Train derailments and explosions and chemical spills

[luc]

To add to the speculation, the German PZB automatic traffic control system is also used in... Israel (as well as in Romania, Austria and Ex-Yugoslavia). So the Israelis probably have access to the technology. (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indusi)

But this could also be a case of "pattern recognition run amok" - so far I think it would be good to be a bit careful with conclusions. Yes, there was the instant blaming of the train dispatcher, but it was also mentioned widely in the press that it's too early for conclusions and that the police denies this theory. The responsible persecutor in Bavaria seems to be extremely careful and insists that they are investigating "in all directions". Also, unlike the German Wings crash, where they instantly blamed the pilot, the train dispatcher still lives and can be questioned. I'm sure that the German public will demand a thorough investigation, so let's wait and see how that will turn out.

But if this was somehow planned, maybe there are different factions involved - and the Bavarians had no idea? That would explain why the Bavarian persecutor may be interested in a real investigation, while someone else has leaked the "train dispatcher story" to the press... Again, hard to say - just some thoughts.

 

[Cosmos]

But this could also be a case of "pattern recognition run amok" - so far I think it would be good to be a bit careful with conclusions. Yes, there was the instant blaming of the train dispatcher, but it was also mentioned widely in the press that it's too early for conclusions and that the police denies this theory.

I agree. Since I'm not sure either, let's speculate a bit further:

If it was a planned act from the PTB, to send a message and the location in that curve was selected beforehand to be the crash site (since it is a curve and in the middle of the woods)so almost no change for either train driver to send an SOS let alone break in time. If you look at the map it is clear that the point that they crashed is the best spot in the area so that the train drivers could not see eachother until the very end.

As we know, some fractions of the PTB are deeply into numerology and setting up targets in a symbolic way and places, like a self fullfilling phrophecy: Basically black magic BS.

So if they wanted the two trains to crash at that curve, it is likely that the speed of both trains needed to be controlled in some way, for them to crash into eachother at that point. Further, at least one of the trains needed to be intentionally directed at some point into the wrong track. It would be interesting to know, what the normal schedule and direction of each train was and if there were any irregularities.

By the way the little lake right next to the crash site is called "Mangfall". The "Mang" at the beginning of the word is according to this link (http://bfv-mbteg.de/html/gewaesser/fliessgewaesser/mangfall/mangfall.htm) derived from the word "mannigfaltig" which means manifold or multifarious. The second part of the word is "Fall" which means fall/plunge/drop. So putting it together it means something like "multifarious fall".

The little bavarian town in which it happened is called "Bad Aibling" and wikipedia has this to say about it:

Military and Intelligence Agencies

During World War II there was a military air base of the Air Force in the Mietraching district of the city. It is remarkable that in 1941 the training on Stukavorschule 1, took place on american aircrafts from type NAA 64. After the war, it was home to a US-base with a communications interception station, as part of the Echelon interception system: It was the Bad Aibling Station. This station was finally dissolved in 2004 and until September 30, the casern was completely cleared. After researching on contaminated sites, the "zero energy city Mietraching" is currently build for civil use on the site.

Very close to the former US-Casern is the Mangfall-Casern, a base of the Bundesnachrichtendienst (BND)[German Secrect Service]. Camouflaged is this monitoring station of the BND as a unit called „Fernmeldeweitverkehrsstelle der Bundeswehr (FmWVStBw)“ ["Distant-Registration-Widetraffic-Station, of the German Armed Forces (FmWVStBw)"], in reality though, this Distant-Registration-Widetraffic-Station of the BND, is supposed to be an independent body. After the withdrawal of NSA, part of the listening devices of the Field Station 81, is now used by the BND. According to a report in the "Süddeutsche Zeitung" with the name "The Monitoring Factory" from the 2. May 2015, the radomes of the interception station Bad Aibling are still being used very intensively.

So the the Bad Aibling Station (Echelon radom communication interception station) was supposedly closed in 2004, but as the "Süddeutsche Zeitung" reported in 2015, is still used very intensively. Right next to it is the Mangfall-Casern run and camouflaged by the BND (German Secret Service) as a "Distant-Registration-Widetraffic-Station" of the German Armed Forces.

As far as I can tell this "Distant-Registration-Widetraffic-Station" is the only unit of its kind in germany. Here is what wiki has to say about this casern:

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fernmeldeweitverkehrsstelle_der_Bundeswehr
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fernmeldeverkehrstelle_des_Bundesnachrichtendiensts


To make it short, it is a BND station working under NATO where the NSA (SUSLAG, Special US Liaison Activity Germany), the United States Army Intelligence and Security Command (INSCOM), Joint SIGINT Activity (JSA), Joint Analysis Center (JAC) and various other agencies are working and covert projects are located. The base is run 24 hours a day. According to Edward Snowden "in the Mangfall-Casern, NSA-interception specialists are working in a very own communications center with direct electrical connection to the data network of NSA". According to Snowden, in december 2012, this station alone gathered about 500 Million connection data. 13 communication satellites are monitored from there too. Between 2007 and 2011 the US-Operation "Neptune's Spear" was apparently pretty essentiallly assisted out of the Bad Aibling Station: The Operation for the discovery and killing of Al Qaeda leader Osama Bin Laden.

And the "Random Bad Aibling Station" right next to it, is obviously still very intensively used, despite the claims of 2004 that it was closed:
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bad_Aibling_Station

And on and on... It doesn't look like just any base, more like a pretty essential one...

In the following picture you can see how closely that Radom System and the Casern is to the crash site and the rail road, on which at least one train train that has crashed was driving about 900 meters away from the casern before it crashed:

If it was staged, then maybe the casern in combination with the radom system, intercepted the train system in some way?

 

[luc]

Thanks Pashalis, very interesting!

It would be interesting to know, what the normal schedule and direction of each train was and if there were any irregularities.

Apparently, the train in the direction of Rosenheim was delayed. Normally, it would have reached the Kolbermoor station to meet the other train there, but since it was delayed and the other train was not stopped at Kolbermoor, they crashed on the single-track route. (_http://www.zeit.de/gesellschaft/zeitgeschehen/2016-02/bad-aibling-zugunglueck-hintergruende)

Speculating further, it is also interesting to note that there are 3 black boxes involved, because one of the trains had six parts (2 black boxes), while the other only had three parts (1 black box). Now, at the first press conference immediately after the crash, the officials said that they already recovered 2 black boxes and that they will "likely recover the third today". But it seems that so far, it hasn't been recovered. One wonders why? I couldn't find any information if the missing black box is from the 3-part-train, equipped with only one black box, but this would make sense I guess. (_http://www.augsburger-allgemeine.de/bayern/Warum-es-in-zwei-Zuegen-drei-Blackboxen-gibt-id36927317.html)

But if the third black box will suddenly appear after a few days, this seems a little suspicious - enough time to replace/tamper with it.

 

[luc]

Added: The third black box has just been found "in the debris": _http://www.n-tv.de/panorama/Retter-finden-dritte-Blackbox-in-Zugwrack-article16983366.html

 

[Dirgni]

Local newspapers wrote that on 29 May 1945 there was another train crash only a couple of 100 meters from this crash place. A military train crashed into an empty train; 5 dead persons back then. They tell that after the war the communication between the stations were not available. Train drivers had to drive with sight, only.

_http://www.merkur.de/bayern/zugunglueck-bad-aibling-1945-zugunglueck-fast-derselben-stelle-6123732.html

 

[Cosmos]

So after saying that it will take quite a lot of time (weeks/months) to figure out what happened, they now say that it was human failure, by a train controller:

_http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35585302

 

[Chad]

Just to say that i know i posted a car fire - nothing to do with trains - but I’ve been hearing about them much more frequently, i think. Those and bus crashes - which may be different mechanisms to trains/trams but strange al lthe same.

Anyway, this time it's a tram. Posted by Sputnik (then found on YT):

Published on Feb 19, 2016

RAW: Man escapes after tram derails and hits him, Ukraine

Pedestrian almost crushed by tram after collision. The man escapes after tram derails off track and hits him.

https://youtu.be/7tMqeM17RYw

 

[sToRmR1dR]

Hazardous Leak Prompts Evacuation After Train Derailment in New York State

http://sputniknews.com/us/20160302/1035641953/hazardous-leak-evacuation-train-derailment-new-york-state.html

A hazardous leak has been reported following late Tuesday's train derailment in the town of Ripley in New York State, local media said Wednesday.

MOSCOW (Sputnik) — Some 45 homes have been evacuated after two of the three ethanol-carrying derailed cars began leaking, the WGRZ news channel reported, citing Chautauqua County Sheriff's Office.

​The county's emergency services advised residents to stay clear of the rail road that runs along Shaver Street, the channel said.

On late Tuesday, 18 of the train's 33 cars derailed near Shaver Street and Mechanic Street in Ripley, according to media reports. Residents within 300 meters (1,000 feet) were evacuated after one of the cars began to leak hazardous material. No injuries were reported.

Ethanol can cause intoxication and is highly volatile and flammable.

 

[angelburst29]

Tuesday March 8, 2016 - San Francisco Bay Area, California Passenger train

Commuter Train Derails, Plunges Into Creek East Of San Francisco
http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/03/08/469602093/commuter-train-derails-plunges-into-creek-east-of-san-francisco

A large tree that had fallen onto the tracks caused a San Francisco Bay Area commuter train to derail Monday night, in an incident that sent nine passengers to the hospital — four of them with serious injuries.

The train, Altamont Corridor Express (ACE) No. 10, was traveling from San Jose to Stockton, Calif., when it went off the tracks Monday night. The derailment came after hours of sustained rains.

Member station KALW's Ben Trefney reports:

The front car tumbled into Alameda Creek, coming to rest half-submerged. None of the estimated 214 passengers died. Several agencies are investigating the derailment, which occurred after a day of heavy rainfall.

Rescue crews battled the creek's currents to pull passengers from the partially submerged rail car.

The rail cars were evacuated and commuters were examined by paramedics. Initially, 14 people received treatment at the scene; nine of them were then taken to the hospital. The rail company dispatched buses to take the passengers to their destinations.

In a statement, ACE says: "We are working with our partners to restore service as soon as possible pending a complete investigation and assurance that the tracks are safe."

Service on the train line is suspended on Tuesday, according to the line's Twitter feed.

 

[sToRmR1dR]

Amtrak passenger train with over 140 on board derails in Gray County, Kansas

https://www.rt.com/news/335480-amtrak-train-derails-texas/

Five Amtrak rail cars have derailed in Gray County, Kansas, three miles (about 5km) outside Cimarron. There were approximately 128 passengers and 14 crew members on board.

"Just after midnight CT, Amtrak Southwest Chief Train 4, operating from Los Angeles to Chicago, derailed some cars approximately 20 miles west of Dodge City, Kansas, on BNSF track," the company said in a statement. "There were approximately 128 passengers and 14 crew members on board."

Amtrak added that according to initial reports, "there are no life-threatening injuries. Local emergency responders are on the scene and an investigation is ongoing."

Daniel Szczerba, one of the passengers, told CBS News that "there are many injured being taken to local hospitals."

Susan Morgan, the mother of one of the passengers, told KAKE News the Southwest Chief train was heading east from Los Angeles toward Chicago. Morgan said her daughter, a college student in Arizona, was helped out of a window to safety after the train started shaking while traveling at 75 miles per hour (120km).

Eight people were killed and over 200 injured last year in May when an Amtrak train heading from Washington to New York tumbled from its rails. The train was traveling at more than 100 miles per hour (over twice the speed limit) when it entered a curve in the tracks and derailed, investigators said.

 

[sToRmR1dR]

Three People Killed, 28 Injured in Collision Between Train, Bus in Thailand

http://sputniknews.com/asia/20160403/1037397918/bus-train-accident.html

At least three individuals on board a double-decker bus died on Sunday after the vehicle collided with a train on a rail crossing in central Thailand, local media reported.

BANGKOK (Sputnik) – The bus was hit by the train at about 7:30 a.m. [00:30 GMT] in the Nakhon Chai Si district of Thailand’s Nakhon Pathom province, the online version of the Khom Chat Lyk newspaper said.

Some 28 passengers traveling on the bus survived the crash and were hospitalized, according to the news outlet.

The driver of the bus was reportedly killed on spot in the collision.

 

[sToRmR1dR]

Amtrak train derails near Philadelphia, two deaths reported

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-amtrak-idUSKCN0X00K0

An Amtrak train locomotive derailed when it struck a backhoe in Chester, Pennsylvania, on Sunday, killing two people, local television stations reported.

Amtrak, the U.S. passenger train company, said it was suspending Northeast Corridor service between Philadelphia and New York because of the incident.

The southbound Palmetto train running from New York to Savannah, Georgia, had about 341 passengers and seven crew members aboard when it struck the backhoe.

Philadelphia's ABC and NBC television affiliates reported two deaths. The NBC station said at least one more person was injured.

Spokesmen for the Chester police and fire departments were not available for immediate comment.

In March, about three dozen people were injured when an Amtrak passenger train derailed in Kansas.

 

[Chad]

Between 15 and 20 injured in Plymouth train crash

15 minutes ago
From the section Devon

Image copyright Dominic Parnell

Image caption British Transport Police said they were investigating the cause of the crash

Between 15 and 20 people are thought to have been injured when two trains collided at a railway station.

Devon and Cornwall Police said the crash at Plymouth Railway Station was a "low impact collision" and they were not aware of any serious injuries.

Emergency services were called to the scene at about 15:35 BST on Sunday.

Some of the casualties would be going to Derriford Hospital, South Western Ambulance said.

"At this stage we believe that a moving train drove into the back of a stationary train on platform 6 at the station, and we are currently looking into the circumstances to determine how this happened", British Transport Police said.

Police have advised people to avoid the station if possible, and said delays were likely for passengers travelling through the Plymouth area.

 

[angelburst29]

Amtrak train derails near Philadelphia, two deaths reported

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-amtrak-idUSKCN0X00K0

An Amtrak train locomotive derailed when it struck a backhoe in Chester, Pennsylvania, on Sunday, killing two people, local television stations reported.

When I first read the headline, I thought the derailment might have had something to do with our weather pattern? Since around 10 last night, it began to sleet with a heavy coating on everything and the winds have been gale force. The lights were flickering on and off, until about 5 AM when we lost power until 1:10 PM. I just logged into the Forum when the electric went out again, for a few minutes. We got about an inch and a half of snow but much of our area is ice covered. By the news, Philadelphia got hit harder with the sleet and ice.

Thanks for Posting the train derailment.

 

[sToRmR1dR]

When I first read the headline, I thought the derailment might have had something to do with our weather pattern? Since around 10 last night, it began to sleet with a heavy coating on everything and the winds have been gale force. The lights were flickering on and off, until about 5 AM when we lost power until 1:10 PM. I just logged into the Forum when the electric went out again, for a few minutes. We got about an inch and a half of snow but much of our area is ice covered. By the news, Philadelphia got hit harder with the sleet and ice.

Thanks for Posting the train derailment.

You're welcome!Take care! :)