Iodine and Potassium Iodide

I was going for the 'antibiotic strength' Which required ''Nuking'' ? I know that kind of treatment wasn't meant for long term use but required at least 15 drops ? I messed up somewhere. The burning sensation left me a bit dazzled so I felt to urge the comment. Feeling I did something wrong. Thanks Foxx, I have both. Will follow your advice. And Siberia, no more teaspoons ever again.
 
Bjorn consider yourself lucky you didn't end up in emergency room with serious damage.
I am glad you are ok.

I think there was about a dozen of posts throughout this thread were people are urged to exercise caution, to do through research and to do it slowly.

As said before men have lower needs in Idoine then women, the safe and beneficial dose of Iodine is 5-12mg per day. Unless there is serous condition its best to stick with this dose and even this needs to be adjusted according to individual reaction.

Stay safe and take it easy.
 
That can be true Z. I looked it up and the Dietary Reference Intake for adults is 150 mg. Higher for women’s. I properly topped that. But the tolerable Upper Limit is stated at 1100 mg. Suppose that’s the overdose limit.

I know I have read somewhere that 8 drops twice a day could work so I thought I could try to double that and if the experience was bad just lower the doses. Extremely stubborn.

Somewhere at the beginning I posted this but nobody replied so I thought it was alright. Anyhow it doesn't matter anymore. First and last time I will try to poison myself.

[quote author=bjorn]Thanks for finding this ''miracle’’ cure.

If I understood it correctly, to avoid symptoms and to detox properly, intake of the following is necessary before consuming Iodine

Selenium:
Magnesium:
Vitamin C
Vitamins B2/B3 (ATP CoFactors)
Unrefined Sea Salt

Finding the right teaspoon dose of iodine is a matter of self-discovery. It depends on how much you can handle. [/quote]
 
Yesterday I started taking one drop of 5% Lugol's, no specific reaction as of yet I think. I am going to take it really slowly as I already start detoxing when I am doing deep breathing or when I am in my FIR blanket. Either I start feeling really nauseous or I get phlegm in my throat.
This morning my breath seemed to smell of iodine. :huh:
A few days ago I started drinking warm salty water first thing in the morning, I enjoy it, but it does make me feel nauseous afterwards. There is some stomach bug going round here, so that could be part of the problem.

I have almost finished reading Brownstein's book. Thank you, Mac, Divide By Zero and others for your help! It makes interesting reading.

Bjorn, take care and read Gabriela's article at least a couple of times, that might help. Especially, look at the table at the bottom of the page:

http://www.sott.net/article/307684-Iodine-Suppressed-knowledge-that-can-change-your-life
 
Here are a couple of quotes from Farrow's book "The Iodine Crisis" - I think her frequently asked questions section is excellent:

The Iodine Crisis said:
What are the iodine deficiency symptoms?

Often we don’t know which symptoms are iodine deficiency-related until they disappear after taking iodine. Veteran iodine takers report they feel increasing improvement as the months and years go on. Conditions such as psoriasis, coldness and even testicular cysts have disappeared in people using iodine for other reasons.

Is there a consensus on dosing iodine?

Ask your Iodine Literate Practitioner. The usual goal for adults is to start with 12.5 mg and work up to 50 mg or more if a medical condition is at issue. The experience of many iodine takers has shown that building up the dose gradually helps reduce side effects. It may take some time to find the right dosage.

Do women need more iodine than men?

Boys and girls seem to require the same amount of iodine until they reach puberty. As the breasts and ovaries begin to develop, the iodine requirement goes up for the girls. The increased requirements can take iodine away from the thyroid at this time. Goiter researcher, Dr. David Marine, found that Ohio girls and boys experienced equal amounts of thyroid disease until the girls reached puberty when significantly more girls developed goiter. This discovery finally resulted in the iodization of salt in 1924.


Personally, I'm now down to 1-2 drops 12%-Lugol per day, since the side-effects persisted, even though I now take all the co-factors. The Niacinamid 500 just arrived today and it seems that it helps! My wife on the other hand doesn't show any side effects at all and now takes app. 4 drops a day without any problems, on the contrary, she sees immediate results.

I'm thinking that Farrow's observation that for some (most?) people the positive effects of the iodine protocol are cumulative and the results may come slowly is very interesting - patience is needed!
 
bjorn said:
That can be true Z. I looked it up and the Dietary Reference Intake for adults is 150 mg. Higher for women’s. I properly topped that. But the tolerable Upper Limit is stated at 1100 mg. Suppose that’s the overdose limit.

bjorn, please take your time to read slower, and then re-read.
If you looked it up on wiki, then you have mis-read that too. This is what wiki says:

_https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iodine
The daily Dietary Reference Intake recommended by the United States Institute of Medicine is between 110 and 130 µg for infants up to 12 months, 90 µg for children up to eight years, 130 µg for children up to 13 years, 150 µg for adults, 220 µg for pregnant women and 290 µg for lactating mothers.[54] The Tolerable Upper Intake Level (UL) for adults is 1,100 μg/day (1.1 mg/day).

1000 ug = 1 mg

Wiki quotes standard medical advice, which is too low a dose (0.15mg to 1.1mg) based on the research in this thread and books mentioned.
But it's not 150mg - 1100mg either!

Again, please, slow down and take your time.
 
bjorn said:
I was going for the 'antibiotic strength' Which required ''Nuking'' ? I know that kind of treatment wasn't meant for long term use but required at least 15 drops ? I messed up somewhere. The burning sensation left me a bit dazzled so I felt to urge the comment. Feeling I did something wrong. Thanks Foxx, I have both. Will follow your advice. And Siberia, no more teaspoons ever again.

Good! I hope you will be way more careful from now on. Even if you want to "nuke" something, it's best to start slowly and build up, as Laura has been saying over and over. Several of us who did the "nuking", had been on lower doses for a while first. And the dosage will be different for each person.

And if your purpose is to get some vitamin C, ditch the fruit. That's very little vitamin C for a lot of fructose. It's not for medicinal purposes.
 
Thanks for the heads up TC. Too bad about the goitrogens... I wonder how much is considered a 'moderate' amount? I do enjoy my Sauerkrauts! I eat about a 1/2 cup to a cup a day, but not more the 4 or 5 for a whole week. Hope that's not too much. Found a little bit more info on crucifers...

http://www.westonaprice.org/health-topics/abcs-of-nutrition/vegetarianism-and-plant-foods/bearers-of-the-cross-crucifers-in-the-context-of-traditional-diets-and-modern-science/#nitriles

[...]

Article Summary

The use of cruciferous vegetables—those in the cabbage family—began 7,000 years ago in China and spread throughout Europe during the Middle Ages. The oldest writings emphasize the medicinal utility of crucifers, but these vegetables have now gained culinary importance worldwide.

When raw crucifers are chewed, or when microwaved and steamed crucifers are digested by intestinal bacteria, they release substances called goitrogens that increase the need for iodine when consumed in small amounts and can damage the thyroid gland when consumed in large amounts.

These goitrogens also inhibit the transfer of iodine into mother’s milk.

Steaming crucifers until they are fully cooked reduces the goitrogens to one-third the original value on average. Since release of the goitrogens from steamed crucifers depends on intestinal bacteria, however, the amount released varies from person to person.

Boiling crucifers for thirty minutes reliably destroys 90 percent of the goitrogens.

Fermentation does not neutralize the goitrogens in crucifers. When foods like sauerkraut are consumed as condiments, however, the small amount of goitrogens within them is not harmful if one’s diet is adequate in iodine.

An increased dietary intake of iodine compensates for the consumption of moderate amounts of crucifers but cannot reverse the effects of large amounts of crucifers.


Paradoxically, the goitrogens found in crucifers may offer some protection against cancer. The jury is still out on whether or not this is true.

The use of sauerkraut as a condiment and several servings of steamed crucifers per week is probably beneficial. People who consume more than this amount, especially lactating mothers, should be sure to obtain extra iodine in their diet from seafood. People who make liberal use of crucifers on a daily basis should boil a portion of them to avoid excessive exposure to goitrogens.

The safety of concentrated sources of crucifer-related chemicals such as broccoli sprouts or supplements containing indole-3-carbinol (I3C) and 3-3′-diindolylmethane (DIM) is questionable. These supplements should be avoided until continuing research can further elucidate their risks and benefits.

[...]

Cooking, Fermentation and Other Processing

Throughout history, various populations have prepared cruciferous vegetables in different ways, some of which neutralize the goitrogens to varying extents and some of which do not. Many people believe that cooking and fermenting crucifers eliminates the goitrogens but the situation is much more complex than this.

Fermentation of sauerkraut actually activates the goitrogens from their precursors. It also has the beneficial effect of reducing the nitrile content to half of what would be generated by cabbage upon digestion.18,21 Since nitriles appear to be more toxic than goitrogens and their effects cannot be mitigated by dietary iodine, the overall effect of fermentation is positive. More importantly, if sauerkraut is used as a condiment, the amount of goitrogens consumed is very low and very unlikely to exert any harm. However, it is important to realize that unreasonably high intakes of sauerkraut could have adverse effects.

Most forms of cooking reduce but do not eliminate the goitrogenic effect. Microwaving cabbage reduces the goitrogen bioavailability to one-half; steaming broccoli reduces it to one-third; and boiling watercress reduces it to one-tenth. Boiling not only leaches goitrogens into the cooking water, but also brings the vegetable to a higher temperature, causing a greater thermal destruction of the goitrogens within it. Boiling cabbage for just five minutes results in a 35 percent loss of goitrogen activity; thereafter, each additional five minutes results in another five to ten percent loss. By thirty minutes of boiling, 87 percent of the goitrogens are eliminated. Cooking also greatly reduces the formation of nitriles.22

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Yesterday I received 50 grams of pure elemential iodine crystals ACS/USP grade 99.9%.
And potassium iodide, high purity crystals 100 grams(reagent ACS, 99.9+%) Assay; 99.9%, from Amazon.
But I didn't get any extra written paper that guarantee it's purity, other than its labels.
So I researched about it's chemistry symbols.

General Grades of Chemicals

Reagent(ACS)
Highest purity available; meets or exceeds standards set by the American Chemical Society(ACS)
. Works for all scientific and manufacturing needs.
. Often required for experiments involving living biological matter.

Laboratory(Lab)
Relatively high purity but may contain small amounts of impurities.
. Sufficiently pure for most science fair projects.
. Not suitable for use in food or medicine of any kind.

Technical(industrial)
Contains impurities.
. Can still be used for many science fair projects.
. Not suitable for use in food or medicine of any kind.

U.S.P
A chemical grade of sufficient purity to meet or exceed requirements of the U.S. Pharmacopeia acceptable for food, drug or medicinal use; may be used for most laboratory purposes.

Purified
Also called Pure or Practical Grade, and indicates good quality chemicals meeting no official standard; can be use in most cases for educational applications.
. Not pure enough to be offered for food, drug or medicinal use of any kind.

NF
A grade of sufficient purity to meet the standards of National Formulary(NF)
 
Thanks again for the advice, will follow it through. Sorry for my recklessness. If iodine can cure or bring OCD symptons to an acceptable level. I will be eternal in your debt.
 
After poking around the interwebs a bit, looking for info on goitrogens, I'm thinking they're really not something you need to worry about unless you have a pre-existing thyroid issue or have a deficiency in iodine or selenium. This article was interesting (emphasis mine):

[quote author=http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=george&dbid=250]
An Up-to-Date Look at Goitrogenic Substances in Food

If you've wondered exactly what is meant by the terms "goitrogen" and "goitrogenic food," you are definitely not alone. These widely used terms often raise red flags in relationship to our health. Yet, as it turns out, many people often use these terms in the wrong context.

In the early 1950s, scientists wondered whether there might be identifiable chemical compounds in certain foods - such as cruciferous vegetables like broccoli and cauliflower - that were not known to play a supportive role in nourishment but instead worked only to compromise health and, in particular, the health of the thyroid gland. They used the term "goitrogen" to describe the activity of these chemical compounds. Since then, scientists have learned more and more about food substances with goitrogenic effects and how they work.

Over the past 50 years, however, researchers have determined that there are no such "negative" substances in food, but only health-supportive nutrients that are not a good match for certain individuals because of their unique health history and health status. Five decades of research have also determined that certain nutrients - like tyrosine, iodine, and selenium - play a unique role in thyroid health. (The exact nature of deiodinase enzymes, enzymes that are the key to production of thyroid hormones, was only discovered during this 50-year time period.) What has emerged from this scientific work on diet and health is a shift from a focus on "negative" foods that might be "bad" for the thyroid to a new focus on the need to create a right fit between each person's diet and the nutrients needed by his or her thyroid for optimal function.
Goitrogens

From a science perspective, "goitrogen" is a term used to describe any substance that can cause enlargement of the thyroid gland. That's because "goiter" is an enlarged thyroid gland. (Sometimes a person with an enlarged thyroid gland is described as "having a goiter," and sometimes the condition itself is simply referred to as "goiter.") A "goitrogen" is simply any substance that causes or contributes to goiter.

There are many different chemical substances that can contribute to goiter. From a chemical standpoint, they usually have nothing in common except for their ability to cause thyroid enlargement.

Many drugs act as goitrogens. These drugs include lithium (a drug used to treat bipolar disorder) and phenylbutazone (a non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drug). Sometimes these drugs are described as having "goitrogenic effects" instead of being called goitrogens themselves. Most of the time, drugs with goitrogenic effects interfere with iodine metabolism. Since the thyroid needs iodine to produce thyroid hormones, drugs that interfere with iodine metabolism often prevent the thyroid from making its iodine-containing hormones properly. (Without the proper amount of iodine, the thyroid cannot make sufficient amounts of thyroid hormone. When the thyroid fails to make enough of its hormones, the pituitary gland in the brain sends a message to the thyroid to increase in size and make more thyroid hormone. That increase in thyroid size is what scientists call goiter.) Nutritional deficiency of iodine is the most common dietary cause of goiter, and, in this sense, iodine deficiency could be accurately described as goitrogenic.

Goitrogenic Foods

Contrary to popular belief, foods themselves are not "goitrogenic" in the sense of causing goiter whenever they are consumed, or even when they are consumed in excess. In fact, most foods that are commonly called goitrogenic - such as the cruciferous vegetables (including broccoli, cabbage, kale, and cauliflower) and soyfoods - do not interfere with thyroid function in healthy persons even when they are consumed on a daily basis. Nor is it scientifically correct to say that foods "contain goitrogens," at least not if you are thinking about goitrogens as a category of substances like proteins, carbohydrates, or vitamins. With respect to the health of our thyroid gland, all that can be contained in a food are nutrients that provide us with a variety of health benefits but which, under certain circumstances, can also interfere with thyroid function. The term "goitrogenic food" makes it sound as if something is wrong with the food, but that is simply not the case. What causes problems for certain individuals is not the food itself but the mismatched nature of certain substances within the food to their unique health circumstances.

Goiter, Thyroid Function, and Diet

With respect to diet, the most common cause of goiter is iodine deficiency from lack of iodine-containing foods. However, other food factors can come into play under certain unique circumstances.

For example, since the mineral selenium is required for certain activities within the thyroid gland, selenium deficiency can combine with borderline iodine deficiency to produce goiter. The selenium content of foods is highly variable and depends to a large extent upon soil conditions. For this reason, in parts of Asia, Africa, and Latin America where soils are particularly low in selenium, thyroid problems related to borderline iodine intake may be worsened by this added problem of soil selenium deficiency and inadequate intake of selenium-rich foods.

Thiocyanates and the Thyroid

Other dietary circumstances can contribute to problems with thyroid function, but the circumstances here are not common. One circumstance involves excessive intake of phytonutrients called thiocyanates. When an imbalanced diet overloads the body with excessive amounts of thiocyanates - as might happen, for example, in parts of Central Africa where cassava root and cassava flour may be relied on for too great a percentage of total carbohydrates - risk to thyroid function has been documented, especially when accompanied by deficiency of dietary selenium.

Since isothiocyanates - one category of thiocyanates - are commonly made in the body from other phytonutrients (called glucosinolates) that are especially concentrated in cruciferous vegetables, some people have wondered whether daily intake of cruciferous vegetables can increase their risk of thyroid problems. The answer here is no; there is no research to show that daily intake of cruciferous vegetables in ordinary dietary amounts poses any unwanted risk to the thyroid. In fact, there are many well-documented health benefits from daily consumption of cruciferous vegetables, including decreased risk of colorectal cancer. One study has even found a weak association between high intake of cruciferous vegetables and slightly decreased risk of thyroid cancer.

From a practical standpoint, a food like broccoli (with its thiocyanates) is not "bad" for your thyroid. The only time you should be concerned about broccoli and your thyroid is if you are an individual with a history of thyroid problems who regularly eats large amounts of raw broccoli (or other cruciferous vegetables). In that case, it would be worthwhile for you to talk with your healthcare provider about the best dietary steps to take.

[...]

Goitrogens, Diet, and Health

Given the research evidence described above, we believe there is no good basis for the vast majority of individuals to avoid any of the World's Healthiest Foods - including cruciferous vegetables like broccoli or soy foods like tofu - in a healthy everyday diet. A healthy mix of the World's Healthiest Foods will help protect all of your organ systems, including your thyroid gland. There are just far too many health benefits from these foods (in addition to their flavors and textures) to consider omitting them from a health-supportive diet. However, in the context of known dietary deficiency for either iodine or selenium or both, and especially when coupled with a previously diagnosed thyroid problem, it would be worth discussing the role of these foods in your diet with your healthcare provider.

Impact of Cooking on Isoflavones and Isothiocyanates

Although research studies are limited in this area, cooking does appear to help inactivate both isoflavones (commonly found in soy foods) and isothiocyanates (commonly found in cruciferous vegetables). These compounds appear to be heat-sensitive, and cooking appears to lower their availability. In the case of isothiocyanates in cruciferous vegetables like broccoli, as much as one third of this goitrogenic substance may be deactivated when broccoli is boiled in water.
WHFoods Recommendations

For the vast majority of individuals, foods containing potentially goitrogenic substances like thiocyanates and isoflavones pose no documented health risk to the thyroid and can be included on a daily basis in a balanced diet. Most of us can simply enjoy the delicious taste of these foods and the amazing variety of nutrients they provide. For individuals with known dietary deficiency of iodine or selenium or both, especially when combined with previously diagnosed thyroid problems, intake of soy foods (high in isoflavones) and cruciferous vegetables (high in glucosinolates that can be converted into thiocyanates) may need to be discussed with a healthcare practitioner. (If you are a person who belongs to this latter group, you can still work together with your healthcare provider to determine what food combinations are the right fit for you and your thyroid, and these food combinations may end up containing both soy foods and cruciferous vegetables.) Since cooking may help to inactivate some of the potentially goitrogenic substances found in food, any individual wishing to lower his or her intake of these substances can consume soy foods and cruciferous vegetable in cooked rather than raw form.

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Doerge DR and Chang HC. Inactivation of thyroid peroxidase by soy isoflavones, in vitro and in vivo. Journal of Chromatography B, Volume 777, Issues 1—2, 25 September 2002, Pages 269-279.

Hampl R, Ostatnikova D, Celec P et al. Short-term effect of soy consumption on thyroid hormone levels and correlation with phytoestrogen level in healthy subjects. Endocr Regul. 2008 Jun;42(2-3):53-61.

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I certainly don't agree with the author that there's no such thing as an unhealthy food, only a mismatch with certain people (we can see from the research here that things like gluten and some plant lectins aren't good for anyone). And obviously it doesn't matter whether soy foods are goitrogenic or not - we know soy is evil for many other reasons. But the overall message here seems to be that the so-called goitrogenic foods aren't really an issue for anyone without a pre-existing thyroid issue or mineral deficiencies.
 
bjorn said:
I was going for the 'antibiotic strength' Which required ''Nuking'' ? I know that kind of treatment wasn't meant for long term use but required at least 15 drops ? I messed up somewhere. The burning sensation left me a bit dazzled so I felt to urge the comment. Feeling I did something wrong. Thanks Foxx, I have both. Will follow your advice. And Siberia, no more teaspoons ever again.

Im pretty sure i temember at the beginning of this thread reading a long time ago that you can instantly counteract any overdose of iodine with lots of vitamin c. Please someone correct me if im wrong.
 
davey72 said:
Im pretty sure i temember at the beginning of this thread reading a long time ago that you can instantly counteract any overdose of iodine with lots of vitamin c. Please someone correct me if im wrong.

Yes, that is correct and that is why vitamin C should not be taken with the Lugol's solution, as it blocks the uptake of iodine, which will then be excreted in the urine. Essentially, flushing the iodine down the toilet - not giving it time to displace toxins.

By the same token, taking vitamin C a minimum of 2 hours after the Lugol's (and longer is probably better), it will then flush all the halogens the iodine has displaced, increasing the excretion rate and lessening any symptoms of detox.
 
Bjorn, heureuse de vous savoir en bonne santé, vous avez manqué de vous empoisonner... Prenez soin de Vous et soyez prudent...
Merci à tous pour vos commentaires si intéressants...
9ème jour, pas de symptôme, je reste à l'eau chaude salée Celtic au lever, à 5 gouttes, dans de l'eau vinaigrée cidre, de Lugol 12% avant le petit déjeuner, Vit. B complex, Magnésium (plus que 3 jours) puis petit déjeuner Glycine (2 cuillerées à café) avec thé et je commencerai Vit. C, une petite cuillère à café vers 11h... Je ne sens pas grand chose de plus ou moins bon pour le moment...

Bjorn, happy to know you in good health, you were short of poison yourselves... Look after You and are careful...
Thanks to all for your so interesting comments...
9th day, no symptom, I remain in hot salted water Celtic in the survey, in 5 drops, in some vinaigrée water hard cider, of Lugol 12 % before breakfast, Saw. B complex, Magnesium (more than 3 days) then breakfast Wisteria (2 scoopfuls with coffee) with tea and I shall begin Saw. C, a small spoon with coffee at about 11 h... I do not smell big thing of more or less good for the time being...
 
Small update from me :)

I started with 2 drops of Lugol and co-factors like

Salted water
Magnesium Malate
Niacin
Omega-3
Vitamin D
Selenium

1st day - 2x 2 drops - Nothing happened
2nd day - 2x 3 drops - noticed no new psoriasis problems, but nothing happened in general
3rd day - 2x 4 drops - A bit tired , still no symptoms
4th day - 2x 5 drops - Mega power arrives !! unfortunately followed by a bit of tiredness but again after that super powers arrived - gotta inspect that because probably I did something wrong
5th day - 2x 5 drops - Nothing really happened so far except of hard morning , heavily tired - but its like 6 days ago and past few years so I am used to it :D

What I noticed thou is that I can handle cold waaaaay better. Also after taking niacin I was feeling very cold which is logical since more blood can be chilled in capilary veins. Now with Lugols it is quite warm after taking 500mg of niacin !!

I was also reading a bit about Bromine and Halogen displacement. I figured out that its pointless to look for harmful, bromine-full products ;)
Instead I started to look for sources of bromine for commercial use :D

:scared: <---- that was my face expression after I found out that Coca-cola in its drinks used to use BVO which stands for Brominated Veg Oil !!

Also there is biiiig load of bromine in flame retardants and to my surprise child car seats are covered with flame retardants a looooot.
Gotta dig more in it.
 
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