Hi all!!
What does this mean "ZONE OUT" or "ZONING OUT 'to Spanish?
Thanks.
What does this mean "ZONE OUT" or "ZONING OUT 'to Spanish?
Thanks.
OrangeScorpion said:Thanks Gonzo for your explication. Now I understand better. :)
If anyone can help me a bit more ... I've read in FOTCM section that there are four types of zone out practicing EE.
Is there a thread that explains these four types?
Ailén said:Could you provide a link to the post(s) where you read that?
Approaching Infinity said:My point was that samadhi as Bennett describes it seems to be the same thing as zoning out. I think the danger would be for people to misinterpret the other phenomena as 'zoning' (i.e., associations, sleep, sleep-zoning), so the fact that he makes the differentiations is a good thing. Put in those terms, most of my zoning out has been of the third variety, rarely of the fourth. And even then, it's possible that one day I'll experience the fourth and realize I'd never really experienced it before, that I was confusing one with the other.
Finally, there is the picture Gurdjieff has given of djartklom in relation to night and day. People do experience what this is about but usually fail to recognize it for what it is. During a meditation, it can happen, as many people report, that there comes about some kind of absence. These moments of not being there can be divided into four kinds. Firstly, there is just getting lost in associations and this is quite ordinary. Secondly, there is falling asleep. Then there is the sharp break, the sharp discontinuity, but one comes back as if waking out of sleep yet knowing it was not just ordinary sleep. Lastly, there is the genuine hiatus where one disappears and returns to exactly the same point not knowing if a minute or a second has elapsed. This is when our attention is exceptionally good. In the East it is known as Samadhi or trance.
Ailén said:Well, I think that's all there is. I couldn't find anything else on the web about it. The four types were quoted by AI a little earlier on that thread:
Finally, there is the picture Gurdjieff has given of djartklom in relation to night and day. People do experience what this is about but usually fail to recognize it for what it is. During a meditation, it can happen, as many people report, that there comes about some kind of absence. These moments of not being there can be divided into four kinds. Firstly, there is just getting lost in associations and this is quite ordinary. Secondly, there is falling asleep. Then there is the sharp break, the sharp discontinuity, but one comes back as if waking out of sleep yet knowing it was not just ordinary sleep. Lastly, there is the genuine hiatus where one disappears and returns to exactly the same point not knowing if a minute or a second has elapsed. This is when our attention is exceptionally good. In the East it is known as Samadhi or trance.
Personally, I don't think one should worry too much about it. Some people just don't call those four things zoning out.
Ailén said:Well, I think that's all there is. I couldn't find anything else on the web about it. The four types were quoted by AI a little earlier on that thread:
Finally, there is the picture Gurdjieff has given of djartklom in relation to night and day. People do experience what this is about but usually fail to recognize it for what it is. During a meditation, it can happen, as many people report, that there comes about some kind of absence. These moments of not being there can be divided into four kinds. Firstly, there is just getting lost in associations and this is quite ordinary. Secondly, there is falling asleep. Then there is the sharp break, the sharp discontinuity, but one comes back as if waking out of sleep yet knowing it was not just ordinary sleep. Lastly, there is the genuine hiatus where one disappears and returns to exactly the same point not knowing if a minute or a second has elapsed. This is when our attention is exceptionally good. In the East it is known as Samadhi or trance.
Personally, I don't think one should worry too much about it. Some people just don't call those four things zoning out.
The first kind is dissociation, basically.
The second kind is sleep.
The third kind is, to my knowledge, the most common one during meditation. And I like to think of it as a time when your conscious and subconscious mind are establishing a dialogue, gently bringing emotions, memories and things you need to process to the surface.
Not sure I agree with the fact that "our attention is exceptionally good" during the fourth kind. Unless I misunderstood the quote, during trance a person can't be paying attention/be conscious, really. And it can be quite dangerous too.
My 2 cents, FWIW.
Ailén said:Not sure I agree with the fact that "our attention is exceptionally good" during the fourth kind. Unless I misunderstood the quote, during trance a person can't be paying attention/be conscious, really. And it can be quite dangerous too.
Cogn Process. 2010 Feb;11(1):31-8. Epub 2009 Jul 22.
Theta activity and meditative states: spectral changes during concentrative meditation.
Baijal S, Srinivasan N.
Centre of Behavioral and Cognitive Sciences, University of Allahabad, Allahabad 211002, India.
Abstract
Brain oscillatory activity is associated with different cognitive processes and plays a critical role in meditation. In this study, we investigated the temporal dynamics of oscillatory changes during Sahaj Samadhi meditation (a concentrative form of meditation that is part of Sudarshan Kriya yoga). EEG was recorded during Sudarshan Kriya yoga meditation for meditators and relaxation for controls. Spectral and coherence analysis was performed for the whole duration as well as specific blocks extracted from the initial, middle, and end portions of Sahaj Samadhi meditation or relaxation. The generation of distinct meditative states of consciousness was marked by distinct changes in spectral powers especially enhanced theta band activity during deep meditation in the frontal areas. Meditators also exhibited increased theta coherence compared to controls. The emergence of the slow frequency waves in the attention-related frontal regions provides strong support to the existing claims of frontal theta in producing meditative states along with trait effects in attentional processing. Interestingly, increased frontal theta activity was accompanied reduced activity (deactivation) in parietal-occipital areas signifying reduction in processing associated with self, space and, time.