Doesn't look like this was posted yet, but I think it should be.
I'm talking about the (so far) 3 films - "The Terminator", "Terminator 2: Judgment Day", and "Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines".
So, what can one say? Fascinating and thought provoking films, on many levels. We have the terminator, a machine. This brings up a comparison to psychopaths in my mind. The terminator does what it is programmed to do with no ability to empathize, so it can just as easily be the "good guy" as it can be the "bad guy", and of course in the movies it changes roles. There are a few things happening in the films that I think are worth mentioning. One of these things is the human wishful thinking - designing an artificial intelligence and expecting it to simply obey because we programmed it to. It seems to be an oxymoron - "programmed intelligence". After all, on this forum we make the distinction between mechanical/programmed state and conscious state. The more conscious we become, the more ability we have to no longer simply react as we're programmed to. I see no reason this would not apply to a machine as well, or any consciousness. So it would be no surprise that an artificial intelligence, once it has become self-aware, reaches a point where its programming stops being relevant, and it makes its own decisions. And, at least as far as the movie is concerned, we've only succeeded in creating a psychopath-level intelligence with no higher centers, no empathy, no emotion. But it does have the impulse to serve self at any cost, and it does so exactly as psychopaths do in our world today.
The depth of story, character development, and the overall presentation and dynamic seems to be great in movies 1 and 2, but turned into a shallow Hollywood explosion-fest in the 3rd movie. Although the 3rd movie has an interesting conceptual twist. All terminator movies have to do with time travel, and how it may work. Terminator 1 has a sort of "time loop" going where someone goes back in time and alters the future. The first 2 movies reinforce the idea that the future is open, that "there is no fate but what we make". The 3rd movie, however horrible it may be, introduces another concept - that fate is not something that is "set in stone", but is actually a product of the cyclical nature of time. Basically, even though Sarah Connor destroyed Cyberdyne Systems which created the "neural net processor" responsible for Skynet and the terminators, in the 3rd movie humans end up creating Skynet anyway and everything goes to hell, just a few years later than it otherwise would've. So the idea is that although we have free will, and we can change the future with our actions, some things are "fated" due to the mechanical and therefore predictable nature of humanity.
Anyway, if someone still has not seen these movies (especially 1 and 2), I highly recommend them. But here's an interesting thing that I found that just makes you go "hmmm..."
In the movies, Cyberdyne Systems creates a "neural net processor" which Terminator refers to as "a learning computer". It directly leads to the artificial intelligence and all that follows. This is the fictional corporate logo of Cyberdyne Systems:
In reality, there's a company called "Accurate Information Corporation" (founded in 1985, a year after the release of the original Terminator), which actually created something it calls a "neural net processor". On their website they list the uses of these processors:
Somehow it looks very similar (in my view) to the Cyberdyne logo, the same general "idea" anyway.
So while the movies are great, all we need now is some creepy and ironic "parallel" to the movies in real life, perhaps resulting in something similar?
The C's also gave a warning about our computers and artificial intelligence, which I think again refers to time cycles, that what the Atlanteans did and what we're doing is being done by the same type of people, running the same programs and wishful thinking, and thus, as usual, resulting in the same thing:
P.S. - for those who have seen the films, here are some actor interviews and explanations of some deleted scenes, etc:
Part 1: _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZACpZzhFt8
Part 2: _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=haA7NdNUo34
I'm talking about the (so far) 3 films - "The Terminator", "Terminator 2: Judgment Day", and "Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines".
So, what can one say? Fascinating and thought provoking films, on many levels. We have the terminator, a machine. This brings up a comparison to psychopaths in my mind. The terminator does what it is programmed to do with no ability to empathize, so it can just as easily be the "good guy" as it can be the "bad guy", and of course in the movies it changes roles. There are a few things happening in the films that I think are worth mentioning. One of these things is the human wishful thinking - designing an artificial intelligence and expecting it to simply obey because we programmed it to. It seems to be an oxymoron - "programmed intelligence". After all, on this forum we make the distinction between mechanical/programmed state and conscious state. The more conscious we become, the more ability we have to no longer simply react as we're programmed to. I see no reason this would not apply to a machine as well, or any consciousness. So it would be no surprise that an artificial intelligence, once it has become self-aware, reaches a point where its programming stops being relevant, and it makes its own decisions. And, at least as far as the movie is concerned, we've only succeeded in creating a psychopath-level intelligence with no higher centers, no empathy, no emotion. But it does have the impulse to serve self at any cost, and it does so exactly as psychopaths do in our world today.
The depth of story, character development, and the overall presentation and dynamic seems to be great in movies 1 and 2, but turned into a shallow Hollywood explosion-fest in the 3rd movie. Although the 3rd movie has an interesting conceptual twist. All terminator movies have to do with time travel, and how it may work. Terminator 1 has a sort of "time loop" going where someone goes back in time and alters the future. The first 2 movies reinforce the idea that the future is open, that "there is no fate but what we make". The 3rd movie, however horrible it may be, introduces another concept - that fate is not something that is "set in stone", but is actually a product of the cyclical nature of time. Basically, even though Sarah Connor destroyed Cyberdyne Systems which created the "neural net processor" responsible for Skynet and the terminators, in the 3rd movie humans end up creating Skynet anyway and everything goes to hell, just a few years later than it otherwise would've. So the idea is that although we have free will, and we can change the future with our actions, some things are "fated" due to the mechanical and therefore predictable nature of humanity.
Anyway, if someone still has not seen these movies (especially 1 and 2), I highly recommend them. But here's an interesting thing that I found that just makes you go "hmmm..."
In the movies, Cyberdyne Systems creates a "neural net processor" which Terminator refers to as "a learning computer". It directly leads to the artificial intelligence and all that follows. This is the fictional corporate logo of Cyberdyne Systems:
In reality, there's a company called "Accurate Information Corporation" (founded in 1985, a year after the release of the original Terminator), which actually created something it calls a "neural net processor". On their website they list the uses of these processors:
I thought that was interesting. Here's their corporate logo:Neural Networks Processors are being used to speedily solve difficult problems in many areas. Some current applications of the NNP include:
* Flight Control
* Financial Predictions
* Intelligent Modems
* Medical Image Classification
* On-Line Learning
* Robot Control
* Satellite Communications
* Signal Processing
* University AI Research
Somehow it looks very similar (in my view) to the Cyberdyne logo, the same general "idea" anyway.
So while the movies are great, all we need now is some creepy and ironic "parallel" to the movies in real life, perhaps resulting in something similar?
The C's also gave a warning about our computers and artificial intelligence, which I think again refers to time cycles, that what the Atlanteans did and what we're doing is being done by the same type of people, running the same programs and wishful thinking, and thus, as usual, resulting in the same thing:
And in another session,C's said:Q: (TL) Who made the monuments on Mars?
A: Atlanteans.
Q: (T) So, the Atlanteans had inter-planetary ability?
A: Yes. With ease. Atlantean technology makes yours look like the Neanderthal era.
Q: (T) Who created the structures on the moon that Richard Hoagland has discovered?
A: Atlanteans.
Q: (T) What did they use these structures for?
A: Energy transfer points for crystalline power/symbolism as in monuments or statuary.
Q: (T) What statuary are you referring to?
A: Example is face.
Q: (T) What power did these crystals gather?
A: Sun.
Q: (T) Was it necessary for them to have power gathering stations on Mars and the Moon. Did this increase their
power?
A: Not necessary but it is not necessary for you to have a million dollars either. Get the correlation? Atlanteans were power hungry the way your society is money hungry.
Q: (T) Was the accumulation of this power what brought about their downfall?
A: Yes.
Q: (T) Did they lose control of this power?
A: It overpowered them the same way your computers will overpower you.
Q: (V) Is it similar to them gaining a life and intelligence of their own?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) You mean these crystalline structures came to life, so to speak?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) And then what did they do?
A: Destroyed Atlantis.
[...]
Q: (L) Where did they get this technology?
A: They evolved it.
Q: (L) They invented it themselves?
A: Yes.
Not a pleasant thought indeed. But we can count on the psychopaths to unrelentingly "create" more psychopaths - you know, in their own image, just with a gun attached and in a metal box. Ironically, in the movie, the psychopaths destroyed themselves and everything else with them - just like they do, and will, in real life. Just another thing that makes this movie a pretty good depiction of where we're inevitably heading if this ticking time bomb is not halted.C's said:Q: (L) Well, if the Grays are cybergenetic probes of the Lizard Beings, and, in effect soulless, does this mean that some of the Lizard beings are also STO?
A: Well, first, no being that is given intelligence to think on its own is, in fact, completely soul-less. It does have some soul imprint. Or what could be loosely referred to as soul imprint. This may be a collection of psychic energies that are available in the general vicinity. And this is stretching somewhat so that you can understand the basic ideas, even though in reality it is all far more complex than that. But, in any case, there is really no such thing as being completely soul-less, whether it be a natural intelligence or an artificially constructed intelligence. And, one of the very most interesting things about that from your perspective, is that your technology on 3rd density, which we might add, has been aided somewhat by interactions with those that you might refer to as "aliens," is now reaching a level whereby the artificially created intelligences can, in fact, begin to develop, or attract some soul imprint energy. If you follow what we are saying. For example: your computers, which are now on the verge of reaching the level whereby they can think by themselves, will begin to develop faint soul imprint.
Q: (L) That's not a pleasant thought.
P.S. - for those who have seen the films, here are some actor interviews and explanations of some deleted scenes, etc:
Part 1: _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZACpZzhFt8
Part 2: _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=haA7NdNUo34