Oak Ridge, MKULTRA type of facility in Ontario, Canada

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Another horrible story and crime whose victims are still waiting for justice.

Oak Ridge, a mental asylum for criminals, closed in 2014, was part of Penetanguishene Mental Health Centre (http://www.asylumprojects.org/index.php?title=Penetanguishene_Mental_Health_Centre). In the 1960s/70s it carried out a program to “cure (undiagnosed) psychopaths”, including with LSD, scopolamine and other drugs, along with torture and all techniques used in the notorious brain washing operations (but “we don’t use that term”, says in an interview Dr. Elliot T. Barker, one of its main psychiatrists at that time, still professionally active.). The supposedly “tremendously successful” program failed, and the "psychopaths who participated in the program had a significantly worse outcome than the psychopaths who did not participated in the program but went to prison instead", says Dr. Marnie E. Rice, Director of Research at the mental Health Center (http://www.waypointcentre.ca/research_academics/researchers/MarnieERice/) "This was truly remarkable that you could unchanged their behavior but that was for the worse", she adds with a smile on her face.

One of the program survivors, Steve Smith recently published a book The Psychopath Machine: A Story of Resistance and Survival, which is described as follows (http://ahp.apps01.yorku.ca/?p=6474):

When Steve Smith set out to hitchhike from Sault Ste. Marie, Ontario to Canada’s west coast back in 1968, he was just an eighteen-year-old hippie with an appetite for adventure. But a short way into his journey, a reckless decision to steal a car landed him in police custody. Afraid of getting caught with the two tabs of acid in his pocket, Steve popped them into his mouth. It was one of the worst decisions of his life.

Mistaking his drug trip for a mental breakdown, the authorities placed him in Ontario’s notorious Oak Ridge mental health facility. While there, not only did he find himself shoulder-to-shoulder with people like notorious child killer Peter Woodcock and mass murderers Matt Lamb and Victor Hoffman, he also fell into the hands of someone worse: Dr. Elliot T. Barker.

Over the next eight months, Barker subjected Steve and the other patients to a battery of unorthodox experiments involving LSD, scopolamine, methamphetamines, and other drugs. Steven also experienced numerous other forms of abuse and torture.

Following his release, Steve continued to suffer the aftereffects of his Oak Ridge experience. For several years, he found himself in and out of prison—and back to Oak Ridge—before he was finally able to establish himself as a successful entrepreneur.

Once he began investigating what happened to him during his youth, not even Steve was prepared for what he would discover about Barker, Oak Ridge, and one of the darkest periods in Canada’s treatment of mental health patients. The question remains: Was Oak Ridge and Dr. Barker trying to cure psychopaths or trying to create and direct them?
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More:

What happened at Oak Ridge Psychiatric Unit?
http://www.bbk.ac.uk/hiddenpersuaders/blog/happened-oak-ridge-psychiatric-unit/

Steve’s Blog: http://www.thepsychopathmachine.com/oak-ridge-resource.html

Remembering Oak Ridge https://historyexhibit.waypointcentre.ca

Videos:

Jim’s story (15 mins)

https://youtu.be/879UUw4u9q8

Steve Smith re-visiting Oak Ridge, with old footage (16 mins)

https://youtu.be/s-FbXDuiINY

Peter Woodcock aka David Michael Krueger, whom you can see in the 2nd video, died at the Oak Ridge facility in 2010
https://www.thestar.com/news/ontario/2010/03/09/the_serial_killer_they_couldnt_cure_dies_behind_bars.html

“Woodcock arrived in Penetang just as psychiatrists began trying to find ways to cure psychopathic offenders. In the 1960s and 1970s, he was fed LSD. He participated in something called "The Hundred Day Hate-In," where psychopaths were jammed into a room together to force them to develop empathy. He was given powerful drugs and lived in a giant, dark artificial womb for several days. These treatments did not work.”
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Another page with an entry on Woodcock:
http://murderpedia.org/male.K/k/krueger-david.htm


F-Ward by Norm Perry and the patients at Oak Ridge (48 mins)

https://youtu.be/q6OBy-9s_p0
 
What I find interesting, this that they thought they would actually 'work', but of course, as you said, it depends on what their goal really was, to stop or start psychopathic behavior.
These techniques seem just more of the same from that time period, but then it reminds me of our world today as the USA leads the West into the same failed policies over and over.... but that 'failed' policy depends upon the goal desired... if chaos is their chief goal, then it could indeed be branded a success, sort of like George Jr on that ship with the banner: 'Mission Accomplished'.
 
It took a week for my post to get approved.
This thread is about my story and I venture to say I'm the only person on this forum with direct knowledge of Oak Ridge.
I'll check back from time to time.
 
Captain Anatine said:
It took a week for my post to get approved.
This thread is about my story and I venture to say I'm the only person on this forum with direct knowledge of Oak Ridge.
I'll check back from time to time.
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Hi Captain Anatine

It's great to have you here. I'm glad you want to share some of your experiences on this topic. I'm new to the topic of Oak Ridge and haven't seen this thread until today and I appreciate your posting in it as it brought it to the top of the 'Recent posts' section to take it to my attention.

I'm just chiming in to let you know that I'm interested in what you have to say, it's just that I don't know what to ask yet as I haven't absorbed this information yet, and don't readily have the time to do so until later this evening (that is if everything goes well at home!).

Aside from the sources listed above, perhaps you could provide a synopsis of your career or key experiences in your own words here in the forum as a sort of ice breaker?

Perhaps an introduction would be best placed in the New Members section of this forum: https://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/board,39.0.html

Just select 'New Topic' and we can welcome you there.

Cheers,
Z
 
Captain Anatine said:
It took a week for my post to get approved.
This thread is about my story and I venture to say I'm the only person on this forum with direct knowledge of Oak Ridge.
I'll check back from time to time.
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I just posted on your other thread about your book. I don't know much about Oak Ridge and haven't had a chance to watch all the videos posted by PoB, and I would be interested to hear your story.
 
I would like to keep this simple so it's better if there is just one thread.

The posted videos bring many questions.
If people who want to participate in this thread can take the time to watch them.
There is much to talk about.

My basic premise is this
the Oak Ridge experiment was not a failure.

The experiments were designed to accomplish two goals.
First
To identify this percent of the population with such an amazing lack of empathy.
They don't care or connect with the rest of humanity.
Then
Learn how to create this type of person.
Either through trauma, drugs or brainwashing.
We call them psychopaths or sociopaths.

Learn how to control this type of person.
Turn their cold bloodlessness into a useful asset .

Studies of the consequences of Oak Ridge are clear.
But it depends on your point of view if it was a failure or a success .
 
Captain Anatine said:
Learn how to control this type of person.
Turn their cold bloodlessness into a useful asset .

Studies of the consequences of Oak Ridge are clear.
But it depends on your point of view if it was a failure or a success .
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Interesting. Steve, so if they "succeeded", do you think they are implementing these ideas in a programmatic way? I'd be really interested in hearing how the results of this kind of "research" might be put into effect and practiced. Is it limited to certain individuals? Targeted at a wide population?
 
I suppose the best place to start would be the "Hucker Report"
Published in 1984.
http://www.oakridgeclassaction.ca/document/vol%204/The%20Hucker%20Report.pdf
Or
http://search.library.utoronto.ca/details?3144804&uuid=98741588-93ea-4c70-96a1-04a08a19d8e6

This was a comprehensive review of the Oak Ridge program.
The conclusion was clear. The program was a failure.
It was statistically proven those patients who went through Dr. E.T. Barkers "Defense Disrupting Therapy"
had a significantly worse outcome than those who went to prison.

Meaning Barkers patients went on to commit more serious crimes including murder and rape.
Dr. Marni Rice confirms this in the CBC documentary posted here and on my website.

A few examples are Mathew Charles Lamb and Peter Woodcock.
Lambs story is here.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mathew_Charles_Lamb
The part about Matt Lamb being sent to Israel and fighting in the Yom Kippor war has been scrubbed.
I have Dr. Barker confirming this directly to me in an email.

I started the lawsuit against Barker and the Ontario Government in 1996.
Shortly after the statement of claim was filed I got a midnight call from one of Barkers old patients.
He suggested I should leave Barker alone because he really is a nice guy.

You see
This was one of his useful psychopaths willing to take a great risk to defend his master.

No doubt these two were not the only directed psychopaths.
 
A psychometric test known as MMPI is used by law enforcement and military recruiters.
Ostensibly to weed out psychopaths.
I suggest it's not to eliminate them but to identify and recruit them for special duties.
It's easy to see why a person lacking compassion and conscience would make a better solder.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minnesota_Multiphasic_Personality_Inventory
 
Captain Anatine said:
Is it OK to post a link to my book.
I don't want to break any rules. :D
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That should be okay, if this is the link you are referring to - http://www.thepsychopathmachine.com

Possibility of Being already posted a link to the blog at the same website in the first post in this thread.
 
Captain Anatine said:
Yes
That is the link
Thanks.
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Thank you, Steve. Had watched the documentaries sometime ago and will follow up by checking out you blog site.

A psychometric test known as MMPI is used by law enforcement and military recruiters.
Ostensibly to weed out psychopaths.
I suggest it's not to eliminate them but to identify and recruit them for special duties.
It's easy to see why a person lacking compassion and conscience would make a better solder.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minnesota_Multiphasic_Personality_Inventory
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Yes, thinks so too. Often placed in authority positions for the other to follow their lead.
 
A lot of things about the Oak Ridge program worth discussing.
I'd like to focus on one thing at a time.

First
I can present some evidence that would show the hospital and government
were creating Manchurian Candidates .
Manipulating patients in and turning them loose on the public to study their criminal behavior.

Maybe hard to actually prove my conjecture but I can make a good case.

If I can point to one example it would be Matt Lamb.
If Lamb was brainwashed and turned into a super soldier
it stands to reason there would be others.

In The Psychopath Machine I wrote about Lamb and a few others who were Barkers favorite subjects.
Barkers farm, where Lamb lived after his release was an odd situation to say the least.
Can you imagine inviting a psychopathic killer into your house to live with your wife and daughter?

By this point I'm sure Barker understood there was no cure for psychopathy.
But he was sure he knew how to control him.

I had a lengthy email conversation with Barker in 1996 just before I filed the law suit.
During this exchange I brought up Matt Lamb.
Barker told me he thought Lamb needed the "esprit de corps" of the military.
"So, with his (lambs) Israeli bonds and my encouragement he went to Israel"
where he fought in the Yom kippur war in 1973.


Now this really brings up questions.

.. If Lamb was cured and no longer a danger why would he want to go to war?
His only experience with guns up to this point was to murder two people in cold blood.

... How did he get permission to leave Canada? Passport?
He was under a Lieutenant Governors Warrant.

... Most important. WHY would the Israeli military want him?
A psychopathic killer fresh out of a nut house!

When I was doing research for my book I of course looked up Matt Lamb.

His Wikipedia bio was interesting.
Mostly about his death fighting in the Rhodesian bush war.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mathew_Charles_Lamb

The author of this biography was interesting.
He called himself "Cliftonian" and there was a picture if him in his Israeli Defense Force uniform.
But
There was no mention of Lamb ever going to Israel or joining the IDF.

I contacted Cliftonian and asked him about this.
I never heard back from him but the Wiki page was edited shortly after and it now has a bull shit story
about Lamb hitch hiking to the front lines and being rejected by the IDF.
And Cliftonian is no longer seen in his IDF uniform.

If you watch the "F" Ward video Matt Lamb can be seen talking and acting like a doctor
interviewing another patient.
The former patient who suggested I leave Barker alone in that midnight phone call is siting beside Lamb.

So there you have it.
Mathew Charles Lamb was a diagnosed psychopath.
He got military training in Israel.
Returned to the farm
Then sent to die in Rhodesia.

He was killed by one of his own men by the way.

Manchurian Candidate or not?

Next is Peter Woodcock...
 
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