The Ice Age Cometh! Forget Global Warming!

Nice photo. Out of curiosity as I've never seen them in person - is that photo a good representation of how bright they appeared to the naked eye? Or was the aperture/exposure of the camera changed to gather enough light to create the photo?
It was done with the phone and not with a reflex (it was late and I was tired), so the picture is what phone could do, nothing more.
Look at the link shared by XPan previously, even if I do think that the photographer took them earlier than me, so it explains why mine is darker, plus his are done with a (great) reflex and manual settings.
 
It was done with the phone and not with a reflex (it was late and I was tired), so the picture is what phone could do, nothing more.
Oh I understand, it's a really nice picture and in case of any communication confusion, I'm not trying to work out your methods. My question is purely curiosity and more about your personal memory - if you think what you saw with your own eyes versus what the camera captured.....is it pretty similar? Or do you think the phone camera increased the light a bit to make it appear brighter in the photo, compared to what you remember seeing?

On my bucket list is to one day see noctilucent clouds, and auroras. I can accept my list remaining incomplete, but it's just a small thing to stay motivated.
 
Oh I understand, it's a really nice picture and in case of any communication confusion, I'm not trying to work out your methods. My question is purely curiosity and more about your personal memory - if you think what you saw with your own eyes versus what the camera captured.....is it pretty similar? Or do you think the phone camera increased the light a bit to make it appear brighter in the photo, compared to what you remember seeing?

On my bucket list is to one day see noctilucent clouds, and auroras. I can accept my list remaining incomplete, but it's just a small thing to stay motivated.
There is no problem at all MikaelYosef, nor confusion, and I'm sorry if I let you think otherwise. And in fact, I remember that light was brighter while dark was darker; My eyes have seen the whole more contrasted.

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For anyone interested, I found something about the topic of the last ice age, the coming ice age (and ice ages in general) that might be fruitful to the discussions here. I'll repost it here as well:

I have translated a section of the video above, that starts at 56:14. I had to translate it in a more free way since Zillmers speech is quite hard to follow even for germans, let alone to convey it accurately in written form! It is quite a mess! If I would have left it exactly as he said it (which I tried) no English speaker would have understood a thing I'm afraid. It would be very confusing even for a german, reading the german version. But rest assured that the translation is pretty accurate in terms of what he actually said or tried to say there, even though I had to expand here and there to get it across. I have the original transcription in German [which is pretty close to the original] if anyone is interested.

I also tried to bold important stuff, which is also tricky. In that section, Zillmer basically summaries intriguing questions/discoveries/facts about and around the topic of the ice age. The ice age topic is something that still confuses me, and it is of note IMO that what Zillmer says there seems to basically conform to what the C's have said about it in several areas years ago, which for a long time (and still does, to some extent) confuse the heck out of me.

What once sounded rather contradictory/impossible to me from the C's about the ice age (and ice ages in general) becomes clearer to me in Zillmers quote (combined with other books/papers about the topic from other angles).
A part of it also reminded me of the puzzle from the C's about the "Rhineland" in which they said on June 21, 1997: "Alfalfa fields in Rhineland yield as of yet undreamed of treasures". I wonder if there might be a connection here, since he talks about a intriguing discovery in the lower Rhineland 15-20 meters deep in the sediment. As far as I know Alfalfa is also cultivated in germany. Anyway, that is just a sidenote. Here is the quote:

And you can see the contradiction [with the animal] Hippopotamus... We have found in the latitudes in Germany an incredible number of Hippos, more than in Africa. What are hippos doing in our latitudes? That's actually incredible, isn't it? A friend of mine said; "near Vienna they found hippos in the river gravel, but no Hippo has escaped from the zoo..."

I said, you don't have to puzzle over it so much, since there have been hippos here... They can be found everywhere here, because that is just how it is. And the Pioneer of the geologists, Charles Lyell (geologists, don't like to hear that nowadays) has then had the following theory, probably because there was ice and snow and hippos couldn't of course live here during the ice age (even if there were warm periods in between):

He said that the Hippopotamus migrated up from Africa in the summer and back again in the winter.

[Zillmer says, sarcasticly:] The hippos probably wanted to cool down... But those claims must be considered ridiculous, of course, because hippos live at home [they don't migrate].

I had a big article/lecture published in the "Kölner Rundschau" [newspaper] and then I said in there, for example...; there is a book in which it is claimed that Germany was once on the equator: I said that this is all nonsense, because the climate has changed.

When we drill into the earth over here in the Lower Rhine area
(I come from Solingen near Cologne and Düsseldorf)[...], in the town of Bergisch-Gladbach or somewhere around there for example, 15 or 20 meters deep, then what you find there is tropical fauna; everything you find in the Serengeti, you also find here, with the difference being that you find it at a depth of 20 meters.

Why is it, by the way, that the buildings of Romans lie buried under mud everywhere?
The alleged
Roman buildings. That is also such a question, that people should ask themselves. But anyway, a rather long reader's letter was then sent to me by a professor, in which he said, that if I would be right about what I'm saying, one could stop all the drilling that is being done here and that what I say is all nonsense and there can't be such a thing.

To that I say; Yeah sure, then a few people would maybe have less work for a while, or you would have to maybe rethink/reconsider things. Of course, what I am saying here are seriously heavy things, because then one would have to rewrite every book: But I am simply trying to comprehend everything that is claimed from a logical perspective...

And in the science service it was then written that we have had an ice age here for a period of over two and a half million years
and, quote; "the permafrost zones reached several hundred meters deep into the earth's soil. But the decisive factor for the character of the ecosystem is the duration of the cold effects - millennia or tens of thousands of years." Well yes, let me put it that way; the so-called ice age animals had stoic calmness... - they actually write that! Yes believe it or not, they say in "stoic calm". Look here, I even marked that part, quote: "These animals endured great drought and temperatures far below freezing with stoic calmness"...

I'll put it this way, the gist of what they're saying is: a cold period came, it gets incredibly cold, the animals then stand there and have nothing to eat, the ground is frozen several hundred meters deep and in stoic calm they stand there and get used to the ice age...!?!

Oh come on, surely they can't be serious, can they?!? That simply can't be true.
[It seems at this point Zillmer tries to start an explanation on how specific animals can live and die under specific environmental/climatic conditions/difficulties nowadays, but abandons that attempt:] If an animal dies now, then.... [Now Zillmer slowly gets to the point he is trying to make in his analyses] All at once all these animals according to that mainstream view became extinct at the end of the Ice Age!?! I say, how did the animals get used to the ice age there in stoic calm for thousands of years and then the ice age stops and all of a sudden all animal species are extinct?

[Zillmer jokes or rather makes a sarcastic comment now, to bring the point across better] Probably they died out because they were so happy that they suddenly got something to eat again, because there is no other way!

[Now he really starts to get to the point] My claim is; when it gets cold the animals die out and not when it gets warm. In exaggerated terms; My wife does not leave the house at all when it gets cold without a thick fur coat, just like other people do it. So, we people dress warmly, or we would freeze to death if our heaters don't run. And the animals die in the same way. When do the animals die out?: At the beginning of a cold period, and there has been a cold period. And the animals don't die at the end of the cold period.

I am not really an advocate of the no-existence of the ice age, but I have coined the word
"snow age" instead
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For me an Ice Age that is supposed to have lasted 2.5 to 3 million years is a relatively sudden event that I would call a "Snow Age", a short time event so to speak [it is not clear here if he means to say that there were several of those "short time" snow ages within that so-called Ice age timeframe of about 3 Million years]. And then, of course, at some point there was ice, but that happened relatively quickly and violently. And to create ice from snow, you need heat. By getting colder, no iceberg can be created; you can try to comprehend/observe that fact at your own pond at home; It becomes cold, and an ice layer develops: but no glacier develops there, without snow! Right there is something one should think about very carefully; Without warmth, no glaciers!

So, when do these animals die out? At the beginning or at the end of the ice age? As you can see, we have just discussed the answer; Of course, at the beginning.


And in an Ice Age burial site (to the great surprise of people in Germany) they found a jaguar. Jaguars are animals that only exist in the tropical climate in Central America or maybe South America. And for the first time outside of America, this jaguar has been found in an Ice Age burial site here. That animal doesn't belong here [in this supposed Ice Age climate in this region, at that time]. Along with that animal, rhinos and whatnot have been found too: Animals that love the heat but not the cold.

This also has to do with our people [humans]. Humans are said to have lived here [in the latitudes germany is in] during the ice age. We now come to the next topic in this presentation; to the evolution of man as the last major topic.

Above you see [Zillmer shows a picture of the evolution of man from the ape], what we all know. We have learned (I believed in it myself for 40 - 50 years), everybody learns it, that we somehow evolved from ape-like beings. When I was young (I come from near the Neanderthal) we were in the Neanderthal with our School class and I found it great and was intrigued see things like the Neanderthal standing like that... That is not said today at all anymore...[and Zillmer goes on].
 
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Frances southern mountain range goes cold adding to the hot cold climate variable's of the coming ice age. {1}

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Large thunderstorms in the Southern Great Plains of the U.S. are some of the strongest on Earth. In recent years, these storms have increased in frequency and intensity, and new research shows that these shifts are linked to climate variability.

Co-authored by Christopher Maupin, Courtney Schumacher and Brendan Roark, all scientists in Texas A&M University's College of Geosciences, along with other researchers, the findings were recently published in Nature Geoscience.

In the study, researchers analyzed oxygen isotopes from 30,000-50,000 year old stalactites from Texas caves to understand trends in past thunderstorms and their durations, using radar-based calibration for the region's rainfall isotopes. They discovered that when storm regimes shift from weakly to strongly organized on millennial timescales, they coincide with well-known, global abrupt climate shifts during the last glacial period, which occurred between about 120,000 and 11,500 years ago.

Through modern-day synoptic analysis, researchers learned that thunderstorms in the Southern Great Plains are strongly related to changes in wind and moisture patterns occurring at a much larger scale. Understanding these changes and various correlations will not only help reconstruct past thunderstorm occurrences, but also help predict future mid-latitude thunderstorm patterns.

"Proxy records are available in the Southern Great Plains within caves," Maupin said. "There are probably thousands of caves in Southern Great Plains and in southern Texas. Why hasn't more research occurred in those areas? Cave deposits are so promising as proxies."

Schumacher said scientists understand modern-day rainfall patterns, and that large storms can deplete isotopes.

"However, we don't know what will happen in the future, and this work will help predict trends of storms in the future," she said. "If we can run a climate model for the past which is consistent with cave records, and run that same model moving forward, we can trust its findings more if it matched the cave records versus if they didn't. Out of two models, if one really matches the cave isotopes then you can trust that one in understanding storm distribution in the future."

Caves Hold Little-Known Climate Records

Maupin, a paleoclimatologist, described the limitations that exist in capturing the true distribution of weather events across time.

"There are really important questions about what has happened in the past regarding big weather events we get through mesoscale convective systems (large storms) versus non-mesoscale (smaller storms) stuff," Maupin said. "We get so much precipitation from really big storms, and model grids can't capture big weather events, because the grids themselves are so big. Paleoclimatology helps with organizing past events to develop a proxy record of how they respond to mean climate."

Maupin collaborated with National Taiwan University to do uranium thorium dating, and discovered that the stalactites and stalagmites were in fact from around the Ice Age
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Interdisciplinary Collaboration

Schumacher's expertise was needed to make connections with various rainfall events that occurred over time. She had experience working with radar data and rain measurements on a global scale.

"Large storms that cover hundreds of miles provide around 50-80% of rain in Texas," Schumacher said. "In the modern day, these storms have different isotope signatures."

Maupin's research is pushing back on outdated principles in the paleo-world, because you have to study how storms get larger and what influences them, he said.

"These thunderstorms are so big that even if most of the rain occurs in Oklahoma, rain in Texas will still carry isotopic signature of these huge storms," Maupin stated. "You're fingerprinting these systems despite where they occur, and they don't have to be super localized to be recognized. Big storms cause depleted isotopic signatures. You can't explain the variability in stalactites with temperature changes alone."

Research Experience For Aggie Undergraduates

Celia Lorraine McChesney '16 and Audrey Housson '16 were two undergraduate researchers involved in this publication, and both learned a great deal through the field work, collaboration, and high-impact learning experience.

"The samples from the caves were used as a tool for high-impact learning in understanding Texas paleoclimate," Maupin said. "One of the undergraduates started micro-milling the stalactites. I was very fortunate to have access to the College of Geosciences' resources and to work with these talented undergrads on ground-breaking research."

McChesney said her experience working on her senior thesis at the lab was "invaluable," and the research allowed her to travel and go out into the field.

"As an undergraduate research student at Texas A&M, I was proud to be part of one of the first teams to correlate climate change and weather linkages in a paleoclimate record," Housson said. "This whole experience provided great exposure to the academic world, and made me more confident as a scientist. Now, as a geologist and civil engineer, I am working on heavy civil infrastructure projects like tunnels and dams related to water resources. I love how my career ties back into my undergraduate research where knowing the correlation between climate change and weather helps plan for water resources in the future."




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Greenland added record amounts of snow and ice yesterday - 4 gigatons in one day.

Following a historic increase in snow and ice at the end of May, Greenland showed a huge increase at a time when it would normally lose snow and ice.

A look at the official figures provided by the Danish Meteorological Institute (DMI) reveals that yesterday, June 24, 4 gigatons were recorded in a single day, an astounding figure for this time of year: never before in recorded history has Greenland received so much snow and ice so late in the season.

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Such a large accumulation at this time of year has never been recorded before-at least not since DMI records began in 1981. A growth of this magnitude would be considered normal in November-February, but not in late June.

Source: Greenland added record amounts of snow and ice

 
As far as I know, binary systems and multiple star systems in our galaxy (and in the universe at large) are estimated to be a pretty common phenomenon, some estimates even going as far as to suggest that it might even be the norm rather than the exception.

Just gonna jump in on this point.

Yes, binarity is extremely common. Amongst really massive stars, the big, blue, hot ones, it goes up to about 100%. The fraction drops off towards lower masses (i.e. Sol). However, there are some caveats to that last part. Binaries are easier to find when the stars are very close (orbital periods of days to years) or when the mass ratio is close i.e. they're similar in brightness.

Nemesis, being a brown dwarf, will be extremely dim. The binary fraction for brown dwarf stars is not at all well constrained, because they're very hard to detect.

The same goes for a putative companion to the Sun. The Nemesis hypothesis estimates an orbital period on the order of 20 million years. That means it's really far away, and therefore very difficult to see. We have, it is true, found many brown dwarf stars at larger distances than that. However, detecting Nemesis could be quite challenging if it's in a particularly crowded part of the sky. The other way is via its gravitational influence on outer solar system bodies, which is how the still-hypothetical Planet X was inferred. Nemesis, however, while much larger than Planet X, is also much further out, making its influence on the Kuiper Belt much weaker.

Now, Nemesis has been rejected by the astronomical community, however this is on the basis that a 20 million year orbit would not be gravitationally bound for 4 billion years. I'm not sure I buy that argument personally.
 
Just gonna jump in on this point.

Yes, binarity is extremely common. Amongst really massive stars, the big, blue, hot ones, it goes up to about 100%. The fraction drops off towards lower masses (i.e. Sol). However, there are some caveats to that last part. Binaries are easier to find when the stars are very close (orbital periods of days to years) or when the mass ratio is close i.e. they're similar in brightness.

Nemesis, being a brown dwarf, will be extremely dim. The binary fraction for brown dwarf stars is not at all well constrained, because they're very hard to detect.

The same goes for a putative companion to the Sun. The Nemesis hypothesis estimates an orbital period on the order of 20 million years. That means it's really far away, and therefore very difficult to see. We have, it is true, found many brown dwarf stars at larger distances than that. However, detecting Nemesis could be quite challenging if it's in a particularly crowded part of the sky. The other way is via its gravitational influence on outer solar system bodies, which is how the still-hypothetical Planet X was inferred. Nemesis, however, while much larger than Planet X, is also much further out, making its influence on the Kuiper Belt much weaker.

Now, Nemesis has been rejected by the astronomical community, however this is on the basis that a 20 million year orbit would not be gravitationally bound for 4 billion years. I'm not sure I buy that argument personally.

There are multiple reasons why the nemesis hypothesis doesn't hold water. The key one you underline is the periodicity of the orbit. If the orbit is too short, there is no way to justify that it is so far out we cannot observe it. But if the orbit is in the millions of years, it does not serve as a factor to explain the short-phase catastrophe cycle.

Plus, that brown dwarf would be EM-inactive so that we do not observe it (and as per the assumed nature of a brown dwarf), and sufficiently far into the Oort cloud to not demonstrate orbital effects in the planetoids and Kuyper belt, yet it somehow would have to destabilize Sol's fairly powerful heliosphere (even for a G star), to the point of inducing geomagnetic jerks in the inner planets?

It obviously doesn't make any sense. It is still, sadly, quite popular, despite making the wildest unjustified claims of any hypothesis I've seen. The disparity in inner heliosphere disruption while no gravitational instability is detected in outer orbits would require some serious explaining.
 
Two items of interest for this thread:



If you are living west of the Cascade crest of Oregon and Washington, tomorrow will be a day you will never forget.


The latest model runs, all at very high resolution, show even more profound extremes than previously predicted. And the end of the event will be extraordinary, with temperatures falling by as much as 50F within a few hours.

Also, I noticed that there are a number of short Ice Age threads on the forum that ought to be merged with this one if some of the mods can look into that.
 
In Moscow today (28.06) there was a strong wind and a very heavy rain with hail: the roofs of some houses were torn off, the streets were flooded, and power lines were cut off. In addition, lightning struck the transformer and it exploded.





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Things are accelerating.
Here, sitting in front the computer, observing around seems to nothing is happening. At the end, there are interesting maps, couriously Mexico, land of volcanoes, hasn't the little triangles ... anything can happend, like earthquakes, that will be enough. It got my attention what to have in advance, like walki-talki, batteries and related, a wagon, hardware items, seeds, checking out the water supply, able to do things with our hands, that's why I started learning crochet years ago, I am about to start learning knitting, it would be nice to learn some carpentry and know herbs and other basic knowledge and have it printed ... we are so used to being online, so used to trasportation, so used to many things.


 

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POLAR WAVE IN SOUTHERN BRAZIL HAS THE WORLD'S LARGEST COLD ANOMALY OUTSIDE THE POLES In no region of the planet outside Antarctica are the temperatures so below average today as the Southern Cone of America with the powerful cold wave

Posted by MetSul | 06/28/2021
The polar wave of this first half of the week in the Center-South region of Brazil, Uruguay, Argentina and Paraguay brings the biggest negative cold anomaly in the world outside the poles. Nowhere on the planet are temperatures as below average outside the polar regions as the central part of South America.

There are extensive areas of below-average temperature in the Central Plains of the United States, Northern Canada and central Russia, but outside Antarctica there is no region on Monday with temperatures as below average as the central portion of South America, effect of the powerful polar air mass that covers most of the countries of the South Cone of America.

TIME | Frozen rain now in São José dos Ausentes (RS). Video by Alexandre Pereira in the Pico Monte Negro area. There are reports of frozen rain in the region of São Joaquim (SC) and in the area of Pato Branco (PR).

It snowed this morning in Santa Catarina, on the Planalto Sul Catarinense, and frozen rain fell in São José dos Ausentes (RS) and in Pato Branco, in the southwest of Paraná.

Today's lows in Argentina have reached -15.0ºC in Maquinchao, -11.7ºC in Malargue, -10.6ºC in Uspaliata, -9.9ºC in La Quiaca, -9ºC in Esquel, and -8.6ºC in Perito Moreno . Yesterday, snow fell in places unaccustomed to the phenomenon in the northwest of the province of Buenos Aires and in the south of the province of Santa Fé.

The picture of global temperature anomaly stands out today as the Northwestern United States and the British Columbia region of Canada are hot . Canada had yesterday the highest temperature in its history with 46ºC in British Columbia.

Likewise, the map shows how much of Antarctica is cooler than average. While in the Arctic the temperature is 0.5ºC above average, in Antarctica the temperature is 3.2ºC below average. This contributes to the Northern Hemisphere being 0.5ºC above the average, while the Southern Hemisphere registers today a temperature of 0.5ºC below. The weight of the frozen continent is enormous in the anomaly of our hemisphere. Worldwide, the anomaly today is 0.2°C above the average.

6-28-21
High country hikers, beware – wintery weather is once again rearing its head in Colorado, even though July is just days away.

Multiple peaks in Colorado are likely to get several inches of snow this week – particularly in the area of central Colorado's Sawatch Range. A few flakes are expected to fall on Monday night, but Tuesday night is when the real accumulation will come.

According to Mountain-Forecast.com, Mount Massive is expected to 6.3 inches overnight on Tuesday, with a little bit of snow earlier in the day and light snow possible on Wednesday night. This peak is expected to be on the higher end of accumulation totals during this wave of snow, along with neighboring Mount Elbert, as well as nearby La Plata Peak.

Other fourteen-thousand foot peaks in the Sawatch Range, including Mount Princeton, Mount Shavano, and Mount Belford, will likely see snow totals on Tuesday night in the range of three to five inches.

It's worth noting that snow in the Sawatch Range isn't just falling on 14,000-foot summits. Snow accumulation is also expected in the area of treeline and is likely below it, as well.

Elsewhere in the state, Pikes Peak isn't expected to see more than a few flurries. Same with Longs Peak. Peaks in the south, like Mount Sneffels, are also unlikely to see much accumulation due to above-freezing temperatures.

This week is expected to be a rainy one around much of Colorado. Be aware of how this impacts the trail-going experience if you're setting out on a hike. Avoid stepping off trail to avoid mud and be ready to tackle less-than-favorable conditions with traction aids and waterproof layers. Be aware that any weather forecast is subject to rapid change.

Meanwhile:



 
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By contrast to the heatwave in the Pacific Northwest, I am reminded of Moscow experiencing flooding on the streets, a station, had to be closed down because of flooding and also a shopping mall, that had a waterfall from a leaking roof.

Now this posted on RT


This is summertime?
 
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