,

i did not accuse him of anything.

in fact i wrote this before you joined the discussion;
i respect your point of view and think i understand where you're coming from.

i agree that fumbling around in the dark gets no one nowhere.

i view this as a discussion. i would like for him to say if he feels i have been discourteous during this discussion.

bngenoh,
do you feel i have been discourteous towards you or your views during this discussion ?

i have not been coming here to argue about anything.
if you do not believe that i hold a peaceful stance in this forum, please feel free to read all my previous posts to date.


btw- i find it somewhat disconcerting that you write:
discussing the upcoming Iran war
you seem to believe the war is unavoidable. is this the case ? is it not better to avoid war or to believe it at least to be avoidable ?

thank you and have a good day.
Hi transientP,

I too felt you were calling out bngenoh. It was my impression that you were suggesting bngenoh direct energy toward the Work instead of focusing so much on the war.

Here's a part of what you wrote for you to reconsider:
transientP said:
why waste your time dealing with minutiae when you could utilize it towards self-work / helping others who ask ?
and i'm not asking you that question in a disrespectful way.
i would really like to know if you find consuming and mulling over all these war scenarios so important, if so why ?
and is it more important than self-work ?

Perhaps you could review your post and try to recall why you felt bngenoh's energy was being wasted and why you felt compelled to say so.

Gonzo
 
Gonzo,

thank you.
i understand what you're saying, and i now think i understand anart's posts as well.

after re-reading i realize what has happened.

when i read this:
Posted by: bngenoh
« on: December 09, 2011, 07:03:44 PM » Insert Quote
It seems WW3, which started with the invasion of Afghanistan, and spread all over the world, is about to enter its most bloody & destructive stage.
my bolding for emphasis.

it seemed to me to be jumping the gun. i felt the words "is about to enter its most bloody & destructive" were unwarranted in the sense that they did not leave any other options open. it reads as a sure bet.

i think that sometimes when i read / hear people talking about war-scenarios, as if they are unavoidable, i try to explain that yes, it may happen, but why pose it as unavoidable ?

i wrote this;
why waste your time dealing with minutiae when you could utilize it towards self-work / helping others who ask ?
and i'm not asking you that question in a disrespectful way.
i would really like to know if you find consuming and mulling over all these war scenarios so important, if so why ?
and is it more important than self-work ?
because i felt statements about inevitable "bloody & destructive stage"s could possibly illicit unnecessary fear. i realize i probably should not have suggested what is 'more important' to focus on, since that is completely subjective and up to each person to decide.

i don't understand why for instance anart as well writes:
You called out bngenoh because you think that his discussing the upcoming Iran war is, as you put it, focusing on "minutiae"
again my bolding & underlining for emphasis.

i for one would like to think that war in the upcoming future might be avoidable.
if it is not, then it is not.

it seems that some people feel war is inevitable and completely unavoidable in the upcoming future, and maybe it is and maybe it isn't.
but how can anyone be so sure that this war-scenario is unavoidable ?

even though bngenoh has not stated himself that he had been offended, i would like to say that i am sorry if i have somehow offended you, bngenoh.
it was not my intention at all to be discourteous. :-[
it was my intention to understand the focusing and seeming amplifying of the certainty of war.
sincerely.

and i would still like to understand this point if it is possible.

i would again like to reiterate that my closing statements to bngenoh were;
i respect your point of view and think i understand where you're coming from.

i agree that fumbling around in the dark gets no one nowhere.

as far as i was concerned, that was that at that point.
 
transientP:


i for one would like to think that war in the upcoming future might be avoidable.if it is not, then it is not.it seems that some people feel war is inevitable and completely unavoidable in the upcoming future, and maybe it is and maybe it isn't.but how can anyone be so sure that this war-scenario is unavoidable ?even though bngenoh has not stated himself that he had been offended, i would like to say that i am sorry if i have somehow offended you, bngenoh.it was not my intention at all to be discourteous. it was my intention to understand the focusing and seeming amplifying of the certainty of war.sincerely.



Wishful thinking? Perhaps it would be better to see that people here are taking all the data into consideration and assigning probabilities based on current facts and what history has taught us, and the probability for your wishful outcome is not looking to be a very high percentage?
 
transientP said:
you seem to believe the war is unavoidable. is this the case ? is it not better to avoid war or to believe it at least to be avoidable ?

thank you and have a good day.

TransientP, you really don't appear to even be thinking clearly. It really doesn't matter what I think about avoiding war - it is not in my power to 'avoid' such a thing, nor is it in the power of any normal person. The point here is to pay attention to REALITY.

tp said:
i understand what you're saying, and i now think i understand anart's posts as well.

What seems to have happened here is that you refused to consider my input on this because it scratched your self-importance so then you took everything I said as 'wrong' when it was not, resulting in some rather nonsensical mental maneuvering on your part to avoid the crux of the issue. In other words, you got defensive when there was no reason to and then stopped thinking. That's perfectly normal, but the point is that you didn't stop for even a moment to question your thinking until you got another viewpoint that saw the situation the same way that I did. See how your horses ran away with you?

tp said:
it seemed to me to be jumping the gun. i felt the words "is about to enter its most bloody & destructive" were unwarranted in the sense that they did not leave any other options open. it reads as a sure bet.

So, you projected your own reaction onto bngenoh and then attacked him for your projection.

tp said:
i for one would like to think that war in the upcoming future might be avoidable.
if it is not, then it is not.

it seems that some people feel war is inevitable and completely unavoidable in the upcoming future, and maybe it is and maybe it isn't.
but how can anyone be so sure that this war-scenario is unavoidable ?

This is legalistic nitpicking and has nothing to do with the crux of the matter - again - you are trying to be right about something that has nothing to do with the subject at hand. What difference does it make if the war is 'avoidable' or not? How would you avoid it, transientP? The entire point here is that it is totally acceptable, if not required, to pay attention to the signs of war. Based on what is easily observed about the powers that be on this planet do you really think that any war they want is avoidable? Can you, perhaps, see that you are straining at gnats and swallowing elephants?

The point isn't whether or not the war is 'avoidable' (though the use of the word avoidable is rather nonsensical in this context, as if any normal person has any power whatsoever to stop the Imperial War Machine) - the point is that we must, as human beings, pay attention to the reality of what is happening on this planet - not just discount it because we would rather 'avoid' it. Whether the war with Iran happens or not, the base point here remains the same.
 
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