The Ice Age Cometh! Forget Global Warming!

[Chad]

Okay, so I'm wondering about something from ice age material in the sessions. Rebound has been mentioned a few times in the sessions.
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So yeah, basically I'm not sure how else to interpret the idea that the world's climate was not much colder away from the ice sheets. I'm guessing that there are very different ways to start an ice age.
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A few articles come to mind which may be of interest, if you haven't seen them already:

They're focused on Europe, and are regarding the speed of onset, and what conditions may have proceeded - i found them interesting because they seemed congruent with some of the commentary in the sessions:

(2021)

Little Ice Age triggered by unusually warm period, unprecedented cold struck within 20 years
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Little Ice Age triggered by unusually warm period, unprecedented cold struck within 20 years

New research from the University of Massachusetts Amherst provides a novel answer to one of the persistent questions in historical climatology, environmental history and the earth sciences: what caused the Little Ice Age? The answer, we now know,...

www.sott.net

', they noticed something surprising: a sudden change from very warm conditions in the late 1300s to unprecedented cold conditions in the early 1400s, only 20 years later [...]

Ice Age summers in Europe 20,000+ years ago: (2022)

Ice Age summers in Central Europe were at times significantly WARMER than previously thought, new research reveals​

Ice Age summers in Central Europe were at times significantly WARMER than previously thought, new research reveals

New method for determination of past climate data on land applied comparatively for the first time / Ice Age summers in Central Europe were at times warmer than previously known Scientists from an international research project led by Johannes...

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"Analysis of the data obtained from the ECGs shows that from 45,000 to 22,000 years before present it was much drier in Central Europe than it is today, with up to 70 percent less humidity," said Dr. Charlotte Prud'homme from the University of Lausanne, the study's lead author. "This allows us for the first time to quantify previous findings about this period." The novelty in these investigations on ECGs is that summer temperatures at the time were significantly higher than previously thought. "Although summers during the cold maximum of the last glacial were about four to eleven degrees Celsius colder than today, they were only one to four degrees below the values of short milder climatic phases that occurred during the last glacial," explained Fischer. "Given these summer temperatures, we cannot exclude that Ice Age human populations may have made a seasonal living in Central Europe during the cold maximum, at a time for which it is generally assumed that humans could not survive here," added Dr. Olaf Jöris of Römisch-Germanisches-Zentralmuseum, who was also involved in the study.

Rainfall patterns, flooding, and Ice Ages: (2020)

Ice Age summers in Central Europe were at times significantly WARMER than previously thought, new research reveals

New method for determination of past climate data on land applied comparatively for the first time / Ice Age summers in Central Europe were at times warmer than previously known Scientists from an international research project led by Johannes...

www.sott.net

Highest flooding in Europe for 500 years, historical records show correlation with abnormal cold​

The data analysis identified nine periods of floods that were more abundant and the associated regions. Among the most notable periods are 1560-1580 (western and central Europe), 1760-1800 (most part of Europe), 1840-1870 (western and southern Europe), and 1990-2016 (western and central Europe). According to the analysis, the current phase is the third most severe regarding floods"In our previous studies, especially those focused on alpine basins with glacial presence, we knew there was a high number of flood periods in the past that coincided with cold climate abnormalities"These results seem to contradict the observation which states that in some areas, such as northern-eastern Europe, the recent warm weather is aligned with severe floods.
The seasonality of floods within the year has changed as well. Previously, the 41% of floods in central Europe took place in summer, compared to the nowadays' 55%.

 

[Liliea]

Extreme cold weather in Europe, it is not only the extreme north such as Norway and Finnland that is suffering from an extended winter: cold and snow have returned to much of Europe, catastrophic frosts in the growing regions of the continent, particularly in the central areas, summer-winter weather from one day to the next

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Europe Breaks Historic Low Temperature Records As Rare Spring Snow Falls On Major Cities ​

"April 2024 will go down as one of the most incredible flips on record ... Summer to winter for some," so say the experts.

Following a spell of anomalous spring warmth, exceptional cold is now striking the likes of Italy where dozens of low temperature records have fallen (for the time of year).

Italians have been enduring some of the coldest daily highs in books dating back 100+ years, to 1873. And even at low elevations, Tmaxes have struggled to 7C (44.6F).
"Absolutely historic," writes @extremetemps on X.

In France, the southern city of Nice, with 4.4C (39.9F), has set it lowest late-April temperature since 1951.
Technically that's true, but that 1951 reading was actually set at night. Monday's 4.4C occurred during the day which, according to researchers, "probably hasn't happened [in the French Riviera] since the Little Ice Age."

Similarly in Denmark's capital Copenhagen, a very cold day was endured there.
"When the final numbers are in it may turn out to have been the second-coldest day in 250 years this late in the spring," writes local weather researcher Sebastian Pelt (certainly the coldest since 1941). Elsewhere, Jægersborg's 2.7C (36.9F) made for Denmark's lowest daily max this late since 1988.

Tryvannshøgda, Norway posted -4.4C (24.1F) overnight Monday, the lowest temperature so late in spring since 1973.

As well as one of the coldest late-April's on record, this will go down as one of Europe's snowiest, and all. Nations have gone from summer-like warmth to heavy late-season snow in a matter of days.

In den Weinbergen und Obstkulturen der Alpen werden Feuer gegen den Frost gezündet. © imago/Agencia EFE
Fires are lit against the frost in the vineyards and orchards of the Alps.

A week ago in Italy, temperatures of around 30 degrees caused apple, pear and cherry blossoms to burst into bloom, and vines also sprouted. In the coming days, sub-zero temperatures are expected at night, also in the valleys between Vinschgau and Trento. In Trento two degrees below zero are expected, in Kaltern Lake four degrees below zero and in Vinschgau even ten degrees below zero.

Electroverse

Documenting Earth Changes During The Next Grand Solar Minimum

electroverse.info

Beeindruckendes Schauspiel in Italien: Feuer in den Alpen sollen vor Frost-Katastrophe schützen

In den Obst- und Weinbaugebieten der italienischen Alpen gibt es derzeit ein faszinierendes Schauspiel. Mit Feuer und Eis wird dem späten Frost getrotzt.

www.fr.de

 

[Joe]

So what does this mean? I'm not sure. Glacial rebound implies an ice age of some type and degree, which implies a temperature drop to some degree. Doesn't it? So I'm wondering about an assumption of mine, namely that the incoming ice age will come with a drop in temperature. I was picturing something like a nuclear winter, but with comets or a volcanic event. So that's a more catastrophic ice age scenario.

Could it be that ice ages or periods of quick glacial rebound can also come in a more mild form, with relatively stable before-and-after temperatures, occurring due to certain tipping point being reached? Like the glaciers just start growing like mad over just the course of a few months, due in part to atmospheric changes and massive precipitation in Northern climes, triggered by something like the AMOC shutdown, for instance, but without a serious volcanic or cometary event, AND without a much more serious drop in global temperature?

So yeah, basically I'm not sure how else to interpret the idea that the world's climate was not much colder away from the ice sheets. I'm guessing that there are very different ways to start an ice age.

I don't think it has to happen via comets or eruptions, although certain ice ages do appear to have been precipitated by such events. But the way the next one is described in the sessions does imply some serious chaos. Can you imagine if vast swathes of Southern Canada and Northern USA, Europe, Russia and China were no longer suitable for growing crops, or even habitation for many? At the very least, a new ice age as described in the sessions implies mass starvation and mass migration. In addition, the large increase in precipitation that causes the build up of the ice sheets is likely to take a serious toll on crop growing, and that's before an ice age sets in.

 

[Cosmos]

We had quite a number of very hot days in Germany a couple of weeks ago (reaching as high as 28°C), now basically followed by winter weather with several days of hard frost at night and snow during the day. Consequence? Fairly dramatic crop failure has to be expected this year!

I do think that just a couple of relatively cold spring/summer/fall weather patterns could probably be enough (when it happens in larger areas of the Northern Hemisphere) to trigger some kind of ice age, probably accelerating much faster than anyone would expect through a domino effect, or rather, a snowball effect. We might be experiencing the first signs of something like this developing.

 

[Voyageur]

The annual North America Farmers Almanac predictions - summer 2024:



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U.S.



Global cycle of El Niño into La Niña:

Summer 2024 Forecast: Early data shows the atmosphere in a shift from El Niño into La Niña as we head into the new season​

Summer 2024 Early Forecast: What to Expect?

Summer weather patterns across the United States, Canada and Europe will be influenced by the already emerging La Niña ocean anomaly

www.severe-weather.eu

 

[Liliea]

Death toll from southern Brazil rainfall rises to 78, many still missing ​

Torrential rains that killed 78 people this week, authorities warned Sunday. From the flooded streets or from the sky, the magnitude of the disaster in the state of Rio Grande do Sul is awe-inspiring: houses whose roofs are barely visible, neighbors who lost everything in a matter of minutes and the center of Porto Alegre, a very modern regional capital where 1.4 million people live, was completely flooded.

PORTO ALEGRE/CANOAS/SAO PAULO, May 5 (Reuters) -
The death toll from heavy rains that have caused flooding in Brazil's southern state of Rio Grande do Sul has risen to at least 78, local authorities said on Sunday, with more than 115,000 people displaced.
President Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva arrived in Rio Grande do Sul on Sunday morning with most members of his cabinet to discuss rescue and reconstruction efforts with local authorities.
"Bureaucracy will not stand in our way, stopping us from recovering the state's greatness," Lula said at a press conference.
"It is a war scenario, and will need post-war measures," state governor Eduardo Leite added.

Volunteers using boats, jet skis - and even swimming - have assisted in ongoing rescue efforts. In the state capital Porto Alegre, Fabiano Saldanha said he and three friends have used jet skis to save about 50 people from flood waters since Friday in islands that are part of the city.
"The only thing we hear when we enter a street is 'help,' 'help,'" Saldanha said.

The death toll could still substantially increase as 105 people were reported missing on Sunday, up from about 70 the prior day, according to the state civil defense authority. It also said it was investigating whether another four deaths were related to the storms.
Flooding from storms in the past few days has affected more than two thirds of the nearly 500 cities in the state, which borders Uruguay and Argentina, leaving more than 115,000 people displaced, according to authorities.

https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/death-toll-rains-southern-brazil-climbs-66-over-100-still-missing-2024-05-05/

 

[treesparrow]

Heavy May snowfall in California, USA and Sverdlovsk region of Russia.

May snowstorm delivers over 2 feet of Californian snowfall in 24 hours

A massive May snowfall has delivered over two feet of snowfall in 24 hours to the Lake Tahoe region. A winter storm warning has been in force and some key roads in the region were closed for a time or required vehicles to have snow chains as a...

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The Palisades, Sunday 5 May, 2024

A massive May snowfall has delivered over two feet of snowfall in 24 hours to the Lake Tahoe region.

A winter storm warning has been in force and some key roads in the region were closed for a time or required vehicles to have snow chains as a result of one of the heaviest snowstorms of the season.

The Palisades, one of the ski areas still open in California, reported 26" (65cm) of fresh snowfall in 24 hours at the weekend.

The snowfall was driven in on gale force winds, but resulted in deep snow conditions for skiers and riders on Sunday.

Sverdlovsk region in Russia covered in May snow after the April flood

Tens of thousands of people were left without electricity due to snowfall in the Sverdlovsk region in the Urals, and water supply was also suspended in some settlements, the press service of the prosecutor's office reported. Due to bad weather,...

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Tens of thousands of people were left without electricity due to snowfall in the Sverdlovsk region in the Urals, and water supply was also suspended in some settlements, the press service of the prosecutor's office reported.

Due to bad weather, trees fall and power lines break in cities, and there are also problems with cellular communications in the region.

Due to snow removal work, buses and trucks were restricted from traveling along the Perm-Ekaterinburg federal highway in two districts in the Perm region.

 

[treesparrow]

Heavy early snowfall in Argentina and rare snow in Chile.

Bariloche, Argentina buried by 4-8 feet of early-season snowfall

Patagonia is experiencing a "historical" Fall. Spring showers are bringing May flowers north of the equator, but our friends to the south are bundling up as Fall settles in. Bariloche, Argentina, on the other hand, has skipped Fall entirely and...

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The snow storm caused roads and schools in the area to close.

Patagonia is experiencing a "historical" Fall.

Spring showers are bringing May flowers north of the equator, but our friends to the south are bundling up as Fall settles in.

Bariloche, Argentina, on the other hand, has skipped Fall entirely and has jumped straight into Winter with four to eight feet of snow falling in the first week of May of 2024.

Ski resorts aren't expected to open for over a month, but as you can imagine, that's not stopping skiers from getting after it.

Rare snow blankets Chile's capital and other parts of the country

According to local media, snow hit parts of communes such as Lo Barnechea, Las Condes, Vitacura, Puente Alto, La Reina and Pirque. Authorities have advised locals in the Santiago Metropolitan Region to dress accordingly and drive carefully....

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According to local media, snow hit parts of communes such as Lo Barnechea, Las Condes, Vitacura, Puente Alto, La Reina and Pirque.

Authorities have advised locals in the Santiago Metropolitan Region to dress accordingly and drive carefully. According to data from the Office of the Superintendent of Electricity and Fuels, 225,000 people are currently experiencing electricity supply issues.

While snow in the capital is unusual, it is not unheard of. In July 2020, snow appeared in the eastern part of the capital, specifically in the commune of Lo Barnechea. In July 2017, Santiago residents woke up to rare snowfall that blanketed the capital and caused widespread power outages.

 

[Laura]

It's looking more and more like cooling is going to accelerate...

 

[Keit]

Here's an update from Russia:

Wilfand, the scientific head of the Hydrometeorological Center, on the return to April: "On Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday, the temperature will be 5-7 degrees below the norm, a very big anomaly. The weather will lag behind its climatic development by about 3-4 weeks - which is a lot. Almost a month behind its climatic development, that's how cold the air is. On the whole European territory until Tuesday inclusive frosts. In Moscow, daytime temperatures will remain low for May. Snowflakes may appear. From Wednesday will begin a gradual rise in temperature to 16-18 degrees Celsius. During the whole week the atmospheric pressure will be elevated.

Also this:

The first ten-day period of May in the European part of Russia will be the coldest in the history of observations, said Roman Vilfand, scientific director of the Russian Hydrometeorological Center.

According to him, this region was attracting cold air masses from the Arctic Ocean "funnel" at the beginning of the month.

"Two centers with different signs - an anticyclone west of Moscow and a cyclone east of Moscow - have created conditions of pulling in, advection of cold air masses from the Arctic Ocean," Vilfand said.

 

[Keit]

And here's another update about weather in Russia:

Wilfand, the scientific director of the Hydrometeorological Center, said that most of Russia is still covered with snow: Snow cover remains on 55-60% of Russia's territory. Our country is still northern, and in the Northwestern Federal District, that is, in European Russia, there is snow almost everywhere. And in the northern half of Western Siberia, in Krasnoyarsk Krai, Yakutia, in the north of Khabarovsk Krai, more than half of the territory of Russia. In the north of the European part, the snow is very high. It is 40-50 cm there, even less in Yakutia. But in principle, this May is very cold, so we see a slight delay in the snow cover.

 

[lilies]

Carpathian Basin, Hungary, surrounded by mountains:

We had another warm winter of 2024 with an inch of snow falling, melting quickly. Second and last snowfall was a mere drizzle. Near-summer hot temperature fluctuations in March for a couple days, then cold. Weather appears to be a month ahead of schedule, causing unusual plant-growth boost typical for June... May ought to be rainy monsoon month, but so far its acting as the June dry-up, bypassing the usual 30-day heavy rains period.
Feels like the seasonal time-cycle out of whack.
Yesterday morning - in 6°C / 42.8°F - I exercised in warm clothes in the countryside from 04:00am to 06:50am. About 15 minutes barefoot on dewy grass and my toes and soles went numb from cold.

 

[Mari]

Apart from this article on SOTT about current snowstorm in Turkey, here is another video

https://twitter.com/x/status/1790756783276871788

 

[XPan]

Apart from this article on SOTT about current snowstorm in Turkey, here is another video

https://twitter.com/x/status/1790756783276871788

Ardahan in Turkey lies pretty high up; 1,811 m (5,942 ft)

Edit:

Ardahan - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Winters are quite snowy with snow cover lasting from late October to mid April. Although it does snow in September and May, accumulating snowfall is rare. On rarer occasions, it has also snowed in summer months, such as the snowfall in August 2013. The highest recorded snow thickness was 113 cm (44.5 inches) on 30 January 1968.