Acomplia - Don't Bother!
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OCKHAM
Jedi
Have you tried water? How much fresh water do you drink each day? If you combine that with light aerobic exercise 2-3 times a week (hey I've heard that before) you might feel healthier.
I did some research back in 2003 on water and France has one called Evian which had the highest pH I had ever seen for water sold in the store. I don't know if it is still available today. Here is what I wrote.
*July 19, 2003: Evian® Natural Spring Water - From the French Alps. Evian is a unique miracle of nature they claim. Naturally filtered through the mountains in the heart of the French Alps, it acquires its exceptional purity and unique balance of minerals. They say it is your own fountain of youth. They have sodium free listed on the label but inside the FDA required "Nutrition Facts" label they say, less than 5mg of sodium contained in the water. Evian is bottled in France. They list no ingredients.
Test Results: Evian surprised me a bit. It tested a pH of 7.8 which is inside the acceptable range but on the high side of more alkalinity. I find it unusual to find water in this state purchased in the store.
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A six pack a day might work but that is also expensive. Do you have a filter?
There was also the article awhile back that stated a women died from drinking too much water of which I suspect may be disinfo. Less food (calorie intake), more water, more sleep will probably work, try it.
I did some research back in 2003 on water and France has one called Evian which had the highest pH I had ever seen for water sold in the store. I don't know if it is still available today. Here is what I wrote.
*July 19, 2003: Evian® Natural Spring Water - From the French Alps. Evian is a unique miracle of nature they claim. Naturally filtered through the mountains in the heart of the French Alps, it acquires its exceptional purity and unique balance of minerals. They say it is your own fountain of youth. They have sodium free listed on the label but inside the FDA required "Nutrition Facts" label they say, less than 5mg of sodium contained in the water. Evian is bottled in France. They list no ingredients.
Test Results: Evian surprised me a bit. It tested a pH of 7.8 which is inside the acceptable range but on the high side of more alkalinity. I find it unusual to find water in this state purchased in the store.
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A six pack a day might work but that is also expensive. Do you have a filter?
There was also the article awhile back that stated a women died from drinking too much water of which I suspect may be disinfo. Less food (calorie intake), more water, more sleep will probably work, try it.
blindpsychic
Jedi
Ockham, what caused her death is water intoxication, she drank far too much far too quickly.
[http]://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_intoxication
OCKHAM
Jedi
Too much of anything is bad all at once, even water we assume from her incident. I still find the information coming forth suspicious in nature, as exampled:
Don't you find this contradictory?
In this instance, it seems they are telling us that water is dangerous, but yet we know people all over the planet will sit down and drink a six pack of beer or other liquid product, and do it in less than an hour and they all survive the incident. So they didn’t instantly kick over because beer is safer than water? I don’t get it.
Don't you find this contradictory?
OCKHAM
Jedi
A couple of points made are interesting. I was concerned with the logic of making the statement that something was [fatal] over a certain level in reference to whatever type of water Wiki is referring to. I assume they refer to normal water of which would contain salts and minerals. I may be making the wrong assumption about their interpretation, but it seems that making this statement without including all we would account for in all liquids, does not contain much logic.
If that were the case, we must have Coca-Cola intoxication, orange juice intoxication, and milk intoxication, and the list goes on. Are all these others fatal if you drink too much in short period? Where is the logic in making that kind of statement about water as versus, all these other product? This is what I felt was off center it seems.
I agree with you about distilled water, water should contain salts and minerals, as I assume normal water would consist of. In that case, if you filter water, and remove contaminants, have you also made the water more dangerous, as in battery water?
I wonder now if filtering water is only our best effort to get normal water, when in fact we may be removing the important ingredients along with the dangerous ones.
If that were the case, we must have Coca-Cola intoxication, orange juice intoxication, and milk intoxication, and the list goes on. Are all these others fatal if you drink too much in short period? Where is the logic in making that kind of statement about water as versus, all these other product? This is what I felt was off center it seems.
I agree with you about distilled water, water should contain salts and minerals, as I assume normal water would consist of. In that case, if you filter water, and remove contaminants, have you also made the water more dangerous, as in battery water?
I wonder now if filtering water is only our best effort to get normal water, when in fact we may be removing the important ingredients along with the dangerous ones.
OCKHAM
Jedi
I was wrong about the lady, she did die from water intoxication and swelling of the brain maybe. The BBC news article listed at Wiki did make this statement though.
We now have another treatment and this one is for water. Also, Wiki said this in the link [1].
Why do some people show no symptoms at all?
It seems we’re being told without proper water intake you risk another disorder. There is a disorder around every corner.
My mother (she is 77) who is about 85 kg. in weight has been prescribed a drug for diabetes (she is not a diabetic) by her heart doctor that has been proven to curb appetite and she says she is losing weight slowly. And taking regular walks also helps (not aerobics etc. ) Decreasing the amount of fat (oil, sugar anything that can turn into fat) and eating whole wheat bread instead of the white one really helps. Last summer I lost weight without dieting at all by going up and down the stairs and working in the garden and taking walks whenever I could and some swimming. This winter I eat whenever I feel hungry, I don't insist on a 3 meal a day routine but chocolate is my weak spot. I did not gain much just a couple of kilos but the metabolism rate of every woman can be different. And one more thing, when you go into menopause, in the first couple of years the body tends to put on more fat because fat cells act as estrogen receptors and they want to hold on to that estrogen (they even produce estrogen). And this due to our X chromosome I think.
Ruth
The Living Force
There are two body systems at work here (the liver which metabolises alcohol - as well as other things - and the kidneys which excretes water, electrolytes and all other water soluable 'stuff' some of which has already been processed by the liver).OCKHAM said:
The kidneys also have a major part to play in blood pressure control, as well as the production of red blood cells. If either one of these systems (liver and kidney) becomes compromised a person can start to have health problems. Often these health problems take years to show up and may have many different causes.
Once, I knew of a lady who thought that drinking lots of water (following the recent 'trend') was good for her. Unfortunately she wasn't aware that she was suffering renal failure and had to be admitted to hospital because the amount of water in her body became toxic as it started to put everything out of wack. Her kidneys were not capable of ridding her of the excess water. Renal failure will usually only show up after 50% of kidney function is compromised. Her brain would have become oedematous and she would have died (if she had been capable of continuing consumption of water). She was put on a fluid restriction when she got to hospital and output was monitored and given medications to get her fluids and electrolytes back into balance.
Anyway, what can cause kidney failure? Well, lot of things: viruses, infections, poisons, drugs (the nephrotoxic ones), allergic reaction sensitivities and very commonly, long term uncontrolled high blood sugar levels happening with diabetes!
As people age, and take and do things that sometimes aren't helpful (like eating and drinking too many of the 'wrong' foods) often their systems will become compromised and not work well. Health problems will start to show up, but these health problems may have had many different causes and vary from one person to another.
The best thing we can hope to do is get our systems back into some kind of balance (without setting it 'off' in another way) and hope that the body can take advantage and benefit.
Ruth
The Living Force
I don't know, but usually Drs will do blood tests and pick up abnormalites particularly in Sodium (the Na+ ion). Sodium is the most common extracellular ion in the body. Water will 'follow' it - it goes to the place where the concentration of Sodium is the highest in order to balance it out. So an imbalance of Sodium will happen when a person drinks too much water (and is unable to get rid of it via the kidneys) and also when they take too much salt - normal functioning kidneys in this instance will retain water (in order to try and balance the sodium out). A person will also feel thirsty in this instance too.OCKHAM said:
Thats what happens when a 'system' become imbalanced and Drs are supposed to use tests to diagnose where the imbalance is occuring and do things to correct it - usually finding out what caused the problem in the first place. Often symptom control is the only thing they can do, and prevention of deterioration if the person has a disease. But, unfortunately we can also, often unwittingly unbalance our systems.OCKHAM said:
wilecoyote
Jedi
Hi, Ockham, you could maybe read a bit on Laura's medical conditions. From the health info laura has provided, she does drink enough water. And also, she suffers from many injuries which have resulted from accidents which somtimes prevent her from moving altogether. I got that info. from the thread where GreyCat flips out and shows his true colors/nature. Here's that thread
http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=5201
Also, Laura asks the C's about her condition and they provide some interesting answers. Excerpts from that transcript are mentioned in the aforementioned thread.
http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=5201
Also, Laura asks the C's about her condition and they provide some interesting answers. Excerpts from that transcript are mentioned in the aforementioned thread.
brainwave
Jedi Master
Actually having been to Laura's I know she eats in a healthy manner and drinks lots of water. I don't see the issue with once in a while having chocolate or even what would be called junk. For everyday eating there is no wheat or gluten and she has fresh veggies from the garden (love the spaghetti squash BTW). Greycat just sounded like sour grapes to me. So much of her energy is devoted to this work, coupled with accidents and so on, the fact that she is still doing it is a mini miracle.
OCKHAM
Jedi
Thanks Wilecoyote,
That was well done. No, I was not aware of her accident, or her conversation about her health with the C’s. I have these books, but have not read them completely yet. I feel your ability to see this connection as more than a coincidence. I have made another connection, several actually.
I should probably share my trauma [truth] and see if this can help others. I don’t see my first recommendation to Laura in this thread having much value now understandably.
Additional connections have popped up in my mind about several things and the conversation taking place with Greycat struck a chord when I saw the word [self-esteem], and I would say this person, is very attached to this concept of thinking as presented.
This got me thinking about my experience and why I am even here today, so in sharing this story, please know I reveal my personal life to the world, so I will try to refrain on some of that.
I did not always believe that 911 was a hoax and my moving from one side to the other was quite emotional and painful. So when this occurred, I was clever enough at the time to say to myself, I must do a thorough self-analysis and determine exactly what it was that took place, and exactly what had changed in my mind. After reading the other thread Wilecoyote recommended, it hit me like a rock, and this morning, a second one hit, so let’s share them now.
When I did my first analysis of myself about 911, I had realized that self-esteem was the culprit of which I was previously not willing to let go of. The actual moment in time where I finally was beginning to fully accept the knowledge was in May of 2006. Initially, my analysis said to me that I would not accept the fact I had been so stupid, and this seemed to be the main reason for my not accepting what I now consider the truth in this matter. I believe some people would walk across hot coals to keep self-esteem in place, and letting go of it, is not anything Americans as a whole would seem to be willing to do, for any reason.
But is was not just self-esteem that was a factor in holding me back, or in accepting the fact I had been wrong, and very wrong indeed, to the point of removing all esteem in that situation. There was another attachment involved that is important to share. Now, I bet you already know what it is, and it is not an Op secret, as in Oprah.
You see, I must go back in time a little so this not confusing. At the beginning of 2006, on the 13th of the month, I turned 50, and immediately I decided it was time to flip another switch, so to speak, in my self-analysis concerning my path. When I look back now, I consider it a psychotic event, and some refer to this as a mid-life crisis, but I don’t think that is an accurate analogy. Anyway, I was not working at the time, and decided to spend 4 months on some wild goose chase to discover a new way to, yes, make money. It is an evil attachment.
I would create something only to completely toss it a month later. I did this 4 or 5 times, and at the end of it, I was pretty much worthless. That’s when I started finding websites online I had never found before, and seemingly forced myself out of the loop for awhile because I had given up, and decided I needed a more knowledge focused approach to my future.
In looking back and analyzing myself, I discovered many things. One was, I had finally started doing something I actually loved doing and was preparing for the event of change. It is strange though, it had to happen in that way. Shortly after this began, I could see something was about to happen, and that I was about to let go of something I had cherished my whole life, that being the love for money.
So, here it is almost June, and I have not made a dime all year, my bank account is shrinking fast, and the pressure is mounting. And now, I decide to make the pain go away by just letting go and accepting my stupidity. I did not let go of self-esteem alone, I had to let go of the attachment that self-esteem had to money. And that came to me this morning when I remembered the secret, and the attachment that was being made, to lock them together. That covers the story to that moment in time, and the rest of the year is even more bizarre.
So there is strong attachment between these two, and money is most often hidden, and sometimes not revealed as an attachment. And in other cases, it is revealed, as in the Oprah connection.
In helping people to understand the truth about 911, this will stop most of them from changing their minds; unfortunately, unless, we can find a way to unlock these easier than it was cleverly arranged for myself.
I would like to comment on smoking and the cat too, maybe later, a little at a time.
Just so you know, I did finally get back to work in July and worked solid the rest of the year. My life has been like this for many years, I never know when I will be working or not. I have been a carpenter my whole life and that’s another story. :)
That was well done. No, I was not aware of her accident, or her conversation about her health with the C’s. I have these books, but have not read them completely yet. I feel your ability to see this connection as more than a coincidence. I have made another connection, several actually.
I should probably share my trauma [truth] and see if this can help others. I don’t see my first recommendation to Laura in this thread having much value now understandably.
Additional connections have popped up in my mind about several things and the conversation taking place with Greycat struck a chord when I saw the word [self-esteem], and I would say this person, is very attached to this concept of thinking as presented.
This got me thinking about my experience and why I am even here today, so in sharing this story, please know I reveal my personal life to the world, so I will try to refrain on some of that.
I did not always believe that 911 was a hoax and my moving from one side to the other was quite emotional and painful. So when this occurred, I was clever enough at the time to say to myself, I must do a thorough self-analysis and determine exactly what it was that took place, and exactly what had changed in my mind. After reading the other thread Wilecoyote recommended, it hit me like a rock, and this morning, a second one hit, so let’s share them now.
When I did my first analysis of myself about 911, I had realized that self-esteem was the culprit of which I was previously not willing to let go of. The actual moment in time where I finally was beginning to fully accept the knowledge was in May of 2006. Initially, my analysis said to me that I would not accept the fact I had been so stupid, and this seemed to be the main reason for my not accepting what I now consider the truth in this matter. I believe some people would walk across hot coals to keep self-esteem in place, and letting go of it, is not anything Americans as a whole would seem to be willing to do, for any reason.
But is was not just self-esteem that was a factor in holding me back, or in accepting the fact I had been wrong, and very wrong indeed, to the point of removing all esteem in that situation. There was another attachment involved that is important to share. Now, I bet you already know what it is, and it is not an Op secret, as in Oprah.
You see, I must go back in time a little so this not confusing. At the beginning of 2006, on the 13th of the month, I turned 50, and immediately I decided it was time to flip another switch, so to speak, in my self-analysis concerning my path. When I look back now, I consider it a psychotic event, and some refer to this as a mid-life crisis, but I don’t think that is an accurate analogy. Anyway, I was not working at the time, and decided to spend 4 months on some wild goose chase to discover a new way to, yes, make money. It is an evil attachment.
I would create something only to completely toss it a month later. I did this 4 or 5 times, and at the end of it, I was pretty much worthless. That’s when I started finding websites online I had never found before, and seemingly forced myself out of the loop for awhile because I had given up, and decided I needed a more knowledge focused approach to my future.
In looking back and analyzing myself, I discovered many things. One was, I had finally started doing something I actually loved doing and was preparing for the event of change. It is strange though, it had to happen in that way. Shortly after this began, I could see something was about to happen, and that I was about to let go of something I had cherished my whole life, that being the love for money.
So, here it is almost June, and I have not made a dime all year, my bank account is shrinking fast, and the pressure is mounting. And now, I decide to make the pain go away by just letting go and accepting my stupidity. I did not let go of self-esteem alone, I had to let go of the attachment that self-esteem had to money. And that came to me this morning when I remembered the secret, and the attachment that was being made, to lock them together. That covers the story to that moment in time, and the rest of the year is even more bizarre.
So there is strong attachment between these two, and money is most often hidden, and sometimes not revealed as an attachment. And in other cases, it is revealed, as in the Oprah connection.
In helping people to understand the truth about 911, this will stop most of them from changing their minds; unfortunately, unless, we can find a way to unlock these easier than it was cleverly arranged for myself.
I would like to comment on smoking and the cat too, maybe later, a little at a time.
Just so you know, I did finally get back to work in July and worked solid the rest of the year. My life has been like this for many years, I never know when I will be working or not. I have been a carpenter my whole life and that’s another story. :)
Notice this:
Oh, of course they say "Rimonabant works by blocking food craving signals in the brain."
Sorry, but that was not my experience. It was just the opposite. I was so depressed I just wanted to eat more.
What I HAVE found that works is eliminating all gluten from the diet. That is the one thing that seems to really do away with food cravings. In many people (a lot more than is generally suspected!) Gluten and casein leak into the gut, undigested, and attach to the opiate receptors. Opiates, like opium and herois, are highly addictive. Opiates affect brain function. Essentially, many people are "drugged" on wheat and milk products, as if they were on a morphine drip.
http://www.glutensolutions.com/autism.htm
http://www.greatplainslaboratory.com/glutencasein.html
http://www.enzymestuff.com/opiatereceptors.htm
Opioid Peptides derived from food proteins
http://www.jbc.org/cgi/reprint/254/7/2446.pdf
In short, these peptides attach to the opiate receptors of your brain which can lead to the drugged/depressed feelings. My guess is that the same thing happens with acomplia only with a different receptof - cannabinoid, I believe. In addition, it's likely that, once your cannabinoid receptors are blocked by acomplia, your natural neurochemicals are blocked and lord knows what that can do.
Gluten intolerance: a paradigm of an epidemic
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0ISW/is_2002_Dec/ai_94538644/pg_2
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v301/n5897/abs/301246a0.html
Other clues to the real problem that acomplia simply isn't addressing:
A Genetic Difference At The Opiate Receptor Gene Affects A Person's Response To Alcohol
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2004/12/041220004711.htm
Modulation of post-prandial insulin release by ingested opiate-like substances in dogs
http://www.springerlink.com/content/j5j6734jkg27lh27/
In other words, if you consider the fact that you STILL have to DIET, (nothing changes about your metabolism), against the possible chemical disruption that is going on in your body, AND the price of the stuff, what's the point? Especially for a pitiful 5% advantage that you still will be suffering to get!Newscientist article said:
Oh, of course they say "Rimonabant works by blocking food craving signals in the brain."
Sorry, but that was not my experience. It was just the opposite. I was so depressed I just wanted to eat more.
What I HAVE found that works is eliminating all gluten from the diet. That is the one thing that seems to really do away with food cravings. In many people (a lot more than is generally suspected!) Gluten and casein leak into the gut, undigested, and attach to the opiate receptors. Opiates, like opium and herois, are highly addictive. Opiates affect brain function. Essentially, many people are "drugged" on wheat and milk products, as if they were on a morphine drip.
http://www.glutensolutions.com/autism.htm
http://www.greatplainslaboratory.com/glutencasein.html
http://www.enzymestuff.com/opiatereceptors.htm
Opioid Peptides derived from food proteins
http://www.jbc.org/cgi/reprint/254/7/2446.pdf
In short, these peptides attach to the opiate receptors of your brain which can lead to the drugged/depressed feelings. My guess is that the same thing happens with acomplia only with a different receptof - cannabinoid, I believe. In addition, it's likely that, once your cannabinoid receptors are blocked by acomplia, your natural neurochemicals are blocked and lord knows what that can do.
Gluten intolerance: a paradigm of an epidemic
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0ISW/is_2002_Dec/ai_94538644/pg_2
As it happens, coffee also has potent opiate receptor binding activity.
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v301/n5897/abs/301246a0.html
Other clues to the real problem that acomplia simply isn't addressing:
A Genetic Difference At The Opiate Receptor Gene Affects A Person's Response To Alcohol
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2004/12/041220004711.htm
Modulation of post-prandial insulin release by ingested opiate-like substances in dogs
http://www.springerlink.com/content/j5j6734jkg27lh27/
It should also be noted that MSG - monosodium glutamate - is in the "gluten" family.