Will the Internet be shut down by the PTB?

dennis

Jedi Master
Would it be a good idea to have the IP address and domain name of this forum and select critical websites written down?
If the domain names like www.cassiopaea.org are "masked" for some reason maybe the numeric IP address will work?
This is one site that can be used to check, sure there are others similar
food for thought-maybe a useful thing to put together for forum members
 

dennis

Jedi Master
This is from wikipedia- there is more than one kind of flag day apparently, (June 14 is President Trump's birthday BTW)

Flag day (computing)​

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

A flag day, as used in system administration, is a change which requires a complete restart or conversion of a sizable body of software or data. The change is large and expensive, and—in the event of failure—similarly difficult and expensive to reverse.[1]
The situation may arise if there are limitations on backward compatibility and forward compatibility among system components, which then requires that updates be performed almost simultaneously (during a "flag day cutover") for the system to function after the upgrade. This contrasts with the method of gradually phased-in upgrades, which avoids the disruption of service caused by en masse upgrades.
This systems terminology originates from a major change in the Multics operating system's definition of ASCII, which was scheduled for the United States holiday, Flag Day, on June 14, 1966.[1][2]
Another historical flag day was January 1, 1983, when the ARPANET changed from NCP to the TCP/IP protocol suite. This major change required all ARPANET nodes and interfaces to be shut down and restarted across the entire network.[3]
 

Tuulikki

Jedi Master
It is amazing to what degree humanity accepts things through familiarity. Our whole lives are monitored and watched and spyed on by the PTB in the guise of improvements to keep us safe and healthy. What would be the reaction if we were able to move ourselves into the future (here and now) from thirty years ago? I am sure we would be horrified at the changes and the amount of intrusion into our daily lives. Would our early selves understand that CCTV monitoring was there to keep society safe from harm? The majority of us have now accepted that intrusion without a murmer because it has all become commonplace and introduced gradually. We have this need to be soothed and protected by some benevolent higher authority. After all they can only be doing these things for our good...can't they?

It reminds me of something I read about a frog being placed in a pan of boiling water. It would immediately jump out. If it was placed into lukewarm water that was slowly boiled it would just stay there and get accustomed to the increase in temperature until it boiled to death.
 

dredger

Dagobah Resident
Would it still be possible to communicate via non-standard ports even if DNS is down?

Would it be a good idea to have the IP address and domain name of this forum and select critical websites written down?
If the domain names like www.cassiopaea.org are "masked" for some reason maybe the numeric IP address will work?
This is one site that can be used to check, sure there are others similar
food for thought-maybe a useful thing to put together for forum members
Hello,
I had this idea a few days before and tried to get the IP address of the forum using whois. I found 82.221.128.199, and the url i typed is then https://82.221.128.199 which redirect to the site Cassiopaea - I then tried to reach the forum by typing https://82.221.128.199/forum and it seems to work - at least just tried now and it works, but when i tried a few days before it didn't (??? - or i missed somewhere)

I had same idea than Dennis because I think that they may put in place a kind of "soft shutdown" of internet, I mean, i'm not a networking expert (im in IT but not experienced in this sub-domain of the IT), but I was thinking about a simple but still major perturbation they could put in place is by putting down all the DNS servers (FYI these are the servers which traduce an IP address to a named website, like https://82.221.128.199/forum/ ==> Cassiopaea Forum). This would be sufficient to create panic among population but still allow the major automated professionnal/state internet processes (file transferts, various communications, other protocols based on IP address, etc ...) to continue to "work", but not anymore possibility for the normal people to surf on internet.
I mean : they also need internet to put in place all of their bad plans, they can't saw the branch they are sitting on ... this is at least what i'm thinking about.

I also assume that the messaging application like whatsapp/viber/messenger do not rely on DNS (but I don't know), and they would also find other ways to pertubate these "social services" ... still thinking in the context they plan to "cut off" internet, but as said, a soft cut.

So maybe that bookmarking the forum using the IP address could be a good idea.
@Scottie , as one of the tech of the forum, what do you think about ?
 

sid

Jedi Council Member
FOTCM Member
There are other ways of killing the internet in addition to DNS outage such as removing the routing tables in gateway routers, BGP poisoning etc - the latter methods kill all IP based connectivity. So, I’d suggest to just keep your eyes open and let things unravel as they would without giving too much energy to this pendulum. Internet is very much needed by the PTB to employ their control so, it ain’t gonna go down just like that and not without a solid reason.
 

Lucius

The Living Force
FOTCM Member
There are many possibilities

PTBs can shut down the internet for 1-2 days to justify the introduction of Chips for payments.
But in general, the Internet is now an invigilation tool, so why give up on such an excellent tool... ? for PTB.

in India, for example, the internet was turned off in the regions
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Honestly, it is a question of whether it is necessary and in the interests of PTB to close down the Internet. I assume that they already have access to windows/linux, 0 days back door etc. Even if someone uses encrypted connections, I assume that they are 'intercepted'.

Glenn Greenwald conducted an interview with Edward Snowden, in which they raise important issues of censorship, the functioning of the Internet and privacy.

Today, even those whose e-mails are on their own server, private and secure, send a copy to someone who has a Gmail account - it is Google who has that copy. A small group of companies can now learn more about everyone's lives by accessing content made available by people, even on their private accounts and direct messages, which are increasingly visible on Facebook, Instagram and Twitter. "They know everything about us, but at the same time they work in a very mysterious way and have very little proper supervision". - said Snowden. He added that if a YouTube or Gmail account has been banned, there is nothing you can do - because an ordinary user is not a Google client, and the giant has no time for an ordinary user, it only serves for advertisers.

Greenwald asked whether it was wrong to think that as long as Big Tech internet censorship and corporate regulations are directed against those who are considered to be dissidents and extremists, that is all right - and whether you only have to start opposing if censorship hits the user directly. Snowden believes that hardly anyone points out that censorship often attacks people because of who they are and what their beliefs are, not for what they actually say. Snowden thinks it is interesting that those who want to silence others for using the Internet to incite violence do not go to court at all - but turn to technology companies and put pressure on them to silence those people on their behalf.

The reason for this is that those who need to be silenced are portrayed as 'horrible people', said Snowden. But it also shows how restrictive laws are created and sold to the public when the worst possible examples are given to justify controversial actions. One example is the attempt to introduce legislation to ban encryption - then things like child pornography always appear as an argument to convince the public. "'Take this small group of the worst people in the world and use them as a wedge - if you do not allow us to make concessions X, then Y will happen'. Even in acts of terrorism, when the threat comes from a small group of people, the authorities want even more power after each attack, even though they already had a lot to stop the threat before the act took place.

With regard to censorship and freedom of expression on the Internet, the pressure groups that impose it do not want to use the legal system, but instead want 'exceptional powers'. The agencies are putting pressure on companies to operate on their own, beyond what the law says. This is effective because Big Tech companies, most of which are actually advertising companies, are worried about what advertisers think, explained Snowden, and therefore agree to impose censorship that goes beyond their legal obligations and even if they do not think it is appropriate internally.
 

Metrist

Dagobah Resident
I think consolidation and dependency are the controlling mechanisms that are in effect now.

Consolidation is Facebook, Google, Twitter, search engines, ect. making it easy for everyone to publish their content. And with this ease of publishing comes a TOS.
And with the popularity of these services, it is unlikely to get exposure without them. So everyone uses these services, and if you don't, it is as if you don't exist - despite having a internet presence.
So, how the service is used, is designed to make money with advertisements, and so it is like a new broadcasting medium that is evolved from television. And so consumerism and commercial interests have a venue. But it has to be enshrined in a noble cause - freedom of expression. And so it is. But the real intent is advertising and consumerism, so freedom of expression is throttled insofar as its ability to generate revenue. And it is enforced by its private ownership and TOS.
So, it is in a sense - shut down. And in another - where it feeds commercial interests - open. So, it won't be a on-off proposition of the entire internet, but a ownership-by-magnitude of it. And a evolved form of broadcasting where the masses feel as if the programming is their own - as it is gives them consumables.
So why would they turn off? They wouldn't. We would, and we do. But the internet is more than advertisements and we use it despite its entanglements.
 

nicklebleu

The Living Force
FOTCM Member
Would it be a good idea to have the IP address and domain name of this forum and select critical websites written down?
If the domain names like www.cassiopaea.org are "masked" for some reason maybe the numeric IP address will work?
This is one site that can be used to check, sure there are others similar

You cannot access the Cass forum by inputting the IP address, as the forum site is protected by a service by CloudFlare - only if the routing comes from an approved DNS server will it let it through (as far as I understand - but maybe @Scottie can chime in to correct me).
 

Niall

Administrator
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FOTCM Member
In response to the original question, 'Will the Internet be shut down by the PTB?', I think this recent answer (provided by a spokesman of the PTB) is a resounding no.

"It is clear so the COVID-19 crisis is a watershed moment for digital infrastructure and services. Digital is the fabric of our post-covid lives. We will continue to rely on technology more and more. Unless we rapidly tackle the challenge to bring high quality universal internet access to all we will not be able to build inclusive economies or achieve our system."

World Economic Forum founder and CEO Klaus Schwab, June 10, 2020
Censorship will continue, 'reality-shaping' of people's perceptions will continue, but they need the Internet more than they fear it. The Internet, if you think about it, is their system - a paraphysical matrix. If they shut it down, the herd could go free.
 

loreta

The Living Force
FOTCM Member
In response to the original question, 'Will the Internet be shut down by the PTB?', I think this recent answer (provided by a spokesman of the PTB) is a resounding no.


Censorship will continue, 'reality-shaping' of people's perceptions will continue, but they need the Internet more than they fear it. The Internet, if you think about it, is their system - a paraphysical matrix. If they shut it down, the herd could go free.
you are right. We are slaves of the Internet. We need it for everything, specially now, but they started some years ago. Bank services, payments, doctor appointments, classes, for buying things, for seeing movies, series, etc. You like it or not we need Internet and they need us in the Internet. It is like... they do not like our physical presence, our bodies, our flesh, they do not want to be near us, see us and they like us as numbers, bits. Surely they see us as loathsome beings, like cockroaches. They see us as information, not as humans. And many people are now already just that, information, and accept to be just that, a number. Very sad yes indeed.
 

SlipNet

Dagobah Resident
A lot of people are anti-internet these days it seems, but personally speaking I absolutely love it. Sure there are negative aspects, the increasing censorship being the main one, but it's just wonderful to be able to connect with people from all over the globe, which would have been impossible before. I don't do Facebook or twitter, but I love being able to converse with you folks on here, my favourite place on the web. I would be gutted if I couldn't access the forum, a beacon of sanity and realism in an increasingly unhinged society.

The internet is just like everything else in our world; some great places of quality, and other spots where you really don't want to go. Long live the world wide web, it keeps us connected in a concrete, qualitative way. Trust your discernment and learn all you can.
 

loreta

The Living Force
FOTCM Member
A lot of people are anti-internet these days it seems, but personally speaking I absolutely love it. Sure there are negative aspects, the increasing censorship being the main one, but it's just wonderful to be able to connect with people from all over the globe, which would have been impossible before. I don't do Facebook or twitter, but I love being able to converse with you folks on here, my favourite place on the web. I would be gutted if I couldn't access the forum, a beacon of sanity and realism in an increasingly unhinged society.

The internet is just like everything else in our world; some great places of quality, and other spots where you really don't want to go. Long live the world wide web, it keeps us connected in a concrete, qualitative way. Trust your discernment and learn all you can.
I agree with you,it is a fantastic tool! The thing I don't like is the control it have on us.
 

Redrock12

The Living Force
FOTCM Member
A lot of people are anti-internet these days it seems, but personally speaking I absolutely love it. Sure there are negative aspects, the increasing censorship being the main one, but it's just wonderful to be able to connect with people from all over the globe, which would have been impossible before. I don't do Facebook or twitter, but I love being able to converse with you folks on here, my favourite place on the web. I would be gutted if I couldn't access the forum, a beacon of sanity and realism in an increasingly unhinged society.

The internet is just like everything else in our world; some great places of quality, and other spots where you really don't want to go. Long live the world wide web, it keeps us connected in a concrete, qualitative way. Trust your discernment and learn all you can.
Bingo.You hit the nail on the head. The internet is just a tool. It can be used for good or evil.
 
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