Putin Recognizes Donbass Republics, Sends Russian Military to 'Denazify' Ukraine
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I found this post on the Stalker Zone by Sergey Bogatyrev which makes sense about what is happening at the moment in Ukraine with Russia seemingly losing. He mentions the ultimate aim of the war, which is not defeat of Ukraine or getting a bit of territory more or less. He mentions stress tests, the new for a generational change in the army and more. I will post it in full.
NEW – October 3, 2022
Evening, night and morning, which is more complicated, I was silent, thinking…
My head was full of questions, theories, answers and advice. But most importantly, I couldn’t understand why it [the disagreement within the corridors of power in Russia with the way the Ministry of Defence is handling the military operation in Ukraine – SZ] went public?
I do not believe that Kadyrov and Prigozhin do not have a channel to communicate with Putin past Gerasimov. I do not believe that Putin does not have “his own people” in the Ministry of Defense who do not create a double- or triple- channel for informing about what is happening. Yes, a banal analysis of open sources makes it clear that not everything is glamorous in our “Emerald City” of khaki…
That is, it is nonsense that “public appeals” to the people are an attempt to break through the information blockade around the President. Then what is the goal? The goal is obvious – to prepare public opinion for certain upcoming events. 3 versions come to mind…..
Version 1:
A “purely military plan” – the essence of which is simple, to pull the UAF into an attack on “its territory”, home, where, as they say, the walls help. And strike, strike and strike. Yes, this process must be constantly fuelled – so that the enemy goes forward on the rake regardless of losses, they need to be given a “victory”.
Kiev loves selfies at the expense of bloodshed, so let them do it! Napoleon was even given Moscow for the same reasons. But his army was taken away. Inflating the “betrayal” concerning the Ministry of Defence may also be part of this trap. I cannot assure you that this is exactly the case. I have no understanding of the losses of the parties, if I am right, then the UAF should have a multiple more.
If this version is correct, then a big counterattack using what remains of the army of the enemy is a matter of time. In favour of this version:
There are morons in the General Staff, the fate of the weak-minded. Even a moron understands that the bigger the hammer, the harder it hits.
Version 1.1 (supplement):
Yes, we have lost Izyum, Liman, etc. So? Did Ukraine win? No. Have we lost the war? No. And if we had captured Kharkov, Kiev, Lvov and Odessa, would we have won? Also no. The Anglo-Saxons would not have gone anywhere. They would simply have thrown the Poles and Balts under our feet, then Germans, French and Spaniards. It would be their version of “Version 1”, only the stakes are higher. Not Balakleya, but Kharkov, not Izyum, but Kiev. Not Liman, but Lvov. Not Lisichansk, but Warsaw.
It’s possible to play this game together. Yankees and Brits can do it too. They have the experience of the two World Wars. They will not blink an eye so that Europe and Russia kill each other, and they would come and finish off the “winner”. Nothing new, and if so, then the current war is not about the seizure and retention of territories.
“Smelchak” With a Bouquet of “Tulpan” Destroys the Defence of the Ukrainian Armed Forces
Therefore, absolutely to hell with whatever flag is over Liman, this or that city at a moment in time! It only matters “how many lives and equipment this flag cost” for the parties. Whoever lost the most lost, even if they raised their flag… in the next village.
Version 2 – “The Great Resource War”:
So, we have decided that it is not the territories in pure square hectares and individual settlements that are the value of this war. And we should defeat not Ukraine and Kiev, but Brussels and Washington. But if so, the military way along the “highway” Krasny Liman – Izyum – Kiev – Brussels – London – Washington. If this is primarily nonsense, then how are we going to WIN? And we are going to win, without any doubt.
And not against the UAF and Ukraine, but against all of NATO and the EU with the United States. How can this be done? Obviously, there is only one way. Through the collapse of the Western economy! There is no other way!
The enemy has to spend their resources a lot more than we do! They should run out of them sooner! Resources in a broad sense: gas, oil, weapons, people, etc. The French “Caesar” or German “Gepard” that are destroyed by Donbass are not only an irretrievably lost military unit of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, but millions of kilowatts of energy that were required for its production. And which not just the UAF lost, but directly France, Germany or the Czech Republic.
An attempt to create a new piece of equipment in conditions of energy shortage and at new energy prices is for NATO countries is like having sex with a rattlesnake, and in a passive role too.
Yes, the process is not fast – it will take time, but it’s strategically correct. We have no other method than to reach directly for the throat of the enemy, through Ukraine, except through energy. Therefore, it is necessary to look at the same Liman not through hectares of territory, but through burned kilowatts.
I am more than sure that the UAF during the offensive, under the artillery and aviation of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, crowded at Liman, really suffered losses many times more than Russia’. Translate them into kilowatts, translate these kilowatts into EU prices, and ask yourself the question:
“The UAF and NATO definitely ‘won’ near Krasny Liman?”
Personally, I’m not at all sure…
In such a war, territories are also evaluated in terms of resource and energy potential. Yes, it’s cynical, but that’s why Crimea, Kherson, Zaparozhye, Donbass are already in Russia – these are resource-profitable regions. Izyum, Liman, etc. were exchanged for the lives of Ukrainians and NATO kilowatts.
Interior Ministry: In Russia There Are About 2.5 Million Citizens of Ukraine
And I don’t need snot in the comments below this text about poor, peaceful people who were abandoned and betrayed by the “bad” Armed Forces of the Russian Federation. I have already learned this tactic of Ukrainian governmental psyops. War is cynical sh*t, not a macrame circle. But this is a barrel of honey, a fly in the ointment will be next…
Version 3 – “Socio-structural”:
I.e. the deliberate creation of “uncomfortable living conditions” for individuals or entire social groups that will force them to leave Russian society, or Russian state structures and social institutions. There is absolutely no doubt that this is an important factor for the full development of the country. This approach is more effective and widespread than the use of personalised enforcement tools.
Indeed, we need to defeat not Ukraine, and not even the EU, along with the USA. Victory over them will come by itself, if we do the main thing, we will be able to understand ourselves! Find weak and rotten links, defective areas. Replace them, fix them, throw them away.
There is neither good nor evil in this. No need to heap burning coals of shame on one’s head or trumpet hymns of praise, to go to extremes.
It just needs to be done to make the SYSTEM work! The most successful business structures periodically conduct stress tests on a variety of topics. You will be surprised, but almost always errors, mistakes and screw-ups pop up. Sometimes they are significant, sometimes not. Sometimes the person responsible for this flies out of the company like a cork from a bottle of champagne. Sometimes, they get a slap on the head, sometimes a bonus.
The “Special Military Operation” is also a stress test! Only on the scale of the largest state in the world by area. Held FOR THE FIRST TIME in 80 years! Do you think we should be able to do everything smoothly? No – that would be fantasy. Just counting on it is stupid. But it is also a crime to keep silent or stuff such a thing under the carpet, because the value of a stress test is precisely in identifying and correcting errors, anyone who prevents this is a criminal!
Strategically, the “cunning plan” to cleanse society works quite well:
8 months is a more than sufficient period of time to look at the “combat path” of each official, officer and general and analyse it personally for professional suitability.
And I don’t need to hear phrases like “And before this it was impossible?”
I have been engaged in personnel security for 12 years and I can state with full responsibility: “Only practical activity shows the real level of training!” No tests, service checks, exercises give a complete picture. Fools disguise themselves very well. Yes, unfortunately we have already learned that…
Borisov – crappily organised the state defence order and went for a hard downgrade. The former deputy in the rear of the Ministry of Defence Bulgakov turned out to be weak and incompetent. Similar things will continue to happen.
Moreover, objectively, the Ministry of Defence needs a “generational change”, one can appreciate the experience of generals aged 60+, but most of them stupidly do not know how to work with a computer or any modern gadgets. And do you expect them to digitalise the battlefield and network-centric warfare? They should have crayons, pencils and paper maps – here is the thing! That’s just not how wars are fought anymore.
And it’s time for a very significant layer of the Russian military leadership to retire. If you think that you are able to be useful – then have the position of “adviser”. And this is not a stone in the garden of the Ministry of Defence – it’s just that now it’s in focus. This applies to all departments of Russia, where people aged 60+ rule.
Kadyrov, Prigozhin, many senior officers and young generals understand this, but they can’t do anything. Any law enforcement agency is a “fighting brotherhood of elders” who hold onto a chair for a banal reason. They don’t know how to do anything, and nobody needs them in civilian life!
If to not take “resonant cases”, when the “best” arrive in their position not though hard work, then ALL LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES work at a speed for which in a normal business structure you would be thrown out of the window in a week at most. The level of flexibility is close to zero!
Unless a person has experience in business, and Kadyrov, Prigozhin do. I am not at all surprised that such people are missing from the “decision-making system” in the Ministry of Defence and in other structures.
Therefore YES! I definitely agree that:
a) a radical rejuvenation of the command staff of law enforcement agencies is necessary;
b) the dilution of this “closed club of pensioners” with fresh blood from other departments.
We need real social elevators within the military system. In the civil sphere, this is somehow happening: the School of Governors, Leaders of Russia, etc., etc. There is no such thing in any siloviki department.
As a result, there is everywhere the height of old age, which is simply behind the times, but does not want to humble itself and admit it. The “Special Military Operation” showed that they simply cannot keep pace and have time to adapt to a rapidly changing environment.
And it’s not about Lapin, Kadyrov or Prigozhin. Everything is much more complicated. And yes, these stables need to be raked.
Can we win without it? Probably yes! And the fact that these questions began to be raised is correct.
THIS is much more important than the victory over Ukraine. We will solve problems and we will win everywhere! We will defeat anyone!
Sergey Bogatyrev
The True Purpose…
37 mins agoNEW – October 3, 2022
Evening, night and morning, which is more complicated, I was silent, thinking…
My head was full of questions, theories, answers and advice. But most importantly, I couldn’t understand why it [the disagreement within the corridors of power in Russia with the way the Ministry of Defence is handling the military operation in Ukraine – SZ] went public?
I do not believe that Kadyrov and Prigozhin do not have a channel to communicate with Putin past Gerasimov. I do not believe that Putin does not have “his own people” in the Ministry of Defense who do not create a double- or triple- channel for informing about what is happening. Yes, a banal analysis of open sources makes it clear that not everything is glamorous in our “Emerald City” of khaki…
That is, it is nonsense that “public appeals” to the people are an attempt to break through the information blockade around the President. Then what is the goal? The goal is obvious – to prepare public opinion for certain upcoming events. 3 versions come to mind…..
Version 1:
A “purely military plan” – the essence of which is simple, to pull the UAF into an attack on “its territory”, home, where, as they say, the walls help. And strike, strike and strike. Yes, this process must be constantly fuelled – so that the enemy goes forward on the rake regardless of losses, they need to be given a “victory”.
Kiev loves selfies at the expense of bloodshed, so let them do it! Napoleon was even given Moscow for the same reasons. But his army was taken away. Inflating the “betrayal” concerning the Ministry of Defence may also be part of this trap. I cannot assure you that this is exactly the case. I have no understanding of the losses of the parties, if I am right, then the UAF should have a multiple more.
If this version is correct, then a big counterattack using what remains of the army of the enemy is a matter of time. In favour of this version:
- Liman, and before that, Izyum and Balakleya did not receive significant reinforcements, although there were reserves, decent ones at that. They are still there.
- A whole layer of weapons is not used, although they are there and even moved closer.
- The Ukrainian infrastructure is not being destroyed, it’s as if we deliberately let the UAF “advance”.
There are morons in the General Staff, the fate of the weak-minded. Even a moron understands that the bigger the hammer, the harder it hits.
Version 1.1 (supplement):
Yes, we have lost Izyum, Liman, etc. So? Did Ukraine win? No. Have we lost the war? No. And if we had captured Kharkov, Kiev, Lvov and Odessa, would we have won? Also no. The Anglo-Saxons would not have gone anywhere. They would simply have thrown the Poles and Balts under our feet, then Germans, French and Spaniards. It would be their version of “Version 1”, only the stakes are higher. Not Balakleya, but Kharkov, not Izyum, but Kiev. Not Liman, but Lvov. Not Lisichansk, but Warsaw.
It’s possible to play this game together. Yankees and Brits can do it too. They have the experience of the two World Wars. They will not blink an eye so that Europe and Russia kill each other, and they would come and finish off the “winner”. Nothing new, and if so, then the current war is not about the seizure and retention of territories.
“Smelchak” With a Bouquet of “Tulpan” Destroys the Defence of the Ukrainian Armed Forces
Therefore, absolutely to hell with whatever flag is over Liman, this or that city at a moment in time! It only matters “how many lives and equipment this flag cost” for the parties. Whoever lost the most lost, even if they raised their flag… in the next village.
Version 2 – “The Great Resource War”:
So, we have decided that it is not the territories in pure square hectares and individual settlements that are the value of this war. And we should defeat not Ukraine and Kiev, but Brussels and Washington. But if so, the military way along the “highway” Krasny Liman – Izyum – Kiev – Brussels – London – Washington. If this is primarily nonsense, then how are we going to WIN? And we are going to win, without any doubt.
And not against the UAF and Ukraine, but against all of NATO and the EU with the United States. How can this be done? Obviously, there is only one way. Through the collapse of the Western economy! There is no other way!
The enemy has to spend their resources a lot more than we do! They should run out of them sooner! Resources in a broad sense: gas, oil, weapons, people, etc. The French “Caesar” or German “Gepard” that are destroyed by Donbass are not only an irretrievably lost military unit of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, but millions of kilowatts of energy that were required for its production. And which not just the UAF lost, but directly France, Germany or the Czech Republic.
An attempt to create a new piece of equipment in conditions of energy shortage and at new energy prices is for NATO countries is like having sex with a rattlesnake, and in a passive role too.
Yes, the process is not fast – it will take time, but it’s strategically correct. We have no other method than to reach directly for the throat of the enemy, through Ukraine, except through energy. Therefore, it is necessary to look at the same Liman not through hectares of territory, but through burned kilowatts.
I am more than sure that the UAF during the offensive, under the artillery and aviation of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, crowded at Liman, really suffered losses many times more than Russia’. Translate them into kilowatts, translate these kilowatts into EU prices, and ask yourself the question:
“The UAF and NATO definitely ‘won’ near Krasny Liman?”
Personally, I’m not at all sure…
In such a war, territories are also evaluated in terms of resource and energy potential. Yes, it’s cynical, but that’s why Crimea, Kherson, Zaparozhye, Donbass are already in Russia – these are resource-profitable regions. Izyum, Liman, etc. were exchanged for the lives of Ukrainians and NATO kilowatts.
Interior Ministry: In Russia There Are About 2.5 Million Citizens of Ukraine
And I don’t need snot in the comments below this text about poor, peaceful people who were abandoned and betrayed by the “bad” Armed Forces of the Russian Federation. I have already learned this tactic of Ukrainian governmental psyops. War is cynical sh*t, not a macrame circle. But this is a barrel of honey, a fly in the ointment will be next…
Version 3 – “Socio-structural”:
I.e. the deliberate creation of “uncomfortable living conditions” for individuals or entire social groups that will force them to leave Russian society, or Russian state structures and social institutions. There is absolutely no doubt that this is an important factor for the full development of the country. This approach is more effective and widespread than the use of personalised enforcement tools.
Indeed, we need to defeat not Ukraine, and not even the EU, along with the USA. Victory over them will come by itself, if we do the main thing, we will be able to understand ourselves! Find weak and rotten links, defective areas. Replace them, fix them, throw them away.
There is neither good nor evil in this. No need to heap burning coals of shame on one’s head or trumpet hymns of praise, to go to extremes.
It just needs to be done to make the SYSTEM work! The most successful business structures periodically conduct stress tests on a variety of topics. You will be surprised, but almost always errors, mistakes and screw-ups pop up. Sometimes they are significant, sometimes not. Sometimes the person responsible for this flies out of the company like a cork from a bottle of champagne. Sometimes, they get a slap on the head, sometimes a bonus.
The “Special Military Operation” is also a stress test! Only on the scale of the largest state in the world by area. Held FOR THE FIRST TIME in 80 years! Do you think we should be able to do everything smoothly? No – that would be fantasy. Just counting on it is stupid. But it is also a crime to keep silent or stuff such a thing under the carpet, because the value of a stress test is precisely in identifying and correcting errors, anyone who prevents this is a criminal!
Strategically, the “cunning plan” to cleanse society works quite well:
- Outright traitors are either sat in jail or fled the country;
- Some businessmen rushed to the West to their money, others brought the money to Russia;
- Some “stars” went to the hospital, and to hell with the others;
- With the beginning of the announcement of the “Special Military Operation”, and then mobilisation, society regurgitated a huge number of cowards and scoundrels;
8 months is a more than sufficient period of time to look at the “combat path” of each official, officer and general and analyse it personally for professional suitability.
And I don’t need to hear phrases like “And before this it was impossible?”
I have been engaged in personnel security for 12 years and I can state with full responsibility: “Only practical activity shows the real level of training!” No tests, service checks, exercises give a complete picture. Fools disguise themselves very well. Yes, unfortunately we have already learned that…
Borisov – crappily organised the state defence order and went for a hard downgrade. The former deputy in the rear of the Ministry of Defence Bulgakov turned out to be weak and incompetent. Similar things will continue to happen.
Moreover, objectively, the Ministry of Defence needs a “generational change”, one can appreciate the experience of generals aged 60+, but most of them stupidly do not know how to work with a computer or any modern gadgets. And do you expect them to digitalise the battlefield and network-centric warfare? They should have crayons, pencils and paper maps – here is the thing! That’s just not how wars are fought anymore.
And it’s time for a very significant layer of the Russian military leadership to retire. If you think that you are able to be useful – then have the position of “adviser”. And this is not a stone in the garden of the Ministry of Defence – it’s just that now it’s in focus. This applies to all departments of Russia, where people aged 60+ rule.
Kadyrov, Prigozhin, many senior officers and young generals understand this, but they can’t do anything. Any law enforcement agency is a “fighting brotherhood of elders” who hold onto a chair for a banal reason. They don’t know how to do anything, and nobody needs them in civilian life!
If to not take “resonant cases”, when the “best” arrive in their position not though hard work, then ALL LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES work at a speed for which in a normal business structure you would be thrown out of the window in a week at most. The level of flexibility is close to zero!
Unless a person has experience in business, and Kadyrov, Prigozhin do. I am not at all surprised that such people are missing from the “decision-making system” in the Ministry of Defence and in other structures.
Therefore YES! I definitely agree that:
a) a radical rejuvenation of the command staff of law enforcement agencies is necessary;
b) the dilution of this “closed club of pensioners” with fresh blood from other departments.
We need real social elevators within the military system. In the civil sphere, this is somehow happening: the School of Governors, Leaders of Russia, etc., etc. There is no such thing in any siloviki department.
As a result, there is everywhere the height of old age, which is simply behind the times, but does not want to humble itself and admit it. The “Special Military Operation” showed that they simply cannot keep pace and have time to adapt to a rapidly changing environment.
And it’s not about Lapin, Kadyrov or Prigozhin. Everything is much more complicated. And yes, these stables need to be raked.
Can we win without it? Probably yes! And the fact that these questions began to be raised is correct.
THIS is much more important than the victory over Ukraine. We will solve problems and we will win everywhere! We will defeat anyone!
Sergey Bogatyrev
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From ZeroHedge:
"2023 Will Be Year From Hell" - Martin Armstrong Warns Europe 'Could Suck The Rest Of The World Down The Tubes'
Legendary financial and geopolitical cycle analyst Martin Armstrong says nothing is going to get better by the end of 2022, and he is still forecasting “chaos” coming in 2023.
Armstrong says the plunge in the stock market last week is all because of “extreme uncertainty.” Armstrong predicted a stock market crash two months ago and contends, “It’s not over.”
Europe is in big financial trouble with Russian natural gas turned off as a retaliation from the sanctions. Armstrong explains:
Didn't the Cs say the elites' financial manipulations would get out of control - best laid plans of mice and men?
"2023 Will Be Year From Hell" - Martin Armstrong Warns Europe 'Could Suck The Rest Of The World Down The Tubes'
Legendary financial and geopolitical cycle analyst Martin Armstrong says nothing is going to get better by the end of 2022, and he is still forecasting “chaos” coming in 2023.
Armstrong says the plunge in the stock market last week is all because of “extreme uncertainty.” Armstrong predicted a stock market crash two months ago and contends, “It’s not over.”
Europe is in big financial trouble with Russian natural gas turned off as a retaliation from the sanctions. Armstrong explains:
So, could Europe suck the rest of the world down the tubes? Armstrong says, “Oh, absolutely. Europe is the problem..."
So, where is smart money going to go? Armstrong says, “Stocks are like gold, it is on the same side of the table and is opposite government debt..."
READ MORE plus the nearly 59-minute interview:
Didn't the Cs say the elites' financial manipulations would get out of control - best laid plans of mice and men?
From RT:
Thousands of German stores on brink of closure Spiegel
QUICK! Sell more arms to Saudi Arabia!
Thousands of German stores on brink of closure Spiegel
QUICK! Sell more arms to Saudi Arabia!
From SputnikNews:
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EU Risks Financial Crisis, Disintegration If It Continues To Pour Billions Into Ukraine, Say Experts
The Biden administration has pledged to provide $1.5Bln a month to Kiev to keep the Ukrainian economy afloat and is pushing the EU to commit to a similar package, Bloomberg has reported. Meanwhile, the EU is facing a severe economic...
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The amount of intrigue, backstabbing and double/ triple agent activity involved in this spectacle is mindblowing. It also sadly calls into question the Babylon 5 prophecy of us inheriting wisened alien souls. Please dont point me towards details about JMS's career, i am fully aware. True art becomes more than its parts and intentions.
The reason we cannot move on from this nonsense is both complicated and simple. Power has an almost irresistable attraction, and in a world where authority itself is a prize, society will tend in that direction.
We were capable of great things but got captured by outside influences.
None of these geopolitics matter since they dont respect human nature. Putin does slightly better then some but its all marginal. CBDC's worldwide are to be avoided at all costs. If those get implemented without resistance we are kind of done.
I hate to be the harbinger of doom, but certain parties in 'control' of this world have truly sided with Sorath.
The reason we cannot move on from this nonsense is both complicated and simple. Power has an almost irresistable attraction, and in a world where authority itself is a prize, society will tend in that direction.
We were capable of great things but got captured by outside influences.
None of these geopolitics matter since they dont respect human nature. Putin does slightly better then some but its all marginal. CBDC's worldwide are to be avoided at all costs. If those get implemented without resistance we are kind of done.
I hate to be the harbinger of doom, but certain parties in 'control' of this world have truly sided with Sorath.
Yep, caught this as well tonight.
Found the full interview, note how one of the interviews immediately goes off on him going "wait and minute!!! where is your evidence!!" and when the professor speaks to that fact... the lady comes in to say... "well... uh let's not talk about that" priceless!! everybody knows!
Here's a translation from an article in Spanish about it
And then there's this, Russia extending yet another olive branch
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Russian nuclear submarine armed with 'doomsday' weapon disappears from Arctic harbor: report
Russian nuclear submarine armed with 'doomsday' weapon disappears from Arctic harbor: report
Russia's Belgorod nuclear submarine is no longer operating in the Arctic. NATO has warned its member countries that Putin may be testing the vessel's "doomsday" weapon.news.yahoo.com
A top-of-the-line Russian nuclear-powered submarine has gone missing from its harbor in the Arctic along with its rumored "doomsday weapon," according to multiple reports.
NATO has reportedly warned members that Russia's Belgorod submarine no longer appeared to be operating out of its White Sea base, where it has been active since July.
Officials warned that Russia may plan to test Belgorod's "Poseidon" weapons system, a drone equipped with a nuclear bomb that Russia has claimed is capable of creating a "radioactive tsunami," according to Italian media.
The drone can be deployed from the submarine at any time and detonated at a depth of 1 kilometer near a coastal city.
Russian state media has claimed the device can create a 1,600-ft. wave that smashes into the coast and irradiates it.
The 600-ft. submarine was delivered to the Russian Navy in July as part of Russian President Vladimir Putin’s top-secret program that aims to develop and operate a series of a new class of "super weapons."
The Belgorod submarine was delivered to the Russian Navy in July as part of Russian President Vladimir Putin’s (foreground, right) top-secret program that aims to develop and operate a series of a new class of "super weapons."
Rebekah Koffler, a strategic intelligence expert and author of "Putin’s Playbook," warned that Russia's use of such a weapon would only come as a last resort "in the event that Russia and the U.S. are in a direct kinetic war and Russia is losing."
Koffler said the device is likely not to be operational until 2027, but Putin may be testing it as a means to intimidate both Ukraine its NATO allies in the West. Putin has warned that Russia's potential use of nuclear weapons is "not a bluff."
Belgorod's location remains publicly unknown as of Monday, a situation that is not particularly surprising to Koffler. Russian submarines have some of the best stealth capabilities in the world and have even entered U.S. waters undetected in the past, according to Koffler.
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"There have been times when Russian nuclear-powered attack submarines, armed with long-range cruise missiles, operated undetected for weeks close to U.S. shores," Koffler told Fox News Digital.
One incident in the early 2010s saw a submarine get detected only when it was leaving U.S. waters.
"My colleagues from the Office of Naval Intelligence got a serious dressing down by a four-star general" following the event, Koffler said.
Putin 'deploys Belgorod nuclear sub' amid sabre-rattling over Ukraine
The Belgorod - a huge 600ft Russian nuclear submarine - has left its base in the White Sea and may be going to test its Poseidon doomsday device, a NATO warning note has said.www.dailymail.co.uk
Putin 'deploys Belgorod nuclear submarine which carries Poseidon underwater drone capable of unleashing radioactive tsunamis which lay waste to enemy coastlines'
- Russian nuclear submarine Belgorod has left its White Sea base, it is claimed
- NATO warns sub might be on mission to test Poseidon drone, Italian media said
- Poseidon is a doomsday device designed to trigger a 1,600ft nuclear tsunami
- It comes after Putin threatened the West with nukes over the war in Ukraine
Vladimir Putin may have deployed a huge nuclear submarine carrying its latest doomsday weapon, NATO has warned its members.
The Belgorod has disappeared from its home base in the Arctic Circle and may be on its way to the Kara Sea to test the Poseidon nuke, a NATO warning note leaked to Italian media over the weekend has suggested.
Poseidon is a drone that is said to be capable of travelling huge distances underwater before detonating with enough force to trigger a 1,600ft nuclear tsunami designed to drown and irradiate coastal cities.
The Belgorod - a 600ft Russian nuclear submarine capable of carrying the Poseidon doomsday weapon - has left its base in the White Sea, a NATO warning note has said
Poseidon is an underwater drone that Russia claims is capable of triggering 1,600ft nuclear tsunamis designed to drown and irradiate coastal cities
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North Korea fires ballistic missile over Japan for first time since 2017
North Korea fires ballistic missile over Japan for first time since 2017
The missile, which was estimated to have traveled 4,600 km, prompted Tokyo to issue a rare alert calling for residents to take cover.www.japantimes.co.jp
North Korea launched an intermediate-range ballistic missile over Japan for the first time since 2017 on Tuesday, the government said, a dramatic escalation that prompted Tokyo to issue a rare alert for residents to take cover.
Defense Minister Yasukazu Hamada said the weapon, believed to be a Hwasong-12 IRBM, flew 4,600 kilometers — the longest distance ever traveled by a North Korean missile — flying for about one minute over Aomori Prefecture before eventually landing in the Pacific Ocean some 3,200 km from Japan.
“North Korea's recent series of actions, including its persistent and escalating launches, threaten the peace and security of the region and the globe, and are a serious challenge to the entire international community, including our own country,” Hamada told reporters.
Pyongyang has conducted a flurry of missile tests at an unprecedented rate this year. Since Sept. 25, it has conducted launches five times, firing off a total of eight missiles — a frenetic pace that has rekindled memories of the “fire and fury” period five years ago that some say took the world to the brink of nuclear catastrophe.
Hamada said the launch over Japan was “as an extremely problematic act from the perspective of ensuring the safety of not only aircraft and ships, but also the residents of the area where the ballistic missile is believed to have passed over.”
“Japan cannot tolerate such a move, and we have made a protest to North Korea through its embassy in Beijing, condemning it in the strongest possible terms,” he added.
Prime Minister Fumio Kishida speaks to reporters about a North Korean missile launch that overflew Japan, at the Prime Minister’s Office in Tokyo on Tuesday morning. | KYODO
Prime Minister Fumio Kishida, meanwhile, also slammed Pyongyang’s spate of launches, calling them “a series of outrageous acts.”
Kishida said he had instructed government officials to gather and analyze information on the latest launch while working with relevant countries, including its top ally, the United States.
Following the launch, Japan’s J-Alert warning system was also activated for the first time since 2017, with alerts issued for Hokkaido and Aomori Prefecture, as well as Tokyo’s Izu islands, urging residents to take shelter.
In a hastily arranged news conference earlier Tuesday, Chief Cabinet Secretary Hirokazu Matsuno said that there had been no reports of damage to airplanes or ships, adding that the government was working to confirm that there was no damage from any falling debris.
Matsuno, the government’s top spokesman, also said that the Self-Defense Forces had “completely monitored and tracked the launch from immediately after until when it landed,” adding that the SDF did not take measures to shoot down the missile since no damage to Japanese territory had been anticipated.
South Korean President Yoon Suk-yeol speaks to reporters as he arrives at the Presidential Office in Seoul on Tuesday. | YONHAP / VIA AFP-JIJI
In Seoul, South Korean President Yoon Suk-yeol condemned the launch, saying that it would be met with a “resolute” response from the country, its allies and the international community.
Yoon stressed that Pyongyang’s continued provocations would only serve to strengthen security cooperation with the U.S., Japan and other partners outside the region, according to the Presidential Office.
The White House, meanwhile, blasted the North’s “dangerous and reckless decision to launch a long-range ballistic missile over Japan.”
“This action is destabilizing and shows the DPRK’s blatant disregard for United Nations Security Council resolutions and international safety norms,” National Security Council spokesperson Adrienne Watson said, using the acronym for the North’s formal name.
Senior officials from the U.S. and its allies in Japan and South Korea had spoken about “appropriate and robust joint and international responses,” the White House said, though it was unclear what those might be.
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A broadcast on a TV in Tokyo on Tuesday shows a warning about a North Korean missile launch. | KANAKO TAKAHARA
The launch over Japan — seen as a far more provocative step than its recent spate of shorter-range missile tests — was the seventh time the nuclear-armed nation had sent a ballistic missile over the Japanese archipelago.
Analysts concurred with the Japanese assessment that the weapon was likely to have been a Hwasong-12, which has a similar range. North Korea has twice lobbed a Hwasong-12 over Japan, the last time occurring in 2017, sparking outrage in Tokyo and triggering the J-Alert system.
Pyongyang also tested one of the weapons on Jan. 30, firing it on a so-called lofted trajectory that saw it fly as high as 2,000 km, while traveling 800 km before landing in the Sea of Japan.
“Based on the range, apogee and flight time, the North Korea missile was a Hwasong-12 IRBM,” Jeffery Lewis, director of the East Asia Nonproliferation Program at the Middlebury Institute, wrote on Twitter.
With little hope of long-stalled denuclearization talks between the North and the U.S. resuming in the near future — and the war in Ukraine and tensions with China dominating the headlines — North Korean leader Kim Jong Un may be seeing the value in conducting more provocative weapons tests, experts say.
“By now, North Korea’s short-range missile tests must suffer diminishing returns in terms of technical advancement, domestic political value and international signaling,” said Leif-Eric Easley, a professor at Ewha University in Seoul.
But, Easley added, a missile fired over Japan represents "a significant escalation over its recent provocations.”
A Hwasong-12 intermediate-range ballistic missile is displayed during a military parade in Pyongyang in October 2020. | KCNA / VIA KYODO
Still, J. Berkshire Miller, a senior fellow with the Japan Institute of International Affairs, said that while the launch “is clearly a signal” from Pyongyang of its unhappiness with the U.S., “the tests are not purely theatrics to get American attention, and are a continued attempt to perfect capabilities and bolster confidence in their deterrent power.”
Perhaps more concerning, Kim may still have yet another means of ramping up his provocations.
According to U.S. and South Korean officials, the only thing preventing North Korea from conducting its seventh nuclear test — possibly of a smaller, battlefield warhead known as a tactical nuclear weapon — is a greenlight from Kim.
South Korea’s spy agency said last week that the North had readied an underground tunnel at its Punggye-ri nuclear test site, and that it could conduct a blast sometime between Oct. 16 and Nov. 7. Such a time frame would position any test between an important congress of China’s Communist Party and November’s U.S. midterm congressional elections.
“Pyongyang is still in the middle of a provocation and testing cycle and is likely waiting until after China’s mid-October Communist Party congress to conduct an even more significant test,” Easley said, adding that the Kim regime is developing weapons such as tactical nuclear warheads and submarine-launched ballistic missiles as part of a long-term strategy "to outrun South Korea in an arms race and drive wedges among U.S. allies.”
They're going all in on the Red October theme ...
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f1esk
Jedi Council Member
️Vladimir Zelensky put into effect the decision of the National Security and Defense Council on the impossibility of holding negotiations with Vladimir Putin, the corresponding decree was published on the website of the office of the Ukrainian President.Is the US sending a signal through Zelensky to traitors in Russia to eliminate Putin?
f1esk
Jedi Council Member
This assumption is based on the fact that on September 30, the last day of the referendum, the United States imposed sanctions against Nabiullina, the Federation Council and relatives of Medvedev, Mishustin, Sobyanin.
Is the US sending a signal through Zelensky to traitors in Russia to eliminate Putin?
The traitors from this list did not cope with their tasks. For example, Nabiulina failed to bring down the Russian economy. And behind such officials are corporate forces that can cause unrest in Russia. And now, if they want to prove that they are still serving the west, they need to do what they ask.
(I do not consider everyone on this list to be traitors)
Perhaps this is the beginning of the stage that Svetlana Dragan prophesies.
These are my thoughts on what's going on.
Or maybe Zelensky was just offended?
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