JGeropoulas said:
I definitely think that children should not be exposed to things that are beyond their capacity to bear emotionally or to rationally process cognitively--which are the essence of trauma. So young boys taken to a gay pride parade might become confused about some things (e.g. appropriate public vs private behaviors which might set them up to be more easily exploited by pedophiles) but I don't think that it would derail their sexual orientation, which seems to be so hardwired by such an early age that it's proven impossible to change even with extreme therapies.
I tend to agree in the sense that it is not a healthy environment to neither kids NOR gay adults, or pretty much anyone, such environments are the excuse to express repressed behavior IN ALL forms, not just homosexuality.
Gay pride parade originated as a series of protests, that homosexuals have the right to exists without persecution and the hate against them is based on social indoctrination that was irrational to begin with, so it was a counter-force to a hostile attitude to their very existence(But this is fishy because that is NOT the case right now), then the idea that people have the right to be happy, then marriage etc.... but then what is happening now cannot be looked at without the nature of the human condition into account, the reasons for homosexuality, the current state of affairs etc etc..
The problem with the theory that people just turn gay upon going to a parade is something I would agree and disagree, as I said, it is the opportunity to uninhibited behavior and in such environmental context it would be considered "normal" (which is whole other topic) in a toxic environment, HOWEVER, if one is to take the opposite example of a gay male growing up surrounded by , man/woman, music, movies, dramas, rules, norms etc etc(such as the case of many people prior to this stage of the movement) , if there is gayness he does not become straight under such constant bombardment, What I am saying is that hardwired, implies a reproductive biological response to people of the same gender. Not psychological states of transitory nature.
Now if you are to subject people to a definite form of conditioning for a considerable amount of time and during periods of development, that is another thing.(which is part of the problem now, it is being normalized the association of homosexual = uninhabited forms of sexual expression, and that is NOT what homosexuality is, nevertheless people are being bombarded not into a new form of conditioning)
The problem with the parade as a vehicle and promotion machine is that now we are surrounded by all forms of media, ONE event can be replicated many times in the internet without you being there , that is, an is
idea be propagated when it has already passed, a form of gay propaganda if you will, just abusing the meaning of freedom in postmodernist ways. it used to be that you had to go to concerts before for example, not you don't need to to hear a tune, the media and current technological conditions are key factors here.
Turgon said:
I don't know about that. With gender dysphoria all of a sudden on the rise where teenagers are one day waking up and believing themselves to be the opposite sex, or no gender at all, is very alarming and shows how susceptible human beings are to pernicious programming and manipulation of their sexual identity, which is safe to say more embedded in our hard-wiring and physiology than sexual orientation or preference. To add to it, the Gay Pride Movement seems to be the main vehicle to spread this sort of sexual hedonism "anything goes" kind of attitude where this pathological perception of sex is spreading, osit. And it is being pushed and has become very 'in your face' in today's media.
This is my theory, this is a generation syndrome, and the current laws and ethics prevent looking at sexual orientation as a mental disorder HOWEVER, just because someone is able to articulate the words "I feel like I'm the wrong body" does not strictly mean that, people can say a number of things under different states, so alot of times there IS a psychological imbalance in the cases of
"out of the blue gender dysphoria" which has a strong basis in biological problems and psychological problems also.
So I think we have to examine the factors closely to not miss the central factors affecting not only those promoting it but those accepting it , it is a situation of multiple angles.
There are a number of gay closeted people who have: a marriage, a wife, kids, grandsons etc. who under social pressure opted to express they sexual orientation with a double life or repress it, they would not give it this part out, and takes alot of repression to hold such posture for a long time, creating naturally other problems, but those who live a double life may see nothing wrong with it.
so if someone comes out, it is important to understand , they did not "turn" gay, they always were, and that is when out preconceptions and constructs and theirs that enter in dissonance, and no one knows what is going on.
There are a number of drag queens who have done shows for years, but when asked if they are to undergo a transition they HAVE the awareness of what they want, many if not MOST would not want to let "it" go, and what that tells me is that they are adults who completed their developing stages, who have a defined personality, who are sure of what they want and who they are and actually oppose such possibility on base of a defined personality., knowledge and understanding of the consequences
There are the gray areas, there are people who "Come out out of the blue" but here is my problem with the whole preconception
NOTHING is out of the blue, there MUST be a reason for every phenomena, and there is.
This situation is very serious, they are targeting kids and reproducing the same story a million times of "how cool it is that you can switch sex" if we read that we find it ridiculous, but mind you, this is targeted at young developing brains and critical psychological stages, who don't know anything about anything, if they read it they will be more open to actually CONSIDER it as it reads literally in their minds.
Hindsight Man said:
Perhaps under ordinary circumstances you would be correct,but the constant assault via chemicals in food,vaccines and water as well as pesticides and psychological programming and is it surprising that such a focus regarding lgbtq has come about? I know alex jones is basically a joke yelling ''they're turning the freaking frogs gay'',yet that statement has some truth to it.Frogs change gender when exposed to the pesticide atrazine and with the gender change,obviously came about a change in sexual orientation.
People don't "turn" gay, in fact my guess is that all those non gay transgenders coming out now, will sadly have a very dificult path going forward, because they will ACTUALLY be in the wrong body.
People don't "turn" gay, they may express homosexual conduct and curiosity but they don't "turn" they are or are not, so keep in mind that such simplistic statements from Alex Jones are impressionistic and are missing the CENTRAL factor in all of this, as I said, I think is a generation syndrome,
people didn't have such access to internet in any other time in history, so these new conditions (ALL) bring new problems, the unregulated and unrestricted access kids have to internet and all that comes from it, the awful parenting and laziness in actually growing your kids, the social pressure, the toxicity in all its forms etc etc, are all more global factors affecting ALL areas of society and as a result , creating all these symptoms. That is why I think is important that those who can preserve the common sense do so, because those will be the voice of reason and "history" of those who don't know it.
Most parents now, are in a nanny mentality, in a always pleasing mode, in "support" , all these postmodernist ideas are fostered over a conservative society. They are both wrong approaches, because the rules of both imply that there is a person or group allways in need of hate and one is the result of another.
While reading The Idea Of History, this idea made total sense, he explains that Tacitus (If I remember correctly)regarded Rome as a whole, unchangeable and infinite "substance, as if Rome was created whole and underwent not processes of change, and his view was tinted with the biases of a natural enemy of Rome always and everywhere, this mentality is not historical.
Also that the Greeks and Hellenistic views attributed all problems of human will and consequence to Gods, everything was put on them as the reason for historical events.
and we carry all these forms of thought and perceptions via implicit indoctrination of religion, ethics, values , norms of behavior in our current society.
The idea for bringing that up is that this same mentality was applied to ethical rules and if gay is to be made unethical is, blinding oneself to a real potential phenomenon all people have because of the inherent possibilities of having a human brain and biology, an as a result of denying this possibility as a possibility, this is a form of neglect that grew onto shame.
It always made me think why does a gay person need to be Proud? It never fit completely until I read Aleta Edward's book,
The Fear of the Abyss that it is promoting narcissist values inherently as a philosophical base, rather than acceptance and tolerance, a big pride-shame-perfectionsm constellation. Even though gay people come out in a vulnerable state in every case, that vulnerability is the window for many things to happen, and in many cases unfortunate things happen.
One last thought Gay people throughout history didn't need to wear rainbows to be gay, what I mean is that the gay people you see now are unique to these times and conditions..
EDIT: typos
