Oak Ridge, MKULTRA type of facility in Ontario, Canada

Palinurus said:
Congrats Captain Anatine with your option contract. Hope it will bear ample fruit. Please do keep us posted about any progress worth mentioning. :cool2:

Very good to hear, Captain Anatine. Will look forward to your progress too.
 
If this thread is still alive...
The Oak Ridge class action suit is over..
The judge found Oak Ridge and barker did torture and abuse patients.
It now goes to compensation hearings. Good luck to them but no one is responsible... just a pay out from insurance companies.
 
If this thread is still alive...

Now it is again. Thank you Captain Anatine for remembering about this place.

The Oak Ridge class action suit is over..
The judge found Oak Ridge and barker did torture and abuse patients.
It now goes to compensation hearings. Good luck to them but no one is responsible... just a pay out from insurance companies.

I won't pretend I understand much of the legal language - I don't. But what I get from your post and the one you linked to is that after all the suffering criminally inflicted on people, and after 17 years of a hard legal battle that must have been another nightmare, all what the victims get is a possibility of some compensation money. Provided another battle is won (I hope at least that goes smoothly and the compensation is decent, no matter who is going to pay it). But the mad doctors stay free? And they call it justice. What a world we live in... :-(

By the way, do you know how thing are going with the movie?
 
Of course I didn't forget about this place..one of the few not full of hostility and trolling.

I never expected much from the trial but now it's clear the lawyers representing Oak Ridge victims made a huge mistake. from the beginning.
I can't say if it was deliberate but it sure gets the government off the hook and it makes Oak Ridge doctors look like they just made a dumb mistake.
The PDF of the judges decision is interesting.. He was surprised, given the published statements of Dr. Barker, that the lawyers didn't suggest malfeasance..
Clearly the judge would have agreed and it would have taken the thing to a whole new level ..possibly criminal charges.
But that is over now.
Sad thing is they concentrated on the doctors who did the experiments and not the government who financed and ordered it.
I want to know where the hundreds of hours of videos from the capsule went... These videos would be illegal to even posses.. They would be child porn.
Some of the naked boys were as young as 15.
For those who don't know .. the video is here. not the porn one but proof of its existence.
Media
"F" WARD.
I can't say anything about a movie but afterward I'll write another book about the trial and coverup.

Curious thing to note... Dr. Barker has no Wikipedia... shows how badly his reputation was trashed...
I don't mind being applauded for doing this.
 
Thank you Captain Anatine for remembering about this place.

Yes, I ran across this thread not a few weeks ago, so thanks for dropping back in and offering the ruling and your words.

The PDF of the judges decision is interesting.. He was surprised, given the published statements of Dr. Barker, that the lawyers didn't suggest malfeasance..
Clearly the judge would have agreed and it would have taken the thing to a whole new level ..possibly criminal charges.
But that is over now.

Yeah, I read this narrow list of defendants (HER MAJESTY THE QUEEN IN RIGHT being the main one) and noted the Justices ruling. It also starts off citing the 'Hippocratic Oath" - of which below the Psychiatric Assoc. Journal 61 is cited with workarounds to negate said oath. :mad:

Also noted the Judge ends with:

[155] I order a trial or additional summary judgment motions to prove victimization, harm, causation of harm and to quantify the individual Plaintiffs’ damages, if any. I direct the Plaintiffs to schedule a case conference to set a schedule for the completion of the action.

What does this additional signify as it must have taken place being that the ruling was 2017-06?
 
The judge ordered a trial to determine damages. It is scheduled for April.
The wife of one of the plaintiffs contacted me recently. After all these years of waiting..he died before it was over.
She sent me some documents her husband kept in a locked box. I'm going through it now trying to find a way to post it.
She told me the lawyers almost cut her and her family out of the class action.
If she had not found out about assigning an executor through another source.
This is the same law firm that screwed me over for more than a decade before forcing me out of it .
I think Barker knows he made a mistake picking on me.. now I intend to give this law firm the same lesson.

It's difficult to have compassion for many of the plaintiffs in this case. They are the worst of the worst.
Many of them are still locked up and will be forever.
This legal circus is only concerned with how much money they will get in their account, where the only place they can spend it is the prison canteen.
I doubt if any of them will leave a will.. the money not spent on tooth paste and candy will go back to the Receiver General when they die.
 
Thanks Captain Anatine for the background follow up as it is certainly a hard reality, and you have been living with it all these years.

Understand the point on those still 'in,' as you say, forever.

Hope you drop back in with updates from time to time!
 
A brief update..
This pdf file was sent to me by the woman who's husband was in the class action but recently died.
As far as I know this has never been seen by anyone.. He kept it in a locked box.
This is a torture manual.
I'm looking into taking this to the International Human Rights Tribunal in he Hague.
 

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Thanks for the update and the attached.

Spent some time looking through Jennifer Bazar's site (Ph.D), and that is some extensive history she has collected.

Noted on Maier, especially in one part when he went off the rails with the program and Boyd's response to him:

The breaking point came in 1975 when Maier orchestrated a mass psychedelic trip on one of the wards. A group of 26 men were each injected with 300 mcg of LSD-25. Maier's expressed intention was to encourage a collectively shared experience of self-knowing among a group of diagnosed psychopaths and schizophrenics; instead, it heralded the demise of the decade-old program. Shortly after Maier's group experiment, he received a memo from Superintendent Boyd:

"Concern has been expressed by other Unit Directors and the Treatment Department Heads as to the direction of recent developments in treatment.... The use of LSD as an experimental and research tool appears to be undergoing some change from the approach originally approved.... I would ask you to gently de-escalate these aspects..." (Boyd, 1975).

Maier nonetheless continued the program, repeating the mass injection session with 12 patients the following year. But the practice of letting Oak Ridge patients wander the ward while in a psychedelic trance was too much for attendant staff to bear. While Maier accused Attendants of sabotaging the programming, Attendants in turn raised serious security concerns. The events culminated in the Attendants locking the professional staff out of Oak Ridge, Maier included. Ministry officials were dispatched from Toronto to address the situation and, in the end, Maier and his professional staff were transferred out of Penetanguishene.
 
This picture is from the Oak Ridge remembered website...
What on earth happened here ?
Jennifer Bazar and I had a good relationship when I was writing my book and wanted to add a link on her site but I think they told her to stay clear of me.
 

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