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In March 1924 , near Vichy , a young french farmer, Emile Fradin, discovered artifacts in his field which were variously dated from neolithic, Iron Age and Medieval times by archaeologists.
Since 1924 to 1941, 3000 artifacts were found on the site and the scientists are tearing about the real origin.
There is a huge confusion in this affair and it's hard to see the truth behind the arguments of the "glozelians" and "anti-glozelians".
It seems that false objects were added to the true ones.
After reading many articles on the web and books , my impression is that the official history and his supporters have no interest in the true datation of the site.
The biggest problem : the presence on the same artifacts of an ancient alphabet next to reins engravings for example.
Reins are known to be disappeared over 10 000 years ago in this part of Europe.
So an alphabet so old that the Middle east writings look young by comparison.
The archaeologist JUANEDA-CALVIER wrote on www.gerbeaud.com/glozel/index.htm
"The Writing
The writing is the great gift of Glozel, and also its greatest puzzle. It has caused much ink to run, and has frustrated more than one person. Currently several researchers have managed to define it and are starting to decipher it.
This type of writing is not unique. Several related ancient alphabets exist in the old languages of Italy and Iberia (Alvao in Portugal, etc.) This writing draws attention to a pre-Indo-European, pre-Etruscan language, the ancient base of which one must consult to find the key. Its roots exist in Irish, Icelandic, Finnish and Norse.
Several scholars, including Marie Labarrère Delorme, Maurice Guignard and Christian de Warenghien, and Rudolf Hitz are currently working to put the finishing touches on their research papers (a thesis on the subject is being prepared). Some have already published. The writing will be the determining factor in reliably dating Glozel.
The public has learned about the Glozelian language by means of the day tablets, which have often been published. On the other hand, they don't realize that these "signs" are found on the majority of the objects discovered at the Field of the Dead by Dr. Antonin Morlet between the two wars. On most of the pieces, (sculptures, engravings on stone, on bone, on ivory, reindeer or deer horn) one finds the same signs as those traced on the clay tablets, demonstrating the indisputable homogeneity of the site.
The Dating of Glozel
Glozel is certainly one of the European sites which has been subjected to the greatest amount of research by highly qualified professionals from the time of its discovery. But the fierceness of the attacks by Glozelts detractors has led to a stalemate in spite of the richness of the results and the successive demonstrations of Glozel's undeniable authenticity.
In the 1970s a team of scientists (Vagn Mejdahl from Denmark, Hugh McKerrelt from Edinburgh, and Henri François of the Fontenay Atomic Test Centre> became interested in Glozel and used thermoluminescence to test Glozel ceramics.
Henri François did not hesitate to ask Dr Zimmerman of the University of Washington, who is attached to the McDonnel Center for Space Science, to undertake an investigation, as the one person capable of doing this. The aim was to determine if the Glozel ceramics were indeed authentic and not recently produced ounterfeits. Basing his conclusion on a property particular to zircon grains, Dr Zimmerman said: "There is no possibility that these two samples from Glozel are of recent date and artificially irradiated in order to make them appear old. We conclude that they were truly made in antiquity. " This conclusion certainly reinforced observations previously made, including that of the geologist, M. E. Bruet, who in 1928 concluded that the tablets with inscriptions must have been fired at a temperature of between 600 and 700 degrees.
The Glozel artifacts, which currently number some 2,500 pieces, were found in a single, well defined archaeological layer. This layer was described as being from the Neolithic by Dean Charles Depéret5. The recent international congress on Carbon-14 dating and archaeology, held in Lyon in 1998, noted that the Neolithic existed in Europe in the last centuries of the seventh millenium and was widespread by the first haîf of the sixth millenium.
The "Champ des Morts" was the subject in 1974 of an investigation using a proton magnetometer undertaken by Mrs Lemercier of the Center for Nuclear Studies in Grenoble. This confirmed the results of Dr Antonin Morlet who excavated this site with Mr. Fradin for more than 15 years. He left numerous places untouched 50 that future generations either by new excavations or new technical approaches could add to the information already avaîlable. Comparison of the results of an aerial survey with those of Mrs. Lemercier reveals traces of intact structures at the level of the "Champ des Morts' and also in nearby areas, above and to the left of the area when coming from the museum."
This affair recalls me furiously the Stones of Ica!
Emile Fradin had been questionned during 63 hours by the police and his house searched( not to say vandalized by policemen)
some have lodged a complaint against him for fraud but it led to a lack of evidence...
Since 1941 , it's also forbidden in France to search the underground without permission of the government.
it's handy to avoid an awkward discover!
You'll found others articles on www.glozel.net/ and wikipedia ( the french version is longer than the english one) and many others sites on this subject with differents points of view.
In March 1924 , near Vichy , a young french farmer, Emile Fradin, discovered artifacts in his field which were variously dated from neolithic, Iron Age and Medieval times by archaeologists.
Since 1924 to 1941, 3000 artifacts were found on the site and the scientists are tearing about the real origin.
There is a huge confusion in this affair and it's hard to see the truth behind the arguments of the "glozelians" and "anti-glozelians".
It seems that false objects were added to the true ones.
After reading many articles on the web and books , my impression is that the official history and his supporters have no interest in the true datation of the site.
The biggest problem : the presence on the same artifacts of an ancient alphabet next to reins engravings for example.
Reins are known to be disappeared over 10 000 years ago in this part of Europe.
So an alphabet so old that the Middle east writings look young by comparison.
The archaeologist JUANEDA-CALVIER wrote on www.gerbeaud.com/glozel/index.htm
"The Writing
The writing is the great gift of Glozel, and also its greatest puzzle. It has caused much ink to run, and has frustrated more than one person. Currently several researchers have managed to define it and are starting to decipher it.
This type of writing is not unique. Several related ancient alphabets exist in the old languages of Italy and Iberia (Alvao in Portugal, etc.) This writing draws attention to a pre-Indo-European, pre-Etruscan language, the ancient base of which one must consult to find the key. Its roots exist in Irish, Icelandic, Finnish and Norse.
Several scholars, including Marie Labarrère Delorme, Maurice Guignard and Christian de Warenghien, and Rudolf Hitz are currently working to put the finishing touches on their research papers (a thesis on the subject is being prepared). Some have already published. The writing will be the determining factor in reliably dating Glozel.
The public has learned about the Glozelian language by means of the day tablets, which have often been published. On the other hand, they don't realize that these "signs" are found on the majority of the objects discovered at the Field of the Dead by Dr. Antonin Morlet between the two wars. On most of the pieces, (sculptures, engravings on stone, on bone, on ivory, reindeer or deer horn) one finds the same signs as those traced on the clay tablets, demonstrating the indisputable homogeneity of the site.
The Dating of Glozel
Glozel is certainly one of the European sites which has been subjected to the greatest amount of research by highly qualified professionals from the time of its discovery. But the fierceness of the attacks by Glozelts detractors has led to a stalemate in spite of the richness of the results and the successive demonstrations of Glozel's undeniable authenticity.
In the 1970s a team of scientists (Vagn Mejdahl from Denmark, Hugh McKerrelt from Edinburgh, and Henri François of the Fontenay Atomic Test Centre> became interested in Glozel and used thermoluminescence to test Glozel ceramics.
Henri François did not hesitate to ask Dr Zimmerman of the University of Washington, who is attached to the McDonnel Center for Space Science, to undertake an investigation, as the one person capable of doing this. The aim was to determine if the Glozel ceramics were indeed authentic and not recently produced ounterfeits. Basing his conclusion on a property particular to zircon grains, Dr Zimmerman said: "There is no possibility that these two samples from Glozel are of recent date and artificially irradiated in order to make them appear old. We conclude that they were truly made in antiquity. " This conclusion certainly reinforced observations previously made, including that of the geologist, M. E. Bruet, who in 1928 concluded that the tablets with inscriptions must have been fired at a temperature of between 600 and 700 degrees.
The Glozel artifacts, which currently number some 2,500 pieces, were found in a single, well defined archaeological layer. This layer was described as being from the Neolithic by Dean Charles Depéret5. The recent international congress on Carbon-14 dating and archaeology, held in Lyon in 1998, noted that the Neolithic existed in Europe in the last centuries of the seventh millenium and was widespread by the first haîf of the sixth millenium.
The "Champ des Morts" was the subject in 1974 of an investigation using a proton magnetometer undertaken by Mrs Lemercier of the Center for Nuclear Studies in Grenoble. This confirmed the results of Dr Antonin Morlet who excavated this site with Mr. Fradin for more than 15 years. He left numerous places untouched 50 that future generations either by new excavations or new technical approaches could add to the information already avaîlable. Comparison of the results of an aerial survey with those of Mrs. Lemercier reveals traces of intact structures at the level of the "Champ des Morts' and also in nearby areas, above and to the left of the area when coming from the museum."
This affair recalls me furiously the Stones of Ica!
Emile Fradin had been questionned during 63 hours by the police and his house searched( not to say vandalized by policemen)
some have lodged a complaint against him for fraud but it led to a lack of evidence...
Since 1941 , it's also forbidden in France to search the underground without permission of the government.
it's handy to avoid an awkward discover!
You'll found others articles on www.glozel.net/ and wikipedia ( the french version is longer than the english one) and many others sites on this subject with differents points of view.