The Arrival of Mind Reading Machines

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Haven't checked the SOTT news for 3 days because I've been so engaged in reading Laura's Adventures with Cassiopaea as well as life in general. Thought I'd give SOTT a quick glance to see what's up and omg. I see the Matrix has turned the dial up several notches.

The standard justifications for using these machines are the same as for the use of all invasive technology -- "for our safety and to prevent crime and terrorism" of course. The last paragraph about "free will" is pretty much taken care of by other Matrix technology so Big Brother probably doesn't have to worry about Free Will interferring with the mind-reading machine's accuracy.
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Article dated 3/20/07 -- on MSN -- A version of this article also appears in the Outlook Section of the Sunday Washington Post

Full-Mental Nudity
The arrival of mind-reading machines.
By William Saletan
Updated Tuesday, March 20, 2007, at 5:02 AM ET

Years ago, Woody Allen used to joke that he'd been thrown out of college as a freshman for cheating on his metaphysics final. "I looked within the soul of the boy sitting next to me," he confessed.

Today, the joke is on us. Cameras follow your car, GPS tracks your cell phone, software monitors your Web surfing, X-rays explore your purse, and airport scanners see through your clothes. Now comes the final indignity: machines that look into your soul.

With the aid of functional magnetic resonance imaging, neuroscientists have been hard at work on Allen's fantasy. Under controlled conditions, they can tell from a brain scan which of two images you're looking at. They can tell whether you're thinking of a face, an animal, or a scene. They can even tell which finger you're about to move.

But those feats barely scratch the brain's surface. Any animal can perceive objects and move limbs. To plumb the soul, you need a metaphysician. John-Dylan Haynes, a brilliant researcher at Germany's Bernstein Center for Computational Neuroscience, is leading the way. His mission, according to the center, is to predict thoughts and behavior from fMRI scans.

Haynes, a former philosophy student, is going for the soul's jugular. He's trying to clarify the physical basis of free will. "Why do we shape intentions in this way or another way?" he wonders. "Your wishes, your desires, your goals, your plans—that's the core of your identity." The best place to look for that core is in the brain's medial prefrontal cortex, which, he points out, is "especially involved in the initiation of willed movements and their protection against interference."

To get a clear snapshot of free will, Haynes designed an experiment that would isolate it from other mental functions. No objects to interpret; no physical movements to anticipate or execute; no reasoning to perform. Participants were put in an fMRI machine and were told they would soon be shown the word "select," followed a few seconds later by two numbers. Their job was to covertly decide, when they saw the "select" cue, whether to add or subtract the unseen numbers. Then, they were to perform the chosen calculation and punch a button corresponding to the correct answer. The snapshot was taken right after the "select" cue, when they had nothing to do but choose addition or subtraction.

Until this experiment, which was reported last month in Current Biology, nobody had ever tried to take a picture of free will. One reason is that fMRI is too crude to distinguish one abstract choice from another. It can only show which parts of the brain are demanding blood oxygen. That's too coarse to distinguish the configuration of cells that signifies addition from the configuration that signifies subtraction. So, Haynes used software to help the computer recognize complex patterns in the data. To dissect human thought, the computer had to emulate it.

Each participant took the test more than 250 times, choosing independently in each trial. The computer then looked at a sample of the scans, along with the final answers that revealed what choices had actually been made. It calculated a pattern and used this pattern to predict, from each participant's remaining scans, his or her decisions in the corresponding trials. Haynes checked the predictions—add or subtract—against the participants' answers. The computer got it right 71 percent of the time.

I know what you're thinking: Why would anyone want a machine to read his mind? But imagine being paralyzed, unable to walk, type, or speak. Imagine a helmet full of electrodes, or a chip implanted in your head, that lets your brain tell your computer which key to press. Those technologies are already here. And why endure the agony of mental hunt-and-peck? Why not design computers that, like a smart secretary, can discern and execute even abstract intentions? That's what Haynes has in mind. You want to open a folder or an e-mail, and your computer does it. Your wish is its command.

But if machines can read your mind when you want them to, they can also read it when you don't. And your will isn't necessarily the one they obey. Already, scans have been used to identify brain signatures of disgust, drug cravings, unconscious racism, and suppressed sexual arousal, not to mention psychopathy and propensity to kill.

Haynes understands the objection to these scans—he calls it "mental privacy"—but he buys only half of it. He doesn't like the idea of companies scanning job applicants for loyalty or scanning customers for reactions to products (an emerging practice known as neuromarketing). But where criminal justice is at stake, as in the case of lie detection, he's for using the technology. Ruling it out, he argues, would "deny the innocent people the ability to prove their innocence" and would "only protect the people who are guilty."

I hear what he's saying. I'd love to have put Khalid Sheikh Mohammed through an fMRI before Sept. 11, 2001, instead of waiting six years for his confession. And I wish we'd scanned Mohamed Atta's brain before he boarded that flight out of Boston. But what Haynes is saying—and exposing—is almost more terrifying than terrorism. The brain is becoming just another accessible body part, searchable for threats and evidence. We can sift through your belongings, pat you down, study your nude form through your clothes, inspect your body cavities, and, if necessary, peer into your mind.

FMRI is just the first stage. Electrodes, infrared spectroscopy, and subtler magnetic imaging are next. Scanners will shrink. Image resolution and pattern-recognition software will improve.

But don't count out free will. To make human choice predictable, you first have to constrain it so that it's not really free. That's why Haynes confined his participants to arithmetic, gave them only two options, and forbade them to change their minds. They could have wrecked his experiment by defying any of those conditions. So could you, if somebody came at you with a scanner or an electrode helmet. To look into your soul and get the right answer, science, too, has to cheat. Somewhere, Woody Allen is laughing. I can feel it.

A version of this article also appears in the Outlook section of the Sunday Washington Post.
 
This technology worked so well in that movie with Tom Cruise. Minority Report. God forbid they should get something wrong and then lock someone away. I have as much faith in these as I do lie detector tests. There is always a way to get around technology.
 
This subject of mind reading machines is something I need info on. Is anyone aware of a mind reading machine or device available in the USA that can read every little thought, concept, or picture in your head as clearly as if the user was inside your mind? I can find NO info on something this advanced on the net, but my stalkers claim that anyone can do this now with some simple device from the store (which they are using on me of course).

If this is true, this is a way more outrageous and horrible thing than the NSA reading people's emails and phone calls! To me at least, one's mental privacy is the second most precious thing humans possess next to Free Will. If there is a device like this that's freely available to anyone, how could one block it without resorting to a tinfoil hat? Something like this is mind rape!
 
Hello Seeker of Truth, I've only just spotted your comments, and the thought occurred to me that you don't need machines to perform this task when you have people who are capable of 'Remote Viewing', a subject which has plenty of input on the internet.
 
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Is anyone aware of a mind reading machine or device available in the USA that can read every little thought, concept, or picture in your head as clearly as if the user was inside your mind?
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No.

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I can find NO info on something this advanced on the net, but my stalkers claim that anyone can do this now with some simple device from the store (which they are using on me of course).
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Maybe your stalkers are "messing with you"? If such a device was available from your neighborhood store, wouldn't people be flocking over to get the latest cool gadget for themselves? Can it be kept secret? If it is a simple device from the store, why would it be put there unless people making it want it to be popular?

If such a device were available only as top secret advanced technology, then it will not be sold in a store. Then, speculations can run amok regarding who has it and how it is being used. Such speculations would only lead to paranoia as far as I can see with little useful or usable information from the perspective of the general public.

Besides, is the content of the mind of a general human being on planet earth at present that interesting or important to monitor? If I look at the content of my mind over a day, it usually is neither interesting or important enough to be recorded. In today's society, maybe some corporate entity could direct specialized marketing products tailored "just for me" if they could read my thoughts - but beyond that I cannot figure out what use such data would be to anyone.
 
If such a device were available only as top secret advanced technology, then it will not be sold in a store. Then, speculations can run amok regarding who has it and how it is being used. Such speculations would only lead to paranoia as far as I can see with little useful or usable information from the perspective of the general public.
The problem is, I have no idea how this device or psychic ability would work. And if I don't figure that out, I can't even begin to find a way to block it. The C's said: (this is from memory, so forgive me if a word or two is wrong)" #1--Àlways expect attack #2--Find out the means of it #3--Find a way to counteract it".
 
Seeker of Truth said:
The problem is, I have no idea how this device or psychic ability would work.

I do not know of anyone who does.

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And if I don't figure that out, I can't even begin to find a way to block it.
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If such a device is not being used to specifically target you, then your efforts to block it will not come to anything - no? If your "stalkers" lied about such a simple device being available at a store, could it be that they lied about the device specifically targeting you as well?

Anyway, a commonly practiced method in this forum for increased "protection" from the general environmental threats involves cleaning up one's diet. Many people here, including myself, have benefited from cutting out gluten, dairy and junk food for starters. Benefits have included improved mental clarity, higher levels of energy, and increased resistance to infections etc. Gluten is suspected to play a role in schizophrenia related symptoms ( forum thread link ). If this line of approach interests you, then you can network about the current state of your diet and how you can change safely. If you have medical conditions, it is best if you consult a qualified medical professional regarding diet changes. However cutting out gluten, dairy and junk food is usually considered pretty safe to try.
 
Besides, is the content of the mind of a general human being on planet earth at present that interesting or important to monitor? If I look at the content of my mind over a day, it usually is neither interesting or important enough to be recorded. In today's society, maybe some corporate entity could direct specialized marketing products tailored "just for me" if they could read my thoughts - but beyond that I cannot figure out what use such data would be to anyone.

I have to note that this literally made me laugh out loud due to the validity of it. Quite honestly I don't even know the thoughts or mental images I get all day anyways. If you can think it, theres probably a way that it can be done but...

#1--Àlways expect attack #2--Find out the means of it #3--Find a way to counteract it".

Knowledge protects, and I wouldn't necessarily say that means knowing about the newest mind reading gadget. I wouldn't worry about it to much, I am thinking 4th density has more transparency in respect to "thoughts" so its something to think about :)


Mod's note: fixed quotes
 
As it turns out, it's the US Army and the CIA that are doing it, and since I'm not long for this world once They finally swoop in to disappear me, just remember and spread the word EVERYWHERE that these people can in fact read anyone's mind that they choose, as well as target you and destroy your life, as they have mine. I know I sound crazy, and I am in many ways, but I am definitely positive about this. Use your network to spread the word.
 
big-picture said:
....and apparently I don't know how to quote :-[

Just so you know....you had a backslash (/) on both quote tags. This is only used to end the quote so it should appear like this (without the spaces):

[ quote ] text [ /quote ]

You can also do this by highlighting the test you wish to quote and, then, click on the quote icon (the on that looks like a talk bubble).

Hope this helps. :)
 
Thank you!! I should probably go and re-read the forum guidelines its been a few years, I don't generally post much. I appreciate the information!! shall make it much easier.

As for the CIA being able to read our minds, this doesn't shock me. Don't let the fear of it consume you, Just keep working on yourself and the work and continue on. Remember we are just here to learn lessons.
 
big-picture said:
As for the CIA being able to read our minds, this doesn't shock me.

If they have such machines that can mind read from a distance, they would be reading the minds of Putin, Xi Jinping and their close advisors. They don't seem to be doing a good job reading Russian or Chinese moves. But then, one could argue that the important people in Russia and China have advanced mind reader blocking machines not available for the public.

Remote viewing, which Musicman referred to earlier, was something both the CIA and the KGB experimented with during the Cold War.
 
I'm kind of doubtful about third density mind reading machines. It seems it would be inefficient. I mean, doesn't 4D have to put implants in for monitoring? It seems like it's just not so easy.

And then there is mental blocking and FRV to think about. When I get a left ear ring, I'm usually annoyed and think, "Go away!", "What do you want?", or a series of expletives.
 
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