difference between the Reptlians and the Nephilims ?

[Adaryn]

Hello,
in the Wave, the Cass talk about the Nephilims as ancient gods coming from Orion, who would be 12 millions in a spaceship and coming towards us with the Wave, but with antipathetic goals.
And on the other hand there is the Reptilians, living in the 4th density and referred to as the ones who seduced humanity and brought us to physicality.
What is the relation between them, are they the same entities ? Both seem to "look like" lizards and both are referred to as our creators... so I'm a bit lost.

Is the coming of the Nephilims still a reliable information ? I ask this cause though originally i'm not keen on ETs, me and my partner have been dreaming quite often of ET invasions since a few months, the last dream being last night : i dreamed we were invaded by the lizzies, and that kind of nightmare seems to repeat these days! I also dreamed of underground dragon or snakes who rushed out from underground to attack us (maybe it's because I recently saw The War of the Worlds). So...?

 

[Ben]

Not sure why you posted it in this section. Briefly - if you read on you'll see that the two groups are different in terms of density level and physical appearance. The Nephilim are third density giant humanoids from Orion, only 'ancient gods' in the way they were presented to humanity by their overseers, the reptilians. Do a search for 'Nephilim' and you can read more about them, you will see that the difference is huge!

 

[Ben]

well thanks, and sorry for the posting mistake, I'm a bit confused and not used yet to the sections... i'll try to investigate further about the Nephilim though it's not easy to get the truth out of all those contradictory information on the subject.

No problem. Of course, what I said was referring to the information in the Cassiopaean transcripts. I see no contradiction in them on this particular topic (physical attributes and origins of the different 'humanoid' entities, although I now see that 'humanoid' is an extremely anthropocentric description, if anything we are 'reptoid'). I'm very interested in this also so feel free to point out any contradictory or interesting information you have found on this.

 

[Adaryn]

I've discovered this site has a glossary, much useful indeed...
So what we find for Nephilim is : - These are 12 ft. tall humanoid beings of 3rd density that have been used as enforcers of 4th density STS rule on Earth at various times in history. These have been rarely reported in UFO sightings or abductions. According to the Cassiopaea material, this type of alien will be again reintroduced to Earth. These are the giants referred to in the Bible, resulting from the intercourse of the angels with daughters of the Earth.

However according to Zecharia Sitchin:
There was a problem in the atmosphere of the Nephilim's planet (Orion); they needed to put gold dust in their atmosphere, so they left their planet for the Earth.
- A rebellion of the nephilim ends in the creation of the human race (through mixing their ADN with the local primats' ADN)
- Homosapiens is used to extract gold. Finally, the mating of human females and nephilim results in the birth of the Heroes (I don't know about that one)

I'm very interested in this also so feel free to point out any contradictory or interesting information you have found on this.

I read a very interesting interview of John Lash (in french) lately, about the Reptilians according to the Gnostics, on this site :

http://www.karmapolis.be/pipeline/interview_lash.htm

As it's quite long, I will translate it by bits :

"Gnostic texts clearly state that Jeovah is the Lord of the Archons"

In a clear and powerful interview, John Lash, an author and a researcher (metahistory.org) of American origin, explains us very clearly how and why an extraterrestrial "intelligence" would interfere with our world and our consciousness. A specialist and an egexete of the Gospels of Nag Hammadi, John carries a message which is more optimistic than it seems : even if the Archons and other reptilians give us the impression to handle the cards of the game, we remain the masters because these Archons are only capable of one thing : an operation of brainwashing, the aim of which is to make us believe that they are the "bosses". Those entities the Gnostics designated under the term Archons would be nothing else than the Reptilians and their automated servants, the Greys of contemporary apparitions. And the religions of the Book would only be the legacy of this manipulation and would finally appear to only be a cult to an ET entity : Yahve or Yahveh (YHVH). The Gnostics' texts are unequivocal about this subject, as is John Lash : the so-called revealed religions act as viruses, spiritual parasites. Of course, he's not the first author, researcher or philosopher (as the philosopher Michel Onfray and his Treaty of Atheology) to have discerned this characteristic belonging to the religions of the "Book" (and many others) which, under cover of love of the neighbour, preach an absolute submission to very harsh repressive rules (eg : the term "ilslam" means "submission"). But Lash is one of the first to have emphasized the fact that gnostic knowledge contained clear warnings against this kind of "spirituality".

Another capital point : authors such as David Icke who looked into the question of the manipulation of consciousness and of our universe by an "alien" entity consider that it's the entirety of the universe which is the play of entropic, destructive forces, and consequently, this parasitism by an interdimensional entity affects the universe in its globality. The fact to consider universe in its totality, including "etherical" planes of consciousness and other parallel universes, as being part of a single and same illusion, a matrix which traps us, proves to be a very dark vision. For Icke, the predators and this matrix use the consciences who live in these universes as food. This gives you little chance to escape this fate as a prey.

Opposit to this very dark perception, and basing on the information and science gathered by the Gnostics, John Lash has a far more positive vision : this phenomenon of predation and distortion of consciousness is only a datum particular to earth, a local anomaly only concerning our solar system. To be more precise, the consciences (that's to say "us", among other things) who live in this anomaly are altered by the Archons. These latters would make us believe that we are helpless against this predation, just as they would make us believe that they created us.

Finally, some capital information will give you another vision of Christianism. The Gnostics warn us. They warn us of the danger represented by the worship of a God who is only an interception, an image made up by the Archons. An image supposedly opposite to the man, where the latter is nothing and the former, God, is everything, the man is limited, Yahve is infinite etc. Systematicallly, the potential of man is denied by Christianism. Man must expiate his sins. This negation of man and this link of dependence set between the believer and the clergy is something that seems to revolt the Gnostics who see in man himself the resources to get free from the grip of the Archons. The interview of John Lash will leave a mark, let's be sure of that.

Karma One


The interview


Karma One : This file focuses on the idea that a parasite exists and directs our consciousness. How could we demonstrate to our readers that this parasite really exists and that the idea of "mental infection" is not a crazy idea ?

John Lash : As for an infection, the mental parasite could in reality be detected by a series of symptoms. Malaria, for example, produces violent symptoms provoked by an alien entity which invades our body. In order to clearly perceive these parasites, we must take into account the fact that certain types of behaviours could be symptomatic of a infection generated by the invasion of human mind by an alien entity.

K.O. : What is the nature and the origin of this parasite ? Is it an interdimensional intelligence, is it possible for this parasite to have taken an organic form ?

J.L : According to the Gnostics, parasites - the Archons, as Gnostics call them - come from the first phase of formation of the solar system, before the formation of the earth. They are inorganic forms endowed with intelligence and of an electric nature - cyborgs, one might say.

K.O. : Gnostic texts (the codex of Nag Hammadi or Nag Hammadi Codices, thus NHC) describe the Aeons and the Archons. To explain this in simple terms, what are the differences between Aeons and Archons ?

J.L. : In gnostic cosmology, Aeons (or Eons) are Gods, deities or divinities. However they are not creative Gods, focal entities. They're mainly massive forms of live, of conscience, streams of consciousness. They are forces who form the central nucleus of the galaxy in which we're living, that's to say the plerom. Archons are anomalies, abnormal species of inorganic beings who come out from beyond the plerom, in the limbs or in the arms of the galaxy. They're called Archons (from the Greek "Archai", or "elementary, from the beginning") because they came out first, before the earth was formed. Their bodies are made of elementary matter in a pre-organic state.

K.O. : Do you think the flyers described by Castaneda and the Archons of the Gnostics are one and the same thing ?

J.L. :Yes, I do believe they're identical.

To be following...

 

[Ben]

"I've discovered this site has a glossary, much useful indeed...
So what we find for Nephilim is : - These are 12 ft. tall humanoid beings of 3rd density that have been used as enforcers of 4th density STS rule on Earth at various times in history. These have been rarely reported in UFO sightings or abductions. According to the Cassiopaea material, this type of alien will be again reintroduced to Earth. These are the giants referred to in the Bible, resulting from the intercourse of the angels with daughters of the Earth"

Just to clarify, the C's have said that the idea of the Nephilim 'taking wives' is a 'picturesque way of describing genetic experiments'.

"There was a problem in the atmosphere of the Nephilim's planet (Orion); they needed to put gold dust in their atmosphere, so they left their planet for the Earth."

Orion is a star system rather than a planet, and the planet within this system where the Nephilim originated is '3C', according to the C's. See http://www.cassiopaea.org/cass/wave13e2.htm

As for the John Lash stuff, which I've not come across, it seems very likely to be disinformation. I'm not sure how much has been lost in translation, but I fail to see the logic of statements such as "John carries a message which is more optimistic than it seems : even if the Archons and other reptilians give us the impression to handle the cards of the game, we remain the masters because these Archons are only capable of one thing : an operation of brainwashing, the aim of which is to make us believe that they are the "bosses"

As for David Icke, you can read many opinions of him on this forum which have already cut to the core of the issue. He appears to be a 'useful idiot' who is associating these ideas with heavy amounts of disempowering disinformation.

 

[Adaryn]

Orion is a star system rather than a planet, and the planet within this system where the Nephilim originated is '3C', according to the C's. See http://www.cassiopaea.org/cass/wave13e2.htm

ok, i'll check this.

As for the John Lash stuff, which I've not come across, it seems very likely to be disinformation.

I'd like to know what in this text (other than the reference to Icke, which is only a mention of his theory) makes you think that it's disinformation. Maybe I just did'nt translate very well ; it's true that, though i tried to keep the closest to the original idea, it's always difficult to remain completely faithful to the original text.
Lash's statements are based on his understanding of the Gnostic texts and I personnally find his vision very interesting.

not sure how much has been lost in translation, but I fail to see the logic of statements such as "John carries a message which is more optimistic than it seems : even if the Archons and other reptilians give us the impression to handle the cards of the game, we remain the masters because these Archons are only capable of one thing : an operation of brainwashing, the aim of which is to make us believe that they are the "bosses"

The logic as I understood it is that the Reptilians are trapped within a lie (that's what Lash says further in the interview) which makes them believe that they created us and that they are the masters. They "implant" this belief in our mind.

As for David Icke, you can read many opinions of him on this forum which have already cut to the core of the issue. He appears to be a 'useful idiot' who is associating these ideas with heavy amounts of disempowering disinformation.

I made a search on Icke on the forum and saw he's considered as an agent of disinformation ; personnally i've never read his books, they seem too much based on fear, though I tend to agree on the idea that we live in a matrix. But it's only the interviewer who mentions Icke in order to oppose Icke's vision to Lash's vision, saying Icke's vision is far too dark and probably biased. So I don't know if just mentioning Icke means a text is disinformation. I thought on the contrary that Lash tended to say the same thing as I what I could read on this site, for example that Yahve is a negative entity (as said in the glossary) and probably the "king of the Archons" according to Gnostic texts. Anyway, are you interested in reading the rest of the interview, or shall I just leave it ?

 

[Ben]

Anyway, are you interested in reading the rest of the interview, or shall I just leave it ?

I am interested, and it looks like I need to read more if I am to evaluate this. What I said about disinformation was based in part on what is NOT said in the part of the interview you translated, I have probably been too hasty with this. I can read French fairly well so I will try to read the original.

 

[Ben]

Ok, after reading the interview I have realised that I was hasty indeed. Most of what John has concluded I see as complementary to my own understanding and I see no evidence of conscious cointelpro. I see for example that he has a similar opinion of Icke that I and many others here do. It has certainly got me interested in the Nag Hammadi texts, how did you come across him?

I think he is lacking in understanding about the idea of hyperdimensions and the nature of 'higher' beings. For example, he has interpreted the Nag Hammadi text as saying that we have greater abilities of thought (if I understand correctly, my French is not perfect!) than the 'Archons'. Maybe we have some abilities in potential which they are lacking completely, but as things stand they have the 'greater' abilities. Of course, he cannot be blamed for this and has come to a fine understanding without a source like the C's.

"even if the Archons and other reptilians give us the impression to handle the cards of the game, we remain the masters because these Archons are only capable of one thing : an operation of brainwashing, the aim of which is to make us believe that they are the "bosses"

I still disagree with this statement, because I think that it is precisely that capability, among others, which means that they ARE the bosses at this point in time. Surely they do handle the cards of 'time' and space. Perhaps the reason I see this point as important is because I understand it to be a long and difficult process to reduce their influence on us, and most of us will not be free at this 'time'.

 

[Tigersoap]

The logic as I understood it is that the Reptilians are trapped within a lie (that's what Lash says further in the interview) which makes them believe that they created us and that they are the masters. They "implant" this belief in our mind.

I am quite puzzled by this.

Did they lie to themselves then forget what it was all about ?

That sounds weird. Like they knew it was a lie but chose to forget it willingly.

If so, was the lie their creation or from something/someone elses ?

Or am I misunderstanding the whole thing ?

 

[pescado]

prayers for rain.. please post the rest of the interview. its quite interesting. and ben or anyone that hasnt read the gnostic gospels yet.. read em! very important documents... especially the sethian literature ie. the reality of the rulers(hypostasis of the archons)... as well as the syrian gospel of thomas.

 

[Adaryn]

Ben :

Ok, after reading the interview I have realised that I was hasty indeed. Most of what John has concluded I see as complementary to my own understanding and I see no evidence of conscious cointelpro. I see for example that he has a similar opinion of Icke that I and many others here do. It has certainly got me interested in the Nag Hammadi texts, how did you come across him?

I was looking for information about the Archons and the reptilians and I came across this interview on the karmapolis.be site (a site I already knew and appreciate).
If you're interested to know more about the Gnostics and the Nag Hammadi Codices, the guy responsible for the karmapolis site told me that Lash is going to publish a book in a few months, he read the manuscript and found Lash's vision of humanity fascinating.
I also found this site, about Nag Hammadi Codices : http://www.ftsr.ulaval.ca/bcnh/decouverte.asp?lng=ang_
What I find puzzling is that Lash says that the mention of Jesus or Christ in the NHC is an "overtranslation" of the codes CX and IC into Christ and Jesus, in order to fit to religious standards. It's puzzling, since the Gnostics are considered generally as the first Christians, and texts such as "the Gospel of Thomas" are considered to be a report of Jesus' words. So I want to know more.

I think he, or his is lacking in understanding about the idea of hyperdimensions and the nature of 'higher' beings. For example, he has interpreted the Nag Hammadi text as saying that we have greater abilities of thought (if I understand correctly, my French is not perfect!) than the 'Archons'. Maybe we have some abilities in potential which they are lacking completely, but as things stand they have the 'greater' abilities. Of course, he cannot be blamed for this and has come to a fine understanding without a source like the C's.

He says that according to the Gnostics, the Archons are superior in all that is technological (navigation technologies), telepathy and in imitation skills like virtual reality. If we mean by intelligence : calculation, manipulation, yes they are superior. But if we mean by intelligence : creativity, higher knowledge, empathy, they're inferior *in essence* because they don't really have a soul to allow the development of this.
And till man doesn't recognize the existence and the presence of the predator within his mind and doesn't develop his "higher abilities", the predator keeps the control. But in essence, he's not superior (according to the Gnostics).

"even if the Archons and other reptilians give us the impression to handle the cards of the game, we remain the masters because these Archons are only capable of one thing : an operation of brainwashing, the aim of which is to make us believe that they are the "bosses"

I still disagree with this statement, because I think that it is precisely that capability, among others, which means that they ARE the bosses at this point in time. Surely they do handle the cards of 'time' and space. Perhaps the reason I see this point as important is because I understand it to be a long and difficult process to reduce their influence on us, and most of us will not be free at this 'time'.

Yes that nearly seems an impossible job, quite discouraging. And that's what "they" want : that we give up. Don Juan said that the predators constantly fear of being discovered. I feel that things are changing quite fast, I can see a lot of people becoming conscious of the predator's intrusion, thanks to the C's and other authors, and also maybe the "change in the air" probably due to the coming of the Wave (?). Personnally I've had shifts of consciousness in a very short space of time, whereas normally it would have taken me months, or even years to realize certains things. I was absolutely frightened of the predators after reading the Wave sessions, and now it seems that the predator is losing ground. I don't know, I might be wrong and be even more manipulated and taking "my dreams for reality"... but I do hope that most of us will get free, and if I remember well, the C's said that we have experienced this 3D life for quite a long time now, that we had our content of lessons, and that most of us are "ready"... I wish that we were!

Tigersoap :
"Did they lie to themselves then forget what it was all about ?

That sounds weird. Like they knew it was a lie but chose to forget it willingly.

If so, was the lie their creation or from something/someone elses ?

Or am I misunderstanding the whole thing ?"

My translation might be bad... As I understood it, according to the Gnostics, the Archons truly believe that they created us, that's why they're "trapped within a lie" that they themselves made up, as many people truly believe that's there's no life after the death of the body, or truly believe that man is at the top of the pyramid of evolution. The C's said, in one of the Wave series, something about the Reptilians which stroke me and which could apply to the subject : they take their dreams for reality. So they believe that they created us, because being STS, they don't see things objectivally... contrary to the C's, who are STO, and who can objectivally see the "past, present and future".
That's how I understood it, I might be wrong though!

Pescado :

OK, so for those who can't read french, I'll translate the rest of the interview and post it as soon as I can

 

[Ben]

What this might refer to is the fact, as they created us in physical form and encouraged us to desire physicality, they may see us as their 'property' or 'creation' in their extreme wishful thinking STS state. It seems their whole plan is an attempt to subvert cycles and laws of creation and is bound to fail ultimately, but they are incapable of seeing this due to their psychopathic focus on themselves as the top of the pyramid. Sucks for them.

 

[Adaryn]

They are "bound to fail", it appears so (even if looking at the world now, it doesn't seem evident).

Further translation :

K.O. : Which event in your personal life made your attention focus on the idea that a parasite like the Archons, the flyers or a sort of extraterrestrial entity could affect our perception of the universe ?

J.L : This feeling that something manipulated our perception overcame me gradually and was not provoked by a personal and specific event. However, from the age of 4, I've had "occult" experiences, like lucid / awaken (?) dreams in which I met magical beings who came to help me and teach me, as well as other entities who attacked me. From this young age, I became directly conscious of the existence of these two kinds of interventions.

K.O. : Do you think that ET entities like the Annunakis or the Grays are incarnations of this parasite or rather that these entities are more "shaded" or possessed than we are by this parasite, this predatory intelligence ?

J.L. : I trust the Gnostics who teach us that the first predatory intelligence to which mankind is confronted is the Archons. I think the Archonts are identical to the Annunaki and the contemporary Grays.


K.O. : The Gnostics warned us against this predatory creature : they described the Archons and told us how we are affected by their existence. Did the Archons create us ? Which legacy have these creatures left us ?

J.L. : The Gnostics thought the Archons didn't create us but that they are in reality trapped within a lie and they think in fact that they are our creators. One of their main goal is to convince us that they created us - in fact, they want to lead us to think that they are our creators. For what I know, there is no "legacy" that we would have received from these ET Archons. They are inferior to us in terms of will and intelligence, though superior to us in terms of technologies of navigation to travel between the planets, just as they beat us in terms of telepathy and techniques of imitation (virtual reality). I think the Archons are identical to the "Watchers" of Enoch, those entities to whom we attribute the teaching of metallurgy and techniques of cosmetic and make-up to humanity. If the Gnostics are right, the attempt of the ET Archons to seem responsible for passing on to us certain knowledge and skills is a manipulation and the claim of the Archons to have taught us such things is wrong, I think. We discovered those talents and skills by ourselves but we forgot how we managed to. Consequently, we are likely to accept the explanation of an alien or ET intervention.

K.O. : Do you think that the Archons can take an organic form in order to exist ? Do you think that the Archons and the Greys are the same things ?

J.L. : In my understanding of things, the Archons are an unorganic species. Maybe they are made of silicon and mercury as Nigel Kerner suggests. They Greys are cyborgs who look like human form - or to be more precise, the premature shape of a foetus. Gnostic texts describe the production of the "Archon" species as an abortion, thus, the form of a human body born prematurally. The Archons are only a body, they have no soul. Yes, I'm convinced the Gnostic Archons are identical to the contemporary Greys with an embryonic type. Whitley Strieber observed that the grey ETs have a high degree of neoteny (?) (coexistence in an animal of larval characters) ; that's to say that they appear in the form of an entity who wasn't entirely developed when it was born.

K.O. : In their interpretations of Gnostic texts, academic researchers highlight the crucial part played by a character they call Jesus Christ. This character warned us of the part played by the Archons. Is it the same Jesus as the one of the New Testament ? Why is the message delivered by Jesus in the New Testament so different from the one in the Codex of Nag Hammadi ? Do we talk about the same character ? If it's not the same character, does the "Christ" of Gnostic texts represent a power which invests certain persons (like prophets) ? Is this power described in the NHC texts completely different from the power of Christ as described in the New Testament ?

J.L. : These questions are important and generally embarrassing. Certain terms in these questions reflect the typical confusion, or disinformation if you prefer, circulating about the Gnostic material. In reality, the term "Christ" never apprears in the Codex of Nag Hammadi, neither does the name of Jesus. We instead find a recurrent code : XC or XRC (translated into CHS or CHRS) in Coptic, and the codes IC and HC translated into IS. For example, in the "Tripartite Treaty" (117.10), the text mentions the term HC in Coptic. The translator changed it into H(COY)C, "Isous" which has been translated into Jesus. You can see how far go the researchers and translators to manipulate the codes in order to conform them with their prejudice. Most of Gnostic texts use terms such as "the Savior", the "Lord" or "the one who reveals" without precising at all that it's Jesus or Christ.

Researchers whose career and formation are connoted by christianism and who consider the NHC as writings coming from the first Christians systematically decode the term XRC in Christ or Chrest and IC in Jesus. In reality there is no clear and solid basis which could allow such a convention in the translation. I'm convinced that these codes don't refer to St Paul's "Christ" or the New Testament's "historical Jesus". These codes are precisely employed to prevent such an identification.

The expression "living Jesus" found in NHC refers to an inner guide, a psychic entity, not a historical person. For the Gnostics, "the living Jesus" indicates a spiritual force which cannot die. From then on, it cannot be a real human person. Jesus Christ in the New Testament asserts things that a Gnostic initiate could never say. His words and his deeds are unsubstantial in front of a master who received inspiration from the Mysteries. The Gnostics' "Christos" is not Christ, the Unique Son of God in John's and Paul's theology. The Gnostics' Christos is an Aeon, a divine force which doesn't take a human shape. The Gnostics don't accept the principle of incarnation on this matter. According to their conception, no human being has the privilege to incarnate an Aeon, a Divinity.

to be following...

 

[Guest]

I think the interview reflects Lash's sincere views, and don't detect disinfo tendencies. Most of his conclusions are supported by his research, and of course detailed suppositions regarding the nature of Archonic bodies cannot be substantiated IMO with the current official data available.

At the same time to say Archons are only body needs a bit clarification because these beings seem to present themselves as having a formless or "spiritual" nature. Pre-organic seems to be a reasonable assumption, but I would view these beings more as plasma-oriented rather than solid silicon or metal based. In other words one can approach these "bodies" possibly from the direction of being coherent or self-organized fields and forces with a rudimentary material component.

This would explain their predominant psychic potential, ability to influence the material and possess biological entities including humans. The word "Archon" means leader or "first", and I think this is in the sense of these being placing themselves at the tops of pyramidal structures of existence.

I think that their posing themselves as "creators" is simply the most effecient way for them to establish themselves as "owners". One can consider them as Hijackers of reality systems from one perspective and as vehicles of understanding and perhaps resolving entropic contradictions from another. "Aeons" simply mean "Eternals", loosly translated, and seem to indicate Presence rather than Form.

And this is just my take on this, but it's possible the Gnostic view has concentrated on the entropic/parasitic Archons influencing this planet, and that there may be Archonic forces of formation that are part of the formative world instead of alienated and attempting to dominate it. In other words, if the Aeonic component does extend through human form, and is not on the other side of some insurmountable barrier, an formative Archonic component may be a bridging aspect.

Regarding the entropic Archons, it seems that not only are they NOT creators, they are not even part of creation in the symbiotic sense. To me it seems the Gnostics focused on the pain of the world and identified it with formation exclusively instead of considering an infection within formation, and identified the Aeonic component as pure but incompatible with the problematic realm.

And of course the Aeonic component of existence would give them their liberation, but without a bridge into the realm of formation (which was rejected outright as all neg-Archonic) there was probably no way they could experience an alternative if such exists.

It is interesting that Archons are considered to be the creators of the material instead of only the infiltrators and corruptors. And what is also not considered is that there may be complexities to creation where the Aeonic variable can create, while the Archonic variable can shape what is already created. As such entropic Archons probably attempt to reshape what has already been shaped by other Archonic forces that are natural extensions of the Aeonic flux.

Just a few thoughts on the matter.

 

[Cyre2067]

Are the archons the lizzies then?