Real Direct 4D STO Contact?

WIN 52

The Living Force
In general, it seems almost impossible for this to be just a hoax done by people. For one, the spiritual-type information seems to be of high quality and goes deeper in some respects than others sources of information, eg. "you don't have to reincarnate to pay off karma, it is a choice" (Link).
Where might that choice leave a soul?

As always the choice is ever present. The results of this choice are what must be taken into consideration. There have been many wrong choices throughout my life. The big one was choosing to never do that again. Lessons, not condemnation.
 

christx11

Jedi Master
I do not see the connection between "disagreeing with the Federation" and "serving themselves". According to them, all of the Pleiadeans agree and would like to help humanity more. If some of them respond to calls for help from humanity, is it not STO just because other Federation races decided that it is best not to respond for now?

The disagreement is supposedly with Federation races that are less emotional than humans, Pleiadeans and others.



Thank you for looking up those sessions. It seems that what the C's were talking about is similar to the concept of the "star seeds" or higher density STO people incarnating on Earth - and that this is supposedly the help for humanity that the Federation has allowed.



My question was about this supposed starship crew, whether they are actually 4D STO.



They are fighting the "regressives" or STS forces. Here is a quote from the C's (July 30, 1994):



It both confirms that there will be no nuclear war under any circumstances and that there is fighting and wars between 4D STO and STS.
I guess we are just on entirely different wavelengths. The information I was trying to get across was that the C's sessions seem to indicate that this help would come from a real live human being walking the earth during this period we are in and that the individual has a 4th density STO soul. This entirely contradicts other realm extraterrestrials orbiting the earth. Since 3rd density human beings walking this earth are not other realm extraterrestrials orbiting the earth. And 4th density is off the hook means the only way to communicate with one is if a 4th density STO soul is a walk-in or reincarnates into 3rd density earth and is a real live person you or I could actually speak to.

Then again that is my understanding of things only and a lot of things are possible.

My question to you would be why do you think this question of yours is appropriate if it would undoubtedly have the possibility of endangering lives?
 

WIN 52

The Living Force
here's a contradiction, they have disagreements over how to best respect the free will of humanity, but only if the free will of humanity is not to have nuclear war, because if humanity freely decides to have a nuclear war, then no free will may be respected.
It would seem dumb for people to wish annihilation on themselves. It would more likely be at the hands of a small group making that choice for the whole. Thus intervention is not interfering with the wishes of all, only a selfish few.

Look at the COVID issue. What the majority of people are willing to do in order to avoid death. People in general are afraid to die.
 
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axj

The Living Force
The information I was trying to get across was that the C's sessions seem to indicate that this help would come from a real live human being walking the earth during this period we are in and that the individual has a 4th density STO soul. This entirely contradicts other realm extraterrestrials orbiting the earth.

From what I understand, the C's were talking about 4D STO help for this group in particular. Which does not mean that other people or groups cannot have other types of 4D STO contacts.

My question to you would be why do you think this question of yours is appropriate if it would undoubtedly have the possibility of endangering lives?

How is the confirmation whether this is a 4D STO starship crew or not endangering lives?
 

Adobe

Jedi Master
FOTCM Member
According to my understanding, we are STS, and the whole earth is a STS realm. Us, all humans, all the way to psychopaths are STS. So, if someone from 4D, says to the other 4D being who are you communicating with? And the answer was: this group on the planet earth (us), Then asked: are they STS or STO? Oh’ they are STS. The rebuttal: oh they are bad then, because all STS are bad. I believe the C’s also have spoken about STS and STO working together at higher densities. So, my point is, this STS=bad is a slippery slope, especially when discussing higher densities. Maybe it's a good "rule of thumb", but nuances are needed, when digging further.

I have never understood the “nuclear war will never be allowed!” statements which seem to be ubiquitous in these space brothers’ circles. We have already had nuclear war, Japan. And the nuclear tests on the Bikini Islands (long term torturous deaths for multiple generations, devastation to ocean and air. Other nuclear test “bombs” that are still in the atmosphere today and probably affecting us and the planet negatively. So, I don’t get it. What is this…”no nuclear bombs allowed” about. It seems, that ship has already left the harbor.
 

axj

The Living Force
I have never understood the “nuclear war will never be allowed!” statements which seem to be ubiquitous in these space brothers’ circles.

The C's have also said that there will be no nuclear war (July 30, 1994):

Q: (L) Will there be atomic war?
A: No.

Notice that the answer is not "the future is open" or even "that is unlikely", but "No, no nuclear war." This can only mean that nuclear war will not be allowed.
 

christx11

Jedi Master
From what I understand, the C's were talking about 4D STO help for this group in particular. Which does not mean that other people or groups cannot have other types of 4D STO contacts.
That is a possibility I guess, but not from the C's information if they have indicated 4D STO can not communicate with 3D humans except by natural incarnation or walk in to 3D as 3D beings that honors free will. I did not take that as just this group.

You could try to ask the Cosmic Agency to ask the Galactic Federation if they are 4th Density STO or not. If other groups can have other types of 4D STO contact then I think these other groups should be responsible and able to determine that and whether it is valid or legitimate.

How is the confirmation whether this is a 4D STO starship crew or not endangering lives?
Can you not imagine what a yes confirmation could lead to? Millions of new age folk flocking to the human contacts, the attention they could receive and the wackadoodles? I don't think it is a stretch of the intellect to foresee the turmoil that could cause including violence upon many from the wackabots.

Maybe the 4th density STO do not want to be identified. It's kind of hard to ask them if we would be violating their free will by identifying them.
 

christx11

Jedi Master
The C's have also said that there will be no nuclear war (July 30, 1994):



Notice that the answer is not "the future is open" or even "that is unlikely", but "No, no nuclear war." This can only mean that nuclear war will not be allowed.
Session 3 September 2008

Q: (L) Okay. Why do you introduce tonight's adventures with "US is headed for destruction"?

A: Passed the point when anything could possibly be done to change the outcome.

Q: (L) What is this outcome?

A: Increasing inner turmoil. Review what happened in Germany.

Q: (L) Well, what happened in Germany in what period?

A: Towards the end of the war. Hitler's madness and the hatred of the world towards Germany.

Q: (L) Wasn't a pretty picture, was it? (J) In Germany, the rest of the world bombed Germany...

A: Yes. Expect it in the USA ultimately.

Q: (J) Would that be nuclear bombs?

A: And more.
 

axj

The Living Force
That is a possibility I guess, but not from the C's information if they have indicated 4D STO can not communicate with 3D humans except by natural incarnation or walk in to 3D as 3D beings that honors free will.

I don't think the C's said that - this is just your interpretation of what was said. And considering that 6D beings directly communicate with those who ask, why should it be any different with 4D STO?

Can you not imagine what a yes confirmation could lead to? Millions of new age folk flocking to the human contacts, the attention they could receive and the wackadoodles? I don't think it is a stretch of the intellect to foresee the turmoil that could cause including violence upon many from the wackabots.

Do you seriously think that the C's confirmation of a 4D STO contact would send "millions" of people to that group? And even if it did, why would that be a negative if more people get 4D STO information?

Q: (L) Wasn't a pretty picture, was it? (J) In Germany, the rest of the world bombed Germany...

A: Yes. Expect it in the USA ultimately.

Q: (J) Would that be nuclear bombs?

A: And more.

Yes, and the question is how to reconcile these two seemingly contradicting statements from the C's regarding nuclear war. Maybe there won't be an all-out nuclear war, but a "limited" use of nuclear weapons is possible in a few places.
 

MJF

Jedi Council Member
I don't think the C's said that - this is just your interpretation of what was said. And considering that 6D beings directly communicate with those who ask, why should it be any different with 4D STO?



Do you seriously think that the C's confirmation of a 4D STO contact would send "millions" of people to that group? And even if it did, why would that be a negative if more people get 4D STO information?



Yes, and the question is how to reconcile these two seemingly contradicting statements from the C's regarding nuclear war. Maybe there won't be an all-out nuclear war, but a "limited" use of nuclear weapons is possible in a few places.
It would have to be a very limited nuclear war since if all the major nuclear powers fired their nuclear weapons at each other, the world would not survive. My father worked at the Atomic Weapons Research Establishment at Aldermaston in England and told me once that if the Soviets dropped a major hydrogen bomb (10 megatons or more) on London, it would take out London and the whole of south-east England killing upwards of 10 million people. FYI Russia possesses in its current nuclear arsenal a 50 megaton bomb that could wipe out the state of Texas on its own. The trouble is that once one side starts using these weapons, the other will feel forced to retaliate in kind. Hence, the doctrine of mutually assured destruction ('MAD') that relies on the fear of mutual annihilation from stopping this scenario from happening. That being said, all it would take is for one side to call the other's bluff in the ultimate high stakes game of poker! Worryingly on this score, my American brother in law, who has worked alongside retired senior US generals and admirals, has told me that there are still senior US general staff members who think you can actually win a nuclear war. How crazy is that!

On a more cheerful note, I have followed UFO related topics for many years now and one thing that stands out is that ET's have shown a great deal of interest over the years in nuclear installations including missile silos and weapons facilities. There are well documented cases where ET's have actually shut nuclear missiles down. Malmstrom Air Force Base in Montana is one famous example where UFOs were seen flying over the air base, which controlled a number of ICBM missile silos in the local area, and all the missiles were suddenly turned off or deactivated. Similarly, at one of the USSR's key missile launching bases in the 1970's, the staff to their horror one day found their nuclear missiles were suddenly activated and primed to fire. They desperately tried to shut the missiles down before they launched but to no effect. It was only at the last minute that the missiles suddenly and without any intervening action on the part of military staff shut themselves down. Evidently the ET's were sending the soviets a very powerful message that must have had a profound effect. Let's not also forget that Roswell Army Air Force Base was the only nuclear bomber base in the world in July 1947. Was it just a coincidence therefore that a flying saucer crashed in the vicinity.

Whether the ET's responsible for these incidents were STS or STO is not known. However, assuming for a moment that it was STS aliens, if they have designs on taking over this planet, as the C's and others have suggested, then they sure as hell don't want to inherit a pile of nuclear cinders.
 

MJF

Jedi Council Member
That is a possibility I guess, but not from the C's information if they have indicated 4D STO can not communicate with 3D humans except by natural incarnation or walk in to 3D as 3D beings that honors free will. I did not take that as just this group.

You could try to ask the Cosmic Agency to ask the Galactic Federation if they are 4th Density STO or not. If other groups can have other types of 4D STO contact then I think these other groups should be responsible and able to determine that and whether it is valid or legitimate.


Can you not imagine what a yes confirmation could lead to? Millions of new age folk flocking to the human contacts, the attention they could receive and the wackadoodles? I don't think it is a stretch of the intellect to foresee the turmoil that could cause including violence upon many from the wackabots.

Maybe the 4th density STO do not want to be identified. It's kind of hard to ask them if we would be violating their free will by identifying them.
Perhaps the Galactic Federation have tried in the past but mankind was not prepared to listen. I am attaching a link to a short film on the mysterious Valiant Thor who claimed to be an ET emissary and, strange as it may seem, actually lived at the Pentagon with VIP status from 1957 for 3 years under the Eisenhower Administration.
Stranger at the Pentagon - Short Film and

Apparently, he abandoned his mission after the US governement made it clear that they were not prepared to give up their nuclear weapons.
 

Kay Kim

The Living Force
FOTCM Member
Apparently, he abandoned his mission after the US governement made it clear that they were not prepared to give up their nuclear weapons.

But information from the transcript, the nuclear missile sites are disabled by the 4th density STS.

October 10th 2015

(Perceval) There's something I've been saying to various people, and I'm wondering if it's true or not. The stories in Richard Dolan's books about US nuclear missile sites being disabled by UFOs at various places so that they couldn't fire anything way back in the 60's at the height of the Cold War. Was that a message to the Powers that Be that no nuclear war would ever be allowed? Did 4D STS send a message in that way that nobody would be allowed to push the button because you'd kill everybody. Since this world is like a farm, their cattle would all be killed. Is that anywhere close to the truth?

A: Close.
 

axj

The Living Force
It may be the case that neither 4D STO nor 4D STS want an all-out nuclear war on Earth. Maybe that is why the C's said with certainty that there won't be one.
 

Alejo

Ambassador
Ambassador
FOTCM Member
I do not see the connection between "disagreeing with the Federation" and "serving themselves". According to them, all of the Pleiadeans agree and would like to help humanity more. If some of them respond to calls for help from humanity, is it not STO just because other Federation races decided that it is best not to respond for now?
Well, If I disagree with the way you are handling something and decide to do anything about it, I am doing it so that things may go my way... to serve myself and my vision of how I want things to go. The narrative presented is: The earth is being kept in check by a federation, and this group disagrees with them, like activist they will go and try to do something about it. So that things may go their way, to serve themselves. In that sense, I could not define them strictly as STO.

No consideration for the fact that perhaps, it is part of the lesson chosen by humanity to inhabit this 3D earth in these exact conditions, getting us out of here would work against our choices. Does that make sense?

It would seem dumb for people to wish annihilation on themselves. It would more likely be at the hands of a small group making that choice for the whole. Thus intervention is not interfering with the wishes of all, only a selfish few.

Look at the COVID issue. What the majority of people are willing to do in order to avoid death. People in general are afraid to die.
I think there's a difference between someone consciously wishing annihilation, and choosing to go through the lessons that it implies to live in a reality where such thing is a possibility.

And touché, look at the COVID issue, people are ready to kill one another if the right narrative is installed in them. Sacrifice their lives and freedom of choice if they're told that it's for their own good, survival and comfort. And yet, it was our choice to be here and experience such a reality. I'd bet that if people were allowed to vote on whether to nuke a country if it meant the end of this thing they've been scaring them for a whole year, a lot would vote yes.
 

christx11

Jedi Master
christx11 said:
That is a possibility I guess, but not from the C's information if they have indicated 4D STO can not communicate with 3D humans except by natural incarnation or walk in to 3D as 3D beings that honors free will.

I don't think the C's said that - this is just your interpretation of what was said. And considering that 6D beings directly communicate with those who ask, why should it be any different with 4D STO?

The difference between 6D STO and 4D STO is probably quadrillions of times more advanced. 4D is still physical. If it is so easy for 4D STO why don't they just start communicating with this group? Did it take the special secret technology of Gosia and the Cosmic Agency to crack the code to 4D STO?

christx11 said:
Can you not imagine what a yes confirmation could lead to? Millions of new age folk flocking to the human contacts, the attention they could receive and the wackadoodles? I don't think it is a stretch of the intellect to foresee the turmoil that could cause including violence upon many from the wackabots.

Do you seriously think that the C's confirmation of a 4D STO contact would send "millions" of people to that group? And even if it did, why would that be a negative if more people get 4D STO information?

I think I provided that answer already in the actual reply you yourself are responding to, but you must have not read that part. Wackadoodles, agents and more. We have had many here on this forum and it is a pain in the rear and has endangered people.

christx11 said:
Q: (L) Wasn't a pretty picture, was it? (J) In Germany, the rest of the world bombed Germany...

A: Yes. Expect it in the USA ultimately.

Q: (J) Would that be nuclear bombs?

A: And more.

Yes, and the question is how to reconcile these two seemingly contradicting statements from the C's regarding nuclear war. Maybe there won't be an all-out nuclear war, but a "limited" use of nuclear weapons is possible in a few places.

Here's another scenario I think you have not considered. If the question was asked and the answer was NO, it is a hoax source. Then what? Why take the chance of getting the site owners and forum followers of that group pissed off at us? This forum has been through that before and having another site upset at us or their followers coming here pissed and causing problems and disruptions and unstable persons from here going to their forum and retaliating and ... This group has also been through that scenario before and it is horrible. Why get this group into such a possible mess. The forum, the Fellowship, do not need to deal with that kind of mess at this point in time. Strategic enclosure and consideration for others makes that possible outcome a completely selfish act knowing it could cause such problems for others - not only here, but also the other site and its followers.
 
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