Telperion
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anart said:Telperion said:I have not said anything about Putin that could not be interpreted as fact. It usually depends on one's point of view.
Facts do not depend on point of view. Facts are not interpreted - they are FACTS, i.e, objectively true.
I personally do not think that Putin can be a 'good guy' to be in the position he is in - it doesn't appear to work that way on this planet, he is a world leader and 'good guys' don't become world leaders, though he may be less evil than some - however - Telperion, you must understand the definition of fact - and the difference between fact, point of view and opinion. It is also interesting to observe that, once again, the second a statement you have made is challenged, you instantly descend into subjective/defensive/emotional thinking and your posts become noise.
Just please stick to objective facts, or as close as we can get to them in our current condition - it will make quite the difference in your posts.
Ok...I appreciate what you are saying. Maybe when trying to describe the character of a particular historical figure the word 'fact' cannot come into play since viewpoints on any particular person will always be subjective, and based on each persons experience. For example I have friends in the Czech Republic who hate Russia and rail against that country because of past events, so probably this colors my view.
I'm sure there are people out there who would genuinely praise Stalin, Napoleon or Alexander the Great as being wonderful, decisive and strong leaders. If people want to place Putin on some sort of pedestal that is surely their prerogative however the logic of the West being so evil that Putin must be good by comparison is incomprehensible to me. I mean, if any of us had ever lived behind the iron curtain or in any of these post-Soviet satellite countries we might have a very different view of Putin and Russia.