Pentagon Strike Alleged Witness: James Ryan

thorbiorn

The Living Force
FOTCM Member
Laura said:
There are several of these links that bring up errors, they no longer exist on the web. It would be useful if anyone could find them archived somewhere and if a thread has not been created for that witness, to create one in the same style.
Introduction
James Ryan is the first witness mentioned on Michael Rivero's "whatreallyhappened" which Laura refers to. The sound links do not work and I have tried to find them but no luck yet. However there are written transcribed versions that refer to sound clips or the sound clips that do not work. Apparently they should be stored on French server, but I am not able to establish contact.
There are four versions. - Thorborn

[First account of James Ryan]
From: http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/F77penta03.html#AAFA
Ryan, James
I live a couple of miles from the Pentagon and my car wasn't starting so I was looking for a garage, a mechanic to fix my car. This place was on Columbia Pike. So I went to Columbia Pike. And so I left there and then that's when I saw what I saw; I saw the plane, was on my way home.
What made me look up was the sound. Because typically you hear planes flying over and they make a steady sound like "shhhhhhhhhhh," when they're coming to land, it's pretty steady. Well I heard [making a buzzing sound that drops in pitch] and so I looked up. And when I looked up . . . on my left . . . I see an American Airlines plane, silver plane, I could see "AA" on the tail. I noticed the landing gear was up. And the airport's over here . . . the planes are landing this way, typically [pointing in the opposite direction]. And so he's going in the wrong direction.
Meanwhile I had just heard about what happened at the World Trade Center. So . . . immediately I thought, 'This is all wrong. Everything about it is wrong. The sound of the engine is wrong. The place of the plane is wrong. It's way too low, it's right here and there's no landing gear down, so how can it land?'
Question: How high he was?
RJ: Within a hundred feet. It was very low. At that point he tilted his wings, this way and then this way. Kind of about this speed. He kind of did like that and it was, the plane was slow. So that happened concurrently with the engines going down. . . . and then straightened out sort of suddenly and hit full gas. . . . It was so loud it hurt my ears. It was just so loud. . . . and he just went straight in at that point and I just screamed . . . because I thought, there was nothing I could do, I wanted to throw a rock at it or something. It was awful.
Question: And you saw it hit the Pentagon?
RJ: No at that point it went down because I was approaching a hill. And at that point it went straight down over the hill and a moment later I heard this terrific boom!, a very deep boom! sound, and then immediately I saw all the orange and yellow sort of ball of fire and then thick black smoke go up in to the air. . . .
The plane was low enough that I could see the windows in the plane, I could see every detail of the plane. In my head I have ingrained forever this image of every detail of that plane. . . .
It was a silver plane, American Airlines plane, I recognized it immediately as a passenger plane.
Real Player (video): "Ryan",
http://digipressetmp3.teaser.fr/uploads/488/Ryan2.ram
Digipresse, 5/22//02 (low bandwidth recording)
http://digipressetmp3.teaser.fr/uploads/488/Ryan.ram

[Second account of James Ryan]
http://home.planet.nl/~reijd050/JoeR/911_dump_of_Pentagon_quotes.html
James Ryan, in his car:
"On my left, right above me - a little over. I see an American Airlines plane, silver plane, I could see AA on the tail. I noticed the landing gear was up...[How heigh was it] Within a hundred feet. It was very low. At that point he tilted his wings this way and this way (mimics), And the plane was slow, so that happened concurrently with the engines going down. (mimics) And then straightened out sort of suddenly and hit full gas. (mimics) It was so loud it hurt my ears. It was just so loud. He just went straight in at that point. ...[went over a hill and he heard an explosion]...The plane was low enough that I could see the windows of the plane. I could see every detail of the plane..."
(Digipresse interview) http://digipressetmp3.teaser.fr/uploads/488/Ryan2.ram
http://digipressetmp3.teaser.fr/uploads/488/Ryan.ram

[Third account of James Ryan]
http://mouv4x8.club.fr/11Sept01/A0082_b_They%20saw%20the%20aircraft.htm
James Ryan, 27, a former US Navy Attache, a computer company employee lives a couple of miles from the Pentagon. His car wasn't starting so he was on Columbia Pike, looking for a mechanic to fix it. Looking up overhead to his left, he saw:
"A silver plane; I could see 'AA' on the tail, I noticed the landing gear was up..."
how high he was?(sic)
"within a hundred feet it was very low At that point he tilted his wings, this way [right wing down] and then this way. [left wing down] .... and then straightened out suddenly and hit full gas ... so loud it hurt my ears
"The plane was low enough I could see the windows in the plane .. every detail of the plane.
"A silver plane, an American Airlines plane; I recognised it immediately as a passenger plane."
In an interview he imitates the sound of the plane:
Recorded interview - quick load / May 2002.
http://trans.voila.fr/ano?anolg=65544&anourl=http%3A%2F%2Fdigipressetmp3.teaser.fr%2Fuploads%2F488%2FRyan.ram
Recorded interview - best quality / May 2002.
http://trans.voila.fr/ano?anolg=65544&anourl=http%3A%2F%2Fdigipressetmp3.teaser.fr%2Fuploads%2F488%2FRyan2.ram

[Fourth account of James Ryan]
http://www.911-strike.com/eyewitness_vague.htm :
He tilted his wings, this way and in this way (Ryan mimics). He kinda did like that. At that point the plane was slow, so that happened concurrently with the engines going down. And then straighten up in sort of suddenly and hit full gas. (Ryan mimics). It was just so loud.(Video)
low bandwidth : http://digipressetmp3.teaser.fr/uploads/488/Ryan.ram
high bandwidth : http://digipressetmp3.teaser.fr/uploads/488/Ryan2.ram
[T: comment from www.911-strike.com: Ryan's video interview is interesting, but he wasn't in position to see the final approach.]
 

thorbiorn

The Living Force
FOTCM Member
Since we do not have the original Video all we can do is to reconstruct what it was on the basis of the above alleged transcripts. The way I have gone about it, is to make a type of concordance. Each version has a number, one to four in the sequence given, and besides numbers each has a color: black, blue, green and purple in that sequence. Then I have given titles to the themes as the narration develops.

[Introduction]
1. Ryan, James
I live a couple of miles from the Pentagon and my car wasn't starting so I was looking for a garage, a mechanic to fix my car. This place was on Columbia Pike. So I went to Columbia Pike. And so I left there and then that's when I saw what I saw; I saw the plane, was on my way home.
2. James Ryan, in his car:
3. James Ryan, 27, a former US Navy Attache, a computer company employee lives a couple of miles from the Pentagon. His car wasn't starting so he was on Columbia Pike, looking for a mechanic to fix it.
4. NA
[The observation]
1. What made me look up was the sound. Because typically you hear planes flying over and they make a steady sound like "shhhhhhhhhhh," when they're coming to land, it's pretty steady. Well I heard [making a buzzing sound that drops in pitch] and so I looked up. And when I looked up . . . on my left . . . I see an American Airlines plane, silver plane, I could see "AA" on the tail. I noticed the landing gear was up. And the airport's over here . . . the planes are landing this way, typically [pointing in the opposite direction]. And so he's going in the wrong direction.
2. On my left, right above me - a little over. I see an American Airlines plane, silver plane, I could see AA on the tail. I noticed the landing gear was up...
3. A silver plane; I could see 'AA' on the tail, I noticed the landing gear was up...
4. NA
[RJ: Reference to the WTC]
1.Meanwhile I had just heard about what happened at the World Trade Center. So . . . immediately I thought, 'This is all wrong. Everything about it is wrong. The sound of the engine is wrong. The place of the plane is wrong. It's way too low, it's right here and there's no landing gear down, so how can it land?
2.3. And 4. NA
[Interviewer]
1.Question: How high he was?
2. ...[How heigh was it]
3. how high he was?(sic)
4.. NA
[RJ: Explanation of height and sound]
1.RJ: Within a hundred feet. It was very low. At that point he tilted his wings, this way and then this way. Kind of about this speed. He kind of did like that and it was, the plane was slow. So that happened concurrently with the engines going down. . . . and then straightened out sort of suddenly and hit full gas. . . . It was so loud it hurt my ears. It was just so loud. . . . and he just went straight in at that point and I just screamed . . . because I thought, there was nothing I could do, I wanted to throw a rock at it or something. It was awful.
2. Within a hundred feet. It was very low. At that point he tilted his wings this way and this way (mimics), And the plane was slow, so that happened concurrently with the engines going down. (mimics) And then straightened out sort of suddenly and hit full gas. (mimics) It was so loud it hurt my ears. It was just so loud. He just went straight in at that point. ...
3. within a hundred feet it was very low At that point he tilted his wings, this way [right wing down] and then this way. [left wing down] .... and then straightened out suddenly and hit full gas ... so loud it hurt my ears
4. He tilted his wings, this way and in this way (Ryan mimics). He kinda did like that. At that point the plane was slow, so that happened concurrently with the engines going down. And then straighten up in sort of suddenly and hit full gas. (Ryan mimics). It was just so loud. [end of 4.]
[Interviewer]
1.Question: And you saw it hit the Pentagon?
[RJ: Explaining that he did not see the strike.]
1.RJ: No at that point it went down because I was approaching a hill. And at that point it went straight down over the hill and a moment later I heard this terrific boom!, a very deep boom! sound, and then immediately I saw all the orange and yellow sort of ball of fire and then thick black smoke go up in to the air. . . .
2. ...[went over a hill and he heard an explosion]...
3.NA
[What he saw of the plane]
1. The plane was low enough that I could see the windows in the plane, I could see every detail of the plane. In my head I have ingrained forever this image of every detail of that plane. . . .
It was a silver plane, American Airlines plane, I recognized it immediately as a passenger plane.
2....The plane was low enough that I could see the windows of the plane. I could see every detail of the plane...
3. "The plane was low enough I could see the windows in the plane .. every detail of the plane.
"A silver plane, an American Airlines plane; I recognised it immediately as a passenger plane."


Comments:
The above transcripts have minor variations but having spent a few minutes on them it appears to me they all could have been done directly and independently from the original. The main overview is in the first account and minor corrections and additions can be gleaned from reading and comparing with the others. So I am going to leave that part for the time being.

Since he did not see the actual impact with the Pentagon of the object, that he claims to have seen, he has not provided conclusive evidence that it was. Besides in order to determine if a plane is a specific plane it is not enough to assert that: In my head I have ingrained forever this image of every detail of that plane. It is necessary to provide number of engines, tail number, size, number of windows and so on.

When I read the story of James Ryan I remembered an article I once read, OPERATION OPEN EYES - MIND CONTROL IN AMERICA from Rumourmillnews. It is a useful read, when one ponders some of the reasons 911 went as it did.The article gives descriptions of one way programming can be done and how it can be used.

The next issue is to find out where exactly he saw it. He mentions Columbia Pike, it is the one that on the maps is also known as 244. On the map below one finds 244 going under 27 coming from the left and continuing to the right parallel with the pink streak. If one reads the altitude curves, one gets an idea that the left curve of 27 is running in a valley, and that 244 after going under climbs a hill which then descends towards the Pentagon. So a good probability is that James Ryan was near the beginning of the pink streak, before the top of the hill.
Map borrowed from http://www. 911-strike.com
ep1shrink.jpg


See also this from http://www.SheratonNational.com:
map.gif


Also in this area is the Sheraton National Hotel, which is in Orme street/Columbia Pike, on the map it is just about where the pink streak begins. The alleged witness there is Deborah Anlauf who about her experience should have said:
http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=1140
The Leader-Telegram Special said:
"Suddenly I saw this plane right outside my window," Anlauf said during a telephone interview from her hotel room this morning. "You felt like you could touch it; it was that close. It was just incredible.
"Then it shot straight across from where we are and flew right into the Pentagon. It was just this huge fireball that crashed into the wall (of the Pentagon). When it hit, the whole hotel shook."
Further along there is also a third alleged witness:
http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=1152
South Coast Today said:
William Middleton Sr., was running his street sweeper through the cemetery when he heard a harsh whistling sound overhead. Middleton looked up and spotted a commercial jet whose pilot seemed to be fighting with his own craft.
Middleton said the plane was no higher than the tops of telephone poles as it lurched toward the Pentagon. The jet accelerated in the final few hundred yards before it tore into the building.
But one problem with this path is that it does not fit with the calculated crash angle and it is alleged not to fit with the line that took down light posts. The photo below presents the problem.

flight_path.jpg


How to solve this issue?
1.One could allege that in fact the plane was not where these people said it was. It was a little further away, where the lamp poles got toppled. And then we can have two sub explanations:
a). It was just the excitement of the moment that made them say what they said and the way they said it.
b). James Ryan, Deborah Anlauf and William Middleton Sr. were set up or programmed to create a phantom plane, in order to divert the investigation, just like the first report had it, that The US TODAY building had also been hit. (See Steve Anderson thread)
2.There was a second plane which crossed the other at the Pentagon, but the light pole clipper crashed moments before allowing the other to fly close over and disappear in the smoke, while at the same time making it look like it crashed.
3.There was only one plane, only it did not fly straight as Deborah Anlauf and James Ryan alleged. But would that be possible while accelerating so much? (The last is question for the pilots.)

These are hypothesis that one can play with. Let us see if a little more witness analysis will settle the matter.

James Ryan is keen on American Airlines and a passenger jet. But there is too little meat on his description to certify it as a B-757 and # 77. In addition if it looks like a duck it has to behave like a duck, and this one did not after it flew over the hill where James Ryan last saw it.

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