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John White
Guest
Good evening everyone
Firstly, Id like to just thank everyone I've interacted with so far for the welcome I have been given on the site, and I'd like to let it known its appreciated
To everyone else who i havnt had a chance to get to know yet, this is the thread that I started on at SOTT;
http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=1575
Ive been digesting a LOT of information, firstly from the recent podcasts, and secondly from the detailed threads here in the COINTELPRO and dis-information section.
Ive found a seriously impressive level of detail, well reasoned posts with a commanding grip on the subject matter, and certainly convincing evidance that SOTT in general, and Laura and her team in particular, has had some truly vile stuff being wanged at it from diverse areas of the global alternative information community
As promised, I have been perculating all of this data, and this thread represents my initial attempt to formulate a perspective on this established history and share in the spirit of truthseeking what I have understood from all of the above
To do so, I would like to take a little time to describe how I generally form my personal world view
My primary interest is in the nature of conciousness. I am a "powerful" (for what thats worth) intuitive and accomplished dowser, and much of, if not most of, my understanding of life comes from my connection to universal conciousness, decoding the infinite energy of the cosmos through the tool of my brain into thoughts, emotions, and forms of expression
In that, I am not so concerned with what we think as in how we think it. I recognise that reason is not the start of the process of understanding the world, but the end product of a far wider set of influences. Two children can look at the same tree, and then turn around and describe that tree to their parents stood behind them. But if one child is brought up for example, as chinese, and the other as english, not only will the same object be decoded into the product of different words (language), but the inference and tone conveyed by that language will also be subtly be different...as will the nature and feel of the thoughts that produce that language...to say nothing of how they may feel about the tree before the process of starting to construct thought and speach even begins...and that says nothing of the variables of how their respectives parents decode (understand) what is being said to them...
In short, two people may look at the very same object (or evidance) and see two very different things: perhaps irreconcievably different: yet still share the basic qualities of honesty and truthfullness regardless of how "different" their perceptions appear to be: it isnt all down simply to "good will"
What then is truth? And where is it to be found?
From my perspective of the world, truth is not in absolutes, facts, evidance or any other form of "proof" definatively
Rather, it is in the balance of probabilities
And the balance of probabilities is not a fixed concrete postition: rather it is fluid and responsive to changes in the world, yet consistant with an individuals inner character and qualities...which, of course, can equally grow
Having (hopefully) given some insight into where Im coming from, heres what Ive found withinn my own consideration of whats presented here at SOTT
There are some areas in which I find instant and total agreement with the POV established on the site
Certainly the rational and models used to predict and understand how intelligence agancies and dis-information agents operate is insightful and most likely accurate...its also backed up and confirmed by many other info sources
And particular individuals, such as Daryl bradford Smith, who my opinion of is, well.... low
The behaviour of Vincent Bridges and ATS is also obviously reprehensable
Other areas there is more divergence on though: particualrily with regard to individuals like Alex jones and David Icke: I see the same evidance but find different conclusions: certainly, less certain ones
And thats a bit of a "problem": in that I'm hesitant to "argue the toss" and attempt to prove anything: for one thing, that would be disrespectful of the membership agreement Ive made with SOTT. Getting into that kind of discussion would also be a wasted opportunity to communicate with what I feel is a sincere and genuine community of truthseekers: at least, thats how it seems to me
Heres another aspect of the problem of understanding dis-information and counterintelpro: the burden of ultimate proof
Even where the evidance seems particularily damning, like with Simon Gray and ATS, to be certain one would have to:
Intercept every phone call, email, text and other form of communication
Evesdrop every conversation
Tail every movement
AND do the same for every person he comes into contact with
Now, if we could do that, then definative incontravertable proof of being a dis-ibnfo agent could be acheived
But at a cost:
The cost of, essentially, becoming an intelligence agency (although a poorly funded and under-resourced one)
Reminds me of the wisdom:
"Be careful! lest we become what we oppose!"
I certainly agree that nobody is above being questioned, and that its healthy to do so, and I applaud the industry of everyone here for tackling this issue head on and making,to be honest, far more progress than Ive seen anywhere else at trying to get to the heart of that other timeless classic question "what the bloody hell is going on???"
And I am also always open and willing to listen and learn more: all sacred cows die in the end, so its best not to be overly sentimental or attached to any public personality
However, what i would personally like to explore as a contribution to the work of this site is:
"What is it about disinfo that makes it work?"
and
"How can individuals learn to guard and protect themselves from such undue influence"
Becuase that has to be a core message: and understanding and copmmunicating that is surely relevant to every good hearted human being, and perhaps potentially a blow to the very effectivness of such methods, increasing the chances of making the global desire and longing for healing, justice, equality, peace and trnasformation truly unstoppable
With that in mind, I await your feedback, and look forward to, hopefully, an interesting and productive conversation
Regards, John
(PS I cant guarentee my available time for the next few days, so initial responses may be slow, but I will get there)
Firstly, Id like to just thank everyone I've interacted with so far for the welcome I have been given on the site, and I'd like to let it known its appreciated
To everyone else who i havnt had a chance to get to know yet, this is the thread that I started on at SOTT;
http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=1575
Ive been digesting a LOT of information, firstly from the recent podcasts, and secondly from the detailed threads here in the COINTELPRO and dis-information section.
Ive found a seriously impressive level of detail, well reasoned posts with a commanding grip on the subject matter, and certainly convincing evidance that SOTT in general, and Laura and her team in particular, has had some truly vile stuff being wanged at it from diverse areas of the global alternative information community
As promised, I have been perculating all of this data, and this thread represents my initial attempt to formulate a perspective on this established history and share in the spirit of truthseeking what I have understood from all of the above
To do so, I would like to take a little time to describe how I generally form my personal world view
My primary interest is in the nature of conciousness. I am a "powerful" (for what thats worth) intuitive and accomplished dowser, and much of, if not most of, my understanding of life comes from my connection to universal conciousness, decoding the infinite energy of the cosmos through the tool of my brain into thoughts, emotions, and forms of expression
In that, I am not so concerned with what we think as in how we think it. I recognise that reason is not the start of the process of understanding the world, but the end product of a far wider set of influences. Two children can look at the same tree, and then turn around and describe that tree to their parents stood behind them. But if one child is brought up for example, as chinese, and the other as english, not only will the same object be decoded into the product of different words (language), but the inference and tone conveyed by that language will also be subtly be different...as will the nature and feel of the thoughts that produce that language...to say nothing of how they may feel about the tree before the process of starting to construct thought and speach even begins...and that says nothing of the variables of how their respectives parents decode (understand) what is being said to them...
In short, two people may look at the very same object (or evidance) and see two very different things: perhaps irreconcievably different: yet still share the basic qualities of honesty and truthfullness regardless of how "different" their perceptions appear to be: it isnt all down simply to "good will"
What then is truth? And where is it to be found?
From my perspective of the world, truth is not in absolutes, facts, evidance or any other form of "proof" definatively
Rather, it is in the balance of probabilities
And the balance of probabilities is not a fixed concrete postition: rather it is fluid and responsive to changes in the world, yet consistant with an individuals inner character and qualities...which, of course, can equally grow
Having (hopefully) given some insight into where Im coming from, heres what Ive found withinn my own consideration of whats presented here at SOTT
There are some areas in which I find instant and total agreement with the POV established on the site
Certainly the rational and models used to predict and understand how intelligence agancies and dis-information agents operate is insightful and most likely accurate...its also backed up and confirmed by many other info sources
And particular individuals, such as Daryl bradford Smith, who my opinion of is, well.... low
The behaviour of Vincent Bridges and ATS is also obviously reprehensable
Other areas there is more divergence on though: particualrily with regard to individuals like Alex jones and David Icke: I see the same evidance but find different conclusions: certainly, less certain ones
And thats a bit of a "problem": in that I'm hesitant to "argue the toss" and attempt to prove anything: for one thing, that would be disrespectful of the membership agreement Ive made with SOTT. Getting into that kind of discussion would also be a wasted opportunity to communicate with what I feel is a sincere and genuine community of truthseekers: at least, thats how it seems to me
Heres another aspect of the problem of understanding dis-information and counterintelpro: the burden of ultimate proof
Even where the evidance seems particularily damning, like with Simon Gray and ATS, to be certain one would have to:
Intercept every phone call, email, text and other form of communication
Evesdrop every conversation
Tail every movement
AND do the same for every person he comes into contact with
Now, if we could do that, then definative incontravertable proof of being a dis-ibnfo agent could be acheived
But at a cost:
The cost of, essentially, becoming an intelligence agency (although a poorly funded and under-resourced one)
Reminds me of the wisdom:
"Be careful! lest we become what we oppose!"
I certainly agree that nobody is above being questioned, and that its healthy to do so, and I applaud the industry of everyone here for tackling this issue head on and making,to be honest, far more progress than Ive seen anywhere else at trying to get to the heart of that other timeless classic question "what the bloody hell is going on???"
And I am also always open and willing to listen and learn more: all sacred cows die in the end, so its best not to be overly sentimental or attached to any public personality
However, what i would personally like to explore as a contribution to the work of this site is:
"What is it about disinfo that makes it work?"
and
"How can individuals learn to guard and protect themselves from such undue influence"
Becuase that has to be a core message: and understanding and copmmunicating that is surely relevant to every good hearted human being, and perhaps potentially a blow to the very effectivness of such methods, increasing the chances of making the global desire and longing for healing, justice, equality, peace and trnasformation truly unstoppable
With that in mind, I await your feedback, and look forward to, hopefully, an interesting and productive conversation
Regards, John
(PS I cant guarentee my available time for the next few days, so initial responses may be slow, but I will get there)