Something is bothering me.

[neema]

Hello all.

I have been thinking about networking this issue for a while now.

I have been a long time reader of Laura’s work. I also have had the opportunity to join the FOTCM. I was also part of the private group when it was first formed years ago. I also had the opportunity to participate in face to face meetups and met some long time members.

I won’t get into the details too much but long story short, due to lack of my aim with the core group it was decided at that point that perhaps it is best that I am not fit for the private group.

There was more than just lack of aim on my part. I was also ignorant of the severity of several programs that I was oh so blind to.

Of course at the time I didn’t understand what was going on so I was angary and confused. In the long run though, I think that was one of the kindest and probably also a difficult decision to have been made in my regards. It really was the shock that started my current journey that I feel is coming to a close, as I am about to start another. More on that later.

Speaking of anger, boy was I an angry person. Looking back wow, the kindness I was treated with was amazing.
I can see how much energy went in trying to bring to my attention the glaring problems I was displaying.
To those of you who tried, you know who you are, thank you from the bottom of my heart.
Please accept my apologies for my stubborn nature.

Let’s discuss the programs that have been with me most of my life that directly affected me from being a productive member of the FOTCM. I mention this because before my departure from the private group, there was several failed attempts at getting me involved more with the group.

My major programs first.

One of the big ones for me has always been my need for validation. Due to my upbringing I have a major problem with this program. For me it took moving to Mexico and teaching in a high school for 4 years, to enlighten me to my “hunger”.

Ah… kids can teach you so much.

What worked for me is I learned to discipline myself to remember that every idea and decision I have can be tainted by my unbalanced desire for validation. Over time I learned to recognize when the “hunger” was the most active and deny it nourishment.

It’s not easy realizing you are a phony, doing things all for the wrong reasons. Simply that’s why so many of my attempts at “helping” out, fell flat on its face.

As I already mentioned, another big one for me is my anger. Again due to upbringing and being abused while growing up. At first I just wanted to shut down that part of me or imprison that aspect of my mind. I learned through time though that the key is not to get rid of anything but to tame the “beast”, and utilize its energy. The important part is to accept and feel the anger as an internal red alert to a situation in your life that might be very important. If done right, inside you may have tremendous heat that you can use to achieve so many things. All the while no one outside of you has any idea you are transmuting this energy. In other words, you do not engage in unruly, abusive or passive aggressive behavior towards others because you are “blind” with anger. I don’t know if I’m making sense.

Another major one for me is my stubbornness. Meaning too much. I believe for me this imbalance has been because of a combo of cultural programing (Persian pride) and again upbringing in general. As with other imbalances one must learn to utilize its energy and in doing so bring balance. As a positive way one can utilize stubbornness is obviously inventing or repairing things. Where constant failure can take its toll, stubbornness can help persevere till success.

I guess one of the big lessons for me has been the importance of balance in everything that we do, we engage in, and in ourselves. Example being, we have all learned being unhealthy is just a state of imbalance.

Another lesson for me is also that my programs can and will be amplified if not constantly monitored and communicated with through a network of objective individuals. Sure I post here and there but not enough when it counted. To my knowledge this amplification happens as we are increasing our vibrational frequency. I guess what we call the general law. It wants to bring imbalance. That’s why once you truly start on this “journey” there really isn’t going back, so one must come to really internalize this ramification.

Ok so in the spirit of networking and now that I’m done with the general background info, I will get to my point.

My dream has always been to own land and be as independent from the current system to as much as practically possible. 15 years ago when I was living in Canada I did attempt that very thing. But basically I did everything “wrong” that can be possibly done. I also did not network in the way I needed to, to really be able to achieve something. Also a major problem was my father’s involvement in securing the loan for the mortgage. At the time I could not do it without his help. Let’s just say I learned many difficult lessons. My Father is a good hard working man. But like everyone he has programs. So at the time I was not getting along with my parents.

Funny thing is once I set healthy boundaries with them our relationship has improved dramatically as I talk to my mom every Sunday. I have also come to really accept them for who they are.

Could also be the fact that I live two countries away now!

Ok fast forward to now, life after Covid Idiocracy. I have been let go of my teaching job as the school has been hit hard financially. I actually think it’s a good thing because I couldn’t teach in the new child abusive Covid system. I have also managed to save up a little and some investments I have has matured. So I am nervous about leaving it in the current financial system and want to take it out and invest it into hard assets, i.e. land.

My plan is to buy 50 acres of farmland in a mountainous area of the region of Mexico I am living in. I also want to buy it under a nonprofit LLC. I plan to invest in infrastructure and turn the land into an agroecology school for the area.

Although I am happy and excited there is a part of me that wanted to network about this before I go ahead with my plan. You see I’ve never been happier in my life then now. I know it seems weird. But as I read the forum and feel the hard lessons everyone is going through I can’t help but notice several things.

Mexico is one of the only countries that you can still come too without a covid test or needing to quarantine. I have established connections with people here in Mexico that can help anyone with a path to residency. (I have helped several people now) And I just happen to come into some money recently.

Obviously I know what the FOTCM is doing and aiming for. Of course I would love to try and do something in coordination with the group here. Maybe the land can be donated to the church so another working group can be established or something?

I really don’t know.

As you guys are my extended family I guess I just wanted to share what’s going on in my life in general, and get some feedback on an important life moment.

I’m not necessarily suggesting anything particular, this window might be short and I just wanted to put this information on here.

 

[Oxajil]

Thank you for sharing, neema. Here are just some questions, thoughts and ideas:

Ok fast forward to now, life after Covid Idiocracy. I have been let go of my teaching job as the school has been hit hard financially. I actually think it’s a good thing because I couldn’t teach in the new child abusive Covid system. I have also managed to save up a little and some investments I have has matured. So I am nervous about leaving it in the current financial system and want to take it out and invest it into hard assets, i.e. land.

My plan is to buy 50 acres of farmland in a mountainous area of the region of Mexico I am living in. I also want to buy it under a nonprofit LLC. I plan to invest in infrastructure and turn the land into an agroecology school for the area.

Infrastructure and an agroecology school will cost a lot I'd think. How would you finance that? [Added: Or do you mean that your savings will cover building/setting up the school as well?] It sounds good to me to invest into hard assets, but how will you buy necessities if you use up your savings on farmland? By selling produce? Have you considered buying a house/apartment instead and making profits by renting it out (if possible, and if it would mean a decent income)?

You wrote that you're glad you're not teaching at the school anymore because of the abusive Covid system (understandably so!), but say you manage to set up your school, there's no telling what draconian laws your school will be forced to follow by then. What kind of work would you like to do or is it mainly wanting to be a teacher or working in a school setting? For what it's worth!

 

[neema]

Hi Oxajil. Thanks for the questions. All very good.

do you mean that your savings will cover building/setting up the school as well?

That’s exactly it. I have enough finances to purchase the land outright, and the buildings (combo of mobile homes + palapas). This would be the first stage. In the second stage I plan to build a more permanent brick structures in the style of Guastavino Vaulting. I have been studying the style for a while now, and I know that there are builders out here that use the technique. It’s a lost style that is very interesting in overall cost as compared to modern building methods.

Have you considered buying a house/apartment instead and making profits by renting it out (if possible, and if it would mean a decent income)?

Very good point. But since I have a decent income doing online work all I need really is a good internet connection. My thinking is soon enough in this world if you don’t create your own food your going to be in trouble.

but say you manage to set up your school, there's no telling what draconian laws your school will be forced to follow by then.

Again good point. I was too vague on the idea of the school.
I think a better way of putting it is, I want to build an agroecology farm as a sample for the area.
It will not be a school in a sense of students pay tuition and learn a particular curriculum. Or even have any class rooms. It’s the total concept that I will use to make all kinds of vegetables, fruits, and meat. It will be hard work but if done right there will be plenty of bounty. The school part will be a bonus if it happens as I am not relying on it for any particular purpose. It is pure altruism for anyone interested in duplication of the methods for themselves.

I have a feeling there will be a massive need for a different approach as things tighten around the world. The farm will be open to anyone willing to see it in action. Of course I have plans for sustainable off grid power systems as well.

agroecology school will cost a lot I'd think.

Actually if you research it, agroecology is a holistic approach to farming and it is much less resource intensive then traditional chemical based farming. So it’s a lot more cost effective.

Here is a small definition of agroecology:

Is farming that "centers on food production that makes the best use of nature's goods and services while not damaging these resources." Farming thrives when it works with local ecosystems, for example, improving soil and plant quality through available biomass and biodiversity, rather than battling nature with chemical inputs.

Also I am looking at land in the Mexican state that I believe never closed down during all of the pandemic (Chiapas). Or they went green faster than any other state.

What kind of work would you like to do or is it mainly wanting to be a teacher or working in a school setting?

I will be working in whatever capacity that I’m capable of.
Again the school is just a charitable thing and not the main focus of what I want to do.

For me at this point of my life, this activity seems like a kind of personal Noah's ark. Seems like a fun project and maybe in the very near future it will come in handy.

Obviously these plans are my plans going forward. If I do something with the church, I will be open to any idea collectively reached, as it will involve others.
This is why I posted in the first place. With networking, plans tend to refine and change.

Hope I clarified somethings for you.
If not and there are concerns and more questions, please fire away.

 

[Alejo]

Very good point. But since I have a decent income doing online work all I need really is a good internet connection. My thinking is soon enough in this world if you don’t create your own food your going to be in trouble.

Hi neema,

To add a few questions to what Oxajil was pointing out, and these are more practical. What is your budget? and I don't want you to disclose any sensitive financial information, but more to put the word budget into perspective.

If your budget is X, does that budget include labor? because if your current source of income is online work, you'd need to continue to work in order to continue to earn, which means you'd need to hire someone to do the work while you live elsewhere. So now your budget also has to include rental whilst the work is taking place. Or enough to keep you afloat while you perform the work yourself.

And depending on your budget, and the size of the land, how long could your plans take to execute?

I think the plan has potential, but I feel it's truly a large project that requires a lot of planning and division into smaller steps, if that makes sense.

 

[aragorn]

Sounds like you've made some important realizations, neema. I hope you can keep the momentum going, and continue with the sincere attitude you've shown in your post. In essence, keep doing what "it" doesn't want you to do.

However, regarding this:

Obviously I know what the FOTCM is doing and aiming for. Of course I would love to try and do something in coordination with the group here. Maybe the land can be donated to the church so another working group can be established or something?

I really don’t know.

Don't you think it's a bit premature, considering your recent 'fresh start' to already suggest something like this?

 

[whitecoast]

Hi Neema, it's good to hear from you, and to learn about the learning experiences you've had with yourself to get to know yourself more and what your vulnerabilities are.

So I am nervous about leaving it in the current financial system and want to take it out and invest it into hard assets, i.e. land.

My plan is to buy 50 acres of farmland in a mountainous area of the region of Mexico I am living in. I also want to buy it under a nonprofit LLC. I plan to invest in infrastructure and turn the land into an agroecology school for the area.

Land is probably one the best places you can put money these days. Acquiring rentals would seem to have much less upfront knowledge and networking required than constructing an agroecology school. Also less risk overall, at least in the current state of affairs, although we know that's not likely to last forever.

I think the plan has potential, but I feel it's truly a large project that requires a lot of planning and division into smaller steps, if that makes sense.

I agree. It would also require networking with people who have succesfuly established similar ventures, whether in Mexico or elsewhere to better understand the pitfalls. The Canadian experience I'm sure provided a lot of lessons, but hopefully this time around whatever lessons you need to learn to make this succesful will be achieved through networking with experts on such endeavors and reading. All far less painful and costly methods of learning!

One possibility would be to acquire land near a school that already teaches students such techniques, and offer the land as space for them to showcase the work of students in exchange for developing the land base there.

Don't you think it's a bit premature, considering your recent 'fresh start' to already suggest something like this?

It is kind of zero to a hundred in six seconds. Maybe a good second or third step (in addition to doing all the agroecology homework if it IS truly where your heart is calling you) would be to participate more in thread discussions, online meetup groups, and maybe even projects here? Since you've hinted at an interest in having much deeper involvement, why not let everyone get to know you a little better and vice versa?

 

[flashgordonv]

Again good point. I was too vague on the idea of the school.
I think a better way of putting it is, I want to build an agroecology farm as a sample for the area.
It will not be a school in a sense of students pay tuition and learn a particular curriculum. Or even have any class rooms. It’s the total concept that I will use to make all kinds of vegetables, fruits, and meat. It will be hard work but if done right there will be plenty of bounty. The school part will be a bonus if it happens as I am not relying on it for any particular purpose. It is pure altruism for anyone interested in duplication of the methods for themselves.

Hi Neema

It is always exciting to make plans like these. I'd really like to ask you two questions.
1. How old are you and
2. Do you have any experience in practical farming

I ask this for a couple of reasons. My wife and I bought 17 acres of land around 8 years ago. I had just retired from a lifetime in the IT industry. We were inspired to try to become self supporting from a food perspective. We planted crops, fruit trees, bought laying hens, grew 6 steers for sale and for meat, raised alpacas for fleece. And we did not come lose to becoming self sufficient.

I was 60 at the time and I want to suggest that you don't underestimate the amount of hard work that is involved in trying to do this sort of work. particularly if you have no experience in it. And it is also relentless. It never stops. You can't have a day off unless you can get somebody else to come in and look after the animals, move them to new paddocks, clean out the hen house and feed the hens, check the water troughs are OK etc etc etc. It really is hard work and it is quite draining. We lasted 5 years after which we moved back to a small rural town, although to be fair, the health of my wife's parents had some bearing on it as she had to regularly drive 5 hours to help nurse her sick step father.

 

[neema]

If your budget is X, does that budget include labor? because if your current source of income is online work, you'd need to continue to work in order to continue to earn, which means you'd need to hire someone to do the work while you live elsewhere. So now your budget also has to include rental whilst the work is taking place. Or enough to keep you afloat while you perform the work yourself.

Hello Alejo.

My budget for this project will include labor. So it roughly brakes down to 15% for land 30% for buildings, and 55% left for labor. I also have my rental covered for about 6months in a separate budget, so even if I hire people, I can be on site.

And depending on your budget, and the size of the land, how long could your plans take to execute?

Not sure what you mean? Are we talking about searching for the initial land? If so I have already scouted several possibilities.

I think the plan has potential, but I feel it's truly a large project that requires a lot of planning and division into smaller steps, if that makes sense.

That makes total sense.

Don't you think it's a bit premature, considering your recent 'fresh start' to already suggest something like this?

Hi Aragorn. Oh yes absolutely. That was the main question I had in my mind before I posted the original post.

It is kind of zero to a hundred in six seconds. Maybe a good second or third step (in addition to doing all the agroecology homework if it IS truly where your heart is calling you) would be to participate more in thread discussions, online meetup groups, and maybe even projects here? Since you've hinted at an interest in having much deeper involvement, why not let everyone get to know you a little better and vice versa?

Hi whitecoast. I really like these suggestions. I think with Aragorns point about being a bit premature and your good suggestions, my thinking is the best approach will be for me to start a post in the private section journaling my research, budget, challenges etc.
That way as I take it step by step, I can network about the details and get feedback. Meanwhile participate more per your suggestion. If you are thinking of a specific place on the forum to start with let me know.

 

[neema]

Hi Neema

It is always exciting to make plans like these. I'd really like to ask you two questions.
1. How old are you and
2. Do you have any experience in practical farming

I ask this for a couple of reasons. My wife and I bought 17 acres of land around 8 years ago. I had just retired from a lifetime in the IT industry. We were inspired to try to become self supporting from a food perspective. We planted crops, fruit trees, bought laying hens, grew 6 steers for sale and for meat, raised alpacas for fleece. And we did not come lose to becoming self sufficient.

I was 60 at the time and I want to suggest that you don't underestimate the amount of hard work that is involved in trying to do this sort of work. particularly if you have no experience in it. And it is also relentless. It never stops. You can't have a day off unless you can get somebody else to come in and look after the animals, move them to new paddocks, clean out the hen house and feed the hens, check the water troughs are OK etc etc etc. It really is hard work and it is quite draining. We lasted 5 years after which we moved back to a small rural town, although to be fair, the health of my wife's parents had some bearing on it as she had to regularly drive 5 hours to help nurse her sick step father.

Hi Flashgordonv,

Thanks for your kind concerns.

Definitely good points.
I am 43 right now. Ah... where did the time go?

I actually do have several years experience in greenhouse production. I have extensive experience in hydroponics, crop rotation, drip irrigation, and natural pest control.

To your point about it being hard work, oh believe me I know.

I remember the first time I was involved with a large field seeding job. It was very early in the morning. As I was working my section maybe an hour the sun started to rise. I looked down and my hands were dripping blood and my sweat was falling into the area about to be seeded. I was in my 20s so it was a new experience. It suddenly "dawned" on me , I was literally experiencing the famous blood and sweat moment. I looked up and the most picturesque sunrise you could imagine was happening. I was overwhelmed with this feeling of joy and satisfaction, I fell in love.

I only say that because to me gardening/farming is so satisfying it barely registers as work.

With that said though farming can be very labor intensive back braking work if not done efficiently. That's why I plane to utilize techniques such as square foot gardening, to increase efficiency.

Also labor here is ridiculously cheap and available and the people are incredibly hard working.

 

[Alejo]

Not sure what you mean? Are we talking about searching for the initial land? If so I have already scouted several possibilities.

I meant, from the land purchasing let's say... to the living situation being profitable enough, how long do you think it would take to complete? how long are you allowing, based on your budget, to be on "construction" mode so to speak.

 

[Aeneas]

My plan is to buy 50 acres of farmland in a mountainous area of the region of Mexico I am living in. I also want to buy it under a nonprofit LLC. I plan to invest in infrastructure and turn the land into an agroecology school for the area.

Hi Neema. I was wondering why you would want to start big, rather than small as hydroponics and green house farming does not take much space. One thing is to grow things, but you will also have to find outlets for your produce, whether it be a wholesaler or small shops. Experience with starting a business, having employees, sourcing places to buy things as well as to sell your things can be gained from starting small. If you started with just 1 acres and an employee or two and found it to work, then you can always organically upscale as you find the demand is there. It could even allow you to work perhaps part time so that you are not in financial stress about it.

There are always teething problems with starting any business and not being under financial stress during such times, will allow you to act more from a thinking mode rather than a stressed out emotional mode, which financial stress can induce. If a harvest goes down the drain because say the sprinkler system malfunctioned and the repair people couldn't urgently come in the middle of a heatwave, and wages have to be paid and the wholesaler fines you because of breach of delivery contract, then it can be good the first time to just have 1 acres of greenhouses and 1 employee rather than 50 acres of greenhouses and 50 employees.

My intent is not to destroy your dream, but just to ask some questions and perhaps to make you consider starting smaller and for the moment forget about infrastructure projects etc.

 

[Ant22]

There are always teething problems with starting any business and not being under financial stress during such times, will allow you to act more from a thinking mode rather than a stressed out emotional mode, which financial stress can induce. If a harvest goes down the drain because say the sprinkler system malfunctioned and the repair people couldn't urgently come in the middle of a heatwave, and wages have to be paid and the wholesaler fines you because of breach of delivery contract, then it can be good the first time to just have 1 acres of greenhouses and 1 employee rather than 50 acres of greenhouses and 50 employees.

I think Aeneas made a few valid points there. There's a saying in business that you should start small and scale fast, and I think this is a safer approach than starting big with something you have never done before. If you have financial resources, starting small would enable you to test the market, see what generates the best return on investment and scale that. If you start big and invest in something that won't be profitable in the "brave new world" we are living in the money you invested may go to waste. The trick is to make your money become an investment that generates further income, not just pays for things.

Note that we are living in unprecedented times and it's hard to make predictions about the future so I'd say testing the waters with a smaller scale investment and then adjusting the sails based on the financial feedback you're receiving would be safer.

Mexico is one of the only countries that you can still come too without a covid test or needing to quarantine. I have established connections with people here in Mexico that can help anyone with a path to residency. (I have helped several people now) And I just happen to come into some money recently.

If Mexico's current accessibility is something you want to build your business (or a part of it) around, then note that the borders may close anytime really. Rules change every 5 minutes and just like any other country Mexico too is subjected to external control. What if the controllers force Mexico to close its borders? If the choice is to close down or lose your position I can't think of many leaders who would choose the latter.

Like Aeneas, I don't mean to clip your wings and tell you that you won't make it. Please take it more as being the devil's advocate. If you prepare for negative eventualities, or at least assess them when planning your investment, then it's more likely you'll succeed me thinks

 

[neema]

I meant, from the land purchasing let's say... to the living situation being profitable enough, how long do you think it would take to complete? how long are you allowing, based on your budget, to be on "construction" mode so to speak.

Ahh… ok thanks for the clarification. Well that would depend on many things and your definitions. If we limit the idea that profit means say; fiat money in the current financial system, I can give you some actual numbers based on my experiences of running a greenhouse in Canada. But If we are talking about self-sufficiency then that is more unpredictable and complex. Or so I think.

 

[neema]

Hi Neema. I was wondering why you would want to start big...

...My intent is not to destroy your dream, but just to ask some questions and perhaps to make you consider starting smaller and for the moment forget about infrastructure projects etc.

...
Like Aeneas, I don't mean to clip your wings and tell you that you won't make it. Please take it more as being the devil's advocate. If you prepare for negative eventualities, or at least assess them when planning your investment, then it's more likely you'll succeed me thinks

Hi guys. Thank you for your inputs. I can feel the love through your posts.

And don’t worry about “clipping my wings”.

As some of the older guys know me well enough to know that I may need a nice cold splash of water in the face once in a while.
My head is waaay into the clouds sometimes.

Not that I’m saying you two are doing that now as your comments are very milk toast by my current standards.

Ok some more clarifications. This is good, this is networking!

To answer your question Aeneas, of why I want to start big, well I actually don’t. And in general I agree with both of your opinions.

I never wanted to imply I will be developing the whole 50 acres in one fell swoop. That would be crazy even for me.
Because of my background in business planning I always think in 1 year, 3-years, 5-years, 10-years planning. Just because you buy 50 acres it doesn’t mean you have to develop 50 acres. No, its kind of future-proofing it. I know I know, we can’t predict the future, but in business we try and create estimates.

Now let me share with you all a story about the time I first started in the greenhouse business, oh 15 years ago now. This was my first time in the greenhouse business and it took about 6 months to setup a 3000sqf greenhouse. I took another 4 months to equip it seed it and generally set it up. It was very satisfying after it finally finished with all the hard work and research

I remember the first weekend of operation I told my employees of the time to take the weekend off. I was planning to do some of the grunt work myself and give the guys a couple days off.

Now if you have ever setup a commercial green house from scratch you will know how much raw labor goes into it.

So my luck this particular Friday also happened to be December 15, 2006. If you live in Vancouver, you may remember it as the Stanley Park windstorm. But it wasn’t just at the Park.

That afternoon I witnessed the pure power of nature. How in one moment it destroyed 1 year of hard work. The greenhouse was literally shredded to pieces right in front of my eyes. I was helpless to do anything. In my stupidity I actually went outside and was watching it happen in an open field, not realizing how dangerous it was as there were debris flying everywhere.
Insanely I was not hit with a single piece of debris in the time I was outside. In fact, after the storm tore apart the greenhouse, as suddenly as it started, the storm just as suddenly dissipated.

Ok what is my point. One thing is that life is very unpredictable in general. What is the saying “Man Plans, and God Laughs.”

This is in line with what you said Ant22: “we are living in unprecedented times”. So ya, I fully understand what you mean.

Also at that time, I was not aware of my machine very well and I was suffering from a bad ulcer. The doctor had told me that if I don’t stop stressing, that I would have a heart attack at 28. Obviously I was not listening and needed some external motivation to pay attention.

The destruction of the greenhouse came to represent my anger for me. In the moment of the storm I was resonating with the idea that my personal anger is like a storm. In one moment of untamed energy I can destroy years of meticulously built relations.

So, second thing is that the journey is as much important as is the goal. As we have all come to know that life is not so much about failures and successes, as it is about the lessons. With that said it also doesn’t mean you can’t learn from other people’s lessons without needing to experience it yourself. So it’s a balance.

neema said:
Mexico is one of the only countries that you can still come too without a covid test or needing to quarantine. I have established connections with people here in Mexico that can help anyone with a path to residency. (I have helped several people now) And I just happen to come into some money recently.

I like to comment on this quote of mine.
Now that I have had a couple of days to analyze myself I think I have a good idea where it came from. As part of me has been aware from the beginning.

I believe this is a form of a white knight syndrome. I also suffer from that program. It arose from “guilt” I was feeling because my life is so “comfortable” right now. I just wanted to help bring that comfort to everyone else. Now that I had a chance to see the private FOTCM and can see the tremendous amount of growth and activity I see my program better.

But that’s ok, though it took a negative program to make me post, you guys are not neophytes. If I’m acting like an idiot I know I will be told, hey you are acting like an idiot.

I think I have some potential here but have to network more details and put myself in a position to be truly helpful. I don't think I'm quite there yet.

Also in general there could be ways of producing income that are not so clear right now. One example being through Google AdSense. How? Well the journey of just finding land will be interesting. I know at some point I have to drive to several locations to see potential sites. If done right, it can be both entertaining and informative set of videos that can produce income irrelevant of the actual farm idea.

Don’t know if I’m making sense?

Either way I will take some time and properly organize some of my ideas and present several different proposals to be fleshed out in the private section.

Sorry for the long rant, and thank you everyone for your input.

 

[rrraven]

@neema , have you looked into permaculture ?
when you say farm land , is it being farmed at the moment ? or is it virgin land
what do the neighbors farm in that region ?
does it have a reliable permanent water source? there is an iceage coming , you know , which is like permanent la nina for mexico
there is a couple interesting guys on youtube that have gone towards self sufficiency like https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC9IoNzDZIGhFZ2VGFoWjP-w John Suscovich
or https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCOSGEokQQcdAVFuL_Aq8dlg Justin Rhodes